| Mustang racecar porn - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| 2003specv |
| I like fox body hatches.:thumbup: |
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| Therin |
| Can we say "Body Roll" |
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| 1mns13 |
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Originally posted by Therin
Can we say "Body Roll"
the same way we can say torque and horsepower. |
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| Coconut84 |
| the "american iron" mustang ia my fav model of stang ever! |
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| 86SilverFox |
I gotta say i love the Yellow Steeda hatch.
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Originally posted by Therin
Can we say "Body Roll"
Can you say where? |
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| Markgase2000 |
NOICE!
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I think these babies look right at home in them pic's ;) |
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| RS13 |
is there any high res pics of these. I need a new desktop and these are a little grainy.
But yea a mustang with a roll cage and huge slicks can handle great |
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| SketchifisT |
| Nice post ups, i like properly setup stangs they are quite lovely. Any more pictures would be greatly appreciated |
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| 86lx |
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Originally posted by 86SilverFox
I gotta say i love the Yellow Steeda hatch.
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Originally posted by Therin
Can we say "Body Roll"
Can you say where?
The yellow hatch in the first picture is not a Steeda mustang, it's Maximum Motorsports track car. |
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| sneakyCIVIC |
| just waiting to explode! |
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| Murph |
| the AIX cars are nuts... and i belive they are faster then some SCCA t1 car... |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by Murph
the AIX cars are nuts... and i belive they are faster then some SCCA t1 car...
Definitely some sick cars in that series. :thumbup: |
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| 86SilverFox |
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Originally posted by 86lx
The yellow hatch in the first picture is not a Steeda mustang, it's Maximum Motorsports track car.
i do believe that the car is sponsered by steeda as well. I have seen the car many times in various Steeda adds. |
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| Murph |
Maximum Motorsports is the compatition for Steede, that car has nothing to do with steeda (they make really shitty parts to boot)
www.maximummotorsports.com
vids are there |
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| youngbex |
| i must say, i am not a fan. and that orange coloured mustang has some serious body roll |
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| Insomniac |
^
Import Nuthuggerz Anonymous |
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| Nightstalker |
| I wonder how much wind tunnel work went into that parachute of a wing. |
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| Murph |
Alot actually, they are true Race wings, where they take in L/D ratio's I cant recall the company name but they say it produces 950lbs of downward force at 160.....
i will try and find it for you guys...
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| Nightstalker |
| I guess adding that kind of drag is ok when your making enuff power and have limited options when it comes to creating mechanical grip. Realistically if they had a better suspension design they wouldn't have to resort to something like that. It might be functional but it looks tacky as hell to me. |
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| SilverZ24 |
| ^Better than all the totally useless aluminum ones on all the imports in the city. |
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| Nightstalker |
| There is a reason for a wing on a FWD. But I won't even bother. |
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| mwdguy |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
There is a reason for a wing on a FWD. But I won't even bother.
I'm curious to know. Please go on. |
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| 2003specv |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
There is a reason for a wing on a FWD. But I won't even bother.
Yeah on a race car. Absofuckinglutely useless on a street car. |
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| Nightstalker |
| That is true, unless you live somewhere with really curvy roads and a 150+km/h speed limit. I am not willing to do all the typing to explain why a FWD car can be helped on the race track here. Its wasted on 99% of the people that read the board. I attempted something like that in the pulley tread a while ago only to have someone basically quote me and attempt to say I didn't cover something. I might be willing if the board was more road racing oriented. But its not. |
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| Murph |
| the suspension design on those cars are very nice. They are completely new Tublar K-members, A-arms.. Adjustable coilovers all around and usually a watts link or 3 link set up in the rear... and yes a spoiler on a FWD helps, but really only on a race track, you will notice that when trail braking with cold tires in the rear. |
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| RickJames |
| i was quite shocked when i'd seen a saleen at the namao 2004 autocross hosted by solo(which i'm banned from). NEwayz this stang was schoolin catz left and right, hangin wit the miatas and the s2000s. just pure sickness. THAT EARNED MY RESPECT FOR THE SALEEN STAMP |
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| Nightstalker |
| its likley driver skill making up for lack of car. Unless its the older black one. The guy is a user on this board I just forget his user name. The car is a trailer queen.. and is extreamly quick. |
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| Murph |
| the new saleen is the same owner... And mustangs can be very fast in Solo II go to nationals and you will see that. |
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| Nightstalker |
http://videos.streetfire.net/hottes...A4A920A7B8F.htm
Here is a video of these cars racing.. All I can say, My honda does not get nearly that out of shape.. yes they make way more power and are RWD.. But just looking at this I can tell you that they would get completely owned by a s2000 or 350z at the same level of prep. |
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| bigmack000 |
| manthat vid wasboring |
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| Nightstalker |
| Yes it is.. But you shouldn't expect the mullets to understand how to do real video editing. |
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| bigmack000 |
lol yeah here are some good vids :)
vid 1
vid 2
and tons more here
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| Nightstalker |
| Nice to see the FD is considerably faster. and that he likley did the editing.. so it once again proves my point. |
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| bigmack000 |
| yeha he edits all the vids its what he does for a living lol |
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| Murph |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
http://videos.streetfire.net/hottes...A4A920A7B8F.htm
Here is a video of these cars racing.. All I can say, My honda does not get nearly that out of shape.. yes they make way more power and are RWD.. But just looking at this I can tell you that they would get completely owned by a s2000 or 350z at the same level of prep.
I dont know if you watched Redline TV, where they had a "Time attack" where the fastest car was a GM backed colbalt with a lap time of 1.54 i think. It was on Buttonwillow. The EVO/S2000/STI/FD all very heavily equipped (the FD had 450-500hp and stripped inside) all where runing high 1.50's and low 2mins...
Last season Ernest Roco (AIX champ) ran a 1.53.78 which was the FASTEST LAP EVER on that track at the time. Roco's car is known for being under powered in his class at 440hp and 2500lbs wet with no driver...
But i guess your right Imports are always faster and Domestics have no place on a road course...
Ref:
http://www.speedventures.net/track_records_db.asp
Buttonwillow recorded look at config #1 thats what the layout they ran in AIX
AIX write up on buttonwillow
http://www.theracesite.com/index.cf...m_article=10557 |
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| Nightstalker |
| Well superstreet had a time attack last summer and the AJ-R S2000 won.. Realistically if you have a good enuff driver you can make up for the shortcomings of a car. In my experiance the domestics are always at a disadvantage in the corners.. Usually they make up for it by having shitloads of power and making it up on straights. I can't personally ever remember seeing a domestic car racing in the SCCA runoffs in a class that includes imports and being compedative. The reason, In stock form on a road course domestics are at a disadvantage. |
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| Murph |
Ever watch 24hrs of Lemans or the ALMS the vette is an ass kicker...
And American Iron... where most of the mustang and camaro guys go is NASA not SCCA so thats why you dont see them...
yes most domestics have trouble handling stock... but they can be made into a great car for very cheap... |
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| edmrx7 |
| Murph.. check your PM's. |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by Murph
Ever watch 24hrs of Lemans or the ALMS the vette is an ass kicker...
And American Iron... where most of the mustang and camaro guys go is NASA not SCCA so thats why you dont see them...
yes most domestics have trouble handling stock... but they can be made into a great car for very cheap...
The C5R/C6R are far from stock, they use a coil over suspension vs. the 14th century technology of leaf springs like corvettes do stock. |
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| Insomniac |
| On redline TV the GM Cobalt beat everybody at time attack, LOL. Even tarzan in the chameleon R34 |
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| Murph |
| actually the c6 corvette has double A arms... it uses transverse leaf springs which if you did the research are not use like how you imply... |
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| Murph |
| i was talking about the stock one... |
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| JustinL |
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Originally posted by Murph
i was talking about the stock one...
Why were you talking about the stock ones when trying to correct Nightstalker's post about the C6-R and C5-R?
Nightstalker even mentioned how stock corvettes use leaf springs... so I'm not sure who you were acusing of not doing the research. |
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| Murph |
The stock ones you a compasite transverse leaf spring.. which locates the IRS and acts like a sway bay at the same time allowing GM to run a smaller sway bar, resulting in less weight...
" the 14th century technology of leaf springs like corvettes do stock."
I was talking about that sentence... it works and it works great, also GM did also look into changing that set up but found there is no performance gain from loosing it and will cost more.. |
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| Nightstalker |
| If there was no preformance gain from switching to a coil over setup why would they do it in the C5/C6R. I guess they just did it for fun eh.. because re-engineering a cars suspension system just takes a couple hours with a tape measure.. |
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| Murph |
why doesnt the c6R use the zo6 chassis its way lighter then the stock one... but they dont...
on the c6r i assume they wanted to use a larger sway bar and be able to change it from race to race... and i think with the transverse leaf spring idea thats too much of a hassle so for the simplicty of changing the sway bar in pit lane that might of been an argument to switch to coilovers.
But if you have seen pictures from the c6R's debute you can also see that they have a really funky rear sturt brace that they are not willing to talk about right now... so there are some groovy stuff happening that we dont know about yet. |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by Murph
on the c6r i assume they wanted to use a larger sway bar and be able to change it from race to race... and i think with the transverse leaf spring idea thats too much of a hassle so for the simplicty of changing the sway bar in pit lane that might of been an argument to switch to coilovers.
HA HA HA HA HA... ha.. I seriously can't belive you typed that.. |
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| Fish_e_o |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
HA HA HA HA HA... ha.. I seriously can't belive you typed that..
why???? coilovers can be swaped out easier than a transverse leafspring whatever, would lower weight, and has more tuning capability for different tracks:dunno: |
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| Murph |
If i recall right. The last issue of Racecar engineering they where talking to the pit crew cheif and he was talking about how nice and easy it was to swap the swaybars at the tracks.
But i am done arguing. If you can come up with a legit reason as to why a mustang canot handle i might respond. |
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| Nightstalker |
I would put down money that says the real reason for going to a coilover setup on the C*R cars has to do with ride hight and better control of spring rates. Pretty much all race series that use factory cars as a base limit changed is suspension geometry. Thats aside, I don't think I have seen a single car have a sway bar swapped during a race.. Not even in a enduro.
A car like a civic will always have a handeling advantage over a mustang for 2 reasons. Its lighter, and it has full independant suspension. Since the mustangs are using a system that links the whole rear end of the car together extreamly stiff suspension setups end up unloading the inside rear under braking going into a corner. You can see the same thing in a car like a Spec-V its pretty common to see a rear wheel a couple inches up in the air completely stopped. This does two things, first of all the car can't use the grip created by that tire, and secondly when the tire comes back down, if the driver is still on the brakes it can upset the balance of the car because the wheel will remain locked.. |
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| Murph |
| First of mustang cobra's have IRS. Second any vehicle will unload the inside rear tire when cornering thats just vehicle dynamics. Any race i have ever been in to, (Vancouver/Edmonton/Red deer/Calgary ) i have never seen a a mustang three wheel. Finally a prepped mustang can weigh in at 2500 wet... so they are not all that heavy. I know of street cars with full interior that are 2900-2800lbs with roughly 260-280 RWHP. |
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| Nightstalker |
| Well i was not aware that the cobras had full independant rears.. It makes me wonder why my NA civic which is 2200 pounds and has about 160FWHP.. can completely tool a supercharged cobra in the corners on a road course and still manage to not really loose out on the straights. |
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| Murph |
The amount of mustang owners that like to go around corners are very far and few between but they can be very very fast and competitive just look at that AIX car holding the record on Buttonwillow.
Are you competing in any organized race events this year? |
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| Fish_e_o |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
I would put down money that says the real reason for going to a coilover setup on the C*R cars has to do with ride hight and better control of spring rates. Pretty much all race series that use factory cars as a base limit changed is suspension geometry. Thats aside, I don't think I have seen a single car have a sway bar swapped during a race.. Not even in a enduro.
A car like a civic will always have a handeling advantage over a mustang for 2 reasons. Its lighter, and it has full independant suspension. Since the mustangs are using a system that links the whole rear end of the car together extreamly stiff suspension setups end up unloading the inside rear under braking going into a corner. You can see the same thing in a car like a Spec-V its pretty common to see a rear wheel a couple inches up in the air completely stopped. This does two things, first of all the car can't use the grip created by that tire, and secondly when the tire comes back down, if the driver is still on the brakes it can upset the balance of the car because the wheel will remain locked..
i would swap sway bars from race to race... for example a tight auto-x i would want a very stiff one and road course one thats not as stiff... actaully you can but adjustalbe sway bars for just that reason..
also my neon has full independant suspension and it will unload if you brake at the wrong time too... it also lifts one tire up in the rear (more so when i had stock springs) on a hard corner, (actaully i have a nice video of it lifting what looks to be about 6") it's never hurt me once because i brake before the corner and then i'm on the power through the turn... i would expect the cobra has a lsd so it would be just fine for stablity.. even if it did lift, i didn't think they were that short..
also i'm not suprised that the civic does ok (does it have a lsd?)
160 is what i have right now in my neon that weighs the same i expect to slaughter with it and my new motor should desimate...
the last time i raced i had 140ish and i had no problem with some porsches |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
It makes me wonder why my NA civic which is 2200 pounds and has about 160FWHP.. can completely tool a supercharged cobra in the corners on a road course and still manage to not really loose out on the straights.
1) Driver.
2) Carrying on momentum is faster than acceleration.
I think there's a certain Saleen in Edmonton that does pretty well at the autocrosses, so I wouldn't doubt the abilities of a Mustang in corners if that is the case. |
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| RaGingAngeL |
Some interesting comments and discussion to say the least.....
Some people need to read a bit further as to why the Cobalt took top honors in the Time Attack.
It was prepped with virtually no limit on the budget, had wuts his face champion driving it who is likely a far better driver than that monkey Tarzan.... They pulled out all stops and put in NOS....and we all know during the F&F years that's FTW!!!
Inescapably there will always be comparisons and questioning from both sides of the pond with no end in the debate....
It's really fun to talk about sometimes, but lets go out there and get some data behind the wheel of said respective cars and reconvene. :) |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by RaGingAngeL
Some interesting comments and discussion to say the least.....
Some people need to read a bit further as to why the Cobalt took top honors in the Time Attack.
Agreed. If you look at the way that GM has been pushing the cobalt and redline with factory support its hard for others to keep up. If you look at the car that GM built for the street tuner challange which might have been the same car they used in the time attack they actaully went as far as replacing the roof with carbon fiber. The reason that the cobalt and redline dominate the turbo fwd class in drag racing right now has everything to do with factory support IMO.
Terry don't make observations like driver I would rather just think that mustangs suck. Honda 4 Life yo. |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
Terry don't make observations like driver I would rather just think that mustangs suck. Honda 4 Life yo.
LOL just trying to broader your horizon ;) |
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| Nightstalker |
| I was driving I am pretty sure it didn't have much to do with driver. I have no idea what I am doing. The mustang should have at least twice the power of my car and its RWD.. |
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