| CanadianR |
| I'm just wanting everyones thought's on this subject. Yes, there will be no less than three shops in Edmonton with working Dynamometers by this spring. First some info about each:Stew's Dyno opened last summer towards the end of summer, he is running a portable Mustang Dyno. Apex Modified i believe opened this weekend and they are running the oh-so--common Dynojet 248C. Lastly, PE Tuning Group will be opening sometime before spring and they are running a Dynapak dyno. All three are good, reliable machines, each has their advantages and disadvantages, but all will provide an excellent tool for tuning, although if you ran your car on each you'd probably get 3 different peak hp and tq numbers. I won't get into the differences between the dynos here unless someone wants to know more about them. I just want to know whether you think there is enough business for all three of them and if tou plan on using a dyno sometime over spring/summer who you think you would go to. |
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| 4kruzn |
| i actually plan on spending a day or even two on the dynos this summer but you are fooling yourself if you think that there are only three in the city. try 6 or 8! of corse not all at tuner shops but dynos nun the less.... :wacko: |
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| Xx D-MAN xX |
I think more the merrier! Whether or not there is enough business to support them all, atleast there will be more options on who to go to.
If I get all my mod's purchased & installed this year (i/h/e/p/vafc), personally I'll be going to PE Tuning Group. |
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| CanadianR |
| 6 or 8? I seriusly doubt that. The only non-tuner dyno i know of is at a Dodge dealership, and besides they don't count anyway because no one is going to tune their car there.D-Man, is there any specific reason that you would chose the PE Group? Just curious. |
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| JDC™ |
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Originally posted by CanadianR@Mar 8 2003, 12:39 PM
6 or 8? I seriusly doubt that. The only non-tuner dyno i know of is at a Dodge dealership, and besides they don't count anyway because no one is going to tune their car there.
why not? I know a bunch of guys that have used that dyno to tune. |
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| 4kruzn |
| like i said not all are at tuner shops but there are more than you think out there. for ex. derrik dodge, auo exchange house, forget the name but there is one near downtown at a shop that has been in ed for 20 years, and there are more than one of the large truck dealers that have them too. then place that services the hino trucks has one. im sure one more will be welcome. |
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| ManHunter |
downtown shop with dyno is loveseth.
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| RF134A |
I think that if you depend on the dyno to bring in 100% of your cash flow or even up to 50% of your cash flow, you will be bankrupt in a year. How many people will actually line up to have their car dynoed? Not very many. That's why Auto Exchange House and several other places can have one and still stay in business. It's not their main source of income.
With all these "tuner" shops opening up, the market is being crowded with semi-knowledgeable people hoping to make a quick buck off the FnF craze. The one who treats people the best and has the most knowledgeable staff will win out. Unfortunately, that may mean the closure of one or more shops. |
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| redbaron303 |
PE Tuning group... James C I think is partial partner in the edmonton operation.... that man knows his cars... especially hondas and darcy has a honda so that's probably why hes going there?!
I would deffinatly trust James... maybe we could get dyno days at each place and see how they all compare for use not so technical people that only see the #'s.... If there is a variance I wouldn't mind seeing how much my car would vary by! |
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by CanadianR@Mar 8 2003, 01:39 PM
6 or 8? I seriusly doubt that. The only non-tuner dyno i know of is at a Dodge dealership, and besides they don't count anyway because no one is going to tune their car there.D-Man, is there any specific reason that you would chose the PE Group? Just curious.
well believe it or not the Edmonton Police Service has a dyno in their garage at the downtown headquarters building..... :bow: :D
don't call BS cause I have seen it on many occasions
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| Xx D-MAN xX |
Why I'd go to PE Tuning Group is for several reasons.
One, James is a partner who knows hondas, preludes and H22A engines. All of which I have.
Two, they will be an affiliate vendor in which the EPC will hopefully get a discount on dyno runs.
Three, James is a friend, as well as, a member of the EPC so I'm more than willing to show my support by going to them. |
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| WookeysRX7 |
| Hi-Tech has a dyno too. Buts its only a motor dyno. I remember when i was in high school we took the schools race car engine there.... 620HP...... but yeah...there are more dynos then people think... :bigthumbup: |
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| ChromeDragon |
I know of at least 20 dynos in shops in this city, of course you need at least 1000lb/ft of torque to get any reliable numbers out of them.
Chromey |
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| Focus Guy |
| in my opinion a for one or two of the new shops will close up before year end, it sucks to say it but thats biss. Any "new" market will boom hard then settle and stay the same . |
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| dogstar |
| a few years back they even had a dyno in nait, so theyre out there. |
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| prophet_ca |
| How many of them have wideband tuning... damn i didn't know there was so much dyno's |
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| CanadianR |
| All three of the new shops have the ability to run wideband O2. Don't know about any of these other shops in the city, whether can do or not. I personally also don't think all three of them will be able to last, there are many people who say they are really interested but then will never go and use the service. I've heard alot of people complain when they hear how much it costs- too expensive- but it's really not very expensive when compared to the price of good parts. Of course it could get expensive if you dynoed the car every time you added one new part. I must say i am quite amazed to hear of all these dynos right here in the city. |
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| Spike7ss |
| I was wondering if anyone knows average cost for a run on the dyno? :dunno: :dunno: |
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| prophet_ca |
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Originally posted by prophet_ca@Mar 8 2003, 05:01 PM
All three of the new shops have the ability to run wideband O2. Don't know about any of these other shops in the city, whether can do or not. I personally also don't think all three of them will be able to last, there are many people who say they are really interested but then will never go and use the service. I've heard alot of people complain when they hear how much it costs- too expensive- but it's really not very expensive when compared to the price of good parts. Of course it could get expensive if you dynoed the car every time you added one new part. I must say i am quite amazed to hear of all these dynos right here in the city.
Well if i ever get my car done.. im going to apex, i think everyone else should too :D |
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| Xx D-MAN xX |
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Originally posted by Spike7ss@Mar 8 2003, 05:54 PM
I was wondering if anyone knows average cost for a run on the dyno? :dunno: :dunno:
It all depends. Check the thread posted by Apex. $150 for a couple of runs rings a bell. |
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| scooby_dooby |
ya, I'd rather drive to Calgary where you can get an hour for $75.
It's is expensive here. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| I thought the Apex dude had mentioned like 40-50 for 2 passes. |
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| v8slayer |
Man I can't believe how everyone always says I didn't buy or lease the AWD dyno because it was 50,000 more.
Instead they get another two wheel dyno so they can split the customers 20 ways instead of 19 ways. WHAT A BUNCH OF KNOBS........................
Why would you not tap into a whole brand new market which includes western Canada and the upper west States and make the bling bling.
Think of it this way: 2 wheel Dyno's are in every city meaning you'll only get at best 1/5 of the 2 wheel business in Edmonton alone. Fast way to go broke!!!!!!
An AWD dyno would be the only one in western Canada and upper west States meaning you would get 1/5 of the 2 wheel business in Edmonton and 100% of the AWD business for western Canada and the upper west States.
That 50,000 would be minor to claim that market.
Even if you only get 50% of the all wheel drive market its still more than 20% of the 2 wheel drive market the way AWD sales are going.
With a couple good mag ads and some good word of mouth the business would take off.
Not likley the same results with a generic 2 WD dyno.
What I can't figure is with all the new AWD HP cars comming out why anyone would drop the ball on this. Also my last count was 50 tuned DSM's in town and at least half that in Subies.
When you do the math what the fuck is 50,000!! :wtf: |
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| Loose |
Keep in mind guys that most of the dynos in town are crappy water brake ones that are useless compared to Mustang, Dynojet, and Dynapack.
As for 4 wheel dynos, I think the Dynopack would be the best for a shop. It's just 2 extra wheel mounts. With Edmonton's expensive dyno rates, I think purchasing a wideband and data logging software may be the best idea.
Calling Toma: any opinions? |
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| Inzane |
Of the three you mentioned, I'd probably give my business to the one with the Dynojet (provided they have wideband).
I don't care which of the three give more conservative numbers, etc. Its about comparing apples to apples. Most of the dyno sheets/numbers I read about in the various tuner magazines come from Dynojets. And 90%+ of owners with similar cars to mine that I know down in the States use Dynojets to get their numbers.
But price will still be a factor of course. There are at least two Dynojet facilities that I know of in Calgary that I'd be willing to give my business to, depending on pricing. |
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| SilverZ24 |
| I will be going to Apex simply because the first 2 times I went for dyno's on my car I went to Davenport in Calgary. I want to be able to compare my #'s so I will stick with the dynojet dyno's. I might make it around to the other ones this summer though just to compare. :) |
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| 1mns13 |
| I too would like to try a DynoJet again, I was at Davenport a few years ago. I think they can all survive based on thier merits of thier service. All of them are new to dyno tuning which will allow the smart tuners to come out ahead. I wish them all success. The Dynapack intrigues me because of no rollers. Great point, Roger, are you saying that you've got the dough for an AWD dyno and are ready to show everybody the error of thier ways? |
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| redbaron303 |
Congrats on the baby man... :)
:bigthumbup:
\And I also have to agree than any untapped marktet can be a good market if entered right! |
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| CanadianR |
While i agree that getting an AWD dyno would be getting into an untapped market i believe that you're talking about alot of extra money to be banking on the extra bisiness that people with AWD cars will provide. I know Stewart is into his dyno and truck to move it around about $100k and a dynapak machine is worth even more than that,( i think the Dynojets are a little cheaper to purchase than the other two). In talking with both Stew and James, it seems to me that it would be alot more money to get an AWD dyno. I belive James said it would have cost another $80-$90k to get an AWD dynapak and Stewart told me it would have cost him almost double what he paid to get one. That's alot of money when you're banking on bringing in enough business to be able to pay for the thing. Yes, there are a good number of AWD cars out there, but they pale in comparison to the number of RWD and FWD cars out there. You don't really think that the 50 DSM's and 50 Subaru's in the city are enough to support the extra cash spent on the dyno do you? And how many of them would actually use the dyno at all if more than once? And as for getting all the business in Western Canada, very few people are going to make a really long trip just to throw their car on a dyno, so really for the most part only people from around Alberta would probably use the AWD dyno. And there is already an AWD dyno in BC. As for people saying it's really expensive to use dyno's here that's a bunch of crap. How little do you think people can charge for a dyno run and still make enough money to stay in business. These guys are charging $50-80 for two dyno runs and around $120-150 an hour for unlimited runs with wideband O2 monitoring. The Americans Stew bought his dyno from
were charging signifigantly more than this, and that was in USD!! If you're at the point where you need to tune your car on a dyno for a couple of hours, chances are you've put WAY more money into your car than the $200-$300 or so it would cost to tune it so i don't think the serious people are the ones bitching about prices. If you think spending $2-300 to tune your car is outrageous then chances are you don't need to tune your car anyway, because you haven't done enough to it to find enough benefit from dyno tuning it anyway. |
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| 1mns13 |
| Glad the baby and mother are healthy. Looks like your buying your own dyno or shipping the car to a 4wd dyno. I hope you can turn the expense into investment. Nobody else thought they could. The market will only get bigger with Lancer EVO's. |
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| JDMJOSH |
| Way too many "performace" shops opening up lately. I'm more worried about their expertise when it comes to installation, rebuilding etc. Take a look at E-Z, most people wouldn't take their car there to get an air filter installed |
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| THEONE |
| AWD dyno!!!! :bow: :fingersx: :bigthumbup: |
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| THEONE |
| Congrats agian Rog! :D |
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| scooby_dooby |
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Originally posted by CanadianR@Mar 9 2003, 04:41 PM
As for people saying it's really expensive to use dyno's here that's a bunch of crap. How little do you think people can charge for a dyno run and still make enough money to stay in business. These guys are charging $50-80 for two dyno runs and around $120-150 an hour for unlimited runs with wideband O2 monitoring.
just sayin that when you can goto Calgary and get an hour for $85, $120 seems a little steep.
http://www.dynomotive.ca/ |
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| redbaron303 |
| Still, everyone seems to forget about the whole driving to and from calgary bit, for an hours dyno... its not a bad deal if you're going to Calgary anyhow, but if you have to go there for one of of dyno tuning, seems cheaper to pay the extra and stay here, saves on the 6hoursish of driving... ;D |
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| CanadianR |
I just contacted dynomotive and was surprised to find out that that hourly price includes wideband o2. I don't think it's so much that it's expensive here as it's incredibly cheap there, that's SUPER cheap, but i bet if you told these guys here what dynomotive charges they would give you a deal, maybe still not that cheap. There's also the 6 hour round trip to Calgary and the $20-$30 in gas each way.
I have to agree about there being way to many "performance" shops around here opening up. I don't think i would trust my car to many of these shops new or old. My buddy took his WRX to a certain shop downtown to get an up-pipe installed. He assumed that because the owner has a WRX wagon with lots of mods that the guy would do a good job. But the guy was adamant that new gaskets wouldn't be needed even after my friend insisted that he use them. Anyways the guy installed the up-pipe and of course there was a leak. So my friend took it back and this guy insisted there was no leak even though the car sounded like crap and you could clearly smell exhaust in the car. In the end he had to take it to Rally Subaru so it could be installed properly. So he ended up paying for the install twice! And this guy downtown has been around for a while and should know what he's doing. |
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by THEONE@Mar 9 2003, 08:11 PM
AWD dyno!!!! :bow: :fingersx: :bigthumbup:
no shit.....what are us subaru drivers supposed to do??? and AWD would be great even for the NA guys just to see what kinds "power" we are putting through
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| kracka99 |
| ahem eeh ummm RACING ZONE humm no good :thumbsdown: |
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| REFLUX |
apples to apples, if you've used dynojet then stick w/ it
but i would think that the most accurate dyno to TUNE with would be the dynamat
it also has the advantage of no tire noise so if you want to listen to your engine for any certain noises, there won't be as much background racket
IMO:
dynamat = more 4 tuning
dynojet = more 4 gettin whp #'s
but in the end, it's all about the price & wideband-aid
(ha-ha, get it? band-aid? wideband AIDS in tuning? HA-HA-HA) |
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| 1mns13 |
| Can you explain what a dynamat dyno is, or were you thinking of Dynopack? |
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| talont |
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Originally posted by CanadianR@Mar 10 2003, 09:39 AM
My buddy took his WRX to a certain shop downtown to get an up-pipe installed. Anyways the guy installed the up-pipe and of course there was a leak. So my friend took it back and this guy insisted there was no leak even though the car sounded like crap and you could clearly smell exhaust in the car.
I dont see the relation between the up-pipe (whatever that is) and an exaust leak.
is this up-pipe you refere to intercooler piping? (cant see there being an ehaust leak) :blink:
or perhaps the down pipe? (could definatly be an ehaust leak) :blink: |
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| Loose |
The WRX have multiple cat's, and an aftermarket up-pipe replaces the first catalyst.
I think having three dyno's in town is good so that there is a bit of competition, but I don't think we can sustain all of them for very long. |
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| CanadianR |
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Originally posted by Loose@Mar 12 2003, 06:38 AM
The WRX have multiple cat's, and an aftermarket up-pipe replaces the first catalyst.
Loose is correct. There are no less than three catalytic converters in a stock WRX's exhaust system. And yes, there definately was an exhaust leak, the tech at Rally Subaru even said there was when he inspected the car. By the way, Rally Subaru was great, the tech really knew his stuff, they actually charged less than Racing Zone charged, and the dealership is very aftermarket friendly. Plus, it's nice to know that a qualified tech is doing the work, not some guy who says he's qualified. Any of you guys with Scoobies out there give them a try. |
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| kracka99 |
| What Canadian said!! :bigthumbup: |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by 1mns13@Mar 11 2003, 07:10 PM
Can you explain what a dynamat dyno is, or were you thinking of Dynopack?
:D You mean you haven't heard? Dynamat, of car audio noise suppression fame, is taking the power tuning world by storm! Their Dyno's are extremely quiet, allowing you to hear every noise from your machine. :bigthumbup: |
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| redbaron303 |
| Pearly, are you serious?! Or just joking?!.... That's cool if you are.... |
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| Pro Drag |
| If you have to ask..... :D |
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| redbaron303 |
| Yes.... it just sounds odd to call it a dynamat dyno... Those things are loud and it's claimed this one is ultra quiet?! That would be a good... I could then hear me blow something up in my car! |
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| REFLUX |
AHHAHA
sorry guys, DYNOPACK
:bow: to the nitpickers |
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| redbaron303 |
| Thanks for screwing with my mind Terry... |
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| dazed&confused |
quote:
Originally posted by CanadianR@Mar 9 2003, 04:41 PM
While i agree that getting an AWD dyno would be getting into an untapped market i believe that you're talking about alot of extra money to be banking on the extra bisiness that people with AWD cars will provide. I know Stewart is into his dyno and truck to move it around about $100k and a dynapak machine is worth even more than that,( i think the Dynojets are a little cheaper to purchase than the other two). In talking with both Stew and James, it seems to me that it would be alot more money to get an AWD dyno. I belive James said it would have cost another $80-$90k to get an AWD dynapak and Stewart told me it would have cost him almost double what he paid to get one. That's alot of money when you're banking on bringing in enough business to be able to pay for the thing. Yes, there are a good number of AWD cars out there, but they pale in comparison to the number of RWD and FWD cars out there. You don't really think that the 50 DSM's and 50 Subaru's in the city are enough to support the extra cash spent on the dyno do you? And how many of them would actually use the dyno at all if more than once? And as for getting all the business in Western Canada, very few people are going to make a really long trip just to throw their car on a dyno, so really for the most part only people from around Alberta would probably use the AWD dyno. And there is already an AWD dyno in BC. As for people saying it's really expensive to use dyno's here that's a bunch of crap. How little do you think people can charge for a dyno run and still make enough money to stay in business. These guys are charging $50-80 for two dyno runs and around $120-150 an hour for unlimited runs with wideband O2 monitoring. The Americans Stew bought his dyno from
were charging signifigantly more than this, and that was in USD!! If you're at the point where you need to tune your car on a dyno for a couple of hours, chances are you've put WAY more money into your car than the $200-$300 or so it would cost to tune it so i don't think the serious people are the ones bitching about prices. If you think spending $2-300 to tune your car is outrageous then chances are you don't need to tune your car anyway, because you haven't done enough to it to find enough benefit from dyno tuning it anyway.
Does anyone know if PE got the AWD Dynopak. The one that I was looking at was a really nice piece ( http://www.dynopak.com/ ). They would definately be opening up to a whole new market, although as you said, it is considerably more. |
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| CanadianR |
| PE Tuning Bought a two wheel drive dyno, James said an AWD was too expensive. |
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| 98Luder |
April or early May, we want to be full prepared before we actually open our doors to the public. We will be doing demonstations to ppl in the industry prior to public opening. Oh yes, we will not have a 4wd dyno at this point in the game.
We did chose the dynapack because we feel it is more accurate for tuning. That is why TRD USA/Apexi USA/DCsports/Fmax turbo/Amuse Japan/and some of the Nascar teams(to name a few) use it for their R&D. No wheel slip limits variables when tuning. Consistancy, we feel is the key to any type of dyno tuning. Once other factors come to play during tuning it is hard to properly measure gains/losses. You can give us a call late April or May and we should have more info on our facilities, and where our office will be located. We just want to be ready when we are open. Nothings worse that opening up and the shop and ppl working there are all halfass. |
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| v8slayer |
Dyno packs are great because you get to take off your rims and tires meaning you drop 30-60 lb's of rotating mass.
This will give you a HP increase right away.
Other dyno's require you to keep them on and spin that extra weight and road friction.
I'll try and find the artical where a Honda had 52 more HP on the Dyno pack than he did on the Dyno jet the same day.
Remember every pound of rotating mass off a crank = 2.7 BHP.
Wheels are even larger in diameter so mabe even more.
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/ultras.html
There are 3 styles of dyno's:
Crank shaft stand dyno= BHP
Hub drive dyno's= WHP+BHP/2 (approx) (Dyno pack)
Wheel dyno's=WHP (real world dyno and the industry standard)(dyno jet & mustang.........)
Make your choice Bragging rights or real world.
Does the dyno pack have variable load for cell tuning.
If it did that would be the bomb as it would simulate road load and make tuning more accurate. :bigthumbup: |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| W/O reading all these posts.. cause i'm THAT lazy can someone tell me who has the car dyno (sorry don't know the proper name) like Stew's? I know of a few engine dyno's but that's a hassle! Anyone have prices? |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| WOW 0-60 and 1/4 mile too the list of running tests is quite impressive I'm there ;) |
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| 98Luder |
yes dynapack can do variable load tuning(part throttle).
For tuning on a dyno the numbers are important, but having high or low numbers may not necessarily be the most important thing. Consistancy is the most important.
I could have 50hp, 100hp or 500hp, but that's not the whole point. If it is jumping around from things caused by tire pressure or from tire slip numbers, this can throw off numbers. When tuning for percise figures it is handy to use a dynapack just because of the consistancy and sensitivity of it, not to mention less varaibles to skew your numbers.
If your doing baseline runs or you want to just find actual hp to the ground the dynojet would be better to go with.
Basically i think the dynojet is a good hp mearsuring device and the dynapack is a good tuning device. |
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| 98Luder |
the car/chassis dynos in the city are:
Engine exchange
Derrick Dodge
Loveseth's i think has one
There's a Semi one on the westside not sure, that's a full industrial size one
Stew's dyno
Apex
and PE tuning
Not sure of their prices you'd have to call each of the shop?
Good luck, this summer sounds fun :) |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by 98Luder@Mar 18 2003, 09:25 PM
Engine exchange
If that's the one I'm thinking of, that guy is a major loser, his machine is WAAAYYY out to lunch, and he doesn't have the first clue what various cars are even SUPPOSED to be able to put down.
(but I'm not sure if thats the same guy or not) |
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| 98Luder |
Yea i've heard bad news about the guy at engine exchange, what can you do i guess...
hopefully things will get better in Edmonton, i'm sure they will, in time. |
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| SilverZ24 |
Some of those dyno's like Engine Exchange, Derrick Dodge, and Loveseth are the ones that have two rollers and they are not fwd friendly, especially if you are lowered.
I went to Engine Exhange last summer and we drove my car right onto the first roller, but we would have had to remove the front bumper and side skirts to get it completely on and strap it down.
So to me there is only 3 real dyno's in the city. I hope they all end up successful and I think each will have some loyal customers. :) |
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| 98Luder |
Heh, yea i suppose that could cause some serious problems.
I suppose if a car is to low and can not be jaked up a little, it would be difficult for both a dynojet(inground) to tie it down and difficult to take the wheels off for the dynapack. Heh, i'd suspect this person would have quite a lot of difficulty to drive around the city for sure :)
Mustang dyno may also have a problem if the car is SUPER low because of the inclined ramp you have to drive onto/backup onto. I guess blocks could help in this case if necessary.
Either way your right SilverZ24, the 3listed shops are the only ones that are dynos designated for tuning. I'm bias towards the Dynapack because it seems to make sense to me to try to keep variables constant during tuning. However, i will always "try" to take an objective look, like all things in life. Is there a location of these shops? I'm just curious, i'd like to check them out in the spring/summer. Is V8less going to have a tour of the dynoshops? That'd be kinda cool :) They did one last year at Stews, that was pretty cool. Too bad it was so cold |
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| SilverZ24 |
| I know Apex is on Parsons Road (99st) just south of 34th ave. I will be going there to use their dynojet just because my baseline dyno's before my supercharger was installed was at Davenport in Calgary on their dynojet. I just want to compare apples to apples. Money and time permitting, I might visit the other dyno's in the city to get some different #'s and see how they all compare. :) |
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| 98Luder |
Hey SilverZ24, i was always curious. If you dyno in Calgary and dyno here would elevation effect your dyno numbers just because of the air? Heh, i suppose this comes into tuning variables like i said before, keeping things constant is good.
however, i have heard that dynos usually correct for these variables. Do you know or have you thought about this? |
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| SilverZ24 |
That is a concern of mine. I've heard they correct for it, but I'm still not sure. I actually might have a dyno done at Apex and Davenport just to compare.
Damn, so many dyno's, so little time! :D |
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| Tsunami |
well, I had to jump in on this one. All I can say is that I am happy that we finally have a direct(brake) mount dyno. I know it wont make much difference on lower hp cars, but when you are running big numbers and you have an additional power booster such as NOS or a larger turbo you tend to get extra wheelspin when either is added.
Has the address been posted for PE tuning? When will pricing be available? |
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| 98Luder |
Heh, more lke so many dyno's so little money heh.
I'm not sure what the prices are with thoes guys or their location. i will try to get a hold of the PE tuning guys today. Matrix motorsports has some sort of relations with them. They usually give me updates on those guys. I usually just talk to Milan about it, he seems to know what's going on there. |
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| Tsunami |
ok, thats cool... I really wanna get my 240 dyno'd now that I have the SR swap... I wanna see where my baseline is before I start modding.
Any info on pricing would be cool as well as any discounts for multiple runs or group runs. A location would be nice too.
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by 98Luder@Mar 19 2003, 08:33 AM
If you dyno in Calgary and dyno here would elevation effect your dyno numbers
however, i have heard that dynos usually correct for these variables.
Yes absolutely elevation would affect your dyno numbers.
However I think when you get your print-outs they can supply your raw numbers and the corrected numbers.
I've also heard that some people question the accuracy of the correction factors.
*shrug*
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| Dr. Lightspeed |
| Onwning a dyno is one thing knowing how to properly run it is another. Knowing how to tune is even more important. A good tuner can tune without a dyno but give that guy a dyno and look out. Everyone thinks their tuner is the best until they meet the next best guy so who is the best that remains to be seen. The best is quite often the least known. |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by 98Luder@Mar 18 2003, 10:04 PM
yes dynapack can do variable load tuning(part throttle)._
For tuning on a dyno the numbers are important, but having high or low numbers may not necessarily be the most important thing._ Consistancy is the most important._
I could have 50hp, 100hp or 500hp, but that's not the whole point._ If it is jumping around from things caused by tire pressure or from tire slip numbers, this can throw off numbers._ When tuning for percise figures it is handy to use a dynapack just because of the consistancy and sensitivity of it, not to mention less varaibles to skew your numbers._
If your doing baseline runs or you want to just find actual hp to the ground the dynojet would be better to go with._
Basically i think the dynojet is a good hp mearsuring device and the dynapack is a good tuning device.
He bud , you hit the nail right on the head.
I will need load based tuning very soon as it seems everyone that tunes on a dyno jet without load control ends up adding fuel later anyways do to EGT's that climb under road load compared to dyno load.
Whats the point of tuning on a dyno if you just go and retune on the way home from the dyno!
You just need to get two more hydrostatic units for us AWD guys!
Unless you include slipping a viscous lock in and removing our transfer cases with in the standard dyno fee. :bigthumbup: |
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| v8slayer |
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Originally posted by Dr. Lightspeed@Mar 30 2003, 05:08 PM
Onwning a dyno is one thing knowing how to properly run it is another. Knowing how to tune is even more important. A good tuner can tune without a dyno but give that guy a dyno and look out. Everyone thinks their tuner is the best until they meet the next best guy so who is the best that remains to be seen. The best is quite often the least known.
Ya right like I'm going to let anyone tune my fucking car.
Last year everyone told me you couldn't run a T4 60-1 stage V at 32 PSI on a small rod 4G63 with out shit happening. Tis Tis.
I actually would like to hear all you new dyno owners thoughts on correct A/FR's , timing vs load peak curves and how do you tell why you have knock and how to correct it.(there are many reasons for knock)
If you get good grades with these VERY simple questions we can then address the various types of knock control such as m/s of retard over RPM's.
Also other things like % of A/FR's versus ambient temp and water temp.
Who would like to show their expertise at tuning first?
I'm sure you guys that spent 100,000's on dynos' will have all the answers at hand and not off of the net!
Not to sound like a prick but I don't want to hear about engines melting down on dyno's by some shop owner with more money than education. No what I mean!
We all have worked hard to build our cars!
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| stealth |
| ha my school has a dyno (M.E. LaZerte) but its gay u have to take ur engine out and hook it up, and i think the fucken gauge dont work so its a POS. |
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| Loose |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Mar 30 2003, 04:39 PM
You just need to get two more hydrostatic units for us AWD guys!
Unless you include slipping a viscous lock in and removing our transfer cases with in the standard dyno fee. :bigthumbup:
Why don't you hook the Sebring up to the Talon and have someone ride in it:
V8Slayer: "Dude I need more load"
Buddy: "I'm pushing on the brakes as hard as I can!!"
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| v8slayer |
| OK , I have the worse cold of my life and you still made me laugh. :bigthumbup: :bow: |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by v8slayer@Mar 31 2003, 05:28 PM
OK , I have the worse cold of my life and you still made me laugh. :bigthumbup: :bow:
MORPHINE!!!!! |
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