| Altezza |
| So i have been planning this for some time now. I want to get my hands on a EK9 now my plans are to swap in either a H22A or the F20C now i know the H22A can be done. But with the F20C i cant remember is the S2K a rear wheel drive vehicle and if i want to swap this into the EK9 i will have to get the drivetrain from a S2K? |
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| droppedatbirth |
yes the f20c is the s2k engine. and yes it is rear wheel drive
with lots of fabbing and modifications the engine can fit and you can make the car rear wheel drive. is it worth it? most people will say no. for me? i'd freakin love to see a rear wheel drive civic in this city..dooooo it :thumbup:
and from what i've seen lately the h series swap in a civic is a pretty easy swap now that hasport and other companies make straight bolt in kits. h series swap is also a very nice swap to do....nice hp numbers stock and will pull very nicely on the ass dyno. preylwd power on here has done the h22 swap on his ek and built up the engine and turbo'd it....two words describe that car.....holy fuck... |
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| bw54867 |
just drop in an h22 and call it a day
drop an f20c into an ae86 and that is holy fuck
if you want a rwd car buy a rwd car |
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| baker_jeff |
| H22 or boosted B-Series would be best for your wallet. RWD conversion = not so good for the wallet |
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| Altezza |
| If i had the time and the money to do the S2K swap i would but im not loaded haha. So i think il just swap a H22 now from what iv seen on the net when i want to get one it comes with engine, tranny, wiring harness, what about the axle? or do i have to find one seperate? And how much do the mounting kits cost ? |
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| Praylewd powr |
There are many H22 swap "how to's" on Honda-Tech and most will say use the hasport kit. If I remember correctly the hasport kit and place racing mount kit both place the engine in similar heights, etc.....but the hasport is a little further back in the bay (only by a touch). You can buy a harness kit from hasport or place, the axle setup is simple (the easier one is a 92-96 H22 SRV intermediate shaft, and two 90-93 integra axles), but be prepared to cut up the tunnel to mount a shift box for the H series shifter cables, etc.
Also ensure you don't slam the car too much because the oil pan/header will be closer to the ground:thumbup:
Feel free to pm me if you have any questions.
Duane.
(keep in mind, if you want to boost it eventually.....go B series. It is a much more reliable setup imo. H series just don't love to make a ton of power without alot of maintenance) |
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| necromomomomomo |
Okay... so I'm not a Honda guy by any stretch, but wouldn't a K-series be a viable option? I heard swap kits exist. (and if you're willing to shell out for an S2k engine, this shouldn't be a huge problem)
Sure, you won't get sportbike RPM, but the torque would actually exist. |
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| bw54867 |
how fast do you want to go? na/turbo/sc? are you looking for high revs or torque? are you looking for ease of installation or can you afford to pay extra for a non b-series swaps?
you should do some more reading until you learn the pros and cons of each swap |
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| baker_jeff |
| There is also what's called an H2B kit (i think) that lets you use a B-Series tranny with they H22. |
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| Altezza |
quote:
Originally posted by Praylewd powr
Duane.
(keep in mind, if you want to boost it eventually.....go B series. It is a much more reliable setup imo. H series just don't love to make a ton of power without alot of maintenance)
What kind of maintenance are we talking about here? hehe Because thats extaly what im going to do it boost the hell out of it :thumbup: |
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| Altezza |
quote:
Originally posted by baker_jeff
There is also what's called an H2B kit (i think) that lets you use a B-Series tranny with they H22.
Would it handel the power the H22 can make tho ? Or will it just chew all the gears up |
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| Altezza |
quote:
Originally posted by bw54867
how fast do you want to go? na/turbo/sc? are you looking for high revs or torque? are you looking for ease of installation or can you afford to pay extra for a non b-series swaps?
you should do some more reading until you learn the pros and cons of each swap
Iv done quite a bit of reading up on it now and i would like to do a H22 the ease of installation i dont care if its going to be hard il do what it takes to get it done :D |
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| THUD |
That F20 is probaly the hardest swap you could ever do.....it's a long block and some cutting of the strut towers and subframe and use of a really big hammer to make it fit + the whole tranny thing.
Wanna try something wacky....take a honda Delslow and shove a boosted Bseries in the back or even a honda beat and make it into a delslow hybrid.
I am not 100% sure but the beat suposely can take a D16/ZC but I would think you could boost it, both would be neat projects if your into trying somthing wackyish.
better yet take a CRV set up and plug it into a CRX and jack it up an AWD crx with a B20 hummin under the hood that would be neat and do great on the dirt autoX tracks :beer: |
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| Altezza |
| haha that would be the project for the CRX into CRV haha. But if i had the money to do the f20 i would i would make it work even if i had to modifiy the body. Nothing a little cutting and welding cant fix. But then again i dont have that kind of money laying around to do that kind of swap. |
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| necromomomomomo |
Okay... so we have:
F engine: dumb. expensive, but it revs really high
B engine: easy swap, fast, but apparently, good blocks are getting rarer
H engine: cheap, fast, proven, lots of torque
K engine: bloody expensive, less aftermarket support, but can be made faster than the H22
(again, not a Honda guy, but it seems like there are far better things to do than trying to hack in that S2k engine) |
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| Praylewd powr |
the H series closed deck block seems to be very weak if not re-sleeved properly, the crankcase ventilation is crap, the intake manifold is poorly designed and not equal on all four runners, the intermediate shaft (honda) does not like boosted torque numbers (plan on replacing often), and the stock diff will break, and the trannies are notorious for failing after high boost driving.
The main thing is the crankcase ventilation though.
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| Altezza |
| Well now thats more problems than i would have expected. So better off swapping a B series motor. What about the B18C from a Type R? Or would i better off just getting the GSR B18C and save a few bucks? |
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