| 1sicsol |
Well from what I have read around this forum is that the first available 3 gen rx-7's are going to be available November 2006.
I am salvating at the thought of grabing another one of these gorgeous cars.
I want to discuss a few concerns.
1. What is the availability of 1992 Rx-7s at the November legal date, especially in 5 speed transmission and non-accident condition.
2. Is it true that there will be a demand in Australia and once November hits the price will inflate?
3. Since these will be the "first batch" of 92+ RX-7's ever made, will there be mechanical and design failures or flaws that were corrected in the 1993+ North American versions?
4. What would be the best time to deposit so it's delivered for Nov?
5. Do you think you can get a 92 with a blown motor for even a lower price? Blown motor are very common with RX-7's, and a 92 will need a rebuild anyway.
These questions go out to everyone if you have any thoughts. |
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| Wookey |
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Originally posted by 1sicsol
and a 92 will need a rebuild anyway.
Not to be an ass but do you know anything about the rotary motor? Assuming things without actual cold hard facts makes anyone look like an idiot.
To answer your question about the mechanical flaws or issues for 92 and up they were all the same. |
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| gaijin |
| I think he probably has done some research about rotaries in North America, and is probably right to assume that a 15 year old rotary may need to be re-built. Hell, I read an article about purchasing an FD3, and in it, the author stated that if you're buying one, and it's still on it's first engine, be prepared to replace/rebuild it. They're not exactly known for their robustness and longevity on this side of the pacific. But then, I'm also assuming that the tuner crowd in Japan might take better care of their cars.... |
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| maybe |
| also prob a 80 000 kilometer difference in jdm to usdm. Id say you would be ok with just a tune up, turbos might need a rebuild though. I guess it would all depend on how well the car was maintaned. If it has 90 000 hard miles you may very well need a rebuild. |
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| 1sicsol |
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Originally posted by Wookey
Not to be an ass but do you know anything about the rotary motor? Assuming things without actual cold hard facts makes anyone look like an idiot.
To answer your question about the mechanical flaws or issues for 92 and up they were all the same.
I know lots about the RX-7, especially the FD. I've owned every generation including a 93 single turbo.
Considering the kilometers, rebuilds are usually needed around 70km and up.
Compression goes down and usually the rotor housings and apex seals need replacing. If there is white exhaust smoke or cooling problems, usually the coolent rings need replacing, which means a rebuild to get at them.
The point im getting at there is that these cars seem to be on thier original motors. It is rare to see a healthy rotary above 70 000+ KM with good compression.
Once more mods are put on, it will put more stress on the motor, and that's why I like starting with a fresh rebuild. I don't trust what they have done to the car or what's it's been through.
So why not get one already with a blown motor if it's cheaper? The motor is going to be pulled at some point, and I can see a lot of owners ditching these cars just because it's gunna go soon. |
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| rythex |
:eek: rotary engines break down?!
man, that's a shocker. Next thing you know someone will tell me they have bad gas mileage and burn oil.:dunno: |
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| gaijin |
| I know. Shocking, isn't it?!:eek: |
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| StraightSix |
I'll have a go at these ...
quote:
Originally posted by 1sicsol
Well from what I have read around this forum is that the first available 3 gen rx-7's are going to be available November 2006.
I am salvating at the thought of grabing another one of these gorgeous cars.
I want to discuss a few concerns.
1. What is the availability of 1992 Rx-7s at the November legal date, especially in 5 speed transmission and non-accident condition.
Very very scarce.
quote:
Originally posted by 1sicsol
2. Is it true that there will be a demand in Australia and once November hits the price will inflate?
Not any more. They have changed their rules. Their might be a little inflation due to Canadian demand but I doubt it'll be significant. Christian can correct me if my guess on that is likely to be wrong.
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Originally posted by 1sicsol
3. Since these will be the "first batch" of 92+ RX-7's ever made, will there be mechanical and design failures or flaws that were corrected in the 1993+ North American versions?
None that I know of - they all seem equally troublesome :p
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Originally posted by 1sicsol
4. What would be the best time to deposit so it's delivered for Nov?
I'd start thinking about doing so already, for the reason stated in the answer to question one.
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Originally posted by 1sicsol
5. Do you think you can get a 92 with a blown motor for even a lower price? Blown motor are very common with RX-7's, and a 92 will need a rebuild anyway.
These questions go out to everyone if you have any thoughts.
Very likely so, but, you can't ship it ro-ro then. The car has to be running for that. So add another $1500 or so, for container shipping. Not likely to be worth it any more.
Hope this helps a bit. I would love to see more FD in the country. The most beautiful car ever made in Japan IMO. |
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| TyPhOOnSliPPerY |
| they are very pretty but very dangerous risk to buy :( |
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| shawley |
yea if u get one for $10,000 u should have atleast another $5000 to put back into it to have it running good
because who in edmonton even touches roatrys other and conroy??
i think the best thing to do would find a goood company overthere to buy from, and then send them money and have the motor rebuilt properley by a expert and have everything looked at over there and everything fixed and any mods you want to do have them dont over there and then get it fully tuned over there, might take some more time and money but you will have a better rx7 off the boat than the next guy that just brings it over
i know that worldcarlink.com has a garage over there that they can have stuff done, or contract it out to other shops if they can't handle it, i'm sure you could arange something like that
also you would end up spending less in the long run, as getting the parts and tuneing and everything done over there would cost less to get done there than here and would be done better i think |
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| 1sicsol |
^^ I totally I agree with you, but the rebuliding and tuning is not a problem where I live. I'm in Toronto, and what I have done in the past is drive to RX-7 store in the states do the tuning and porting. It's only about 6 hours away but his tuning and experience is second to none, and it's cheaper than Rotary Performance in Texas and better IMO(for an average build and tune, not drag cars)
I had my last car tuned there with another local buddy, we both had intake, full exhaust, Apexi PFC, the cars made 333WHp@12 psi and 322whp@12 psi, stock turbos, stock motors, and stock fuel. He's a really good tuner. Both cars lasted over 2 years, and I think my old FD is still running to the guy I sold it to.
I do the rebuilds myself, and it's actually pretty easy.
I agree with having $5000 to back it up, because when I originally bought my first FD I spent about $5000 jsut in reliablilty, tune ups, new brake pads..etc..it adds up quick. |
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| rythex |
lol.. I love when someone mentions rotarys and the fact that 2 years running is a long time. :lol:
(yes I know it's boosted.. ) |
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| 1sicsol |
So my one concern was answered, I guess you have to import it with a running motor.
Thats not so bad after all, it would probably be a convience because I don't have a trailer or tow dolly to haul it around for safety and e-tests.
I was looking at some auctions and there seems to be quite a few 92 RX-7's, and a lot in 5 speed/good condition bodies.
THe whole advantage is to get a FD for cheaper than what you can get it here. The Fd would have to be cheaper than what's available in states or there would be no point IMO.
In the states you can find FD from 6000-10000 US with blown motor, but you have to pay a bit of tax and import fees, and change the bumpers around. So you ahve to add another 2000us to the price.
I guess it's ultimtley up up to what kind of price, transmission, and accident condition they can get.
Something for 7-8 grand would be worth it, but paying over $10-12 grand you might as well pick on up from the states.
Thats how I bought my first FD, but it's long sold. THere is a small market here in Toronto for these cars, and it can be hard to find. |
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| StraightSix |
quote:
Originally posted by 1sicsol
I was looking at some auctions and there seems to be quite a few 92 RX-7's, and a lot in 5 speed/good condition bodies.
Yes there are plenty of 92s. If you want one for this year you'll need a 91 (I assumed that was what you meant at first, I know you said 92). Those are the scarce ones. Waiting a couple months will increase the selection greatly. |
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| 1sicsol |
I found a 92 already for sale. It will be available DEC 2006.
It's white with 70 000k, $10 700 landed.
Good deal or no?
*Please don't post links to competitor's websites on our forum - Christian* |
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| mx73someday |
| There were only around 900 FD's made before Jan 1, 1992. There was one at auction this past week. |
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| 1sicsol |
| What did it sell for ? Was it an accident car? |
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| mx73someday |
| I didn't pay attention to the details for that car :( |
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| hmong337 |
quote:
Originally posted by 1sicsol
I know lots about the RX-7, especially the FD. I've owned every generation including a 93 single turbo.
Considering the kilometers, rebuilds are usually needed around 70km and up.
Compression goes down and usually the rotor housings and apex seals need replacing. If there is white exhaust smoke or cooling problems, usually the coolent rings need replacing, which means a rebuild to get at them.
The point im getting at there is that these cars seem to be on thier original motors. It is rare to see a healthy rotary above 70 000+ KM with good compression.
Once more mods are put on, it will put more stress on the motor, and that's why I like starting with a fresh rebuild. I don't trust what they have done to the car or what's it's been through.
So why not get one already with a blown motor if it's cheaper? The motor is going to be pulled at some point, and I can see a lot of owners ditching these cars just because it's gunna go soon.
I agree with you entirely and want to add that people ditch rotory motor entirely to go for an american V8... sorry to say but rotory's just can't handle longevity. I have witnessed too many of my friends with FD's and FC's motors go up in smoke LOL.
http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/ :thumbup: |
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| 1sicsol |
| I love v8 rx-7's, it's like the best of both worlds!! |
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| rd_man |
| FD's amd FC's are two completely differnet animals, Rotaries are actually extrememly durable motors, and the 13b in the FC is quite strong, the FD's motor sort fo gives it a bad name. If your gonna change the motor, go 3 rotor and let everyone salivate |
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| 1sicsol |
3-rotor conversions cost like $30g...I would never spend that much on a car--not at this time, and I don't see it happening in the future.
The three rotor conversion is less reliable than a 2 rotor, because the lack of parts, knowledge, and tuning support in North America. There is much more available here to successfully mod a 2-rotor engine. Therefor I would stick to the original motor an RX-7 comes with. Besides, I can't imagine the overheating problems that will occur with a 3 rotor. Afterall, cooling is the number 1 challenge for rotary engines.
Take this for example. There is a guy 15 min from me that has a 3 rotor fc. He is an experienced rotary mechanic, and owner of well known rotary garage. It took him 5 years to get it running, and he is still struggling with it. Today it still doesn't run to it's full potential, and it can't boost over 8lbs. It breaks up, overheats, etc..It's even been tuned by Steve Kan, one of the few reputal tuners in North America. As far as I know, he's suppsed to get the bugs worked out this year.
The V-8 RX-7 is an awesome idea; however, when I looked into it, I could make the same power and keep the rotary for a lot less money. It's takes a lot of work to get the swap running properly, and it's best to buy on that's already done. You'll save a bundle and a headache. On a side note, re-building a LS1 is not cheap, and much more than a rotary!
There's nothing wrong with the rotary. You just have to be careful how you mod and take care of it. It has to be set up properly and tuned. I have learned through experience, racing, and tuning what works best for the car. Essentially everything has to be done right, and that's the key to enjoying an RX-7.
Personally, I've never had any problems with a rotary even after 2 years of racing. The car was track driven at Mosport and raced every weekend. It never overheated and made many Porche, Audi, and Corvette owners look twice.
I have seen and driven an RX-7 with it set up at full potential. I stongly believe it's under estimated by many car entusiasts. |
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| ehos |
Some motherfuckers always gotta ice skate uphill.
- Blade, on people that put LS1's into FD's. |
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| phoenix |
| so christian any chance in pricing a accidented/repaired 5speed tt 92 fd? |
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| mx73someday |
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so christian any chance in pricing a accidented/repaired 5speed tt 92 fd?
The majority of accident repaired 1991-1992 FD3S in 5 speed are $7500-9000 fully imported to Vancouver. |
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