| fugumerkur |
GOt a laser radar ticket. Here is the issue.
I was doing the speed limit and decided to drop a gear accel quickly let the BOV go then brake back down to speed limit again. I was ticketed for the peak speed.
its not a huge ticket , its my own stupidity but can I fight it.?
I don't like demerits and would rather not have them! |
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| RS13 |
Ricer
Basicly you sped up, got caught, now pay the fine. |
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| dtjohnst |
| Peak speed is a valid ticket. You DID speed. Fight if you want, but I doubt you'll get a break. The law doesn't look kindly on speeding to look/sound cool. |
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| fugumerkur |
yeah thanks for the input, dont call me a ricer though, I resent that.. and the fine is only 166 so its not a biggy.. Thinking if I had the option of saying, I was doing the speed limit, but accelerated to get around something and was clocked at "such " speed. but I was cruising at the limit.
How fast do you have to go to pass someone on the highway?? faster than the speed limit and thats a judgement call to get into oncoming traffic. |
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| dtjohnst |
| You aren't legally allowed to speed to pass traffic, so that excuse doesn't hold either. |
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| fugumerkur |
dammit. oh well. :mad: I don't usually speed and I am a courteous driver. Dammit. Nice guys finish last!
I will say, very nice police officer.! The guy was totally cool, I probably could have struck up a conversation and had coffee with the guy . Nice to see a positive attitude like his in the force.
166 isn't too bad to pay anyway,
I didn't think I could really fight it but just mad at myself for being stupid enough to get one.! |
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| Tech2 |
Busted!
I still rememeber this situation from my learner's liscence test. You are NOT allowed to break the speed limit to pass, or for any other reason (but if the aliens or taliban is attacking you might get a break).
Bad timing dude. Glad to hear the officer was cool. |
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| fugumerkur |
yeah , I kept in mind from other peoples posts too, this guy is just doing his job, I said hi in a happy kind voice, had my keys on the dash and licence registration and insurance all their ready for him! Make his job easier and he makes my ticket less dollars!
I think I got a deal on my ticket anyway , 166 for doing 78 in a 50 zone.
it could have been a lot worse.
only other ticket I got was for passing a cop doing less than 80 on the whitemud.! that one was 125 for doing a clocked 110 in an 80 zone, ( no way in hell I was doing 110 on the whitemud infront of a cop)
I also didn't have my insurance pink slip. but fought that in court because I had a letter stating that my insurance was renewed and the slip was in the mail and actually arrived that day.. |
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| GOT BOOST |
quote:
Originally posted by fugumerkur
GOt a laser radar ticket. Here is the issue.
I was doing the speed limit and decided to drop a gear accel quickly let the BOV go then brake back down to speed limit again. I was ticketed for the peak speed.
its not a huge ticket , its my own stupidity but can I fight it.?
I don't like demerits and would rather not have them!
Hi fugumerkur
You could always call POINTS and see what they can do. $166.00 for a fine is inexpensive and a drop in the bucket. Depending if and how many infractions you have on your record, your insurance may be effected. I know with my insurance I have one "Freebie" every few years. If your insurance will not jump and the cost of POINTS to fight the ticket are higher, I would just pay the ticket. Afterall it is only a few demerits and after a few years of clean driving it will fall off. Check which option is more economically in your favour.
The officer doing the radar does not know if you were going to hold that "peak speed", slow down, or were travelling that speed before. So you have to see it from their point of view too as they do not know your intentions.
As it was mentioned in here it is illegal to pass at more than the posted speed limit, however from my observations of passing and being passed, many people will pass faster sometimes much faster than the speedlimit. But if you get caught, as dtjohnst mentioned, I doubt the Police or RCMP will let you off the hook easily.
Speeding on city roads is a fruitless effort, as the chances of getting a ticket are good, and the lights are seldom timed in your favor. The way I see it is you burn more fuel to fight for pole position at the lights and arrive a few seconds before everyone else. :lol: Not worth the hassle in my opinion.
Good to see the Merker is up and running strong! :D
Hope this helps,
Mike |
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| baker_jeff |
| I'm still waiting for a cop to bust me when I get in one of my "romp on it in 2nd and 3rd with open downpipe" moods. :cool: |
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| fugumerkur |
thanks Mike, very informative. I did get a ticket last year and that was last october for passing a police "van" on the whitemud. but over that year my insurance went down 15 dollars..
I will look into talking to points and if I can just show up at court and mention what my driving intentions were and that I have no photoradar tickets in my 5 years of driving and so on . My only other ticket was actually seeing if I could pass a police officer on the freeway.
hopefully but fully doubting it I can arrange to pay the fine and possibly have the demerits revoked. If thats possible I will be happy, yes I deserved the fine, but with my clean driving record I would like to do without the demerits. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by baker_jeff
I'm still waiting for a cop to bust me when I get in one of my "romp on it in 2nd and 3rd with open downpipe" moods. :cool:
They wouldn't bother... you'd be doing what, 60, 70 km/h by then?
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| SilverNeonRacer |
I once passed a cop(it was a ghost car) on some side road west of Edmonton, yet still in Edmonton... The lines said I could pass, so I did, turns out it was a little close to an intersection, I did a doulbe pass and got back in before the lines said I couldn't pass, I pulled in right in front of the ghost, I think it was an 70 or 80 zone, I got up to 110/120 passing.
His issue wasn't the speed(no radar) but that I passed that close to an intersection, I explained the lines said I could so I pulled out enough to check traffic, saw none so I pulled out all the way and hte guy behind me closed the gap so I lost my spot and had no choice but to complete the pass... heh I think he was a detective, older guy in a suit. He threatened me about my plate cover, then when I took it off he was a little more cranky so he did this full burnout 300degree U type turn and took off hehe.
but on topic, I thought if you caught up to somebody doing say 99 in a 100 zone ther +5/-5 rule applied, you could go 105 and they should slow down 5 to let you pass. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
They wouldn't bother... you'd be doing what, 60, 70 km/h by then?
:p
I dunno bout a honda, but a neon will do 80/85 in 2nd and up to 140 in 3rd....(in a 5spd) |
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| Thegnome |
| Only 85 in second? What rpm is that at? Not that my 100k is much more...I'm just curious. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
You guys obviously missed the sarcasm and jibe at Jef..
My car will do 82 in second... mph, that is. ;) |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
quote:
Originally posted by Thegnome
Only 85 in second? What rpm is that at? Not that my 100k is much more...I'm just curious.
I dunno, I rarely do that heh, it says for best performance shift at 80 out of 2nd.... I should take the neon for a little rip eh? I know the manual says shift from 4th to fifth at 177 for best performance :P and 3rd is 120, I'd have to see what she'd actually do, rev limiter is 7250. |
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| fugumerkur |
80/85 in second!!!
I was still in the city, I wasn't racing anyone :lol: Im sure I could get the car up to a good clip in second gear by the time it hit 6000rpm. but then I would get a more expensive ticket.!! |
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| McFly |
since we are on the topic my car does 113 km/h in second:)
and its a 1.925 with a 4.111 rear end:D |
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| 95EagleAWD |
131 km/h in 2nd. :D
My tach won't keep up with the engine in first, either. I've bashed it off the limiter a few times. |
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| dtjohnst |
quote:
Originally posted by fugumerkur
yeah , I kept in mind from other peoples posts too, this guy is just doing his job, I said hi in a happy kind voice, had my keys on the dash and licence registration and insurance all their ready for him! Make his job easier and he makes my ticket less dollars!
I think I got a deal on my ticket anyway , 166 for doing 78 in a 50 zone.
it could have been a lot worse.
only other ticket I got was for passing a cop doing less than 80 on the whitemud.! that one was 125 for doing a clocked 110 in an 80 zone, ( no way in hell I was doing 110 on the whitemud infront of a cop)
I also didn't have my insurance pink slip. but fought that in court because I had a letter stating that my insurance was renewed and the slip was in the mail and actually arrived that day..
$166 is the fine for 28 over, so you didn't really get any slack in that respect.
I'll add one thing to the whole "having the insurance and registration ready" thing, and this isn't a jab on you, just something I'd like to point out. Something people don't consider is that sometimes being a cop pulling people over can be nerve wracking. Are they digging around looking for their registration or getting out a gun? Some cops worry about it more, less than others, but following a few simple rules will make life easier on the cop and therefore might make him go easier on you.
1st off, don't rummage when you're pulled over. Try and keep your glove box organized so you know where your papers are. Then when he asks, it takes seconds to get them out. It saves you rummaging around and possibly making the cop nervous. If at all possible, keep both hands on the steering wheel, in the 10 and 2 oclock positions, or preferably both at 12 oclock. This is so your hands are in plain view the whole time. Nothing gives a peace officer the warm fuzzies then pulling a guy over in the middle of night and seeing hands.
On that note, if it's dark out, consider turning on the interior light as soon as you shut off your car (and yes, shut off your car once you've stopped and you're sure that he's pulling you over and not going by). Again, it makes it easier for him to see your hands and what's going on inside the car, and really does help him read your licence and registration when you hand it to him.
And lastly, DON'T remove your seatbelt. This has nothing to do with possibly getting a ticket for having it off, though that is possible, but again, it gives the officer the warm fuzzies. He knows you don't have a gun behind your back, or under your seat, and that you don't plan on jumping out and running because you're keeping yourself restrained. If you know you'll have to remove your seatbelt to get out your licence or something, remove it when he asks to see them. By then your interior light is on, he's seen your hands, and he can watch what you do, if he chooses to be cautious.
9 times out of 10, these things won't matter because the officer will view it as a routine stop. But if for any reason the hairs on his neck are standing up, these will give him peice of mind. It also makes you seem like an organized, concerned and professional motorist, which gives an officer all the more reason to think a warning will be sufficient and you aren't a habitual speeder or whatever. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
| Toss your keys on top of your dash too, so the cop can see 'em. Another "I'm not taking off on you" thing. |
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| fugumerkur |
tHATS what I did! I had my papers ready, on my dash, window down, car off keys on dash with papers stereo off and hands on the wheel. I show the cop respect he won't hassel me for not having badges on my car, or the fact that my registration is for a black car and now the car is silver metallic. I also had a fog lamp wire hanging out of the bumper. and the lights for my licence plate were not put back on the car and I had one bulb burnt out on my tailights. He could have nailed me for stunting with the BOV, I know he heard it.
he has a job to do. and it was ugly weather, the easier I make his job the nicer he is to me! |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Normally I turn off the car, have the hazzards on, but I don't put the keys on the dash, during the winter if it's cold I leave it running.
Since my rear windows are tinted, I don't get anything, I sit still, because if they see any movement they can't tell what I'm doing, so I wait til the get to the car to get the papers out, then when they ask for my license I just say I need to get out of the car to put it out, and most times they stand up my my fender, so other side of door, and I get out, hug the door so to speak, and pull my wallet out.
Sometimes if I've talked to them for a few seconds before they ask for my license they can tell my demeanor and they won't keep on the other side of the door.
That time I posted with the detective pulling me over, I pulled off onto an approach with a pole infront of my car, so if I wanted to run, I'd have to push his car throught traffic and I was in a Neon... so fat change thats happening.
Thats the other thing, I try to pull off the actual street, but still be close to it, so we're still in view, but not at risk of getting hit. |
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| baker_jeff |
| My 2nd gear tops out at 100km/h |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by baker_jeff
My 2nd gear tops out at 100km/h
I checked my neon, rev limiter kicks in at 95km/h I was watching it, I shifted at like 94km, and the fuel cut just started to kick in. there was traffic on the highway so I didn't check 3rd.
2nd in my fifth is prolly good to.. I dunno.. I'd have to check when I get home.. |
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| MJmcnabb |
| Its just like if you speed up to pass someone you are still speeding and you can still get a ticket. |
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| SkiTLz |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Toss your keys on top of your dash too, so the cop can see 'em. Another "I'm not taking off on you" thing.
Everytime i get pulled over i kill the engine and take the keys out just by habit.. THen i goto wind down the window for him and i have to put the fuckin keys back in... :D |
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| SkiTLz |
quote:
Originally posted by fugumerkur
tHATS what I did! I had my papers ready, on my dash, window down, car off keys on dash with papers stereo off and hands on the wheel. I show the cop respect he won't hassel me for not having badges on my car, or the fact that my registration is for a black car and now the car is silver metallic. I also had a fog lamp wire hanging out of the bumper. and the lights for my licence plate were not put back on the car and I had one bulb burnt out on my tailights. He could have nailed me for stunting with the BOV, I know he heard it.
he has a job to do. and it was ugly weather, the easier I make his job the nicer he is to me!
You cant get a stunting ticket for BOV. Ill be the first to admit its bloody stupid speeding up to hear your bov.. :rolleyes: You should have bought an SRT-4.. Yould could have been cool going forwards and in reverse..
But the ticket is never going to be for the BOV. It will be for the speeding. |
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| midnite |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
but on topic, I thought if you caught up to somebody doing say 99 in a 100 zone ther +5/-5 rule applied, you could go 105 and they should slow down 5 to let you pass.
This would be nice, but more often I find the person I am passing starts to speed up because they realize they are driving slow.
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by midnite
This would be nice, but more often I find the person I am passing starts to speed up because they realize they are driving slow.
:mad:
Yeah I know.. Iposted something like that in a previous thead, I think you replied to it.
Sometimes they speed up just a little, sometimes the go nuts and try to keep you behind them. |
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| dtjohnst |
quote:
Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
but on topic, I thought if you caught up to somebody doing say 99 in a 100 zone ther +5/-5 rule applied, you could go 105 and they should slow down 5 to let you pass.
Should be +/- 10%. But it's not something to test. Everyone says "oh, you can go 10km over the limit and they won't pull you over", but that's just an observation. The reality is that equipment has toleranced within which maintenance won't be done, even calibration of police equipment.
Just like you learned in science class (or at least I did), a 5% margin of error in your equipment is acceptable and should be compensated for. At the Canadian Forces Security and Intelligence School (I've heard all the pun jokes already) we were trained that under Federal Law (a law I could never find a reference for mind you), an officer must take into account a 5% margin of error for his equipment, and a 5% margin of error for the other persons equipment. So in a 60 zone, we got crapped on if we pulled anyone over who was doing less than 66km/hr, unless they were excessively slow and we gave them impeding traffic citations (and I once saw a reckless driving ticket issued AND stick because the stupid broad was going 10 in an 80 zone and slowed down to the point of almost stopping at every intersection on a road too narrow to pass safely).
Now while I never find the Federal Law about it, when I attended a seminar on Police Operations and Administration at the Canadian Police College in Ottawa this "Federal Law" of 10% was also mentioned, though they couldn't offer the reference either. So I assume that's at the very least a standard among the policing world for the most part.
The problem is, if you go 110 in a 100 zone assuming you have 10%, there IS a chance that equipment is off, and the cop might show you as going 121 (10% over what you're actually doing). In my experience the equipment is bang on though, even speedo's in cruisers are usually electronically calibrated and laser radar is so accurate it isn't even funny.
As far as the law is concerned, a person is not allowed to speed up when someone passes them. It doesn't matter if they're going 30 under the limit or not, the law says they have to maintain a constant velocity until other cars have passed. And while it's hard for cops to enforce since people don't do it when cops pass, I have heard of it being enforced on occasion.
The other thing to consider is that on an 2-lane undivided highway there will be large leeway. A guy who goes well over the limit is usually cut slack if he slows down afterwards. Even cruisers might pass and go 50 or 60 over the limit if there's oncoming traffic.
But it certainly won't get you out of a ticket. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Ya know I've been thinking doing the math and figure out the avergae length of a car/ truck, and then do the math at 5Km/h speed difference, 10km/h, 15, and 20 and see how much distance is actually traveled on the wrong side of the road while passing, then do the same for a semi, and a super bee.
I've never been tickets for how fast I go while passing *knock on wood* because a cop is rarely around when I pass, if at all - cept for the one time I got pulled over for how close to an intersection I passed(but I never got a ticket cause I told him the lines where dotted when I pulled out and pulled in, I pulled back infront of him after doing a double pass, I was doing 30/40 over when I was beside him then had to match him to pull in. |
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