| EK9Hatch |
Hey guys, last month I got pulled over by the EPS and some bitch cop gave me a $115 fine for "excessive noise". The problem I have with this, is that I have a STOCK EXHAUST system on my car.
I have a 99 Civic hatch with a B16A2 Motor and a Full SiR stock OEM Honda catback exhaust. I'll admit, when the car hits vtec, you can hear the motor, but its not the type of noise that a fat can makes.
I looked all over this site and searched previous posts about this subject, but cant find the info I'm looking for. My court date is tomorrow and I was wondering if you guys could give me any tips on fighting this ticket.
I cant believe that I got a ticket for excessive noise when Harleys drive by all the time and make soooooo much noise compared to my car.
Any links of help at all would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Jamie |
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| Fish_e_o |
i think you got owned by a technicality...
they didn't give you an exhaust ticket.. they gave you a "your car is too loud" ticket... it's bull but worth trying to fight...
i would fight it on the basis that you aren't trying to be loud and haven't done anything to make your car louder...
that should be enough for at least a deduction..:dunno: |
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| Vive le Quebec |
oh man...if your car is entirely stock...
and you bought it from a dealership. i'd go into the dealership in a fit of rage...make them hand me $115 and then go get the ticket quashed and come out $115 ahead of everyone else.
haha, but i bet if you go plead not guilty and fight it with all the info you just gave us, then you'll get off...
however, if you're were driving like an idiot at 6500 RPMs and in fact making excessive noise...then the officer may have that in her notes. |
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| TrevorK |
I think all the tickets that I've seen here in the past (Like shawley's) were all about the muffler/exhaust being enlarged. This is probably why you're having such a hard time finding any helpful info, because for excessive noise I don't think there is any.
If you really don't think it's excessive, why not just show up to court and plead your case? Explain how it's the stock exhaust off of a newer Civic.
Personally, I have doubts that'll work, and I don't really know if there's much else you can do (Other than the officer not showing up, etc.). I'd just pay the ticket and go to work.... |
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| EK9Hatch |
Im just so pissed because like I said before, the car has a stock exhaust system. I would honestly rather loose $250 for not going to work, just to beat a $115 fine that I do not deserve at all.
It was a dumb bitch cop, and I hate that she wrote a ticket. In all honestly, if she was smart at all, I would have got a ticket for having my MOMO stearing wheel on my car. I have a 99 civic, which HAD a drivers airbag, now it doesn't and I know that is a fine.
But getting a fine over something like this is crazy. Do they not have to have some type of decibel reader to justify wants "excessive" and whats not? |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
But getting a fine over something like this is crazy. Do they not have to have some type of decibel reader to justify wants "excessive" and whats not?
A City Bylaw officer doesn't need a decibel reader to measure sound to give out a ticket, so I would doubt the EPS would either. It would all be based on the officer's discretion (Which is why it's imperative that they show up for a ticket like this). |
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| EK9Hatch |
Thanks for the help. Im going to try and fight it anyways. I'll let you all know what the outcome is tomorrow.
Jamie |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
If you get a shop/dealer to say it's an OEM setup, you've have to get the tech in who looked at it into court to testify to that.
what where the circumstances around this where you up in high RPM range? or where you just putting around?
Does the exhaust have any markings, like a Big honda logo? kinda like hoe borla and flowmaster have on the mufflers? If so maybe get your car on a hoist and take a pic, if you can witht he muffler and the plate in the same shot, then a close up of the exhaust, then maybe try to claim it's OEM, and propose that since it's OEM from Honda for a civic, that for Honda to meet federal requirements to sell it on a new car it should be within federal guidlines and as such, it shouldn't allow for excessive noise. |
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| Deep_Blue |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
Hey guys, last month I got pulled over by the EPS and some bitch cop gave me a $115 fine for "excessive noise".
Any links of help at all would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Jamie
Jamie,
If I were you I would start by not disrespecting the female officer that gave you a ticket by calling her a "bitch cop". I've been pulled over more times than I count and I've walked away with two tcikets. Getting a ticket is 50% about your attitude, and if you were disrespecting her then the way you are now, I'd've thrown a ticket your way faster than you would know. Not only that, but as a member of this forum I find that lack of respect for police embarrassing. It makes us all look bad when things like that are posted up here.
That's not to say that you should've received a ticket if everything is the way you say it is, but a good attitude helps a lot when working with officers.
You should've gone to a mechanic and had the exhaust certified as being within operating parameters for a stock system. Then you'd be fine. If your exhaust has any problems you'll still get the ticket because it is your responsibility to maintain your vehicle under law.
I guess we'll hear back on how you did with this tomorrow sometime.
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| EK9Hatch |
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Originally posted by Deep_Blue
Jamie,
If I were you I would start by not disrespecting the female officer that gave you a ticket by calling her a "bitch cop". I've been pulled over more times than I count and I've walked away with two tcikets. Getting a ticket is 50% about your attitude, and if you were disrespecting her then the way you are now, I'd've thrown a ticket your way faster than you would know. Not only that, but as a member of this forum I find that lack of respect for police embarrassing. It makes us all look bad when things like that are posted up here.
That's not to say that you should've received a ticket if everything is the way you say it is, but a good attitude helps a lot when working with officers.
You should've gone to a mechanic and had the exhaust certified as being within operating parameters for a stock system. Then you'd be fine. If your exhaust has any problems you'll still get the ticket because it is your responsibility to maintain your vehicle under law.
I guess we'll hear back on how you did with this tomorrow sometime.
Tim
I gave the officer no attitude at all. im 25 years old, not some ricer kid. But on the same coin, what she did, she had no right to do. Ask any of my friends, my car is one of the quitest civics around. My roomates stock 04 Infinity G35 Coupe is WAY WAY louder than my civic.
I kindly took the civic and told her I will see her in court. Also, you say that I have lack of respect that makes us all look bad? I have no idea what you mean by that. But I for one, have stopped going to 780 meets because just about everyone there acts inappropreate. Cars are ALWAYS doing burn outs and racing from one spot to another. So saying I make everyone look bad is a false statement by a long shot.
I called her a bitch cop because she had absolutely no reason to pull me over. I was no speeding, or breaking any other traffic law. She did a U turn in the middle of the road and pulled me over to give me a ticket for excessive noise when I have a stock civic SiR exhaust on my car...I think that justifies her being called a bitch. Just because she is a police officer, doesnt make her some kind of god. She is just a person like me, and if she acted like she did, I have the right to think she is a bitch and bias of people with imports.
Cops like her, I honestly do no have respect for. (I have respect ONLY for people that respect me) It doesnt mean I bad mouth them...because I already know, no good would come out of it, but lack of intelligence bothers me. Like I said earlier, if she wanted to give me a ticket, she should have noticed that I have a car that was equipped with a factory airbag in my steering wheel, which I removed to put on my Momo racing wheel. This, I know is illegal and I am willing to take a fine for.
But getting a ticket for nothing is something I feel I have the right to get angry about.
As for the comment about my RPM range, yes, I did hit VTEC in first gear...I was going about 30 kmph when she did the U turn....so I wasnt speeding by a long shot. It occured when I pulled away from a red light I was waiting to turn green.
Jamie
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Deep_Blue
Jamie,
If I were you I would start by not disrespecting the female officer that gave you a ticket by calling her a "bitch cop". I've been pulled over more times than I count and I've walked away with two tcikets. Getting a ticket is 50% about your attitude, and if you were disrespecting her then the way you are now, I'd've thrown a ticket your way faster than you would know. Not only that, but as a member of this forum I find that lack of respect for police embarrassing. It makes us all look bad when things like that are posted up here.
That's not to say that you should've received a ticket if everything is the way you say it is, but a good attitude helps a lot when working with officers.
You should've gone to a mechanic and had the exhaust certified as being within operating parameters for a stock system. Then you'd be fine. If your exhaust has any problems you'll still get the ticket because it is your responsibility to maintain your vehicle under law.
I guess we'll hear back on how you did with this tomorrow sometime.
Tim
All this is irrelevant. The regulations say nothing about things being stock. If he hit VTEC going 30 in an area with a lower speed limit(I'm not sure exactly where this happened, but if the speedlimit was 50 or 60 that's a bit excessive), than it could be fair.
You have to remember, excessive doesn't have anything to do with the components. You could get "Excessive Noise" for squeeling tires. Would you go to court and argue they're OEM tires? If it was anywhere large amounts of people gathered, say on White Ave, than it makes perfect sense.
Fact is, even you admitted your car is loud in VTEC. If you weren't in an industrial area or in the middle of nowhere, that's a fair ticket, whether the exhaust is stock or not. Excessive noise is excessive noise, no matter where it's coming from on your car, no matter what component is creating it.
Bear in mind too, she may have seen some civic, on a street packed with people, accelerate real quickly, make a boatload of noise, and figured that you were kinda "showing off". So she gave you a "learn your lesson" ticket. If that's the case, apparently you haven't.
But, you haven't given enough details for me to say whether or not you have a chance. Big factors will be time of day and location. Anything in the mid-to-late eve onwards until about 10AM, and anywhere with large groups of people or residential areas, and that's a fair ticket for any car that revs excessively high for no valid reason. Even a sunfire with stock everything would deserve it. |
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| stybscelica |
This is purly a case where your driving habit got you a ticket, Now there is absolutly no reason to hit Vtec in 1st gear. the extra power Vtec gives you is meant for 3,4 and 5th gear. NOT 1st or 2nd.
Now in court it is all how the officer testifies if it will be deemed "excessive"
If she testifies i was driving my PC on the road with the Window rolled up and radio on when i heard a loud vehicle which drew my attention to the (Such and such) color car approaching me in the opposing lane. the noise eminiating from this vehicle drowned out all radio noise inside my PC even with the windows rolled up. When i followed the vehecle under normal travelling conditions the vehicle was not producing excessive noise. When the vehicle left the light it was producing a loud noise indicative of driving at high rpm which was un nessissary and excessive.
If she's testifies like that your dead in the water.
I would highly reccomend getting a Honda tech to look at your vehicle a confirm the OEM muffler was still OEM and HE will have to attend court to testify for you. this is the only way you have a chance, and unless you have a good buddy that will take a day off of work your going to pay big bucks for one if you can get one to do that for you.
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| snugs |
I got one of those like two years ago, I paid mine because my car was LOUD (massive header leak). You should fight yours.
Do a search under my user name and "noise" and you'll find a whole pile of threads.
If I were you I'd go to court and plead either Not Guilty or Misadventure since you can probably make the officer look really bad on the stand if you want to.
The ticket is probably for 61(1) excessive noise right... well the only place that "excessive noise" is even remotely defined is in Part 3 of Bylaw 7255.
http://forums.780tuners.com/showthr...;highlight=7255
If, stybs suggests, she pulls that bs about your car drowning out the radio you can question her on what the volume of the radio was. Request the specific decibel value for the radio volume and inquire as to what training the officer has in determining decibel levels. If she actually tries to pull through on her story by giving values be sure you have a list of typical values and the accompanying sounds (like jet taking off, etc) and the text of the bylaw. |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by stybscelica
This is purly a case where your driving habit got you a ticket, Now there is absolutly no reason to hit Vtec in 1st gear. the extra power Vtec gives you is meant for 3,4 and 5th gear. NOT 1st or 2nd.
So cheers and drive like every other normal person.
First off.. VTEC was Engineered To produce More power in the High RPM Range were a Non-VTEC Cam Would Normally Die out. Thus, Keeping the powerband nominal in/at all RPM ranges.
Clearly It does Not Matter what Gear you're In For VTEC.. It's THERE To Produce Power, No Matter what gear you're in.
-On a side note.. You shouldn't even be seeing VTEC in 4th and 5th Gear on City Streets... By that time you'd be going 120km/h - 140km/h+
And Jamie DOES Drive like 'Every other Normal Person'.
In Fact.. he most likly Drives BETTER the Most 'Normal' people, Since 'Normal' People Can not handle a vehicle well.
Your Statement was Oblivious, and merely irrelivant...
Thanks for coming out,
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| EK9Hatch |
Thanks for snugs and Trevor for adding some useful comments.
Saying that I should drive like every other normal person is rediculous. I wasnt speeding by no means.
This happen at about 7:30pm on 178th street and stony plain. Also, for the comment about I shouldnt be hitting VTEC in 1st....why not? Am I supposed to wait until I reach the posted speed limit, then stomp on my gas and go 50 over the limit to hit VTEC? I went to about 5,200 RPM in 1st gear. From a stop to 5,200 RPM in a civic with a B16 happens pretty quick...I might not have even been going 30kmph.
As for the comment about it doesnt matter that the exhaust system is stock.....why then, do Harleys have no problems? I can honestly say that most Harleys are over 100 times louder than my civic.
Anyways, I'll find out today.
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| Soulfly |
| It says somewere in the books that you are supposed to accelerate as fast as you want/can from a light without loosing control or stunting.. :dunno: |
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| ehos |
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Originally posted by Soulfly
First off.. VTEC was Engineered To produce More power in the High RPM Range were a Non-VTEC Cam Would Normally Die out. Thus, Keeping the powerband nominal in/at all RPM ranges.
VTEC was engineered to provide fuel economy.
http://world.honda.com/environment/...nomy/index.html |
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| stybscelica |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
Thanks for snugs and Trevor for adding some useful comments.
Saying that I should drive like every other normal person is rediculous. I wasnt speeding by no means.
This happen at about 7:30pm on 178th street and stony plain. Also, for the comment about I shouldnt be hitting VTEC in 1st....why not? Am I supposed to wait until I reach the posted speed limit, then stomp on my gas and go 50 over the limit to hit VTEC? I went to about 5,200 RPM in 1st gear. From a stop to 5,200 RPM in a civic with a B16 happens pretty quick...I might not have even been going 30kmph.
As for the comment about it doesnt matter that the exhaust system is stock.....why then, do Harleys have no problems? I can honestly say that most Harleys are over 100 times louder than my civic.
Anyways, I'll find out today.
Jamie
Well you just solidified my comment, Please give me a reason for driving with RPMs exceeding 5000 in 1st gear when you can shift into second long before that with plenty of power to spare. The only reason to jump into Vtec as you say is more power to go faster. Whats your frigen hurry, your not driving on a race track and I certainly don't want to hear a vehicle next to me screaming away form a stop light regardless of speed. AND if your to lazy to shift before pistons start changing holes go buy and automatic and you won't get hasseled by the cops.
As for Stock harleys remember they have two thirds less pipe to eliminate or reduce noise not to mention no cat's to assist in noise reduction. So unless your car is two meters in length don't even try to compare to a bike.
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| EK9Hatch |
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Originally posted by stybscelica
Well you just solidified my comment, Please give me a reason for driving with RPMs exceeding 5000 in 1st gear when you can shift into second long before that with plenty of power to spare. The only reason to jump into Vtec as you say is more power to go faster. Whats your frigen hurry, your not driving on a race track and I certainly don't want to hear a vehicle next to me screaming away form a stop light regardless of speed. AND if your to lazy to shift before pistons start changing holes go buy and automatic and you won't get hasseled by the cops.
As for Stock harleys remember they have two thirds less pipe to eliminate or reduce noise not to mention no cat's to assist in noise reduction. So unless your car is two meters in length don't even try to compare to a bike.
cheers
I can compare a scooter to a Big block chevy if I want. Who cares whats making the noise, the topic at hand is exactly that...NOISE!
If a Harley is 100 times louder than my car, than that in itself, should warrant me not getting a ticket. Like I said many times, the exhaust system is stock.
As for me "reving" out 1st gear to 5,000 rpm, its a Honda...thats just over half way to red line. Its not like I was racing away from the street light. I have my revs up at 4-5 k all the time. Actually, thats my usual shift point.
When Im at the track racing, I shift at 8,000+ RPM.
Anyways, I asked for advice on what I should do to fight the ticket, not a lecture from a little boy.
Jamie |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
Thanks for snugs and Trevor for adding some useful comments.
Saying that I should drive like every other normal person is rediculous. I wasnt speeding by no means.
This happen at about 7:30pm on 178th street and stony plain. Also, for the comment about I shouldnt be hitting VTEC in 1st....why not? Am I supposed to wait until I reach the posted speed limit, then stomp on my gas and go 50 over the limit to hit VTEC? I went to about 5,200 RPM in 1st gear. From a stop to 5,200 RPM in a civic with a B16 happens pretty quick...I might not have even been going 30kmph.
As for the comment about it doesnt matter that the exhaust system is stock.....why then, do Harleys have no problems? I can honestly say that most Harleys are over 100 times louder than my civic.
Anyways, I'll find out today.
Jamie
Now hang on. Someone mentioned 61(1) of the Vehicle Equipment Regulations. Is that what you were charged under? I as under the impression it was 125(2) of the Alberta Highway Traffic or something similar.
If they charge is 61(1), all you need is to show that your exhaust does in fact cool the gases and expel them without flame or spark and without producing excessive noise. If your muffler DOES quiet the engine and complies with the other parts, it should meet the standards of 61(1).
The part I was talking about, where the muffler is absolutely irrelevant, is where the Alberta Highway Traffic Act says:
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No person shall create or cause the emission of any loud and unnecessary noise from a motor vehicle, any part of it, or any thing or substance that the motor vehicle or a part of it comes into contact with.
In that case, accelerating through VTEC during normal driving is not "necessary", and that's where you get dinged. A Harley complies with all vehicle standards when it's manufactured. The government has deemed Harley's are allowed to operate. So unless the driver does something "unnecessary", he will likely be louder than you were and still be ok.
As for "accelerating as fast as possible without losing control", I've never heard of such a thing. Accelerating too slowly, if it caused a hazard, could possibly be deemed to be "impeding traffic" or unsafe/hazardous driving, but you'd have to be accelerating really slow for that to happen I would think. Though everything is situation dependant.
So, if you were charged under 61(1) of the VER, then yes, having a functioning muffler that does what it's supposed to should be enough. You have, in essence, complied with that law. 125(2) of the HTA however, is a whole other matter. |
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| EK9Hatch |
It was 61(1) that I was charged with. I went today and have a court date in November. I guess we'll see what happens from there.
Jamie |
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| snugs |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
It was 61(1) that I was charged with. I went today and have a court date in November. I guess we'll see what happens from there.
Jamie
Cool, and you're right, it doesn't matter what makes the sound it's the volume of the sound that is relevant in this situation, which is why the Bylaw makes distinctions in allowable dB levels for the various vehicles. |
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| stybscelica |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EK9Hatch
I can compare a scooter to a Big block chevy if I want. Who cares whats making the noise, the topic at hand is exactly that...NOISE!
If a Harley is 100 times louder than my car, than that in itself, should warrant me not getting a ticket. Like I said many times, the exhaust system is stock.
You have to remember different classses of vehicles are required to follow different sets of equipment standards when it comes right down to it. Thats like trying to compare the noise from a garden tractor to the noise out of a Sport bike, Two diffeerent classes of vehicle as far as equipment standards go, but both are designated as motor vehicles under the TSA.
As for me "reving" out 1st gear to 5,000 rpm, its a Honda...thats just over half way to red line. Its not like I was racing away from the street light. I have my revs up at 4-5 k all the time. Actually, thats my usual shift point. thus my comment about your driving habits getting you a ticket, if you shift at around 3500 like most normal people you wouldn't have got a ticket or even been stopped in the first place.
When Im at the track racing, I shift at 8,000+ RPM. Good for you, the track is where you should be winding her open thats what the track is for.
Anyways, I asked for advice on what I should do to fight the ticket, not a lecture from a little boy.
well this little boy has forgottten more about the law than you'll ever know. If you wern't so jumpy defending your self like every other poser, i was giving you advise on how to figure out a stratagy, as well as giving you advise not to get another one. If this is the attitude you had with the B'tch cop now wonder you actually got the ticket. I can tell right now your were not respectfull because you conversation ended with i'll see you in court. To us Law Enforcemnt Professionals thats sounds like a challenge, :stickpoke and i love court time
Cheers and have fun in court because you aint getten any more help from me.
Geese try to give a guy some help and he goes off the deep end.:blink: |
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| ~sanj~ |
| well ur civic has an intake right? i know on civics intakes are all loud lol |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
| On the topic of comparing bikes to cars.. under the federal guide lines and testing procceedures, a bike can be 2db louder than cars... so if you sonsider that 3db is twice as loud........ |
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| shawley |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
A City Bylaw officer doesn't need a decibel reader to measure sound to give out a ticket, so I would doubt the EPS would either. It would all be based on the officer's discretion (Which is why it's imperative that they show up for a ticket like this).
when i looked at the law it says something liek 91 decibals and needs to be tested
so you can and should beat it |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by shawley
when i looked at the law it says something liek 91 decibals and needs to be tested
so you can and should beat it
Orly?
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Traffic Safety Act
(2) A person shall not do any of the following:
(f) drive a vehicle so as to perform or engage in any stunt or other activity on a highway that is likely to distract, startle or interfere with other users of the highway;
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Vehicle Equipment Regulation
61(1) A motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine must have an exhaust muffler that is cooling and expelling the exhaust gases from the engine without excessive noise and without producing flames or sparks.
(2) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if the exhaust outlet of the muffler has been widened.
(3) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if a device is attached to the exhaust system or the muffler that increases the noise made by the expulsion of gases from the engine or allows a flame to be ignited from the exhaust system.
(4) This section applies to a power bicycle that is propelled by an internal combustion engine.
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Use of Hughway and Rule of the Road Regulation of Alberta
82 A person shall not create or cause the emission of any loud and unnecessary noise
(a) from a vehicle or any part of it, or
(b) from any thing or substance that the vehicle or a part of the vehicle comes into contact with.
Guessing at what you think you may have read isn't a valid argument in court. He can't and should not beat it by going in and saying "It's quieter than 91 db and was never tested." Mistake of the law is only valid when there's grounds for confusion. That would be ignorance of, which is never a defence. This is how rumours get started. Next thing you know people start walking around saying "Hey, I heard somewhere 91db is the cutoff and cops have to check it." Time and time again I see people say "You don't have to do........" because they heard it or read it somewhere, and more times than not it's 100% false.
I used to get, "You're military police. You aren't a real cop." Says who? General opinion. The law is quite clear to show that, federally speaking, military police are 100% equal to their civilian counterparts. I see the flip side too. Where MP's have done things because the Criminal Code defines them as peace officers but where the act they're enforcing does not. Why? "I've always been told we're the same as regular cops." Yeah, meaning we can only enforce what we're empowered to enforce. Word of Mouth is a dangerous thing. Please don't spread falsehoods.
The only thing that makes him clear is that he was charged under the VER, which is the most leniant of them all. The VER says what equipment you MUST have, and says nothing of how the vehicle must be driven. If your muffler quiets the engine, you're clear under the VER.
If, however, it were a charge under the TSA or RoR, it'd be much harder. Is it necessary to accelerate into VTEC in normal driving? No, not at all. If doing so can cause a distraction or startle anyone, which let's be honest, exhaust noises can do, then it's not free and clear. Could the summons be changed in court to one of these regulations? Maybe, and at that point driving style, technique and vehicle performance will come into question. But as it stands right now, the VER is being 100% complied with. The muffler DOES reduce engine noise. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by shawley
http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulation...ENORP.DHPUME.66
Let me quote:quote:
Shall be so constructed that
We aren't building cars. But go deeper my friend. You can't just quote a regulation and claim it applies if you don't read the details of the enabling act. In this case, the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (says so at the top of the page you linked). Afterall, the link you provided says "every vehicle" in several places. So trains must comply? Aircraft? Huge shipping vessels? Nowhere in the page you provide does it limit or define what it's saying. So if you take that one regulation at face value without reading the enabling acts, then WestJet and CN Rail are breaking the law - their planes and trains are too loud.
The MVSA is specific. Read the introduction to the MVSA. quote:
An Act to regulate the manufacture and importation of motor vehicles and motor vehicle equipment to reduce the risk of death, injury and damage to property and the environment
Manufacture and import. Every section uses the term company. The act defines "a company".
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“company” means a person
(a) who is engaged in the business of manufacturing vehicles or equipment in Canada,
(b) who is engaged in the business of selling to other persons, for the purpose of resale by those persons, vehicles or equipment obtained directly from a person described in paragraph (a) or the agent of such a person, or
(c) who imports a vehicle or article of equipment into Canada for the purpose of sale;
It has nothing to do with private owners dealing with vehicles they have purchased. It applies only to factories, dealerships, aftermarket parts stores and anyone who deals with those. This act has been brought up before to argue things that people can't do to their vehicles after they've bought them, but it just doesn't apply.
If an act or regulation you're reading doesn't specifically state who it applies to, always dig deeper for the act or regulation that enables it to see who it does apply to. There's a lot of laws out there that only apply to specific groups, so watch out when you're reading up on these obscure laws. The key point is that EVERY act/regulation WILL, at some point, say in plain terms to whom it applies. If not, it's scope will be the same as it's enabling act/regulation, or the enabling act/regulation will outline what that specific regulation relates to. |
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