| Clem |
| What would it take to get Canada into the war? A tragedy on the scale of Pearl Habour? Should John Cretin allow Iraq and it's terrorist cronies a chance to devastate us like that or should he be proactive and support our only real line of defense, the USA? |
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| WookeysRX7 |
A Prime minister that isn't older then dirt, someone to actually show how dumb our prime minister is and to have U.S threaten to not back us up anymore.... Our government chaps my ass!
Damn i'm ignorant! |
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| Clem |
You are but that's ok. I like your line of thought.
Don Cherry had a good point when he was on the Jim Rome show (ESPN radio)
"Why wouldn't we help the US? The US would always be there if we were in trouble.
In WWII Canadian soldiers were the first on the beach in Normandy. They pushed so far ahead that the Allied forces had to tell us to stop and wait up."
I'm paraphrasing of course.
What happenned? We elected a PM with no teeth, literally and figuratively.
We needs someone who represents all of Canada not just Eastern Canada. That or separation :ph34r: is always an option. :unsure: |
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| WookeysRX7 |
life would be sure as hell alot better if we just kept B.C, Alberta, and Saskatchewan! We got the plains in Sask. for grains, we got oil industry, cattle in alberta, we got forestry/fishing/ mining in B.C. What the hell else do we need from the east?! the only reason Alberta is going back into debt is because we are having to send money to the maritimes! And thats a known fact! Who the hell knows where all our money goes to?
We are getting off topic kinda but heres one more fact.....
Why the hell is the goverment spending 1 Billion dollars(heard this on 630 ched) on gun registry!? thats gotta be the dumbest fuckin law i have heard! If someone wants to carry a gun/ rob people/ shoot people, they sure as hell aren't gonna bother registering their damn guns! WHAT A WASTE!!!!
K, i'm done with this reply now...
Clem, you got anything you wanna add? or take away? :D :P :bigthumbup: |
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| Clem |
Well the gun registry IN CONCEPT was a good idea.
What I don't understand is that we pay so much in equalization payments and recently Ottawa sent a lot of money to Iraq for humanitarian aid.
:wtf:
How about humanitarian aid for your own people? Charity begins at home you cockeye mother focker.
Let forget about the Gun Registry for a moment, and even about equalization payments. Even with those 2 big hemmroids I think what really screwed us financially as a province was the National Energy Program. (I'll let whomever what's to know about it do the research themselves. http://www.google.ca )
I am a proud Asian Canadian, even more so a proud Albertan. While I'd love to see our country to stay together minus the stupid bilingualism laws :P if separation is the only way for us to prosper as a people and a country them I'm all for it. My only thing is we keep Manitoba as well as Saskatchewan and B.C.
Eastern Canada (Ont. and Que.) hold the most seats in Parliment. Historically understandable as back then the west was the wild frontier. Now a over a 100 years later the west, Alberta in particular, contributes more to the GDP than Quebec. Now how the hells does that work? Quebec has the size and population but they are still COLLECTING equalization payments. If we are one of the highest contributors in equalization payments then shouldn't we have more of a say on a national level?
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/govt10a.htm
301 seats:
Newfoundland and Labrador 7
Prince Edward Island 4
Nova Scotia 11
New Brunswick 10
Quebec 75
Ontario 103
Manitoba 14
Saskatchewan 14
Alberta 26
British Columbia 34
Yukon 1
Northwest Territories 1
Nunavut 1
Now I can appreciate the fact that the number of seats is based on an equation http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/pr...entation_e.html
but give me a freaking break. That system is a little antiquated.
Sorry for the rants and ramblings.
Back to the original topic.
Cretin why won't you help our American brothers and sisters?
I almost think if it REALLY came down to it, I'd go down to the US and join the military. |
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| WookeysRX7 |
| Man i am almost ready get up and move to U.S. Canada is a nice place to live but U.S has so much more stuff! Think of the car shiz we can get down there, think of the dollars you would be making, think!!!!!!! Tired of this Eastern Canada crap! Why the hell do we have some Ancient person leadin our counrty anywase>?! wtf does he know nowa days? :angry: |
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| Clem |
The problem at hand is the political power resting in Eastern Canada. People like Preston Manning and Stockwell Day were dreamers. With 178 seats out of 301 in Ont and Que alone what made them think that they would ever get elected into power? Ont and Que will never elect a western leader plain and simple and therein lies our Achillies Heel. IT really has nothing to do with the age of our PM.
Stockwell Day shouldn't have been so stubborn and joined forces with Joe Clark and the Federal PCs then we may we may have had a chance. |
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| BlueBlur |
| As long as that population equation exists, we in the west will never have a proportionate say. They will always elect someone from the east to govern. |
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| Clem |
quote:
Originally posted by BlueBlur@Apr 3 2003, 10:32 AM
As long as that population equation exists, we in the west will never have a proportionate say. They will always elect someone from the east to govern.
LOL pretty much a summary of what I said. |
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| WookeysRX7 |
| yeah but he made it so much simpler for us simple minded people! :lol: |
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| Clem |
quote:
Originally posted by WookeysRX7@Apr 3 2003, 10:45 AM
yeah but he made it so much simpler for us simple minded people! :lol:
No just you. :bigthumbup: :P :lol: |
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| WookeysRX7 |
quote:
Originally posted by Clem@Apr 3 2003, 09:49 AM
quote:
Originally posted by WookeysRX7@Apr 3 2003, 10:45 AM
yeah but he made it so much simpler for us simple minded people! :lol:
No just you. :bigthumbup: :P :lol:
THAT WHAT I WAS SAYING! GEEZZZ.... :D :P :bigthumbup: :rolleyes: |
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| scooby_dooby |
| Canada should actually have made a stronger stand against going to the war. I'm not going to get in a huge argument, but this war is being conducted for all the wrong motives. It's wrong, it'll make the world a worse place to live and I'm glad we weren't bullied into doing something, just because the US is. |
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| Clem |
Not to argue (let's have a civil debate)
But how can Canada justify non involvement in the war when Canadian troops are protecting an air strip used as a staging zone for the war? |
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| BlueBlur |
Justification is that jean is trying to placate both sides...
But he really doesn't care, he's leaving anyway. |
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| scooby_dooby |
That's a good point, the government should have made sure all canadian troops were removed from the region, or at least from active participation.
But Canada will be there in the end, to help rebuild Iraq, and I think that's part of their justification. They aren't fighting but rather, peacekeeping, I don't know how plausible this is, but.. |
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| Clem |
IMHO their presence cannot be construed as peacekeeping.
They are there in a security function to protect ALLIED bases/staging zones.
Argue semantics all you want but either way you look at it Canadian troops are involved in this war. |
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| scooby_dooby |
| Hey I wasn't justifing it, IMO they shouldn't be there. I was just saying how I think the government might be justifying it, never said it was right. |
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| Clem |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby@Apr 3 2003, 11:18 AM
Hey I wasn't justifing it, IMO they shouldn't be there. I was just saying how I think the government might be justifying it, never said it was right.
ok ok my bad. :)
anyone else have any views of this subject? |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Whatr about the Canadian Soldiers who are part of the exchange program in Britian?.
I beleive those particular Canadian soldiers are already in Iraq and fighting alongside the British military. |
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| midnite |
more solders have died in vehicle accidents and friendly fire than by iraqi forces, according to cnn.com
iraqi fire: 33
friendly fire: 9
vehicle accident: 29
drowned/illness: 3
and i didn't know which catagory to put these:
Killed while his unit was conducting convoy operations in the vicinity of the Euphrates River: 3 |
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| ManHunter |
The goal of removing Saddam and his wacko family is a good one. The war is the wrong way to do it.
The US & Britain completely discredited the UN by deciding to go to war anyway, against the UN's decision to give the inspectors more time. They are getting hundreds of people killed (thousands if you count iraqi soldiers). They will cause no end of trouble in the already unstable middle-east region.
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| Clem |
quote:
Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Apr 3 2003, 01:13 PM
Whatr about the Canadian Soldiers who are part of the exchange program in Britian?.
I beleive those particular Canadian soldiers are already in Iraq and fighting alongside the British military.
Those are part of the detachment protecting the Allied forces staging zone. They are ordered not to get involved. |
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| BlueBlur |
:stickpoke:
what an oxymoron.. (no not you clem :D)
They are there,
they are in the line of fire (or could be)
but they are 'not involved' |
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| Clem |
quote:
Originally posted by BlueBlur@Apr 3 2003, 03:28 PM
:stickpoke:
what an oxymoron.. (no not you clem :D)
They are there,
they are in the line of fire (or could be)
but they are 'not involved'
The Canadian Conundrum :lol: |
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