| mattEG |
quote:
Originally posted by 180sxforthewin
I think that we could help save him money by telling him not to. Seriously man dont upgrade civics. Not worth it.
WTF? Thats why near stock civics kick the crap out of the Nissan's that show up at the NECC auto-x events, right? |
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| Nightstalker |
| Ha ha ha.. Ya well I can't say its only the cars causing the slow times at the NECC events.. |
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| Soulfly |
quote:
Originally posted by 180sxforthewin
I think that we could help save him money by telling him not to. Seriously man dont upgrade civics. Not worth it.
bahahaha.... |
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| SRBURG13 |
quote:
Originally posted by mattEG
WTF? Thats why near stock civics kick the crap out of the Nissan's that show up at the NECC auto-x events, right?
I'm sorry, but please elaborate on this "near stock" civic. You mean the one TypeR with the driver with the most experience out of all of us? Right.
We've had two civics show up to our second event and none the first, and they got 16th and 18th place. Oh ya, there were two CRX's that got 2nd and 3rd last place.
Boy oh Boy, look how badly we had the crap kicked out of us. Please know what you are talking about before you speak.
And to keep it on topic, no, my opinion is not to bother with that engine, save up the pennies. Like Nightstalker said, too much hassle. |
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| nissanz32 |
I fail to see where this civic destroyed anyone whatsoever.
1 Shane Trenholm Acura Integra Type R 1.11.62
2 Flavio Diogo Nissan 240sx 1.12.43
3 Charles Onuoha Toyota Matrix 1.15.19
4 Jesse Nebo BMW 325i 1.16.58
5 Rob Clanachan Nissan 240sx 1.17.10
6 Andew Kwok Subaru WRX 1.17.41
7 Jason Ramcharan Mitsubishi Lancer 1.18.15
8 Kent Pylypa Nissan 240sx 1.18.33
9 Paulo Ochieng Mazda MX-6 1.18.35
10 Alex Espinoza Porsche 944 1.18.42
11 Justin Lewicke Porsche 944 1.18.54
12 Ryan Nissan 350Z 1.18.57
13 Dave Myers Nissan Skyline GT-R 1.18.61
14 Jamie Willey Nissan 240sx 1.19.89
15 Dave Clark Nissan 240sx 1.20.75
16 Dominic Knight Honda Civic 1.21.15
17 Chris Hammond Nissan 240sx 1.21.31
B]18 Davor Karacic Honda Civic 1.22.54 [/B]
19 Dave Keller Nissan Skyline GT-R 1.23.41
20 Pat Chan BMW M3 1.24.21
21 Nigel Brown Toyota Celica 1.25.29
[22 Joel McAnally Honda CRX 1.27.47
23 Mickey Sidhu Honda CRX 1.28.76
24 Tawheed Sadiq Nissan 300ZX 1.39.24 |
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| Soulfly |
quote:
Originally posted by nissanz32
1 Shane Trenholm Acura Integra Type R 1.11.62
3 Charles Onuoha Toyota Matrix 1.15.19
16 Dominic Knight Honda Civic 1.21.15
I just wanted to point this out...
A Matrix Beat the fastest Civic...
HMM? Civic's can Turn.. But can't go straight Fast.. :P |
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| Nightstalker |
| The track was pretty open.. if the corners were closed in it would have been a lot worse for the nissans. You guys did intentionally leave it pretty open. Still, when a civic is only running 3 seconds slower then a skyline or 350z there are issues. Both those cars have well over double the power. Also I would have thought the lancer would have been faster considering the guy had R compounds on his car. |
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| SRBURG13 |
| You're right, but when the guy in the skyline or the 350z has never even seen a track before, they can have all the horsepower they want, they still wouldn't do any better. |
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| MyGTR |
Sorry to continue off topic but... :drama:
The track was set with no intention to create an advantage for one manufacturer over another.
Variables such as driving experience, tires, engine tune, suspension, brakes, track lay out, the fact that some guys have fairly pricey cars that they don't want to break, bla, bla, bla are all factors.
It was argued here that if the track was tighter the civic would have done better. Perhaps that is true. Perhaps is it not. I noticed no one talked about why the Civic was so slow on the same track compared to a GTR that is waaaaay heavier.
I could also have whined that if the track was far more open I could have actually taken advantage of the power of the GTR and actually gotten out of second gear.
It is pointless to try to suggest one manufacturer is better than another by basing the argument on one slalom track event.
Come on, let's all just be friends. |
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| Nis240 |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
The track was pretty open.. if the corners were closed in it would have been a lot worse for the nissans. You guys did intentionally leave it pretty open. Still, when a civic is only running 3 seconds slower then a skyline or 350z there are issues. Both those cars have well over double the power. Also I would have thought the lancer would have been faster considering the guy had R compounds on his car.
You got to be joking me. My car with 135 WHP got 2nd place so dont talk to me about civics schooling Nissans.
I dont have to say anymore. Come on out to our next AutoX and you can be given a second chance to embarrass yourself.
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| REFLUX |
Flaming = ban.
Keep it constructive. |
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| Nightstalker |
| In all honesty.. That track was setup for speed. especially the second one. I was there and I was also a part of the track design which was posted on this board. If you looked at this as average time and not FTD you would likley find that the hondas actually did a lot better. I don't know how many times I saw the 240s especially going into a powerslide because the drivers felt a need to get into the throttle way to soon and with way to much force. I would say that Favio's lack of power actually put him at a advantage over the other guys running the same platform. I have had the exact thing happen to me before.. The first autocross I attended after putting in my engine swap.. Even though my car has LSD I was beaten by a nearly stock EF hatch. I was use to having the ability to just plant my foot to the floor coming out of a corner because my previous engine lacked enuff power to break the wheels out from under me. Now the car lights up both tires and I slide all over. Trust me. If MattEG had been out in there in his old car. Which I think might actually be the one that Dominic owns now.. There would be another honda at or near the top of that list.. I don't think he would have beat Shane, but he would have been close. The really funny part is that the higher speed corners were the places that you guys seemed to be having the most trouble. |
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| Orzel_pl |
| Both families of vechicle are capable of outdoing the other, but Driver skill is the biggest factor here it seems. I have never been to an Auto X event and just b.c my vechile may have better statistics than another vechicle doesnt mean anything since I will suck insanely at making it show if the other vechicle has a more experienced driver. That's just my 0.02. |
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| Nightstalker |
| At the limit is realistically the only place you will see a major difference between preformance oriented cars.. Other then the issues created by haveing a FWD platform. Knowing how to use it is the most critical portion by far when it comes to going threw the corners. |
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| JustinL |
quote:
Originally posted by mattEG
WTF? Thats why near stock civics kick the crap out of the Nissan's that show up at the NECC auto-x events, right?
BAAHAHAAHAH!
Now you realize you have to come out to the next event and back up your statement, because it obviously wasn't true for the only events held so far. I want to see what a "near stock civic" can do at an event... hopefully better than the bottom half.
Nightstalker-- didn't you say you were going to set up some events at stratotch for next season? Any progress on that? |
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| Nightstalker |
| I think we might be backing away from stratotech. Realistically Namao is a lot safer and we can allow for more cars which means more seat time and a lot better value. I have actually setup a messageboard where we have talked about the events for next year quite a bit actually. As soon as I am finished setting up my stuff with the WCMA the webpage will likley become a part of my sig. If your really interested you can PM me. |
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| Orzel_pl |
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Originally posted by Nightstalker
At the limit is realistically the only place you will see a major difference between preformance oriented cars.. Other then the issues created by haveing a FWD platform. Knowing how to use it is the most critical portion by far when it comes to going threw the corners.
Bingo. Couldn't agree more. |
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| DeathBy240 |
| I think if we would have drawn names out of a hat for which car which driver got, the results would have been very much the same. Not exactly, but probably pretty close. The skill of the top drivers (not me :D) was very clear. |
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| bigmack000 |
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Originally posted by nissanz32
I fail to see where this civic destroyed anyone whatsoever.
[[B]22 Joel McAnally Honda CRX 1.27.47
HAHa thats rigth boys 22nd 100% stock on winter tires!!:cool: FEAR the honduh! hey maybe this year i will be fast *snickers in corner * :neener: |
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| Nis240 |
8 Kent Pylypa Nissan 240sx 1.18.33
^^^^^^^^^Bone stock 240sx. |
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| baker_jeff |
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1 Jeff Baker Honda CRX SiR 1.10.61
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| Soulfly |
| 0. Trevor Fougere Honda Civic 3dr. DNF.. (Hit Curb) |
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| silvia s13 |
Mike Nelson Nissan Hardbody 1.27.96
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| REFLUX |
| Bunch of egomaniacs - all of you :p |
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| bigmack000 |
| quite terry i know you want to yell the rx7 can't lose lol |
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| youngbex |
| NISSAN YO!!!!!!!!! |
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| Nightstalker |
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Originally posted by bigmack000
quite terry i know you want to yell the rx7 can't lose lol
Well thats just because it actually has to make it to the track in order to loose.. :p It is a wankel after all. |
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| bigmack000 |
quote:
Originally posted by Nightstalker
Well thats just because it actually has to make it to the track in order to loose.. :p It is a wankel after all.
HAHA lies |
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| Markgase2000 |
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Originally posted by Soulfly
HMM? Civic's can Turn.. But can't go straight Fast.. :P
You need to go for a ride in Nightstalkers Civic........ |
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| Nightstalker |
| What are you talking about Mark.. My car runs like mid 18s.. Its a civic ;) Aside from that Duane's car is WAY faster then mine in a straight line. |
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| d.maczko |
can you still buy the EP3 (latest civic hatch) from Honda, i didnt see it on their site, i was just wondering what they go for, i have a friend interested in buying a new(er) car.
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| Nightstalker |
| Why would you tell them to get a EP3... Get the new SI its a way better car. |
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| CanadianR |
quote:
Originally posted by nissanz32
I fail to see where this civic destroyed anyone whatsoever.
1 Shane Trenholm Acura Integra Type R 1.11.62
2 Flavio Diogo Nissan 240sx 1.12.43
3 Charles Onuoha Toyota Matrix 1.15.19
4 Jesse Nebo BMW 325i 1.16.58
5 Rob Clanachan Nissan 240sx 1.17.10
6 Andew Kwok Subaru WRX 1.17.41
7 Jason Ramcharan Mitsubishi Lancer 1.18.15
8 Kent Pylypa Nissan 240sx 1.18.33
9 Paulo Ochieng Mazda MX-6 1.18.35
10 Alex Espinoza Porsche 944 1.18.42
11 Justin Lewicke Porsche 944 1.18.54
12 Ryan Nissan 350Z 1.18.57
13 Dave Myers Nissan Skyline GT-R 1.18.61
14 Jamie Willey Nissan 240sx 1.19.89
15 Dave Clark Nissan 240sx 1.20.75
16 Dominic Knight Honda Civic 1.21.15
17 Chris Hammond Nissan 240sx 1.21.31
B]18 Davor Karacic Honda Civic 1.22.54
19 Dave Keller Nissan Skyline GT-R 1.23.41
20 Pat Chan BMW M3 1.24.21
21 Nigel Brown Toyota Celica 1.25.29
[22 Joel McAnally Honda CRX 1.27.47
23 Mickey Sidhu Honda CRX 1.28.76
24 Tawheed Sadiq Nissan 300ZX 1.39.24 [/B]
I know i'm coming into the discussion rather late, but i don't think you can really compare the times too closely. The track changed quite a bit from run to run at times, as cones got hit and sometimes weren't replaced or were replaced, but in a different location for numerous runs. So some people had the benefit of less turns to take, or less sharp corners etc while some did not. I would say you could only call the run times accurate to about 4 or 5 seconds. The track changing was due to the sheer size of area and only about 5-6 marshalls to cover the track and try to determine where the cones belonged.
That being said, there are numerous factors in lap times from car setup, to tires used, and probably the most important factor being driver skill and experience. Given equal drivers i think the setup of the car and the drivers familiarity with the car are more important than the car's ultimate potential. In other words both Hondas and Nissans are capable of putting down good times with the right driver. |
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| tegGSR |
| i was considering a 240 when i got my gsr but a gsr i liked came along and i bought it....i like nissans in general but ive been honda since the beginning (had an accord before it was written off):p |
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| bigmack000 |
quote:
Originally posted by CanadianR
I know i'm coming into the discussion rather late, but i don't think you can really compare the times too closely. The track changed quite a bit from run to run at times, as cones got hit and sometimes weren't replaced or were replaced, but in a different location for numerous runs. So some people had the benefit of less turns to take, or less sharp corners etc while some did not. I would say you could only call the run times accurate to about 4 or 5 seconds. The track changing was due to the sheer size of area and only about 5-6 marshalls to cover the track and try to determine where the cones belonged.
That being said, there are numerous factors in lap times from car setup, to tires used, and probably the most important factor being driver skill and experience. Given equal drivers i think the setup of the car and the drivers familiarity with the car are more important than the car's ultimate potential. In other words both Hondas and Nissans are capable of putting down good times with the right driver.
It was my 2nd time racing at an autocross :) and the crx well hahaha you all saw it :lol: |
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| Nightstalker |
quote:
Originally posted by CanadianR
I know i'm coming into the discussion rather late, but i don't think you can really compare the times too closely. The track changed quite a bit from run to run at times, as cones got hit and sometimes weren't replaced or were replaced, but in a different location for numerous runs. So some people had the benefit of less turns to take, or less sharp corners etc while some did not. I would say you could only call the run times accurate to about 4 or 5 seconds. The track changing was due to the sheer size of area and only about 5-6 marshalls to cover the track and try to determine where the cones belonged.
That being said, there are numerous factors in lap times from car setup, to tires used, and probably the most important factor being driver skill and experience. Given equal drivers i think the setup of the car and the drivers familiarity with the car are more important than the car's ultimate potential. In other words both Hondas and Nissans are capable of putting down good times with the right driver.
Meh, you still beat everyone.. Honda 4 Life :cool: |
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| Shady_Pro |
| let me ask you this...who the hell compares one specifc type car like a honda civic agaist a whole line of cars like nissian...what sense does that make...just another pointless thread tryin to stir the pot |
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| CryoSlash |
What no supras invoved? I think that they would have won :D.
But as a side note, i think you guys did awesome organiseing such an even t and had fun. +1 to all of you who ocmpeted and organize videos to showcase your skills. May you be in last or in first, it must have been fun right? niw as said before, lets all be friends :D |
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| 95IntegraRS |
An Integra Type R is a far cry from a Honda Civic.
Factory racecar essentially vs. base model economy model.
The Civic guys can say all they want, but it will take a whole lot for a Civic to even come close to holding a candle to a Type R. |
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| CanadianR |
| BTW, are there any dates set yet for upcoming NECC club events this summer? |
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| DeathBy240 |
| All the dates are tentative so far. |
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| jvdskyline |
quote:
Originally posted by bigmack000
It was my 2nd time racing at an autocross :) and the crx well hahaha you all saw it :lol:
it was my first time at any kind of track event, and with my stock 240sx i got 8th, (im logged in on my buddies acount)...... :D |
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