| whoishomer |
So I came to a 4 way stop. I got there just before a car to my left. So I had the right away, and was about to go. There was a pig behind the car to my left,. The pig suddenly swerved by him, and ran the stop sign, totally cutting me off. He didn't put on his lights or siren or anything. If I had started driving ( seeing as I had the right away) and hit the stupid pig, would I be at fault, seeing as I am a young male, and the pig is a pig?
Also nother question. If your driving and a cop pulls you over for speeding, because he 'thinks' you were speeding, but doesn't have any radar/laser to back it up, can he give you a ticket? |
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| McFly |
regarding the speeding a cop can give you a ticket based on an estimated speed;)
and for the crash i do not know because the circumstances in all crashes are a little differnt.
inssurance some times make fault 50/50 or 30/70:dunno: |
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| if an officer thinks you are speeding even though you arn't, you will get a ticket for speeding because that's what is in his mind. |
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| Bhodi |
should be the officers fault as he is not following the rules of the road and not yeilding to the car on his right.
until he puts his lights on in the control intersection he is just another vehicle and thus has to observe the rules of the road.
even if he had his lights on....he still has to come to complete stop at the intersection....and proceed thru the intersection after all the vehicles are stoped and yeilding to him... |
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| stybscelica |
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Originally posted by whoishomer
So I came to a 4 way stop. I got there just before a car to my left. So I had the right away, and was about to go. There was a pig behind the car to my left,. The pig suddenly swerved by him, and ran the stop sign, totally cutting me off. He didn't put on his lights or siren or anything. If I had started driving ( seeing as I had the right away) and hit the stupid pig, would I be at fault, seeing as I am a young male, and the pig is a pig?
Also nother question. If your driving and a cop pulls you over for speeding, because he 'thinks' you were speeding, but doesn't have any radar/laser to back it up, can he give you a ticket?
If you continue to Refer to a police officer as a pig, no one will ever give you respect or the proper answer.
"P" Professionalism
"I" Integrety
"G" Goal Oriented
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Originally posted by whoishomer
So I came to a 4 way stop. I got there just before a car to my left. So I had the right away, and was about to go. There was a pig behind the car to my left,. The pig suddenly swerved by him, and ran the stop sign, totally cutting me off. He didn't put on his lights or siren or anything. If I had started driving ( seeing as I had the right away) and hit the stupid pig, would I be at fault, seeing as I am a young male, and the pig is a pig?
Also nother question. If your driving and a cop pulls you over for speeding, because he 'thinks' you were speeding, but doesn't have any radar/laser to back it up, can he give you a ticket?
Wow, liberal use of the word pig, hey? You must be a gangster.
An officer does not have to have his lights/sirens engaged in order to "break" the law. However, without his lights and sirens on it's harder for him to "warn" other drivers of his intentions and command some form of yielding by them. Re: Little kid who was killed by an EPS officer in an unmarked on the Yellowhead.
Now, for your last question. The straight answer is yes. Look at your speeding ticket, there are numerous boxes they can select when issuing a ticket for speeding. One has radar/laser, but there is also clocked, estimated, etc. right? Estimated would be what he visually observed you doing. And if he can't really approximate what speed to write, there's always the generic, "Operate motor vehicle at unsafe speed"...that doesn't need an actual speed. You can even be going the speed limit on a really icy day and technically be issued one of those. |
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| whoishomer |
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Originally posted by stybscelica
If you continue to Refer to a police officer as a pig, no one will ever give you respect or the proper answer.
"P" Professionalism
"I" Integrety
"G" Goal Oriented
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LOL, so you mean I'll be treated the way pigs treat everyone else? |
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| sparkycivic |
the labour shortage affects all workforces, and aparently, the quality of the EPS' has not been able to escape this fact.
I say you should have let him hit you, then he could have been made into another example of the consequences of improper use of his emergency signalling devices. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
| Police cars don't have to have lights and sirens to break the law. |
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Originally posted by sparkycivic
the labour shortage affects all workforces, and aparently, the quality of the EPS' has not been able to escape this fact.
I say you should have let him hit you, then he could have been made into another example of the consequences of improper use of his emergency signalling devices.
this is not true. their standards are still the same, and trust me, there are more people applying than they can put in a class. it's still a very competitive process. one of the recruiting officers graduated MBA from the U of A...
i don't think quality will be hurt by the current recruiting campaign they're undertaking. they're ensuring the future safety of edmonton's streets by ensuring their vacancies will be filled well ahead of time. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
The last class was supposed to have 55 cadets in it.
It had 14.
Quality control much? |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by whoishomer
LOL, so you mean I'll be treated the way pigs treat everyone else?
That statement pisses me off. How many times have cops been unprofessional and discourteous in their encounters with you? I'm not talking about stories heard through friends, I'm talking through you? And during those encounters, where you polite and friendly or as rude as you are here?
You saw him go around the other car and through the intersection, and you had plenty of time to stop. You're asking about a hypothetical. I'll join in. How do you know that, had you proceeded to cross the intersection, the police officer wouldn't have stopped and yielded to you?
Bottom line is, you don't. For all you know, he approached the intersection safely, remaining behind traffic. He evaluated and determined he could proceed around that vehicle safely and begin to enter the intersection. And when you yielded to him, he continued on his way. Maybe he was responding to a silent alarm 3 houses away and lights alone might've alerted potential suspects.
The fact is, unless you're physically in that officers head, there's no saying what was going on. Maybe he was late for meeting his buddies at the T Ho's. Some jerks do stuff like that and make the rest of cops look bad, but we don't know.
Keep calling them pigs. Go ahead. Obviously you think that's warranted. Frankly, I could care less what you think of them, you should still at least respect the fact that they hold authority and treat them accordingly. I'd like to see you refrain from the childish name-calling, but you know what? As a soldier, I stood for your right to do that. As a police officer, I upheld your right to do that. And all these officers who put it on the line day in and day out, are ensuring you can chose to insult them and call them names if you want.
Honestly man, grow up if you can't handle leaving your disrespectful, ungrateful attitude out of a forum. Have you read the title of this forum? "Speak to your local law enforcement". Now tell me, why would local law enforcement want to talk to you with that mouth? Do you see Jimbo posting on here calling other people names? Think what you want but show some common courtesy. Don't accuse others of doing exactly what you're doing. Quit being a hyopcrite.
PS. As for your question about speeding tickets, you'd be hard pressed to find someone in that situation who wasn't actually speeding. In which case, I don't care about whether or not you can get out of it. If you commit the crime, pay the fine. A police officer can do anything he wants. Whether or not it's legal is another matter. You can speed, run red lights, race, whatever. But there are consequences. I say if you want to deal with the hassle of getting out of a ticket, waste your day, roll your dice and take the chance. Because with your attitude, I'm not telling whether or not something was done within the strict confines of regulations. |
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| whoishomer |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
That statement pisses me off. How many times have cops been unprofessional and discourteous in their encounters with you? I'm not talking about stories heard through friends, I'm talking through you? And during those encounters, where you polite and friendly or as rude as you are here?
You saw him go around the other car and through the intersection, and you had plenty of time to stop. You're asking about a hypothetical. I'll join in. How do you know that, had you proceeded to cross the intersection, the police officer wouldn't have stopped and yielded to you?
Bottom line is, you don't. For all you know, he approached the intersection safely, remaining behind traffic. He evaluated and determined he could proceed around that vehicle safely and begin to enter the intersection. And when you yielded to him, he continued on his way. Maybe he was responding to a silent alarm 3 houses away and lights alone might've alerted potential suspects.
The fact is, unless you're physically in that officers head, there's no saying what was going on. Maybe he was late for meeting his buddies at the T Ho's. Some jerks do stuff like that and make the rest of cops look bad, but we don't know.
Keep calling them pigs. Go ahead. Obviously you think that's warranted. Frankly, I could care less what you think of them, you should still at least respect the fact that they hold authority and treat them accordingly. I'd like to see you refrain from the childish name-calling, but you know what? As a soldier, I stood for your right to do that. As a police officer, I upheld your right to do that. And all these officers who put it on the line day in and day out, are ensuring you can chose to insult them and call them names if you want.
Honestly man, grow up if you can't handle leaving your disrespectful, ungrateful attitude out of a forum. Have you read the title of this forum? "Speak to your local law enforcement". Now tell me, why would local law enforcement want to talk to you with that mouth? Do you see Jimbo posting on here calling other people names? Think what you want but show some common courtesy. Don't accuse others of doing exactly what you're doing. Quit being a hyopcrite.
PS. As for your question about speeding tickets, you'd be hard pressed to find someone in that situation who wasn't actually speeding. In which case, I don't care about whether or not you can get out of it. If you commit the crime, pay the fine. A police officer can do anything he wants. Whether or not it's legal is another matter. You can speed, run red lights, race, whatever. But there are consequences. I say if you want to deal with the hassle of getting out of a ticket, waste your day, roll your dice and take the chance. Because with your attitude, I'm not telling whether or not something was done within the strict confines of regulations.
Hmmm, bad things cops have done. Got pulled over for "running a red light" Even though it wasn't red. Cop was bitching at me nicely. My girlfriend leaned over ( showing boobs somewhat) and said the light wasn't red. Cop said, oh, sorry, and left. Guess he just needed some boobs. Was in my friends car who was going well over the speed limit. She got stopped by a cop. She started crying, and cop let her go. A friend was a janator, who worked at the down town cop shop. Cop pulled a gun on him and put it right up to his back, as a "joke" My friend hates guns, and was totally freaked out.
The cop at the 4 way stop, went on the wrong side of the road, passed the car, didn't even yeild and the stop sign, just ripped through it.
Got pulled over for "not stopping" I was leaving a parking lot, came to a full stop at the stop sign, and turned right. Cop came around the corner and saw me just turning out of the parking lot. It was around 2am, and only place open was a liquor store. Cop pulls me over, and says I ran the stop sign. BS, there is no way he could see me. Next thing he asks me is where I have the liquor....not IF there is any liquor, or where I was coming from, just WHERE IS YOUR LIQUOR. I told him it was in the trunk, and all of the sudden he forgot that I "ran the stop sign" and let me go.
I've never had one good encounter with a cop. They all treat you with 0 respect, and nearly ever time I see a cop, they are running a stop, or a red, or pulling a uturn, or some shit.
As for the speeding ticket question, it was just a question. I have been driving for 10 years and thus far have gotten ZERO tickets... |
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| Thegnome |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by whoishomer
Hmmm, bad things cops have done. Got pulled over for "running a red light" Even though it wasn't red. Cop was bitching at me nicely. My girlfriend leaned over ( showing boobs somewhat) and said the light wasn't red. Cop said, oh, sorry, and left. Guess he just needed some boobs.
Let you off with a warning? What a jackass. He should be more polite and write you a ticket. Bitching nicely? That makes no sense, either he was nice, or he wasn't. If he was nice, do you want more respect than that? Incidently, you're story makes no sense. I can't see any cop bitching, then as soon as boobs show up just walk away. Two sides to every story, yours smells fishy.
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Was in my friends car who was going well over the speed limit. She got stopped by a cop. She started crying, and cop let her go.
Another warning? Damn these mean asshole cops. How do these jerks get through the screening process? Unbelievable. Was he rude and disrespectful, or are you just upset that a girl cried and got off? 'Cause really, this says nothing about a cop being unprofessional or showing a lack of integrity.
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A friend was a janator, who worked at the down town cop shop. Cop pulled a gun on him and put it right up to his back, as a "joke" My friend hates guns, and was totally freaked out.
So a cop, at a police station, made a joke that involved a gun. There's guns everywhere. Maybe not the funniest joke, but a cop in his own office. This doesn't apply at all to the public, but let's say for arguments sake that this is 1 unprofessional cop.
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The cop at the 4 way stop, went on the wrong side of the road, passed the car, didn't even yeild and the stop sign, just ripped through it.
There was no accident, so for all you know he deemed it safe to proceed and was correct, if it wasn't, he may have stopped. Just because he has no lights and sirens doesn't mean he isn't responding to something. He may not want to alert any suspects around.
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Got pulled over for "not stopping" I was leaving a parking lot, came to a full stop at the stop sign, and turned right. Cop came around the corner and saw me just turning out of the parking lot. It was around 2am, and only place open was a liquor store. Cop pulls me over, and says I ran the stop sign. BS, there is no way he could see me. Next thing he asks me is where I have the liquor....not IF there is any liquor, or where I was coming from, just WHERE IS YOUR LIQUOR. I told him it was in the trunk, and all of the sudden he forgot that I "ran the stop sign" and let me go.
You're telling me you never roll through stop signs? It is possible your stop wasn't full and complete. Furthermore, you HAD liquor, so maybe he saw more than you think he did. Maybe he had just gone around the block. You aren't in his head, why are you so quick to pass judgements? Also, maybe he didn't forget you ran the stop sign, maybe he was only going to give you another warning. Another jerk giving out warnings. I doubt he "forgot."
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I've never had one good encounter with a cop. They all treat you with 0 respect, and nearly ever time I see a cop, they are running a stop, or a red, or pulling a uturn, or some shit.
Yeah. In all the cases you mentioned they let you off with warnings. Complete A-holes. Even you said they were polite, and none of your stories, except 1, hint at anything even remotely unprofesional. I don't know what more you want. Seems to me you want to hate cops and have already decided they'll be treating you with disrespect, since in every case you prejudge them and bias your stories very obviously towards cop-hating.
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As for the speeding ticket question, it was just a question. I have been driving for 10 years and thus far have gotten ZERO tickets... [/B]
My answer is still the same regardless of how many you've gotten.
EDIT: read some of your older posts in dead threads. Interesting reading. You seem to be confused as to what police can and can't do and what rights you have and don't have. I'd suggest reading a book on law and the charter of rights and freedoms. Ignorance is not a defence and you really should know your rights. For the record, the cop doesn't pocket your fine, so they aren't buying donuts with it. That comes from the province/city, which is where part of your fines are going. So indirectly, yes they get some of it, but they get paid regardless of whether or not they issue tickets. Perhaps this is where your bitterness towards Law Enforcement comes from, a lack of education and knowledge. Maybe see if you can do a ride along, might do you well. |
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| whoishomer |
| You hear about the cop who tasered the 15 year old boy...and apparently 4 other people that day as well...another example of how wonderful our cops are!! |
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| Wolfdio |
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Originally posted by whoishomer
You hear about the cop who tasered the 15 year old boy...and apparently 4 other people that day as well...another example of how wonderful our cops are!!
...and the rest of the story is? Cops don't go around just tasing people off the street for no reason. Anyone can do what you just did, behold: "did you hear about how security at an airport took down a guy because he had a bottle with liquid in it? :eek: talk about power-hungry" right but the rest of the story is that the guy was planning on blow up a plane in flight and the liquid in the bottle was half of the bomb.
Just for discussion, I'm gonna talk about how the brown guy with "we will not be silenced" on his shirt at an airport was arrested for nothing. Ultimately yes, he did get arrested for nothing. Wearing a shirt isn't against the law but he could have saved himself a lot of headaches by not wearing that. He was in fact looking for trouble, that was his choice. |
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| whoishomer |
Ok, the rest of the story is, the 15 year old kid, was behind bars, being strip searched, and gave the cop some attitude...so the cop zapped him.
You can't tell me that a cop couldn't contain a 15 year old without having to resort to using a taser...
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| stybscelica |
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Originally posted by whoishomer
Ok, the rest of the story is, the 15 year old kid, was behind bars, being strip searched, and gave the cop some attitude...so the cop zapped him.
You can't tell me that a cop couldn't contain a 15 year old without having to resort to using a taser...
Well now we all know how unbelievably ignorant you really are. In my career as a Police officer, I have seen and dealt with many 15 year old boy's that are 6 foot tall, 180lbs and hopped up on crack. I dealt with one 14 year old that javlined a 6 foot length of 2x4 accross a double lane street and through the front window of his gf house. If any one is being uncooperative and resisting officers directions reguardless of age or size, the Use of Force Model all officers are requird to follow when deploying any type of Control whether phisical or mechanical is justified. Remember Officers have to go home to there families safe and uninjured. We don't play fair. You show up with fist a cop shows up with a stick, You show up with a knife, a cop shows up with a gun. You show up with a gun, your gonna get shot. Period |
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| whoishomer |
If you read my post, you would clearly see, that he was BEHIND BARS, and NAKED...
So your telling me, that a cop is no match for a 15 year old, naked, kid BEHIND BARS. So he has to taser him?
BS
Here is another example of Pigs at work:
"A city police sergeant said he felt sick after watching a fellow officer fire a Taser at two men as they lay sleeping in a room at the Cromdale Hotel in 2003.
Sgt. Blair Edl testified in provincial court Wednesday that police were searching for an armed robbery suspect described as an aboriginal male. The hotel's night manager directed officers to a room where they found three Caucasian men sound asleep. Edl said they posed no threat.
He went to open a window in the smelly suite when he heard a Taser go off, then turned to see Const. Jeffrey Resler pull the weapon away from a man on the bed. Resler then zapped another man lying on the floor.
"I felt physically ill in my stomach from what had just happened," Edl testified. "I couldn't see a reason for (the Taser's) use.""
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Judge Pat Kvill says Constable Todd Hudek abused his power by accusing, charging, detaining, strip-searching, convicting and punishing the boy before he was ever brought before the court.
She also says that punishing the boy was the job of the courts, not a police officer, and the officer used the Taser simply to punish the youth.
So yeah, your right, I am just a dumbass, and the cops are perfect...definately NO way in hell a cop could handle a sleeping man, or a naked 15 year old without tasering them...
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| stybscelica |
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Originally posted by whoishomer
If you read my post, you would clearly see, that he was BEHIND BARS, and NAKED...
So your telling me, that a cop is no match for a 15 year old, naked, kid BEHIND BARS. So he has to taser him?
BS
If the teen was showing fists and making physical gestures of becoming assaultive, absolutly i would have lit him up like a christmas tree. You ever tried to hold on to or wrestle somebody naked. Probly not becuase you've never had a GF. LOL Buts it like trying to hold on to a slimmy fish that weight 150lbs. Aint gonna happen.
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| whoishomer |
And the sleeping men, you'd have to taser them as well right, because who knowes, they might wake up and decide to go after you....
I'm glad the courts don't agree with you, and are punishing the cops...
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| stybscelica |
quote:
Originally posted by whoishomer
If you read my post, you would clearly see, that he was BEHIND BARS, and NAKED...
So your telling me, that a cop is no match for a 15 year old, naked, kid BEHIND BARS. So he has to taser him?
BS
Here is another example of Pigs at work:
"A city police sergeant said he felt sick after watching a fellow officer fire a Taser at two men as they lay sleeping in a room at the Cromdale Hotel in 2003.
Sgt. Blair Edl testified in provincial court Wednesday that police were searching for an armed robbery suspect described as an aboriginal male. The hotel's night manager directed officers to a room where they found three Caucasian men sound asleep. Edl said they posed no threat.
He went to open a window in the smelly suite when he heard a Taser go off, then turned to see Const. Jeffrey Resler pull the weapon away from a man on the bed. Resler then zapped another man lying on the floor.
"I felt physically ill in my stomach from what had just happened," Edl testified. "I couldn't see a reason for (the Taser's) use.""
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Judge Pat Kvill says Constable Todd Hudek abused his power by accusing, charging, detaining, strip-searching, convicting and punishing the boy before he was ever brought before the court.
She also says that punishing the boy was the job of the courts, not a police officer, and the officer used the Taser simply to punish the youth.
So yeah, your right, I am just a dumbass, and the cops are perfect...definately NO way in hell a cop could handle a sleeping man, or a naked 15 year old without tasering them...
i'm not even gonna go there with this one, you have your opinion and we will all see how far you get in life, Have a good one.
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by whoishomer
You hear about the cop who tasered the 15 year old boy...and apparently 4 other people that day as well...another example of how wonderful our cops are!!
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So yeah, your right, I am just a dumbass, and the cops are perfect...definately NO way in hell a cop could handle a sleeping man, or a naked 15 year old without tasering them...
Who said they were perfect? We're just saying they aren't all complete jackasses. Are some cops bad? Oh hell yeah, haven't you heard of Serpico? There always were and always will be dirty cops, but police forces try hard to weed them out and get rid of them. My grandfather quit his police department because it was too corrupt for him. It happens. I agree with you 100% if you're saying some cops are bad and do bad things. If disagree with you if you say cops deserve to be disrespected and called names because some of them are bad.
An elementary school teacher slept with one of her pre-teen students. Went to jail. Got out, did it again, got pregnant, went to jail, got out and married him. Man teachers are disgusting creatures.
Now and then the pilot of a commercial airliner is found drunk in the cockpit. Pilots are absolutely horrible, look at all the lives they endanger.
Some Christian sects believe white people are superior to other races and engage in hate crimes. Christians are evil.
A few arabs crashed planes into buildings, arabs are the most vile things on the planet.
You see what I'm getting at? Do cops do bad things? Sometimes, yes. There are bad apples in every job. THat's why I asked YOU about YOUR experiences with cops. And oddly enough, you couldn't name 1 thing that was actually bad (with the possible exception of a story your friend told you, which doesn't really count as happening to you).
My point is why are you so judgemental specifically towards cops? The answer seems to be simply because you don't like them. For no reason. Tell me what job you do, and I bet I can find cases of people in your line of work treating people badly. Does that mean you're a bad person? No, you're just judgemental and hypocritical for demeaning an entire group for the actions of a few but not demeaning every group.
But let's talk about the tasered boy. Like the cop who went through the stop sign, are you in his head? Maybe he's under a lot of stress at home and that kid was really rotting his socks. Have you ever been in a fight? At school or anything? Ever punched someone? Now, if you were cop, that would be splattered all over the papers and you'd be told what a dispicable person you are.
The problem is, as a police officer, despite what someone does or says, they are never allowed to "deserve it." I punched a man who was handcuffed once. He wasn't running, he wasn't fighting, he smiling smugly when my fist broke his jaw and nose. I was severely reprimanded in public for my actions (though got lots of hand shakes in private, even from the judge), but thankfully the military system didn't allow him to run free on technicalities. Had I been a civilian cop, he might have gotten off.
But you drive in a car with a guy for 3 hours who goes on constantly about molesting and sleeping with kids. And I mean kids, 4 and 5 years old. You listen to him talk about how if you could you'd do it too. Make comments about kids as you drive by them. Go into disgusting detail about how they're so tight and bleed. Then get out of the car, have your 5 year old cousin waiting for you to take her for ice cream across the barricade in the civilian parking area while you walk him in to jail and have him tell you when he gets out he's going to take her virginity and stand there and do nothing.
Those are facts the public CAN'T know, because in the case of a jury trial, it may bias their opinion. You, therefore, would call me a disrespectful pig for hitting a man with no reason, and I think it's fair to say I reacted the way most people would. I would also say that as a police officer I should be held to a higher standard and shouldn't have done it, but that hardly makes me a bad person. Besides, I paid the man restitution. I "payed the fine" for what I'd done, just like civilians do when they pay their tickets.
So maybe that 15 year old boy did something to "deserve" being tasered. Or maybe the cop was a bad apple. Don't just a book by it's cover, and definately don't judge one before you've walked a mile in it's shoes, which is why I think a ride-along might be helpful. You can see firsthand just how stressful that job can be. Think or believe anything you want, but don't come asking for help by referring to law enforcement as pigs if you want the opinion of anyone here who has any idea whatsoever of what they're talking about.
If you want to judge people based on their occupation, take a hard look at your coworkers. And better yet, look hard at yourself. I'm sure you aren't perfect either. Stop assuming you know all the facts, because you've never been in those situations, you don't have their training, and it's obvious from past posts and this one that you lack any firm knowledge of not only the law but your very own rights and freedoms.
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Nice post.
I think a problem is that people always think they can "get away with it".
Now, I'm not a cop, but I do carry a sidearm and usually walk around with a shitpot of cash, so I get things said to me every day. Every single day. Think about that. I take shit and abuse from the general public everyday simply because I wear a uniform and carry a gun.
I was at a 7-11 in Fort Mac and dragged a 15 year old kid out by his hair. Why? He was reaching for my partner's gun. I grabbed him as fast as I could and through him on the floor. I tossed him outside and the first words out of his mouth were "what the fuck?"
I asked him what he meant by what the fuck? I told him that if he had of laid a hand on that gun, he probably wouldn't be talking to me right now. Think before you act. Think hard...
Another 7-11 (there's a theme here, apparently) in Fort Saskatchewan I was walking out after buying a Pepsi, and three guys were standing there. One guy made a gun out of his fingers and pretended to pull it out of his pants. Normally, I'd ignore this and just keep walking, but I was working a double and was tired and just not in the mood for working. So I turned on the group and called them out. I asked him where the gun was. I said "You got one? Pull it." Of course, they back off, embarrased that their joke has backfired. I said "I'm sick of people like you. Trying to be funny, being stupid like that." He told me it was just a joke. I told him that it sure won't be funny when he does that to someone having a really bad day and he got his face punched in.
One of my good friends on the job ran into four guys in a bank lobby (where the ATMs are) at night in Camrose. The guys asked him if he'd ever been robbed. He asked why. The guy replied that he had a gun. He then reached behind his back. Legally, and technically, he could have been killed. Our Use of Force states that at that point, my friend could have pulled his sidearm and shot him. He didn't. He told him not to be stupid and the guy, again, said he was just joking.
Me? I probably would have drawn on him. There's no way I'm waiting to see the gun before I pull mine. He says he has one and starts reaching for it, why would I think such a fine upstanding citizen would lie to me?
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| whoishomer |
Yeah, I would imagine, it would be hard to tell apart a sleeping white guy, from a indian robber....better zap them just to be sure...
I mean, the cop might have been having a bad day, so its understandable.
One of the things about being a cop, your NOT aloud to have a bad day. Thats part of your job, if you can't handle it, then quit.
And of course I realize not all cops are bad, but Edmonton seems to have more then its fair share of bad apples, which unfortunately causes the good ones to get a bad name as well.... |
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| Bad Egg |
To answer your origninal post: The cop likely got a call, saw that you were stopped, and took off because he assumed that you probably were not stupid enough to drive into the side of the police car. The lights and siren may not have been warranted in such a location, or because of the nature of the call.
"Right of Way" is commonly misunderstood. It gives you the "Right" only if the intersection is clear. If you take off from a stop sign when a car is already in the intersection, you have no "Right". This may have annoyed you to have to wait a few seconds, or because you already are predisposed to hate the police, but if you look at it objectively there really was no big deal.
As for speeding without radar or "pacing"(clocking you on their speedo for a specified distance), yes, they can give you that ticket, but few will. It is one of those that is more difficult to prove in court, and nobody wants to lose in court.
A couple of other points from your posts; You can get a ticket for running a light even if it isn't red. You are supposed to stop on the yellow, a fact that seems to have escaped many in our fair city. It is a judgement call by an officer as to if you could have safely stopped in time. The red light camera works differently, it only tickets red violations because it avoids any disputes(see above paragraph).
Secondly, your getting stopped by the liquor store for running a stop sign was obviously just a "just cause" excuse for stopping you for a possible liquor violation. Your liquor was stored correctly, so you were let off. The officer obviously did not care about the failing to stop, and you must know he was just building the groundwork for any possible liquor/impaired prosecution.
I have zero problems with police enforcing liquor and impaired driving laws. You are right that some members of the EPS abuse their position, and they should be dealt with appropriately, but your "pig" mentality is just reinforcing the us vs them antangonism that you are complaining so much about. I have adopted a respectful attitude to the officers and their job and it has usually been repaid in kind, so you may want to try to soften the judgement a bit and give that a try yourself. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by whoishomer
Yeah, I would imagine, it would be hard to tell apart a sleeping white guy, from a indian robber....better zap them just to be sure...
I mean, the cop might have been having a bad day, so its understandable.
One of the things about being a cop, your NOT aloud to have a bad day. Thats part of your job, if you can't handle it, then quit.
And of course I realize not all cops are bad, but Edmonton seems to have more then its fair share of bad apples, which unfortunately causes the good ones to get a bad name as well....
Where did you get that from? Did I say it was understandable? No, I said it wasn't. But I said you aren't in their head. I also said they may be bad apples, so there's no need for you to open up like I said it was alright, or the guy after me who didn't.
Quit being such a prick and read what people say, not what you want them to say you can be an assclown in your replies.
So, now suddenly people can't have bad days because they're cops? I have news for you, if normal citizens are allowed to have extenuating circumstances, so can police officers. In fact, the law allows for that. Does that mean punching people or tasering them for no reason? No. But don't sit there and say cops aren't allowed to have bad days. That's just hypocritical.
How about this, I apologize police aren't like robocop. They aren't machines programmed without bias or emotions. I'm sorry you wish they were. The fact still remains that YOUR personal dealings with cops have been nothing but exemplary, so YOU really have no reason to bemoan them. I bet you the cop the tasered the sleeping suspects WAS punished and reprimanded, I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his job and went to jail, or paid a hefty fine, just like any civilian would. What do you want? You think there's a screening process that ensures bad apples don't get hired?
C'mon man, get off your high horse. Quit acting like you've never done things wrong. And if you have, don't judge others. Have you ever cut someone off to catch an exit you forgot? When you first started driving did you make mistakes and do things that weren't so great? I call bullshit if you say you've always been perfect, so quit pointing the finger at others. You're acting like YOU were tasered in your sleep. |
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| GT34 |
whoishomer = :asshole: I'm my 7 years of driving I've never been pulled over. They must have something agaisnt douchebags because I can't think of anyother reason why you'd have so much trouble with them. Maybe it's because you're a douchebag. Keep bitching about it douchebag and beating down cops just so everyone can see what a douchebag you are.
FYI: if you and the cop would have collided, you would have been in the right regardless if the cop was lights and sirens. Hope you can sleep better at night, even though you're still a douchebag :thumbup: :drama: |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by GT34
whoishomer = :asshole: I'm my 7 years of driving I've never been pulled over. They must have something agaisnt douchebags because I can't think of anyother reason why you'd have so much trouble with them. Maybe it's because you're a douchebag. Keep bitching about it douchebag and beating down cops just so everyone can see what a douchebag you are.
FYI: if you and the cop would have collided, you would have been in the right regardless if the cop was lights and sirens. Hope you can sleep better at night, even though you're still a douchebag :thumbup: :drama:
That's not entirely true. The argument would be the police officer failed to yield right of way, but in actuality, the emergency vehicle (in the case you mention with lights and siren) actually has the right of way, so the other cars failed to yield. It's all situational. There's no defined answer, just rules of thumb. The person breaking the law, the person turning left or the person that crashes into the back of another is USUALLY found at fault, but it all depends.
If a cop, or anybody, runs a stop sign, and there's a collision, and there's a chance the other person reasonably should have seen it and been able to avoid, they may be assessed partially at fault. In the case of a police car, and if you do what SparkyCivic said and you encourage it to happen, you could be found wholly at fault.
Also, what Bhodi said was incorrect. An officer does not need to come to a full and complete stop with lights and sirens, he need only ensure it's safe. They'll slow down, and if it's uncertain if cars will yield or not, they stop and see. But if it's clear there's nothing going on, there's no requirement that they stop. |
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| Bhodi |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
That's not entirely true. The argument would be the police officer failed to yield right of way, but in actuality, the emergency vehicle (in the case you mention with lights and siren) actually has the right of way, so the other cars failed to yield. It's all situational. There's no defined answer, just rules of thumb. The person breaking the law, the person turning left or the person that crashes into the back of another is USUALLY found at fault, but it all depends.
If a cop, or anybody, runs a stop sign, and there's a collision, and there's a chance the other person reasonably should have seen it and been able to avoid, they may be assessed partially at fault. In the case of a police car, and if you do what SparkyCivic said and you encourage it to happen, you could be found wholly at fault.
Also, what Bhodi said was incorrect. An officer does not need to come to a full and complete stop with lights and sirens, he need only ensure it's safe. They'll slow down, and if it's uncertain if cars will yield or not, they stop and see. But if it's clear there's nothing going on, there's no requirement that they stop.
ever since the incident on Yellowhead Trail a year ago with the kid in the Tempo, EPS have changed their policy in regards to crossing interections on red light. The police unit is now required to come to complete stop and wait till all the vehicle have stoped before it proceeds thru the intersection on the red light. |
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| dtjohnst |
| That's one of the dumbest policies I've ever heard of. Trying to outrun a cop? Just cross through lots of intersections. Obviously the OP shows they aren't quite following it either. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by Bhodi
ever since the incident on Yellowhead Trail a year ago with the kid in the Tempo, EPS have changed their policy in regards to crossing interections on red light. The police unit is now required to come to complete stop and wait till all the vehicle have stoped before it proceeds thru the intersection on the red light.
I've seen lots of cruisers bust red lights... I think the only department with anything close to that policy is the FD, since a Fire Unit running reds and hitting something would do a ton of damage. Even then, if they can see, I've seen em go through red lights at a pretty good pace. |
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| Bhodi |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
I've seen lots of cruisers bust red lights... I think the only department with anything close to that policy is the FD, since a Fire Unit running reds and hitting something would do a ton of damage. Even then, if they can see, I've seen em go through red lights at a pretty good pace.
just because something is a policy doesnt mean its being followed.....cops are human after all and just like some roll thru stop signs, they roll thru intersection with their lights on |
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| GT34 |
When everyone on the road is paying attention when an emergency vehicle is going lights and sirens there aren't any problems, and there usually isn't like in whoishomer's case. However it's still an emergency vehicle that has something more important to do than what you're doing on the road and as such should be given the respect and courtesy it deserves.
It's when people (including emergency personel) who aren't paying attention when shit happens. I've seen cops all of a sudden turn their lights on in traffic and go through red lights. Why? because they're responding to a serious call they happened to recieve while working in their cruiser in traffic. They're just doing their jobs. Cops deal with a lot of shit and never get the respect they deserve. I'm talking about traffic still so lets not stray onto another topic of policing. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by GT34
When everyone on the road is paying attention when an emergency vehicle is going lights and sirens there aren't any problems, and there usually isn't like in whoishomer's case. However it's still an emergency vehicle that has something more important to do than what you're doing on the road and as such should be given the respect and courtesy it deserves.
It's when people (including emergency personel) who aren't paying attention when shit happens. I've seen cops all of a sudden turn their lights on in traffic and go through red lights. Why? because they're responding to a serious call they happened to recieve while working in their cruiser in traffic. They're just doing their jobs. Cops deal with a lot of shit and never get the respect they deserve. I'm talking about traffic still so lets not stray onto another topic of policing.
Well said. And don't forget, failing to yield right of way to an emergency vehicle of any kind is a more expensive fine than failure to yield to a non-emergency vehicle. For good reason, people could be hurt or dieing, they might be on their way to save lives, and you getting the milk home on time or not being fired for being late to work for the 7th time takes a back seat to saving lives. |
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| GT34 |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Well said. And don't forget, failing to yield right of way to an emergency vehicle of any kind is a more expensive fine than failure to yield to a non-emergency vehicle. For good reason, people could be hurt or dieing, they might be on their way to save lives, and you getting the milk home on time or not being fired for being late to work for the 7th time takes a back seat to saving lives.
Yeah, people don't get the big picture of things and have no clue about what's going on. |
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