| EK9Hatch |
I have had mixed issues on this subject for some time now. I wanted to know what you guys thought about this subject.
Do you think that Old people should be allowed to drive on public roadways? Should they be retested after a certain age?
The reason I brought this up, is because recently I have noticed a lot of elderly drivers that, to me, are hazardous on the road. Today one older man was doing approx. 40km/h in a 60km/h zone. When there is heavy traffic this can be dangerous, when everyone is doing the 60km/h speed limit and then they come up on someone going this slow, the brakes come on hard and if someone is following a little to close...there is an accident.
I find the same problem at intersections when trying to turn. They are often so nervous, they wait until ALL traffic is gone and by this time the traffic light turned red 16 times.
Sorry about the rant, its just something I think the government should address.
What do you guys think?
~Jamie~ |
|
|
| Altezza |
| I think they should of done the retesting thing long time ago old people that dont know how to drive piss me off. Especially when im trying to get to work. After you hit 70-75 you should retake the test i think anyways. |
|
|
| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by EK9Hatch
Today one older man was doing approx. 40km/h in a 60km/h zone. When there is heavy traffic this can be dangerous, when everyone is doing the 60km/h speed limit and then they come up on someone going this slow, the brakes come on hard and if someone is following a little to close...there is an accident.
I see this a lot. But honestly this problem is not limited to seniors. I just as easily see many doing this that are middle aged women yaking on their cell phones as they drive.
Members here don't like to be stereotyped as ricers and streetracers and general trouble makers by the cops. On that same note we shouldn't lump ALL senior drivers into an equally undesirable group. That's no more fair.
But I agree that some form of retesting at some determined age level would be prudent.
|
|
|
| EK9Hatch |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
I see this a lot. But honestly this problem is not limited to seniors. I just as easily see many doing this that are middle aged women yaking on their cell phones as they drive.
Members here don't like to be stereotyped as ricers and streetracers and general trouble makers by the cops. On that same note we shouldn't lump ALL senior drivers into an equally undesirable group. That's no more fair.
But I agree that some form of retesting at some determined age level would be prudent.
I understand where you're coming from. And I agree, I see middle aged women doing this frequently as well. But I do see a large percentage of elderly people that to me, seem to be a hazard on the road. I think that there should be some kind of retesting after a certain age. We all know that with age, memory, reflexes, etc start to go out the window.
~Jamie~ |
|
|
| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by EK9Hatch
I think that there should be some kind of retesting after a certain age. We all know that with age, memory, reflexes, etc start to go out the window.
I agree. But before those of us in our 20's and 30's are too quick to throw restrictions at "seniors" we have to think in their shoes too. How would you feel if you're 49 approaching your 50th birthday and society has decided for you that you can no longer drive once you're 50? Kinda scary, don't you think?
I know I'm exagerating, but just to demonstrate a point. Who decides how old is too old to drive? Testing and re-testing is a good idea. But I could see the direction this could take. Sooner or later some politicians would cave in to pressure to mandate a set age limit to yank drivers licenses.
I for one hope I'm not part of that generation. Its bad enough that I may live long enough to see the death of fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine. :tear: |
|
|
| TrevorK |
| I think the only fair solution is mandatory resting for ALL every five years (As your license expires). Sure, it'll cost and extra $50 every 5 years, but then you keep a larger number of poor drivers off the road, while not discriminating based on age. |
|
|
| EK9Hatch |
Well I dont think its so much of age as it is who is mentally able and not able to drive.
I have seen first hand some men in their 70's that could run laps around a lot of the guys on these boards. So I think it should be based on a series of test, not just road rules, but relex, hearing and seeing. All these imo are important issues for good driving.
~Jamie~ |
|
|
| JdmCrx |
| Old people should have to do a road test every 6 months.. it's getting rediculous.. i almost got hit yesterday right in a parking lot. |
|
|
| boarderfatty |
| It depends, i totally agree with the more frequent retesting, But i also see my 76 year old grandpa, driving since he was 12, ripping around in his corvettes, still one of the most alert drivers I've been around. |
|
|
| EK9Hatch |
quote:
Originally posted by TrevorK
I think the only fair solution is mandatory resting for ALL every five years (As your license expires). Sure, it'll cost and extra $50 every 5 years, but then you keep a larger number of poor drivers off the road, while not discriminating based on age.
I agree with you, thats an exellent idea. |
|
|
| SilverNeonRacer |
Yeah, my Grandfather on my mom's side still drives pretty good, just under the limit(like 5km/h) or at the limit, he's like 76, where as my Grandmother on my dad's side, wow... she hadden't driven in forever... she tried driving for a week, and all us young maniacs zipping all over the place, she would signal for a lane change, do a couple shoulder checks and by the time she'd start to move over somebody would have whipped in from behind her or something.. anyhow.. yeah she go scared out of driving which is a good thing, cause she would do like 50 on the capilano bridge.
And Also I know a number of younger drivers who shouldn't be on the road either.
5yr re-tests wouldn't get all the bad drivers off the road, the lazy people would drive proper for the test. But the truely un road worthy drivers would be removed.
As far as the cell phone thing.. I was yapping on my phone to my wife, I managed to Signal, shoulder check, swirve, honk, signal back when a gy cut me off the other day.... and no I wasn't using hands free.. the other bastard was on a cell too... heh
I know my limits, and most times I'll pull off the road to yap, unless it's a quick call that doesn't require me to think. |
|
|
| rexxrally |
I have never seen a senior driver smoke their tires away from a red light, spraying me with gravel.
I have never seen a senior driver blast (at warp speed) through a red light that has been red so long that my light has already been green for a second.
I have never seen a senior driver so impatient with two lane bumper to bumper traffic, that he pulled out over the solid center line of the road, passing cars and pulling back onto his side of the road.
I have never seen a senior driver tailgating me, flashing his lights, honking his horn and giving me the finger in my rearview mirror, figuring that would get me out of his way.
I have never seen a senior driver pass somebody going slower on the left side, then cut them off making a right turn across them from the middle lane.
I have never seen a senior driver driving with his stereo cranked so loudly that he failed to hear the ambulance siren wailing behind him.
But I have seen young people driving like this. Forget the senior citizens. I think we should retest all the young people out there every 6 months.
Okay, now before you get on your flaming horse, think about this. You figure it's perfectly acceptable to force another age group into mandatory retests because you've seen a few bad apples.
I'm not a young driver, nor am I a senior citizen. How does it make YOU feel when a person not of your age group looks down on your age group, and wants your age group restested periodically, when you haven't done anything except be associated into the same age group as the above examples?
EXACTLY.
So, remember this, as well: some day, you, too, (despite your best efforts to believe me) will be a senior citizen. All the laws you want to see leveled at senior drivers will be leveled at YOU some day.
So, be careful for what you wish. You just might get it.
And remember, too: younger drivers cause more accidents than seniors do. Just ask the insurance industry. |
|
|
| supeg |
| There should be a law, no driving after 65. Old drivers are terrible, and most of them blow crosswalks ect. |
|
|
| newaccorddriver |
quote:
Originally posted by supeg
There should be a law, no driving after 65.
i think every senior citizen would rebel againest that decision even if it is for their own good. chances are if they took your license away when you turn 65, youll be pretty pissed off about it as well. i say retesting once a year after the age of 65 is fair enough |
|
|
| JdmCrx |
quote:
Originally posted by supeg
There should be a law, no driving after 65. Old drivers are terrible, and most of them blow crosswalks ect.
No that's retarded.. some old people are in good shape and can drive.. but most are not. |
|
|
| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by rexxrally
How does it make YOU feel when a person not of your age group looks down on your age group, and wants your age group restested periodically, when you haven't done anything except be associated into the same age group as the above examples?
EXACTLY.
So, remember this, as well: some day, you, too, (despite your best efforts to believe me) will be a senior citizen. All the laws you want to see leveled at senior drivers will be leveled at YOU some day.
So, be careful for what you wish. You just might get it.
THANK YOU. :bowdown: That was exactly the point I was trying to make as well.
:thumbup: |
|
|
| ChromeDragon |
It should not be just seniors. There are terrible drivers in every age category that should not have even received their licences in the first place.
I advocate re-testing every 4 years under the age of 65 and every 2 years over 65. On top of that the testing has too be MUCH harder and more thorough. Driver skills and attentiveness can not thoroughly tested on public roads. We need a government facility set up to actually TEST drivers, not just make sure they can turn left and parallel park.
If I had it my way there would probably be 30% fewer drivers on the road because they lack the ability to safely operate a vehicle. |
|
|
| newaccorddriver |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
It should not be just seniors. There are terrible drivers in every age category that should not have even received their licences in the first place.
I advocate re-testing every 4 years under the age of 65 and every 2 years over 65. On top of that the testing has too be MUCH harder and more thorough. Driver skills and attentiveness can not thoroughly tested on public roads. We need a government facility set up to actually TEST drivers, not just make sure they can turn left and parallel park.
If I had it my way there would probably be 30% fewer drivers on the road because they lack the ability to safely operate a vehicle.
i agree with everything in this post. i drive to work at 4:45am monday through friday, and the amount of drivers that run reds is insane. funniest thing is i was waiting for the light to turn green this morning on 109st right by grant mcewan(the intersection with the red light cameras). this guy stops right beside me and RUNS the red. when it turned green, i went and the next intersection both me and that guy were sitting and waiting. all this sudden he opens his window and says to me 'those red light cameras are fucken retarded'. its pretty bad early in the morning and its pretty bad late at night as well.
the problem with getting retested every 4 years or every so often regardless of how often it really is, is the fact that they must behave for 1 hour during the test. after the test they can do whatever they want. if possible, id like to see more red light cameras and possibly those speed cameras as well. atleast then you wouldnt have many people going 100km/h+ down 127st |
|
|
| GQsmooth |
| I believe there was a new law put in place, where everyone 65 and older will have to take a yearly driving test. |
|
|
| bluesuburbansky |
quote:
Originally posted by GQsmooth
I believe there was a new law put in place, where everyone 65 and older will have to take a yearly driving test.
I don't think so...unless it's really recent cuz my Grandma quit driving this winter and she is 91 and all she had to do to keep her license was get a medical and her eyes checked every few years. |
|
|
| Buddyworm |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
On top of that the testing has too be MUCH harder and more thorough. Driver skills and attentiveness can not thoroughly tested on public roads. We need a government facility set up to actually TEST drivers, not just make sure they can turn left and parallel park.
I agree wholeheartedly! Coming from an avid drifter this is gonna seem a little biased but I firmly believe that people need mandatory training on controlling their cars past the limits on top of basic skills. There's a difference between somebody who can drive and somebody who can point their car in the direction they want it to go.
B-Wurm :D |
|
|
| Soulfly |
Younger Drivers are More Careless..
when Older drivers are More.. Caring.... |
|
|
| SilverNeonRacer |
quote:
Originally posted by Buddyworm
I agree wholeheartedly! Coming from an avid drifter this is gonna seem a little biased but I firmly believe that people need mandatory training on controlling their cars past the limits on top of basic skills. There's a difference between somebody who can drive and somebody who can point their car in the direction they want it to go.
B-Wurm :D
The problem with this is, with what your saying, every time somebody got a new vehicle they should be retested.
I completely agree there's more to driving than steering and hitting the gas and brake. It's a science. But going from my fifth, a big v8 highway cruiser to my wife's Neon, a small wannabe sporty econbox, with "sport" suspension. WOW is it a huge difference, stuff I can do in my wife's car, at say 80-90km/h I can only do at 60-65 in my fifth. Same goes for winter driving, if I start to fish tail in the fifth on the highway it's one procedure or methodology to recover where as for the Neon it's a completely different one. I've recovered in the Neon from the rear tire hitting some crap on the highway and kicking hte rear tires out, and just recently I recovered int he fifth when the road turned to sheer ice and a strong sidewind caused a fish tail.
Knowing your limits is one thing, knowing the limis of the vehicle you're driving is different.
Me personally every vehicle I get, well I didn't do it in my fifth, but all my previous vehicle, I find a spot, isolated where worst case I write off my car or maybe talk out a light standard, and I do what the cops would call stunting, but I call learning my vehicle. Perfect example is with my swift, I went to the old base on 97(GreaseBall, yes I know thats not the right name, but I can't remember how to spell it) and I used the parade square, I was there for a couple hours a night for a couple nights a week over a period of a month causing slides and learning how to recover. And trust me, it paid off.
Another thing is Driver's Ed is a joke. In mine they should videos from the 50s.. of the "worlds best driver" and well base off todays laws, he breaks about a dozen in the 1 hour video.
Drivers Ed should be a civi version of police training and such.
Just my $0.06 |
|
|
| mr2kid88 |
quote:
Originally posted by newaccorddriver
this guy stops right beside me and RUNS the red.
saw someone do this on 170th, stony plain east..an obvious red light intersection..
he went when the other light was basically on yellow, and it didnt even flash him.
my main problem with old ppl is their keen interest in buying crown vics..
gotta slow down thinkin its cops, because they are ALWAYS goin slow..i even saw one guy in a black one with tinted rears..now THAT should be a ticket, not elarged muffler tip!
I think old ppl buy crown vics so we dont give them heart attacks..:dunno: |
|
|
| SilverNeonRacer |
quote:
Originally posted by mr2kid88
saw someone do this on 170th, stony plain east..an obvious red light intersection..
he went when the other light was basically on yellow, and it didnt even flash him.
my main problem with old ppl is their keen interest in buying crown vics..
gotta slow down thinkin its cops, because they are ALWAYS goin slow..i even saw one guy in a black one with tinted rears..now THAT should be a ticket, not elarged muffler tip!
I think old ppl buy crown vics so we dont give them heart attacks..:dunno:
My brother in law who's like a year younger than me just got a white crown vic, I've already called him a bastard for it. |
|
|
| Tech2 |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
It should not be just seniors. There are terrible drivers in every age category that should not have even received their licences in the first place.
I advocate re-testing every 4 years under the age of 65 and every 2 years over 65. On top of that the testing has too be MUCH harder and more thorough. Driver skills and attentiveness can not thoroughly tested on public roads. We need a government facility set up to actually TEST drivers, not just make sure they can turn left and parallel park.
If I had it my way there would probably be 30% fewer drivers on the road because they lack the ability to safely operate a vehicle.
You are exactly right, though I was thinking of retests every 5 years before 65. |
|
|
| SilverNeonRacer |
quote:
Originally posted by Tech2
You are exactly right, though I was thinking of retests every 5 years before 65.
5yrs is better, cause then you basically have to pass the test before you can renew your license |
|
|
| mr2kid88 |
quote:
Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
My brother in law who's like a year younger than me just got a white crown vic
whats there to like about them!
difficulty in parking..
we dont need wannabe cops..tell him to put an obvious decal of some sort on the rear,
or a funny one like this.. :thumbup:
 |
|
|
| SilverNeonRacer |
quote:
Originally posted by mr2kid88
whats there to like about them!
difficulty in parking..
we dont need wannabe cops..tell him to put an obvious decal of some sort on the rear,
or a funny one like this.. :thumbup:
He would probably do it too... big ones on the doors kinda like a crest heh.
My car "should" be harder to park that a crown vic.. and mine is easy
cept it's Authoritah! |
|
|
| GQsmooth |
quote:
Originally posted by bluesuburbansky
I don't think so...unless it's really recent cuz my Grandma quit driving this winter and she is 91 and all she had to do to keep her license was get a medical and her eyes checked every few years.
this was recent, it was on the news a month or so ago... |
|
|
| mr2kid88 |
quote:
Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
He would probably do it too...
force him to do it and then post pics! :thumbup: |
|
|
| ChromeDragon |
| Well not necessarily 4 and 2, 5 and 2, maybe 5 and 3. Regardless, the testing needs to done more often and the testing and training has to be much more thorough! |
|
|
| bluesuburbansky |
I'd fail. I can't parallel park at all under pressure. But I just never try so I don't think it's hurting anyone.
Think of how much money it would cost to restest every few years! They already make a killing with car registeration and license renewal fees. |
|
|
| EK9Hatch |
quote:
Originally posted by bluesuburbansky
I'd fail. I can't parallel park at all under pressure. But I just never try so I don't think it's hurting anyone.
Think of how much money it would cost to restest every few years! They already make a killing with car registeration and license renewal fees.
Retesting every 5 years wouldnt kill you. Im sure that everyone could afford that. Regardless, imo something needs to be done about this.
~Jamie~ |
|
|
| night_font |
| YESM, I AGREE TO MOST OF IT. WHAT MOST OF; I DONT KNOW. TO MUCH TO READ. GOT GOTMOST OF IT/ |
|
|
| Kybol |
| My grandpa is in his 80's and I think he has to renew his every year w/ a physical, bu thtat is probably because it is a class 1. |
|
|
| ChromeDragon |
quote:
Originally posted by bluesuburbansky
I'd fail. I can't parallel park at all under pressure. But I just never try so I don't think it's hurting anyone.
Think of how much money it would cost to restest every few years! They already make a killing with car registeration and license renewal fees.
That's my point here. A parallel park should be one of the easiest things on the exam, not the hardest. The examination is a joke at best. I could have passed that test at 14 having only ever driven a couple times around at a friend's acreage. When I took the test I had already logged more miles driving with my learner's license for two years than most licensed drivers log in twice that time.
Was I really, truly prepared for anything that could possibly be thrown at me on the roads of Edmonton?
Fuck no!
And I have no problem admitting that. When I got my license I was already a better driver than many people on the road, but in my hindsight I still wasn't good enough to be given a machine that has the potential to kill people in seconds. My driver training did not teach me a single thing that I didn't already know, and that's not right. |
|
|
| newaccorddriver |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
My driver training did not teach me a single thing that I didn't already know, and that's not right.
my training taught me a few things i didnt know, but i think its the constant reminders that worked for me. i shoulder check and use my signals and everything even when theres nobody around me or out driving. i just gotta get out of the habit of engine braking cause i dont touch the brakes when im doing that and other drivers probably dont like that |
|
|
| SilverNeonRacer |
Heh yeah shoulder checks and signalling should be habit, not something you have to consciencely remember to do.
I use my mirrors more than I shoulder check, and shoulder check when I actually need to.
What to do when... should be intinctive, or automatic, you shouldn't have to sit there and think "Oh God what do I do...Oh God what do I do..." cause by that time it's to late.
Like I said before driving is a science, It's physics actually, kinda like a hi stakes game of pool heh. |
|
|
| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
My driver training did not teach me a single thing that I didn't already know, and that's not right.
Common Matt... Driving "Skills" is one thing. But are you saying you knew ALL the little intricate details of the *rules* of the road inside and out beforehand? :dunno:
You mentioned learning to drive around an acreage. You get exposed to only a fraction of the different permutations of intersections, rights of way and so on that you would encounter in a city.
|
|
|
| ChromeDragon |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
Common Matt... Driving "Skills" is one thing. But are you saying you knew ALL the little intricate details of the *rules* of the road inside and out beforehand? :dunno:
You mentioned learning to drive around an acreage. You get exposed to only a fraction of the different permutations of intersections, rights of way and so on that you would encounter in a city.
I know, and this is what I'm saying. I shouldn't have been able to get my license with the amount of knowledge that I had. The test is nowhere near as "testing" as it really should be.
How many people bitch about bad drivers in here every week? In my estimation at least 25 per cent of the people shouldn't even be on the road because they have no clue what to do in an emergency situation, or don't understand road signs, or are just outright unable to safely control a motor vehicle. |
|
|
| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
I shouldn't have been able to get my license with the amount of knowledge that I had. The test is nowhere near as "testing" as it really should be.
Ok, so if I understand you now you meant that there WAS stuff that you probably wouldn't have known well and maybe should've been caught on at the time, and yet you STILL passed with ease because the actual road test didn't properly test you on those various aspects. Is that what you meant? |
|
|
|
