| ChromeDragon |
I was scanning the wire today at work and saw this.
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Harper says Tories will make street racing new offence with tougher penalties
By Steve Mertl
VANCOUVER (CP) — The Conservative government will specifically outlaw street racing, with repeat offenders facing jail, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Thursday.
The proposed legislation will create a new Criminal Code offence of street racing and those convicted will face driving bans and stiffer sentences than under existing crimes involving vehicles.
“We will have a series of escalating penalties that involve combinations of imprisonment and driving prohibition,” said Harper, adding he expects the detailed bill to be tabled in the Commons around mid-June.
Harper made the announcement at the RCMP’s B.C. headquarters before a group of teens and standing beside blown up photos of wrecked cars, including the mangled RCMP cruiser of Const. Jimmy Ng, killed in 2002 by a street racer who was paroled last fall.
Harper also noted Vancouver residents’ outrage that the two drivers whose street race killed pedestrian Irene Thorpe in 2000 were sentenced to house arrest, and referred to outrage in Toronto when an alleged street racer killed cabbie Tahir Khan in a collision last January.
“We’re committed to a justice system that hands down serious time to those who commit serious crimes,” said Harper.
“No more excuses, no more broken promises, no more favouring the rights of criminals of those of victims. We will crack down on crime. We will protect the Canadian way of life.”
The street-racing bill follows Tory legislation to impose mandatory minimum sentences for crimes involving guns and for ending conditional sentences for violent offenders.
The government will also move to protect young teens by raising the age of consent for sex to 16 from 14 years old.
Harper also indicated his government may also resurrect former B.C. Tory MP Randy White’s private member’s bill that targets hit-and-run drivers — dubbed Carley’s Law after a 13-year-old B.C. girl was left to die by a driver with a suspended licence who later served less than a year in jail.
“We are by no means finished with criminal justice legislation,” Harper said, adding the government is tabling four crime bills in this sitting and has more planned for the fall.
Harper said the proposed street-racing legislation is in the spirit of a private member’s bill tabled by late Independent MP Chuck Cadman after Thorpe’s death.
“Chuck was a selfless man who devoted his years in Ottawa to fighting for safe streets,” said Harper.
The popular Surrey North MP was first elected under the Reform and Canadian Alliance banners on a platform of fighting for victim’s rights after his son was murdered.
He found himself on the outside after losing the Conservative nomination, but he won the seat again as an Independent. He died of cancer last year.
Harper commended Cadman’s widow, Dona, for championing Cadman’s work but she was noticeably absent from Thursday’s announcement.
“Dona Cadman was in my office last week and I let her know that we would be out here making an announcement on the street-racing bill,” Harper explained. “I know she had some talks with Justice Minister (Vic) Toews on the options in the drafting of that legislation.
“In fairness to Dona, she’s not part of the government or part of the party,” he said. “Whether she attends or not is ultimately her business.”
But Dona Cadman, who endorsed winner New Democrat Penny Priddy in her husband’s old riding in the last election, said she wasn’t invited to the announcement and wasn’t even aware it was happening.
“(Harper) said there would be an announcement shortly,” she said. “He didn’t tell me where, when, how or anything else. I would have loved to have been there.”
Cadman said she couldn’t comment on the proposed bill’s merits because Toews had not given her the details.
The former Liberal government refused to back Chuck Cadman’s street-racing bill on advice it could be unconstitutional because it put the burden on the accused to prove they were not street racing.
So, let the discussion begin. |
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| Big Dave |
| I guess that means to keep it in your pants and go to a track. |
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| penance |
I would agree with that. Sure would crack down on all the dumbass racers out here.
A couple weeks ago a mercedes & viper were racing... the viper lost control and wrapped itself around a pole or was it a pillar? i don't remember...
oh well i don't care.... that's one less racer alive & on the streets :thumbup: |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
All fine and dandy for cut and dry cases, but they will need to set up clear cut what is street racing definitions.
If some guy is tailgating me on the highway and refuses to pass, and slowing down or moving over doesn't help and I happen to accelerate to make a small gap and the cops sees just this and thinks it's street racing, what then? |
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| Rich_A |
so if we're drifting.. it's technically not racing because it's just for show right? (non gymkhana) lol...
please find the the humor in this. June 16th.. go! |
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| DarrylBleau |
Awesome. I 100% back this law. This is something brought forward by someone with a firm grip on reality and is absolutely what this country needs.
I propose we further this though. It's not nearly far enough. Deaths have been known to occasionally occur due the street racing actions of others and we should bring the hammer down on them no doubt. But what about all the other actions that drivers do that have caused deaths! We can't leave those alone. So I propose we also criminalize backing out of driveways, passing a vehicle, speeding, turning left at intersections, ... ah hell, let's just criminalize driving altogether. That will stop people dying from driving related deaths entirely.
Go Harper! |
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| Rich_A |
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Originally posted by DarrylBleau
Awesome. I 100% back this law. This is something brought forward by someone with a firm grip on reality and is absolutely what this country needs.
I propose we further this though. It's not nearly far enough. Deaths have been known to occasionally occur due the street racing actions of others and we should bring the hammer down on them no doubt. But what about all the other actions that drivers do that have caused deaths! We can't leave those alone. So I propose we also criminalize backing out of driveways, passing a vehicle, speeding, turning left at intersections, ... ah hell, let's just criminalize driving altogether. That will stop people dying from driving related deaths entirely.
Go Harper!
thank you fellow skyline owner! |
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| ehos |
Harper is really making it tough on those young kids. First he ups the age of legal consent, then he takes away the kiddies right to race on the streets.
Harper is going to ruin the lives of alot of those street warriors.
What next? He'll ban bumping stereos? Ban on sidewayz hats and teh internets. Oh nooees! jou guys! |
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| chico_kj_23 |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
All fine and dandy for cut and dry cases, but they will need to set up clear cut what is street racing definitions.
If some guy is tailgating me on the highway and refuses to pass, and slowing down or moving over doesn't help and I happen to accelerate to make a small gap and the cops sees just this and thinks it's street racing, what then?
I was thinking the same thing. How are they gonna distinguish between speeding and "racing". I know that the main reason for this purposed change is due to the innocent bystanders that get killed. But that can happen in just regular day-to-day driving. I think that more effort needs to be put into training young drivers and making it more difficult for "bad" drivers to get there license. I think this change could be a good step as long as it is carried out properly and they don’t start putting people in jail for a little spirited driving. |
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| drivensideways |
| i live my life a 1/4 at a time |
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| nismo |
“We’re committed to a justice system that hands down serious time to those who commit serious crimes,” said Harper.
“No more excuses, no more broken promises, no more favouring the rights of criminals of those of victims. We will crack down on crime. We will protect the Canadian way of life.”
And yet Stephen Harper wants to abolish the gun registry? :rolleyes: |
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| shorti |
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Originally posted by nismo
And yet Stephen Harper wants to abolish the gun registry? :rolleyes:
you just opened a whole can of retarded right there. |
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| Wookey |
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Originally posted by shorti
you just opened a whole can of retarded right there.
Agreed. But i will say that the gun registry is absolutely pointless.
*Puts on Flame Suit* :D |
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| 300zxgal |
| and this would be why people in california would rather lead the cops on a chase than 'come quietly' |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by 300zxgal
and this would be why people in california would rather lead the cops on a chase than 'come quietly'
A guy up here just was in court for somerthing like that.. a cop wanted to stop the guy, they setup a road block a head, somehow he got outta sight of all the cops(they got the plate number) and he just turned off and took a gravel road, he ditched the cops without a chase, and because there was no actual chase, he didn't see the road block and pull a U turn or anything he just got a fine, even though the judge said something about how this is a serious offence or something... |
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| shawley |
I don't know if i agree or not
because with that a cop could just be a dick and say you were racing when u wern't and fuck you over, it's soo dumb
like if you going off the line at normal speed and some idiot is driving with you trying to keep up to u or get you to race and a cop sees it and things yea there racing and gives you a ticket thats dumb
but then again, that person killed near the the north end a couple years ago by 2 racing corvettes leaving the petrocanada car buffs meet, should not of happened
and if they had this racing law i guess it would really cut down on things like this |
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| Danny_lude |
| finally a crackdown on this sad justice system..... |
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| bluSRT |
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[i]Originally posted by nismo
And yet Stephen Harper wants to abolish the gun registry? :rolleyes:
Do you really think that the person who registers a gun, is a criminal? No they are the people who actually enjoy hunting or target shooting, not committing a crime.
Do you think that someone who is planning on committing a crime or a gangsta would register their gun, NO.
The gun registry was just another government way to milk money out of the honest people. |
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| snugs |
Saw that on the news last night... it was prefaced as Harper following up on his campaign promise to get tough on criminals and crime.... after seeing him talk about "street racing" I wondered what was next in fulfilling this campaign promise, an inquisition into shop lifting at the dollar store? Federal time for jay walking?
Sure street racing is serious, but is it as serious as drunk driving? Organised crime? Violent crime? etc etc etc.... I know some will say that you've got to start somewhere but this is about the lowest hanging fruit Steve could find. |
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| Billy |
| Guess I'm going to sell my car and buy a truck. |
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| DarrylBleau |
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Originally posted by snugs
Saw that on the news last night... it was prefaced as Harper following up on his campaign promise to get tough on criminals and crime.... after seeing him talk about "street racing" I wondered what was next in fulfilling this campaign promise, an inquisition into shop lifting at the dollar store? Federal time for jay walking?
Sure street racing is serious, but is it as serious as drunk driving? Organised crime? Violent crime? etc etc etc.... I know some will say that you've got to start somewhere but this is about the lowest hanging fruit Steve could find.
Anyone else notice the 'street racing' picture they had for the segment was two cars at a a RACE TRACK? |
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| GT34 |
I hope something goes down for tougher sentences for street racing. It would put guys like that deuchbag that killed that woman with his corvette last year in jail for longer. He got off with 9 months house arrest and 5 ear suspension on his license.
Anyways it will give them more time in jail to enjoy all the tossed salad they're gonna eat.:thumbup: |
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| ChromeDragon |
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Originally posted by bluSRT
Do you really think that the person who registers a gun, is a criminal? No they are the people who actually enjoy hunting or target shooting, not committing a crime.
Do you think that someone who is planning on committing a crime or a gangsta would register their gun, NO.
The gun registry was just another government way to milk money out of the honest people.
Tell that to the police officers that make use of it 5,000+ times a day. Knowing that there is a gun in the house when responding to a call makes a HUGE difference. Being able to track stolen guns is also extremely important.
No obviously criminals won't be registering their weapons, but many offenses are committed with guns that people own. For police safety I think it's a great tool, although the costs of setting up the registry got way out of hand. I still don't understand how they spent so much money. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
Tell that to the police officers that make use of it 5,000+ times a day. Knowing that there is a gun in the house when responding to a call makes a HUGE difference. Being able to track stolen guns is also extremely important.
No obviously criminals won't be registering their weapons, but many offenses are committed with guns that people own. For police safety I think it's a great tool, although the costs of setting up the registry got way out of hand. I still don't understand how they spent so much money.
Considering I read somewhere in a paper that one politician said the same thing and they use a piece of software to track cattle, alot more cattle, alot more moves, etc for much much less, and it actually works. |
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| shawley |
quote:
Originally posted by snugs
Saw that on the news last night... it was prefaced as Harper following up on his campaign promise to get tough on criminals and crime.... after seeing him talk about "street racing" I wondered what was next in fulfilling this campaign promise, an inquisition into shop lifting at the dollar store? Federal time for jay walking?
Sure street racing is serious, but is it as serious as drunk driving? Organised crime? Violent crime? etc etc etc.... I know some will say that you've got to start somewhere but this is about the lowest hanging fruit Steve could find.
i agree
make drinking and driving a minimum 5 years in jail
how often does street racing happen, not at all
how often does drinking and driving happen, EVERY FUCKING DAY, not just at night but during the day too
i've almost been hit by a few of them, and i do call there plates in |
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| shorti |
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Originally posted by shawley
i agree
make drinking and driving a minimum 5 years in jail
you can't put politicians, CEO's, judges or cops in for that long. they're too important. :rolleyes: |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by shawley
how often does street racing happen, not at all
ahh I think your thinking to locally, plus I hear about it all the time around here anyway. Its just not that often that ppl die from it. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Yeah drinking and driving, thats far more common then "street racing"
Oddly enough this is coming out just in time for the next FnF installment.... hmmmm
All I can say is if some cop tries to bust me for street racing now I'd laugh my ass off.. right infront of the cop too. heh |
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| Stainless |
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Originally posted by snugs
Federal time for jay walking?
I could only wish for that. Cyclists who don't understand that they have ALL the rights and resposibilities as motor vehicles should spend some time in pound-me-in-the-ass prison too. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by Stainless
I could only wish for that. Cyclists who don't understand that they have ALL the rights and resposibilities as motor vehicles should spend some time in pound-me-in-the-ass prison too.
How about motorists who when passing cyclists don't give them a full lane like your supposed to.
When I used to ride everywhere I dunno howmany times I was passed close enough I could easily reach out and touch the car, in some cases slap the pasanger. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
we have to be more specific here... we are talking about a guy who runs shit in ottowa/toronto etc where street racing is nothing like it is here. over there, they have hundreds of cars that collaborate. shutting down roads and running bets on races..its huge over there..theres a HUGE difference between that, and some kid in his civic revving on neon and having a quick go on the street. in my opinion its highly stupid, however its far from bad enough to get a kid put in jail for. give the kid a 1000 fine and 6 demerits and he wont race again, after all its prevention we are after right.. if he races again take his liscense for 6 months or a year. but to put a 16 or 17 year old in jail for having a heavy foot is the most rediculous thing ive ever heard...
think about the early 80s when cars cost about 10 grand for a new 300 hp machine. almost every kid on the block had one and you could hear street racing from your window nightly. my uncle alone had 4 muscle cars when he was 16-19 and wrote off 3 of them just being an idiot. hes in his late 40s now and you dont see him running a street racing cartel. his driving record is clean minus the occasional speeding ticket.. now tell me, would his life be any different or would how he drives now be changed AT ALL had he spent time in jail??? no, because he grew out of it just like 99% of us will.. the other 1% will pay thier fines and grow up eventually...this is my opinion anyways. |
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| 300zxgal |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
we have to be more specific here... we are talking about a guy who runs shit in ottowa/toronto etc where street racing is nothing like it is here. over there, they have hundreds of cars that collaborate. shutting down roads and running bets on races..its huge over there..theres a HUGE difference between that, and some kid in his civic revving on neon and having a quick go on the street. in my opinion its highly stupid, however its far from bad enough to get a kid put in jail for. give the kid a 1000 fine and 6 demerits and he wont race again, after all its prevention we are after right.. if he races again take his liscense for 6 months or a year. but to put a 16 or 17 year old in jail for having a heavy foot is the most rediculous thing ive ever heard...
think about the early 80s when cars cost about 10 grand for a new 300 hp machine. almost every kid on the block had one and you could hear street racing from your window nightly. my uncle alone had 4 muscle cars when he was 16-19 and wrote off 3 of them just being an idiot. hes in his late 40s now and you dont see him running a street racing cartel. his driving record is clean minus the occasional speeding ticket.. now tell me, would his life be any different or would how he drives now be changed AT ALL had he spent time in jail??? no, because he grew out of it just like 99% of us will.. the other 1% will pay thier fines and grow up eventually...this is my opinion anyways.
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| DSM |
The government will also move to protect young teens by raising the age of consent for sex to 16 from 14 years old.
Is anyone else not upset about this? :dunno: |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by DSM
The government will also move to protect young teens by raising the age of consent for sex to 16 from 14 years old.
Is anyone else not upset about this? :dunno:
Maybe at the fact it was ever set as low as 14 in the first place.. I know a guy that at the time was 19, dating a 16/17yr old, he actually had a letter from her parents giving consent. |
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| Wask |
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Originally posted by DSM
Is anyone else not upset about this? :dunno:
Only guys who like to fuck 14y/o's are. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| im gunna have to agree with the 14 yr old law... ive never met a 14 year old gurl who has enough life experience to make a clear conscience decision on something so serious. most gurls that age just do it because its fun, at that age they cant think of the consequences. |
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| youngbex |
lets just hope the gov't knows what they are doing, has this even gone through the house of commons? could be a while before we see any changes
EDIT i also think they are refering to organized street racing. |
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| Buddyworm |
The intentions behind Harper's move are good but the method to it is off, I think. Street racing in areas like metropolitan Ontario should be strictly policed but jail time is stretching it a little. Frankly, I'm more concerned about drunk drivers. I would consider a drunk driver travelling across town, doing the speed limit, to be more of a hazard than a couple of punks ripping down a few city blocks.
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Originally posted by DSM
The government will also move to protect young teens by raising the age of consent for sex to 16 from 14 years old.
Is anyone else not upset about this? :dunno:
That's a good move but it's based on principle. Does anyone actually believe that this change will make a lick of difference? If an adult already has the desire to bang a 14 year old, they're gonna do it anyway.
I don't know about you guys but when I've been attracted to someone only to realize, after the fact, that they were way younger than I thought, I don't go, "Awh geez, it's too bad she's not of legal age according to Mr. Harper." It's more along the lines of, "Sweet Jesus. Mentally, she's still a freakin' child!"
B-Wurm :D |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
I know a guy that at the time was 19, dating a 16/17yr old, he actually had a letter from her parents giving consent.
thats a bit disturbing for him to get a letter from her parents giving consent...
as far as street racing goes, a HUGE fine would make people think again about it. the fine should be as high as driving without insurance or somewhere around there |
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| DSM |
quote:
Originally posted by Wask
Only guys who like to fuck 14y/o's are.
I was being sarcastic. |
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| ehos |
Harper's smart.
Free political 'pull' with people that count, and a big FU to those that don't.
However, if he was a genius, he would try to get those 18 year olds on his side, he could have loyal followers for life, instead he's taking the easy political points now... |
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| Fish_e_o |
i think it's kinda stupid really....
sure organised street racing should be jail time. but where do you draw the line for "street racing" they could really interpret that as some guy pulling on to the highway and his tires chirp if they want to... they would say he's racing himself...
or even i had a cop try and tell me i was street racing in my taurus!!! my dumb ass friend thought his car was fast so he look off past me... the cop pulled me over (not the guy who flew by me)... i asked him if he was kidding and then i laughed my ass off... needless to say he wasn't impressed but i didn't get a ticket i got a warning for street racing...:blink:
i think if i was street racing i wouldn't be i a car that does the 1/4 in 22 seconds, i'm also pretty sure if i tried to street race someone in that they would get out slap me around and then drive away...
as for the 16 year old consent.. honestly, even that, looking back, is too young imo... but they can do what ever they want no ones really going to stop them... |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by Fish_e_o
i think it's kinda stupid really....
sure organised street racing should be jail time. but where do you draw the line for "street racing" they could really interpret that as some guy pulling on to the highway and his tires chirp if they want to... they would say he's racing himself...
not necessarily true. in alberta street racing is defined as driving on a highway engaged in a wage or bet. basicly saying your wagering the other person or betting them you can win in a race.. doesnt have to be for money or monetary gain. |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
not necessarily true. in alberta street racing is defined as driving on a highway engaged in a wage or bet. basicly saying your wagering the other person or betting them you can win in a race.. doesnt have to be for money or monetary gain.
there still has to be a line between racing and driving still. a guy with a hard foot shouldnt appear to be racing to every cop especially from a light |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| thats my point..a guy racing himself wont recieve a ticket for racing in alberta, he will recieve a driving at an unreasonable rate of speed, or similar. if he is driving beside someone driving in similar fasion..they will both recieve the racing ticket. |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
thats my point..a guy racing himself wont recieve a ticket for racing in alberta, he will recieve a driving at an unreasonable rate of speed, or similar. if he is driving beside someone driving in similar fasion..they will both recieve the racing ticket.
so 2 people with heavy foots would recieve tickets? |
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| 2ndgenlude |
i see it as cops can't be sure if 2 guys are racing unless they see both take off tires spinning,etc.
if someone launches from a light by themself to outrun the guy beside him to change lanes is that racing? its way to broad of a term to put a jail charge on. harper is doing it all wrong. i think the current sentence is enough. racing is bad but i rather they put more resources into putting drunks in jail for driving. have checkstops out of bars and such. |
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| newaccorddriver |
| what about merge lanes where i have to stomp on the gas pedal to catch up with traffic? that shouldnt count as racing. unless they want me going 40 in front of them when their going 80 on whitemud |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| cmon guys...common sense plays into every decision a police officer makes. its not hard to decipher between street racing and someone trying to pass someone else..if they are both on the throttle and one is "trying to pass the other". thats street racing, you betting the person beside you that your car is faster and you will get in front of him. if you peel off a line and the person beside you doesnt, your get a ticket for stunting and speeding.. |
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| newaccorddriver |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
cmon guys...common sense plays into every decision a police officer makes. its not hard to decipher between street racing and someone trying to pass someone else..
to a cop, everything is possible. we dont have the most logical force out on the streets. |
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| DarrylBleau |
I still have faith that we have people with sanity reviewing these things. People dying from the actions of others (street racing) is terrible, no doubt, and I don't condone it in the slightest. But this is the wrong way to go about it. If someone is found criminally negligent from the results of a street race, then they are so found and should be punished accordingly.
However, this rule is something akin to, oh, say, people die from second had smoke, so let's criminalize all smoking behavior. That'll fix it.
It's retarded, and you may as well criminalize breathing, cause that way, we won't have any further social problems. |
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| Wookey |
| I couldn't agree with you more, Darryl |
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| newtuner |
| So the red 300zx and the yellow MR2 that I saw racing up and down 170th the other night would have gotten a racing ticket? Or maybe they just both had heavy foots? |
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| CryoSlash |
quote:
Originally posted by newtuner
So the red 300zx and the yellow MR2 that I saw racing up and down 170th the other night would have gotten a racing ticket? Or maybe they just both had heavy foots?
they will get tickets cause cops are assholes. at least around ontario :thumbdown: |
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| bluciv93 |
this harper guy seems to be full of sh*t.
im better off selling my rice ball and start taking the bus cuz as soon as sh*t takes effect these retarded city cops we have here are gonna tag us on evey corner :dunno: |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by bluciv93
this harper guy seems to be full of sh*t.
im better off selling my rice ball and start taking the bus cuz as soon as sh*t takes effect these retarded city cops we have here are gonna tag us on evey corner :dunno:
Thats why I like driving a grandpa mobile. Any cop that accuses me of street racing or stunting, I'd laugh my ass off.. spin tires? yeah right, gear ratio is too high, brake stand... not with the brakes on... locked against a wall maybe...
Even if I modify it, it would still be a sleeper heh. |
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| 300zxgal |
quote:
Originally posted by newtuner
So the red 300zx and the yellow MR2 that I saw racing up and down 170th the other night would have gotten a racing ticket? Or maybe they just both had heavy foots?
haha.. eyah was IN that 300zx.. they werent racing.. street racing is illegal :rolleyes: |
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| bluciv93 |
quote:
Originally posted by 300zxgal
haha.. eyah was IN that 300zx.. they werent racing.. street racing is illegal :rolleyes:
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| miiike |
i think its ridiculous...they should fix drunk driving penalties instead of sending kids in neons and civics to jail (sadly is the majority of street racers). We have people in this country that have had multiple DUI's and are still legally driving. Think about that...
and we can thank in advance the latest installment of the fast and furious, as it will definitly provide support for the bill. I would imagine we will see numerous of the above mentioned cars wrapped around poles in the parking lot of the local movie theater. |
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| impact |
i am for the law. but if it passes. how long will it take untell the cops totaly abuse it and use it the wrong way.
ie: exhuast tickets. |
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| bluciv93 |
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Originally posted by impact
i am for the law. but if it passes. how long will it take untell the cops totaly abuse it and use it the wrong way.
ie: exhuast tickets.
i think they over abuse that one already :mad: |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Keep in mind that with a criminal charge the burden of proof will be on the prosecution. They have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were street racing. |
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| CryoSlash |
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Originally posted by bluciv93
this harper guy seems to be full of sh*t.
im better off selling my rice ball and start taking the bus cuz as soon as sh*t takes effect these retarded city cops we have here are gonna tag us on evey corner :dunno:
you know he wants to have only certain media people ask questions to him after each meeting? is he trying to control the media now? Sounds a lot like what castro does. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| I wonder how many people that are pissed off about this legislation actually voted conservative? |
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| SilverZ24 |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
I wonder how many people that are pissed off about this legislation actually voted conservative?
There is no government that someone is going to agree with everything they do. I don't agree with this, but I voted conservative and I would vote the same if there was another election. You would rather continue reading about another scandel that wasted millions or billions? :dunno: |
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| luder |
Okay as for racing, yes its bad.
I agree with this law to an extent, it's principles, yes.
Unfortunately I do see even more sport compact profiling going along with that.
I do see a general problem with this. Harper is moving to a U.S. style criminal system. Any crime=big penalties. Removing the gun registry was a mistake, implementing these tougher laws will be a mistake as well.
I personally can't wait to see us run into an overcrowded and disfunctional criminal system full of pot heads and street racers.
The liberals had a much better system. Sure it was flawed, but in the end, was cheaper and more effective. Or at least will be. |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by SilverZ24
There is no government that someone is going to agree with everything they do. I don't agree with this, but I voted conservative and I would vote the same if there was another election. You would rather continue reading about another scandel that wasted millions or billions? :dunno:
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I'm not gonna change my party b/c of one little law that some ppl don't like..:dunno: |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by dc2696
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I'm not gonna change my party b/c of one little law that some ppl don't like..:dunno:
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as for the media control...its smart politics.. if i were him , i wouldnt want the media there to edit what i say and twist what i say to mean something i didnt and end up costing me thousands and thousands of votes.. half the shit is useless that they report.. harper tells everyone what they need and should know... everything else, he doesnt risk telling the media.. |
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| SketchifisT |
Gun registry is pointless because it didn't work , but thats different.
Street racing law should go through, this being said ive been known to push limits sometimes. That being said i do mine on the freeway where no one can walk out or be t-boned. Im not saying what i do is right but i dont like drivin an Hour + to go to my nearest track. So my vote for Harper is to help crack down street racing open more tracks, here in BC we closed down 2 tracks for no real reason other then noise complaints on a RUddy saturday afternoon.
Opening more tracks wont stop racing all together but more people will think twice. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by SketchifisT
Gun registry is pointless because it didn't work , but thats different.
Street racing law should go through, this being said ive been known to push limits sometimes. That being said i do mine on the freeway where no one can walk out or be t-boned. Im not saying what i do is right but i dont like drivin an Hour + to go to my nearest track. So my vote for Harper is to help crack down street racing open more tracks, here in BC we closed down 2 tracks for no real reason other then noise complaints on a RUddy saturday afternoon.
Opening more tracks wont stop racing all together but more people will think twice.
problem is...a highway is a highway weather its in the city our out of town..youd be going to jail if you were caught doing what you were doing as well. |
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| oldraven |
Drunk drivers are getting their lisences back as we speak; maybe for the second or third time. But we'll get those racers.
Don't we already have Wreckless Driving, Wreckless Endangerment, and other laws to take care of these offenses? There are other criminals who have a much bigger impact on society than street racers, who seem to get away with their shit a lot easier. Try and stop them all, but if you're going to make an example or prove a point about unsafe driving, then give drunk drivers automatic jail time. They're the ones causing deaths in droves.
It's just Ottawa showing us how redundant they can be, wasting taxes as they go along. |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by JustinL
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/n...55-6331c7b4418e
I was wondering who was going to fill the cells that Harper budgeted $245 million to build.
pssssst, its you!
lol, man it would be funny as hell to see Steve-O ramp up the number (and assocaited cost) of evil criminal types in this country by passing more restrictive laws like this until the annual cost of keeping all these folks locked up exceeds the cost of the gun registry.
...no wait, that wouldn't be funny, it would be bitterly ironic.... hmmm, i need a cookie. :p |
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| CryoSlash |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
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as for the media control...its smart politics.. if i were him , i wouldnt want the media there to edit what i say and twist what i say to mean something i didnt and end up costing me thousands and thousands of votes.. half the shit is useless that they report.. harper tells everyone what they need and should know... everything else, he doesnt risk telling the media..
its not smart politics. its him not allowing certain papers cover somethings. and doesn't it make sense that he can be prepared for any question? Hes the leader of our country and should be prepared at least. Good thing i will vote NDP.. |
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| Blaine B. |
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Originally posted by oldraven
Don't we already have Wreckless Driving, Wreckless Endangerment, and other laws to take care of these offenses?
It's just Ottawa showing us how redundant they can be, wasting taxes as they go along.
Bingo. I voted for the guy but he isn't acting conservative right now. Conservatives aren't for more or bigger governement or regulations. Dangerous Driving laws already exist with stiff penalties that have yet to be handed down by judges. This is just a PR move. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by Blaine B.
Bingo. I voted for the guy but he isn't acting conservative right now. Conservatives aren't for more or bigger governement or regulations. Dangerous Driving laws already exist with stiff penalties that have yet to be handed down by judges. This is just a PR move.
keep in mind hes not targeting the kids in civics with heavy foots guys.. hes targeting organized crime.. like gambling rings, this is exactly the same.. there are thousands and thousands of dollars in illegal races in cities like vancouver and toronto. i am highly doubting someone getting caught going for a rip in edmonton will see jail time for something like that.
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"its not smart politics. its him not allowing certain papers cover somethings. and doesn't it make sense that he can be prepared for any question? Hes the leader of our country and should be prepared at least. Good thing i will vote NDP.."
have you ever read a paper after the media got ahold of something that means nothing, but yet was twisted so absurdly to smear politicians...hes playing it very smart.. the media doesnt need to know everything.. they get what they need to know and they are just trying to smear him. hes doing an excellent job protecting his party, why let the media fuck up a country because they cant report that he took a shit that day, they dont need to report everything and they are just whining about it. |
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| SketchifisT |
NDP took my province and drove it into the ground and we are still having problems from them. This is not really political discussiong on parties per-say but more on the issue.
We already have the rules, i can understand him wanting to stop the "Fast and Furious" Type of races with money and pink slips on the table. Actually theres a website forget the name in the states that promotes the stuff, they make videos of it, rolled into New York City and did huge burn outs and so forth.
Its nothing new street racing or the fact its dangerous. Most of our parents street raced, hell most small towns still let it go on in the states. I know In tumbler ridge in BC they let the airport be used. Just sit down and talk to a lot of the old hot roders, most will tell you some pretty intresting tales and we are going back to the days with bad saftey and seat belts that were crap and drum brakes. Ive heard more horror stores of the old days then anything new from here.
Its a PR stunt to go with the tradgic deaths of the couple in toronto and the people in BC that have died. Will it stick , probably but this isn't something new in california they have been impouding and destroying street racers cars for a long time.
BTW i dont know about edmonton but most of our street racing accidents are outside of the "racing community" they are kids that have 5.0 litre mustangs or T-birds that are racing friends. We have had people in racing community die ( Viper 2 weeks ago ) but at least from what i read in the papers most of the kids dying street racing here are in high school driving mommy and daddies car or one that was bought for them. Japan maybe onto something forcing kids to take driving school to get there licence. |
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| rexxrally |
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Originally posted by SketchifisT
Its nothing new street racing or the fact its dangerous. Most of our parents street raced, hell most small towns still let it go on in the states.
You are quite correct. Street racing has been around since the dawn of the automobile.
But, and this is the huge difference, our parents would take their racing out to a stretch of highway headed out of town or some other deserted area.
The kids today are playing video games where the cars race in town in traffic, through and around "civilians", and that's what they're doing in real life now.
If you want to go out and re-enact the race scene from "American Grafitti" that's one thing, but to do the "Fast and Furious" racing around civilians is quite another.
I'm all in favour of the cops cracking down on true street racing. That couple in Toronto on their wedding anniversary is exactly why. There's a little 7 year old girl who's been crying for a week now, not understanding why she can't talk to her mommy and daddy anymore. There's too much to lose PERMANENTLY for a 30 second thrill. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
My dad never went out of town, ok sometimes... He and his buddies used to race down Groat half plastered. Or he would cruise around hte block, look for the radar trap, go make a bet with a guy(they'd go around a square course kinda like 2 fast 2 furious, without the drifting(after all they where in super beetles, sattilytes, etc) and the guy would floor it, so would my dad, then my dad would slow down before the cop, the other guy would get busted and my dad would put on by doing 30mph...
But even as my dad tells it, there was a shitload less traffic back then... and they probably didn't hit the speeds these rice rocket/mom car driving punks do.
I know when I was a dumb ass, and street raced, I was driving a 93 swift with a good hp:wieght ratio, and really the only reason I won as many as I did was cause I knew my car, and I will willing to be the bigger dumb ass and go faster, aka by the time they started to catch me we where passing the speed in which the other guy was willing to go.
But as I said.. back when I was a dumb ass..... |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| kids dont street race because of video games man... they race for the same reason crack heads do crack and problem gamblers gamble... its there, and super fun to do.. |
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| eurotrailertras |
all we need now is a guy racing down the street while holding an unregistered firearm and having sex with a 14 year old... boy.
im sure harper would be lovin' that, mcdonalds style |
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