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Originally posted by Honda_Civic_25
I live in Leduc also and honestly I dont mind out cops there really nice actully, just not the by-law officers :asshole: But luckly we only ahve one by-law officer now and the dick moved away. But yea our cops out here are really nice if your polite. I was pulled over at 11:12pm one night just after work and he pulled me over casue of my white turn signals. And when he told me this I politely told him that I thought amber and white were aloud and he said thats correct but they looked alittle blue to me and and I explained that they were LED and it was probally the fact that there LEDs and in a clear housing, he also said my exhaust was illegal but I told him it was jsut a tip which is still illegal and he jsut told me to be careful cause other cops might pull me over for these 2 things, i got no tickets, nothing. He is the cop who drives the marron undercover car. he a is very nice cop. I know the cop who drives the grey undercover cop is a total dink so stay away from him. Both of the undercover cars are on traffic patrol in Leduc so if you come through here, watch out for them, the other RCMP officers wont bug you unless your ripping like 150 through our town lol.

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Originally posted by Korry
um no not really all police officers are empowerd the same were not like the backwards U.S with jurisdictions

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Originally posted by Korry
um no not really all police officers are empowerd the same were not like the backwards U.S with jurisdictions

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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
lol you sure man? maybe you should read a text book or something. The RCMP is canadas FEDERAL police agency they have jurisdiction in all of canada.

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Originally posted by Korry
um no i know what i'm talking about my dad just retired from the eps 32yrs of service i know my shit

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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Except a grade two level of spelling and grammar.

Mounties don't have a jurisdiction, period. They can go anywhere they want.

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Originally posted by Korry
As can eps dumb ass. you know why they dont leave the city unless its a big deal, cause they get paperwork up the fucking ass dont come to a battle of wits unarmed

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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
hate to burst your bubble man but this is taken right off the official GOVT website

"The Royal Canadian Mounted Police is the Canadian national police service and an agency of the Ministry of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada.

The RCMP is unique in the world since it is a national, federal, provincial and municipal policing body. We provide a total federal policing service to all Canadians and policing services under contract to the three territories, eight provinces (except Ontario and Quebec), more than 200 municipalities, 165 Aboriginal communities, three international airports and numerous smaller airports."


and i cant find any info on EPS jurisdiction but i do know, they can do fuck all to you if you are outside the edmonton district. Im unsure if that includes the counties connected to edmonton like buemont leduc etc.

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Originally posted by stybscelica
You are so full of:bs: your ears are brown. I was personnally assisting with manpower allocations In Camrose Alberta for Big Valley Jamboree and the Former Stage 13 Rock Festival. in 2004 we had 63 EPS for Stage 13 and 46 for BVJ. In 2005 56 for Stage 13 and 43 for BVJ. Camrose paid the bill. So if EPS has no jurisdiction outside edmonton how did they work in Camrose:thefinger

Not to even Mention G8 where every Police Service in Western Canada contributed officers to Calgary and K country to police the closed and secure zones.

I won't even go into Meyerthorpe where Edmonton Auto theft were 1st on scene. (GRTS for they are true warriors).

If you reply to this your a dumb ass.

Cheers:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
lol show me documented proof before you say anything AT ALL... im not sure HOW the system works but im sure they required authorization, or had to sign paperwork to be there.. im telling you right now, a police officer cant take his cruiser to calgary and arrest someone..if you think he can then YOU are the fuckin dumbass.

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Originally posted by stybscelica
You are so full of:bs: your ears are brown. I was personnally assisting with manpower allocations In Camrose Alberta for Big Valley Jamboree and the Former Stage 13 Rock Festival. in 2004 we had 63 EPS for Stage 13 and 46 for BVJ. In 2005 56 for Stage 13 and 43 for BVJ. Camrose paid the bill. So if EPS has no jurisdiction outside edmonton how did they work in Camrose:thefinger

Not to even Mention G8 where every Police Service in Western Canada contributed officers to Calgary and K country to police the closed and secure zones.

I won't even go into Meyerthorpe where Edmonton Auto theft were 1st on scene. (GRTS for they are true warriors).

If you reply to this your a dumb ass.

Cheers:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

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Originally posted by Korry
fuck whos the dumb one get yer shit straight b4 you beak off

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Originally posted by Vive le Quebec
Just to add to my above post...St. Albert RCMP recently assisted EPS with an arrest they did IN ST. ALBERT only because EPS lost contact with their telecoms and couldn't call other EPS members for backup...so much for their limited use of power up to their borders...

There's proof right there that their policing powers extend beyond the borders of Edmonton.

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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
Whats the deal with the sherrif's? I just saw a Sherrif Cruiser the other day(Sat I think) in Edmonton.

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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Sheriff's are Provincial Protection Officers.

They will be challenging the RCMP for the Policing contract for the province next time it's up.

There will probably be an Alberta Provincial Police quite soon.

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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
lol show me documented proof before you say anything AT ALL... im not sure HOW the system works but im sure they required authorization, or had to sign paperwork to be there.. im telling you right now, a police officer cant take his cruiser to calgary and arrest someone..if you think he can then YOU are the fuckin dumbass.

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Originally posted by stybscelica
Talk to any EPS that has actually worked BVJ or Stage 13 they might actually know what they are talking about.

Ok here's a question for this brilliant mind what do you know about Spin operations and JFO's including Iroc and Operation Pipeline that are conducted every day. This will test your knowledge.

And by the way you didn't acknowledge my G8 information. I know EPS is on pay duties when they are contracted to Camrose however when they appear in Camrose court on tickets they have written in Camrose, they testify as EPS members. all police officers have peace officer status and can conduct them selves as police officers anywhere in the province. By the way Ex partners of mine worked White during hte cup. and there from Camrose.

Here is the definition of Peace officer in the Criminal Code:
“peace officer” includes

( a) a mayor, warden, reeve, sheriff, deputy sheriff, sheriff’s officer and justice of the peace,

( b) a member of the Correctional Service of Canada who is designated as a peace officer pursuant to Part I of the Corrections and Conditional Release Act, and a warden, deputy warden, instructor, keeper, jailer, guard and any other officer or permanent employee of a prison other than a penitentiary as defined in Part I of the Corrections and Conditional Release Act,

( c) a police officer, police constable, bailiff, constable, or other person employed for the preservation and maintenance of the public peace or for the service or execution of civil process,

( d) an officer within the meaning of the Customs Act, the Excise Act or the Excise Act, 2001, or a person having the powers of such an officer, when performing any duty in the administration of any of those Acts,

( d.1) an officer authorized under subsection 138(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act,

( e) a person designated as a fishery guardian under the Fisheries Act when performing any duties or functions under that Act and a person designated as a fishery officer under the Fisheries Act when performing any duties or functions under that Act or the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act,

( f) the pilot in command of an aircraft

(i) registered in Canada under regulations made under the Aeronautics Act, or

(ii) leased without crew and operated by a person who is qualified under regulations made under the Aeronautics Act to be registered as owner of an aircraft registered in Canada under those regulations,

while the aircraft is in flight, and

( g) officers and non-commissioned members of the Canadian Forces who are

(i) appointed for the purposes of section 156 of the National Defence Act, or

(ii) employed on duties that the Governor in Council, in regulations made under the National Defence Act for the purposes of this paragraph, has prescribed to be of such a kind as to necessitate that the officers and non-commissioned members performing them have the powers of peace officers;


Every police officer is appointed a peace officer and his/ her authority extends througout canada. Now when your talking about Provincial Offence the Provincial Offences Proceedures Act Applies.:

And POPA states:

Definition of a Peace Officer:
“peace officer” means

(i) a member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, while the member is in the exercise or discharge of the member’s powers or duties,

(ii) a member of a municipal police service, while the member is in the exercise or discharge of the member’s powers or duties,

(iii) a special constable appointed under the Police Act, while the special constable is in the exercise or discharge of the special constable’s powers or duties,

(iv) a person who is employed or retained by the Government, a municipality or a Metis settlement and whose duties include written authorization to issue violation tickets under Parts 2 and 3, while the person is in the exercise or discharge of that duty and while the person is serving a summons, offence notice or subpoena,

(v) a park warden appointed under the Parks Canada Agency Act (Canada) and a park officer designated under the National Parks Act (Canada), while they are in the exercise or discharge of their powers or duties in a national park established under the National Parks Act (Canada),

(vi) a person appointed under the National Defence Act (Canada) regulations for the purposes of section 156 of the National Defence Act (Canada), while the person is in the exercise or discharge of the person’s powers or duties in a defence establishment as defined in that Act, and

(vii) any other person employed by a municipality, a Metis settlement, the Government of Alberta or the Government of Canada for the preservation and maintenance of the public peace, while the person is in the exercise or discharge of the person’s powers and duties;


This act dictates how Provincial offences are handled, Each specific Piece of Legislation i.e Traffic Safety Act specifies jurisdiction. I guarantee every piece of Legislation empowers police throughout the provice. If i attached each it would take you all night to read through.

Hey but don't forget the police act which states:

Authority, duties and jurisdiction of police officers

38(1) Every police officer is a peace officer and has the authority, responsibility and duty
(a) to perform all duties that are necessary

(i) to carry out the police officer’s functions as a peace officer,

(ii) to encourage and assist the community in preventing crime,

(iii) to encourage and foster a co‑operative relationship between the police service and the members of the community, and

(iv) to apprehend persons who may lawfully be taken into custody,

and

(b) to execute all warrants and perform all related duties and services.

(2) A police officer has jurisdiction throughout Alberta.

Here is the limitation
(3) Notwithstanding subsection (2), where a commission is established in respect of a police service, the commission may restrict the territorial jurisdiction of any police officer of that police service.

here is a qualification of the limitation
(4) Where the territorial jurisdiction of a police officer is restricted under subsection (3), that police officer may, notwithstanding that restriction, carry out the police officer’s functions and exercise the police officer’s powers beyond that jurisdiction if the police officer is in immediate pursuit of a person who the police officer has reasonable and probable grounds to believe has committed an offence against any law that the police officer is empowered to enforce.


If you really need to argue this more you will not get an answer from me because you don't know what your talking about.

cheers
:cool: :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
Aww but they just built a fancy RCMP station here, and the big fancy K divison building out by Kingsway mall... Wonder if they'll be new cops or if the current RC's will transfer over... heh if they're new guys they won't know the roads out here as good.... hmmmm sorry we have a road you could out run a cruiser doing the speed limit on :P

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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Sheriff's are Provincial Protection Officers.

They will be challenging the RCMP for the Policing contract for the province next time it's up.

There will probably be an Alberta Provincial Police quite soon.

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For the record, white turn signals are NOT illegal under federal law. Part III of the Highway Traffic Act (minimum lighting required) states in part 35(1)(c) that turn signal lights at the rear shall be red or amber and turn signal lights on the front shall be white or amber. In part 2.31(7)(c) of the Alberta Highway Traffic Act, the legal requirement again is that the turn signals on the front must be either white or amber and on the rear they must be red or amber.

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Side marker lamps 2 red; 2 amber 2 red; 2 amber J592e, July 1972.
.Turn signal lamps 2 red or amber; 2 amber 2 red or amber SAE J1395, April 1985.

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Turn signal lamps
At or near the front - 1 amber on each side of the vertical centerline, at the same height, and as far apart as practicable.

On the rear - 1 red or amber on each side of the vertical centerline, at the same height, and as far apart as practicable.
On the rear - 1 red or amber on each side of the vertical centerline, at the same height, and as far apart as practicable.
Not less than 380 mm (15 inches), nor more than 2 110 mm (83 inches

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Section 4 – Vehicle lights must meet the manufacturer’s original equipment specifications or the industry standards of the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE). Custom or after-market coloured lights are not allowed. This includes lights on equipment such as windshield wipers, vehicle hood, licence plate, under the vehicle, etc. Before buying after-market lights, look on the package to ensure they meet SAE standards.

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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
I have been tickets for this under Provincial law, I went to fight it, the day in court the RCMP Officierdecided to withdraw the provincial charges and file federal. I have seen in the federal regs where it limits front signals to Amber bulbs.

BTW... we don't have a "Highway traffic act" We have a Traffic Safety Act and a Vehicle Equipment Regulations.

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Yes the Alberta Eqiupment regs say white front signals are good...

But the feds do say no...
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/mvst...htm#_Toc%20S5.1
Scroll down quite a bit to TABLE I: REQUIRED MOTOR VEHICLE LIGHTING EQUIPMENT OTHER THAN HEADLAMPS

And Table 2:

Hmm I found this on Alberta Infrastrycture and Transportation: [/B]

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As defined by section 12 of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act, a Technical Standards Document (TSD) is a document that reproduces an enactment of a foreign government (e.g. a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard issued by the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration).

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This Technical Standards Document (TSD) specifies requirements for lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment fitted to new motor vehicles.

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An Act to regulate the manufacture and importation of motor vehicles and motor vehicle equipment to reduce the risk of death, injury and damage to property and the environment

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“regulation” means a statutory instrument

(a) made in the exercise of a legislative power conferred by or under an Act of Parliament, or

(b) for the contravention of which a penalty, fine or imprisonment is prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament,

and includes a rule, order or regulation governing the practice or procedure in any proceedings before a judicial or quasi-judicial body established by or under an Act of Parliament, and any instrument described as a regulation in any other Act of Parliament;

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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Alright, as far as I know, there's no restriction on how the light is emitted (filiment, diode, etc), as long as it meets the criteria of illumination (100m/30m etc). See the Vehicle Equipment Regulation and the Highway Traffic Act for details.

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General standards

4(1) The following standards respecting lamps on vehicles are adopted and apply to a light or lamp incorporated in or attached to a vehicle:

(a) section 108 of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada), including Technical Standards Document No. 108;

(b) the alternative standards adopted by section 108.1 of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada):

(c) SAE J583 Revised June 1993 applies to fog lamps marked SAE F;

(d) SAE J595 applies to warning lamps marked SAE W for emergency, maintenance and service vehicles;

(e) SAE J887 applies to warning lamps marked SAE W2 for school buses;

(f) SAE J845 applies to 360 degree emergency warning lamps marked SAE W3;

(g) SAE J1318 applies to 360 degree gaseous discharge lamps marked SAE W5;

(h) SAE J581 applies to driving lamps marked SAE Y.

(2) A lamp on a vehicle, wherever it is located,

(a) must comply with the appropriate standard under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) on the date it is attached to or incorporated in the vehicle, or

(b) must comply with the SAE standard applicable on the date on which the motor vehicle is manufactured.

(3) A lamp or replacement lamp on a vehicle complies with this section if it

(a) meets the manufacturer’s specification for the vehicle it is incorporated in or attached to, or

(b) has a mark or label on it that indicates in words or symbols that the appropriate standard has been met.

(4) A person shall not drive or operate a vehicle that has a coloured lamp unless the lamp is required or allowed by this Regulation.

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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
Ahhh here we go, the alberta equipment reg.. does state the federal TSD does apply, and that all my lights need to meet the requirement on the day my car was made.. err wait, it must comply with the standard onthe day it was "Incorperated" intot eh vehicle.... in installing bulbs is "incorperating" them into my car... hmmmmmm


But...
I'm pretty sure LED's don't meet the manufactures specification for this car, and I have yet to see LED bulbs with SAE or DOT markings on them...


Crappy..

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23(1) This section applies to a vehicle, other than a towed implement of husbandry, manufactured on or after January 1, 1971.

(2) One set of turn signal lamps on a vehicle that has turn signal lamps must comply with the following:

(a) they must be located at or near the front of the vehicle;

(b) they must be on the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable;

(c) when lit, they must emit white or amber light that is plainly visible from at least 250 metres ahead.

*NOTE: Emphasis by me

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(6) Wherever the word "filament" appears in this section, TSD 108 or an SAE standard or recommended practice, it may be read as "arc" where the requirement applies to a lamp in which light is produced by a gaseous discharge tube, or as "light-emitting diode junction" where the requirement applies to a lamp in which light is produced by a light-emitting diode.

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This Technical Standards Document (TSD) standard specifies requirements for original and replacement lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment fitted to new motor vehicles.

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Besides, they'd never get that court order. They'd need reasonable cause and sufficient evidence to justify taking your property in to test it, or there'd have to some form of legal precedent in place, which there isn't. Sure, they could perhaps set one, but then I'd go to court and argue about your rights and freedoms.

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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
Ohh:



The cop consficated them, he was going to impound my car, but instead made me spend over an hour on the side of the road in below -30 weather, on the highway, a good 60km from any town to take them out(I lucked out and still had the stock Amber signals in the glove box) He didn't even bring them to court, I got them back a week later. Court was in Westlock, I got them back from the Athabasca.

here's another pic, I love the LEDs inthis one:

And had I been driving around liek this, damn straight ticket me:


But this si what he probably saw when I drove buy

(Keep in mind in that pic the inner 2 headlights still have the blub 194s on, they came with the headlights, I later put cheep CT white LED's in - big mistake, they started to strobe so I tookthem out)

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