| Ravendarat |
| So I have only been on here for like a month, but I see shops attacked and dissed too much. I purpose that if you had a bad experience, blame the installer by name. Go ahead and say what shop it was done by, but blame the installer not the shop. I have also noticed that there is big time turn over in this city and installers seem to bounce from shop to shop. Thats why I think you need to name the installers that did the work or dont even bother bringing it up. On that same note, if some one did good work for you, make sure they get the props not the shop. Once again with the turn over in town, some guy at visions that did a good install for you might be working at FS or at A&B or JB's or an independant now and there is no reason to credit his former employeer for work that he did. I just think that blaming or praising the building is unfair and the whole thing good or bad should ultimatly fall to the installer. |
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| Altezza |
| Mmm i second that :thumbup: |
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| REFLUX |
| But isn't it the responsibility of the shop to hire good employees? |
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| Cava_lierboy |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
But isn't it the responsibility of the shop to hire good employees?
I agree ... but I still agree to giving the props to the installer when he gets it done right and does a good job and vice versa if the installer does a bad or hacked up job the installer should also get the bad rep. and everyone should know that too |
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| Ravendarat |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
But isn't it the responsibility of the shop to hire good employees?
It absoultly is the responsibility of the shop, or at the least the shop manager to make sure that their employee's are up to par. My guys dont get to do work on a car unless I am sure they are competent, Altezza can atest to that one. What I am getting at though is that it should ultimatly come down to the installer, not the shop. It should be a sink or swim with him/her not the box they work in. Also for anybody who doesnt know this, there are far more installer jobs than there are QUALIFIED installers. It was like that in the last place I lived and its like that here. The problem that comes from that is that shops get desperate to get bodies in the shop who can install a car starter and they start to hire guys who have potential, but they rush them in and they arent trained properly. Thats one way you get a hack. So the other thing that I think people as consumers need to do, is if you get work done at a shop and something seems off or sub par, tell the shop manager so it can be adressed to the employee. They wont learn if they dont know they are doing something wrong. And dont worry about getting them in trouble, any decent shop manager will be able to adress the situation and HELP the employee as opposed to just go off on him. In the end, thats gonna make for a better crop of installers in the city and I am sure no one is gonna grip about that. |
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| Cava_lierboy |
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Originally posted by Ravendarat
It absoultly is the responsibility of the shop, or at the least the shop manager to make sure that their employee's are up to par. My guys dont get to do work on a car unless I am sure they are competent, Altezza can atest to that one. What I am getting at though is that it should ultimatly come down to the installer, not the shop. It should be a sink or swim with him/her not the box they work in. Also for anybody who doesnt know this, there are far more installer jobs than there are QUALIFIED installers. It was like that in the last place I lived and its like that here. The problem that comes from that is that shops get desperate to get bodies in the shop who can install a car starter and they start to hire guys who have potential, but they rush them in and they arent trained properly. Thats one way you get a hack. So the other thing that I think people as consumers need to do, is if you get work done at a shop and something seems off or sub par, tell the shop manager so it can be adressed to the employee. They wont learn if they dont know they are doing something wrong. And dont worry about getting them in trouble, any decent shop manager will be able to adress the situation and HELP the employee as opposed to just go off on him. In the end, thats gonna make for a better crop of installers in the city and I am sure no one is gonna grip about that.
Here here ... well said :thumbup: |
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| Charles_00civic |
| hmm. Well. E-Z has always been awesome for me. Yesterday I was talking to one of the guys there and I saw his sound system. (Half finished) and even though I thought it was way overdone and looked kinda messy I said I thought it looked great. He comes to my car and sees mine and tells me he thinks "carpet is gay" and "He can make waterproof boxes" aka mine isnt. Today he quoted some guy 4 hours for hardwiring some projector headlights. :lol: His excuse, "I need to make it look like it came like that" PA has black tubing to cover it for 99 cents for like 3 feet. It was a 2 hour job MAX and when the guy said ummmm.. He said "good luck with that." All the other installers ESPECIALLY the tinter are great. I dunno whats up with this guy though.. |
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| ~30oZ~ |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
hmm. Well. E-Z has always been awesome for me. Yesterday I was talking to one of the guys there and I saw his sound system. (Half finished) and even though I thought it was way overdone and looked kinda messy I said I thought it looked great. He comes to my car and sees mine and tells me he thinks "carpet is gay" and "He can make waterproof boxes" aka mine isnt. Today he quoted some guy 4 hours for hardwiring some projector headlights. :lol: His excuse, "I need to make it look like it came like that" PA has black tubing to cover it for 99 cents for like 3 feet. It was a 2 hour job MAX and when the guy said ummmm.. He said "good luck with that." All the other installers ESPECIALLY the tinter are great. I dunno whats up with this guy though..
It was a cavalier right? I thought Cava_lierboy was the one that worked for EZ? am I wrong?:dunno: |
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| Charles_00civic |
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Originally posted by ~30oZ~
It was a cavalier right? I thought Cava_lierboy was the one that worked for EZ? am I wrong?:dunno:
You know him? lol. |
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| REFLUX |
| Keep this on topic, any flaming over a shop will result in Bannings. |
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| Ravendarat |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
Keep this on topic, any flaming over a shop will result in Bannings.
Thats exactly my point in this thread. I see far too many pot shots taken at certain shops on the board with no responsibility giving to the installers that deserve them. |
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| REFLUX |
Users are free to make feedback as they wish so if some decide to take your advice (which I understand the merits of) then they are free to do so.
If not then not. |
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| ~30oZ~ |
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Originally posted by Charles_00civic
You know him? lol.
nope, not at all...I went with a friend to check out the new shop, seems like a good guy...but he may become hard of hearing soon lol |
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| 180sx |
Hell no.... its shops responsobility, u pay em, they are responsible for their fcuk ups . :fingersx:
bmw dealer doesn't say o Jeff lied to us he was 1st year aprent not 4th as he sad ,so sorrie about him not using a torque wrench and u getting stuck with blown engine after 7000$rebuild .... but go blame Jeff he is now with nissan dealership/// Hell no u hired him , u let him work on clients car, than u make sure he is qalified to do the work.... othewrwise there is no reason why ur shop shouldn't be blamed.
in other words business is liabile for action of their employess
its Contingent Liability.Bob spits in my mcdicks burger u sue mcdicks not bob.
but 2 hours to install a stereo what is he retartded ? |
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| Ravendarat |
| Im not saying that the shop is not on the hook financially. They are absolutly responsible for their employees and if they fuck up then they need to pay to repair anything damaged. What I am saying is that when people come on here and make a general statement about a store, whatever store it is, is bullshit. If I went and saw Billy Joe at BJ Imports to do my stereo and he did a piss poor job of it then I should be saying "Billy Joe at BJ Imports did a piss poor job of my stereo". Reason you say that is there could be several other guys there that know what they are doing and are quite good at their job and should not have their reps tarnished becuase one guy is a hack. Also by identifiing the installer it lets people know that if they go to Earls Euro shop and there is a guy named Billy Joe there that used to work at BJ Imports than you might wanna be leary and request a different guy or at least talk to him first before he touched your car. |
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| 180sx |
| people you hire and work they do for ur business is your shops rep. |
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| Altezza |
I have to agree with Ravendarat here. I mean you can hire someone that looks like their going to be a good worker and will turn out to be a good installer. But you dont know that for sure and its a shame it all depends on how they are trained and if they arnt afraid to ask questions when they dont get something. You dont want to rush them into anykind of job that they are unsure of how they shoulb go about doing it they pick up bad habits with out a proper trainer.
thanks to Ravendarat for training me well :thumbup: |
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