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Licence plate lamp

14(1) The licence plate of a vehicle must be illuminated by a tail lamp or a separate licence plate lamp so that the licence plate is clearly visible from at least 15 metres to the rear.

(2) A separate licence plate lamp for illuminating the rear licence plate must turn on and stay lit when the head lamps are lit.

(3) A separate licence plate lamp may emit white light.

Exemptions

15 Sections 13 and 14 do not apply during daytime to the following:

(a) implements of husbandry;

(b) highway construction and maintenance equipment;

(c) portable livestock scales.

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Originally posted by supeg
So, I go to a local Boston Pizza to pick up a order. When I arrive I see two cops leaving the place going out to there car (I assume they just finished eating) so I leave my truck running and put the alarm off, taking the keys with me inside. Took about 5 minutes to get my food, and as I am comming out I notice the cops are now parked behind me just sitting there staring at my truck. So thinking nothing really of it I leave. Suddenly I see them peel out and tail me. Making extra caution not to speed, stop properly for any signs ect I drive on the way back to my house.

About 2 blocks later on a main street they put there lights on. I immediatly pull over. Two cops come over to my truck. First guy, a french guy, asks me if I know why I am being stopped (I figure it was my tint, but just play dumb) after saying no, he tells me its because I do not have a light above my licence plate... Looking at him shocked I just say whatever. He asks for my licence and registration and takes it back to him car.

He partner is still at my passenger window and starts asking my questions about my truck "Who painted this? Did you? Awsome paint job!!" and such to which I pretty much ignored him and just answered "I do not know" to all his questions in a rude tone. He responds, "Oh so its like that eh?" To which I say "If you wanted to know stuff about my truck ask me, don't pull me over with bullshit citations, you think I am going to be chummy with you when you give me a ticket?" He just leaves.

So they make me wait there 30-40 minutes, while the food I just picked up is getting cold, doing whatever they can to prolong the wait I am sure. While waiting for them I decided to look at cars driving by and notice about half with no licence plate bulbs... So they come back with a 117 tint ticket and a 67 Licence plate light ticket. I take the tickets and I am about to leave when the orginal cop that was talking about my truck with me says "Wait a minute, these tires are not legal" I explain they are DOT approved drag radials (Nitto's) and are legal, he says are you sure? I just say yes and just start driving away.

Now I know these two tickets are legit, but come-on I think this is just some jelous cops harassing me plain and simple.

My brother wants me to complain to the cop shop, and then put a complaint in with our MP, but I am not sure if I want to waste my time.

Anyone hear of someone getting a ticket for no light above the licence plate?

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Originally posted by dtjohnst
What will your complaint be? That the pulled you over for not having the required equipment on your vehicle, and while they were at it complimented your paint job?

In Canada, in order for something to be harassment, you must be treated differently, singled out in some way. Has this happened to you several times or once? If once, you'd have a hard time pleading harassment. Police can follow anyone for any reason. There's nothing you can do about it. Unless they follow you outside of public highways (ie onto private property, then they need a reason) .If they pull you over day in and day out, you might have grounds for a harassment case, but bear in mind that if you press harassment charges against them, you carry the burden of proof, and you have to show sufficient evidence that they were harassing you, something you'd have problems with.

I can understand you were upset, but snapping at the cops didn't help your case, espcially considering the one asking the questions wasn't the one writing the tickets. He was probably a rookie along for the ride or something, and he was just trying to be friendly. I doubt they pulled you over to ask about your paint job. Like you said, they have better things to do than that.

As for the ticket...they can't stop everyone. In fact, they may stop very few. There are a lot of tickets that can be issued that aren't every day a cop shows up for work and patrols. Every now and then it is issued. Sucks you got nailed for it out of the thousands of people out there with no licence plate light, but it really is a fair ticket, and there's nothing you can do about it.

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Originally posted by supeg
He partner is still at my passenger window and starts asking my questions about my truck "Who painted this? Did you? Awsome paint job!!" and such to which I pretty much ignored him and just answered "I do not know" to all his questions in a rude tone. He responds, "Oh so its like that eh?" To which I say "If you wanted to know stuff about my truck ask me, don't pull me over with bullshit citations, you think I am going to be chummy with you when you give me a ticket?" He just leaves.

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Originally posted by mwdguy
Enough about the tickets ....










What did you get at BP's?

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Originally posted by TrevorK

Here's what I don't understand.

The French guy was the one who wanted to give you tickets, while his partner wanted to talk to you about your truck. Don't you think that if you were civilized and mature when dealing with the partner that he would've been able to get you off of the license plate bulb ticket?

Don't you think that after being a complete prick to him, he then decided to find anything else he could to ticket you?


Being stopped - that's not your fault. It happens. Being given the two tickets? That is completely your fault (For not complying with the regulations, and for being a complete prick to the one cop).

Just remember, with a one-of-a-kind truck, if you complain to the police about your treatment then those same police officers will make sure you get more of it (As I'm sure you're not taking your tint off).

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Originally posted by supeg To a degree yes, Trevor.

But there are a couple things that happened that did not make me do that.

One, if the guy wanted to talk to me about my truck ask me as Im walking out in front of him from BP's going into my truck. I get tons of attention and care less about answering a few questions. Did he do that? No, they pulled me over in a busy traffic for some stupid thing to ask me about it?

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Yes the French guy was going to give me the tickets I think reguardless, the reason they pulled me over was the light he said, he mentioned the tint as well before that, asked for licence and reg and said he will be right back with tickets, when he left the partner started talking...

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It is very hard to be "civilized and mature" when you are about to get some bs tickets. Seriously, would you be all buddy buddy with a cop if you got some Exaust ticket and he was asking questions about your ride?

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Thats like you smiling and being all nice to someone while they are raping you...

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So lets see,

Someone,
1. Waste's 45 minutes of my time
2. Makes my food cold
3. Gives me 200 bucks worth of tickets

Doesn't sound like a nice guy to me or someone who I would even be decent to.

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Could I have gotten out the ticket by being super nice to the guy, possibly, I would think a 50/50 chance, and if it didn't work I would be ever more pissed.

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But really why would I have to be all nice to the guy, when he was wasting my time and his with a ticket that is never given out, I pay his salary.

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But yes, I will complain, just because I want them to at least know that maybe nexttime they do the same thing, that the next person might complain as well. Im sure the tickets will stay, and 200 bucks isnt really a problem, just the principal.

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Yes, my tint will be removed, because I am sure they would do that in the future, as I am sure they are a little corrupt and seriously would harass with more tickets. [/B]

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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Again, you're assuming they pulled you over to ask about your truck. Perhaps he wouldn't have asked had there not been time to do so. Perhaps they pulled you over for a valid reason, aka not having a light on your licence plate and illegal tint on your windows (which they may have seen before you even came out of BPs).



So you decided to be a dick head to a guy who was making conversation to help you kill the time because his partner was writing you tickets? They aren't a single unit, they're individuals. For all you know the non-French guy didn't really want to pull you over, but the other guy was more senior and made the call anyways. Who knows.



Have you ever tried to find an address in the dark when people don't leave their outside light on? It's impossible. Now shrink the address in half, make it move, and conceal it in shadows. Without a light, how is anyone supposed to report you if you hit-and-run? Or any other myriad of reasons a plate number is useful. It's not a BS ticket, it's a valid one.



I see. I fail to see the comparison. If someone is trying to be friendly while their parner writes you a ticket, it's like having one of the most heinous crimes possible commited to you? It's more like being stopped due to construction and having the guy who holds the sign try to chat with you. That's a much closer comparison, since he isn't holding you up, the construction is, he's just there for the pay.



1. His partner did that.
2. Also his partner, food getting cold is something I personally hope cops don't care about while doing their job.
3. Also his partner.

Sounds like you could've at least been polite. You yourself said your opening salvo to this guy was rude. Seems pretty unecessary.



I doubt you would've gotten out of it by being nice, but does it hurt to be friendly to people? Especially a bystander, since that's essentially what he was.



LOL I love it when people would say that to me. You pay his salary, and what's his job? To issue citations when people don't comply with the law. They are, afterall, traffic. Patrol deals with calls usually, so you PAY them to issue "BS citations" to people who don't comply with the law. Would you rather pay them and have them NOT do their job?

The ticket is given out. You're one of the few who got caught, but that changes nothing. That's like an athlete being caught for doping during a random drug test and saying it's BS because not everyone got checked. And "this guy" wasn't wasting anyone's time. He was trying to be friendly and help pass the time while buddy did the paperwork. Maybe the 45 minute delay was caused by you being a dick, and had you been polite, 2 of your 3 points would be invalid.



Again, what will your complaint be? That you were pulled over, issued valid citations, experienced a delay, your food got cold, and one of the two officers tried to make police conversation by saying nice things about your car? What principle? Your complaint will never get any further than the person you tell it to, who will probably laugh at you the second you hang out. Think about what you're saying man, and consider if one of your clients made this type of complaint to you what you would say.



Whatever man. I understand you're venting, but you aren't really being very reasonable. You were an ass, you got held up. The whole "I pay their salary" wasn't a bright move. Anyone in law enforcement knows that's bullshit. That's like implying you're their boss and can tell them what to do, it shows how you feel about law enforcement. You fail to realize that what they did is EXACTLY what you pay them for.

Personally, initially I felt a little sorry for you, but your ranting is making me think there's a lesson to be learned here that you're completely missing, because you're upset you had to eat cold lasagna. *shrug* Whatever man. Vent away, but it doesn't look like you're getting much sympathy, probably because you're being as abrasive in your verbiage here as you were to the officer who was trying to be nice.

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Originally posted by supeg
It is very hard to be "civilized and mature" when you are about to get some bs tickets. Seriously, would you be all buddy buddy with a cop if you got some Exaust ticket and he was asking questions about your ride?

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Someone,
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2. Makes my food cold

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Originally posted by supeg
Let me guess you are an officer yourself, have a relative that is one, or you are training to become one?

I am sorry, but I do not see the two of them as seperate, if his partner had a concience he would have told the officer that was driving not to stop and waste my time. Both there names are on the ticket.

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Originally posted by supeg
Let me guess you are an officer yourself, have a relative that is one, or you are training to become one?

I am sorry, but I do not see the two of them as seperate, if his partner had a concience he would have told the officer that was driving not to stop and waste my time. Both there names are on the ticket.

My plate is very visable, always clean and it was 6pm.

Since I do not know what is going through there heads, Im making assumptions just like you are.

Only way they would notice the missing light would to see it very close up which I am assuming they did at BP's and decided to "Tail me" to get more infractions perhaps?

You say I was an ass and was held up, so I deserve it? Maybe you misread but I was an ass AFTER I was pulled over and told I was getting two tickets then get one of the people who is wasting my time and money to meet some quota try to be buddy-buddy with me, sorry I guess I am not the sort of person that gets walked over.

Sorry I do not like it when someone Punches me in the face then smiles.

I do not see how being a dick is not answering the guy's questions about my ride, should I have gotten down on my hands and knees and sucked him off to get out of the ticket as well? Should I have said "Thank you kind sir, have yourself a nice night!!!" after he handed me my tickets?

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Originally posted by GQsmooth
license plate bulb ticket is BS, how would you know if its out or not?

Thats garbage, fight that shit!

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Originally posted by Vive le Quebec
Did this happen in St. Albert?

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Originally posted by Tech2
Guess you shouldn't have been a jerk.

How motivated to treat you well is the guy at macdonalds if you are rude to him? If you pull that attitude at customs you'll have your luggage emptied. Keep it up and you'll be visiting a quiet room for a chat with a gentleman wearing latex gloves. It's going to suck when you miss your flight.

Just for fun, try being nice to the police next time you're pulled over. Things just might go more smoothly for you.

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Originally posted by supeg
You are right, it is a legit ticket like I said, but its one that is rarely given out except by assholes like that guy with nothing better to do.

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he same as those losers that give "Improper plate attachment" or whatever tickets when there plate is only attached with one screw.

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Was I singled out? I think I sure was, due to how my truck looks...

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Can I prove it? Well of course not, but I will be going to my MLA to file a complaint, so obviously they will get in touch with the cops and hopefully they get reamed at the very least for eating on the job.

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Now I know how all you import guys feel when you say you get stopped for no reason and get bogus tickets.

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Originally posted by Soulfly
Uhh.. I think there is something reflecting off the truck in this picture... :dunno:













-:lol: Looks cool. :thumbup:

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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Editing the post was sneaky, I almost missed it.



By nothing better to do, I assume you mean no one else around to give tickets to. Since afterall, giving out tickets for violations is his job. So...."nothing better to do" really doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I suppose if a bank robber zipped by he'd have something better to do if that's what you mean.

Like I said, it's hard to read plates at night, even harder if they aren't illuminated. Can you tell me why there shouldn't be a law requiring a light? Because unless you have a problem with the law itself, I don't understand your complaint. If you hit and run, it'd be helpful if bystanders could at least get a partial. Sure, maybe your truck stands out enough you don't need it, but the law is the law.



Yeah, because you know, making sure your plate doesn't fall off isn't very important. It could only result in the same problem as having one that isn't illuminated and can't be read.



Well of course. Afterall, they pulled you over JUST to ask about your paint job, and wrote you a few tickets while they were at it. But then, you knew you'd attract attention when you made your truck so flashy, didn't you? And it's not like they treated you any differently than they could treat anyone else. That's what I mean by singled out. For all you know they randomly pick vehicles and follow them, making you not singled out at all.



Oh, I see. Man, I'd hate to have your job. Every job I've had I've been allowed to eat on my breaks, and if I could eat without interfering with my job, I was allowed to do it when I wasn't on a break. You should complain to your MLA that your boss isn't following the law and allowing you a break for food.

They won't get reamed. They won't even get a slap on the wrist. Why? They issued you valid citations, they weren't rude or impolite, and you really have no reason to be upset. I'm not saying don't complain, do whatever you want. But your MLA or MP is going to laugh at you as hard behind your back as the professional deportment department (or whatever it's called here) is going to laugh at you. And just as hard as the cops laughed at you while the delayed you for 45 mins for being a dick to them. At most someone will mention you complained, and they'll laugh about in the shower after work again.

Look, you were rude to them, you snapped at them, what's wrong that you can't just let it go? Boo hoo your lasagna got cold. If they were rude to you or something, I'd understand, but you got dicked because you were a dick after being told you were getting issued valid tickets. And you even know you were in violation of the law when you got your windows tinted so really it's one ticket that upsets you. Seriously, is it really worth getting this worked up over? It was cold lasagna one day out of your life. Get over it.



Except....your tickets aren't bogus. You really weren't complying with the law.



What I find interesting is that we have a photo of the passenger side, the side the non-french cop was on who asked who painted the truck, and yet I can clearly see "paintdruid.com custom paint and airbrushing" on the cover. I guess the recruiting drive resulted in lower standards including illiterate officers. ;) jk

I really love the airbrushing on your hood and tonneau cover from their website, though I can imagine you get some odd looks from parents when you drive through residential zones when the kids are out playing.

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Originally posted by supeg
No sense arguing anymore, I stopped a long time ago :)


Anyways, I got pulled over for speeding the next night (Yesterday) and got let off, so yah for cool cops :) So I guess i broke out even :) Would rather get the two "lame" one's then one real demerit one.

Decided not to do anything about the tickets, but does anyone know if these two tickets (Tint, missing licence plate one) will have any effect on my insurance, or is it only tickets that give demerits?

If they do then I have no choice but to fight them.....

Also, I was thinking of removing my tint soon anyways because I am selling my truck. If I do it, take pictures of no tint and bring them into court can I get off of them? Either by saying I never had tint on (Lie) or say I took it off because of ticket and ask for a break.

I heard that people have been let off tint tickets before because they remove them, is that true?

Not worried about the money for the tickets, But I gotta renew insurance soon and want to keep my clean record intact.

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Originally posted by supeg
If I do it, take pictures of no tint and bring them into court can I get off of them? Either by saying I never had tint on (Lie)

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Originally posted by 3gec
Those tickets won't affect your insurance or driving record at all.

You know you broke the law so just pay up.

And next time you get stopped by the police don't be a dick. I have been let off of 2 speeding tickets by being nice to police after being pulled over.

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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
You the perjury is a Federal Offense, right? Lying under oath in court is not something you want to do... they judge wouldn't believe you anyways. Why would the cops write you a tint ticket for untinted windows? You think they're gonna lie?!?

Judging by your "I got pulled over for speeding two days later" post, I'm siding more and more with the police on this one. Maybe there's more to the original situation that you're letting on.

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Originally posted by supeg
I am not going to lie in court, I said I was thinking, just as I was thinking why a company made an exotic low 14 second sports car :p I was wondering something and asked a question....

Bro if you think Cops do not lie, then you lead a very sheltered life.

I have had cops swear at me, beat the shit out of two friends twice (They were running coke and deserved it, but still) and have two different sets of friends with pending lawsuits against cops for racism against them. My best friends cousin in a cop in Edmonton, and the corupt stories he tells him insane.

Anyways, if I took it off, took pictures of my truck with tint off, and had it parked outside I could get out of the ticket 100%, burden of proof is on them in court, why not just send anyone to jail if there story doesnt match up to a cops?

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Originally posted by supeg
If you read what I said, I was a dick AFTER I was told I was getting the tickets.

Learn to read, then reply MMMMKay? That goes for the other idiots in this thread that same the EXACT SAME THING.

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Originally posted by 3gec
I actually read the whole thread....

So after knowingly breaking the law and you know your getting tickets for the laws that you have broken you treat people who protect other peoples asses day in and day out including your ass with disrespect.
ok there mr cool dude. Look at me I hate cops cause Cops are wasting my time. Your wasting the cops time by having things done to your truck that you know are illegal.

I hope your truck gets stolen and you have to deal with those two cops when you go to report it and then see how you feel about the whole situation. I bet you will be real nice to them when you are filling out that report. Probably because of your lack of a licence plate light no one will ever be able to read the plate and just let it go.

It's not a good idea to go somewhere and complain about something that you know is wrong and then call all the people who just had to remind you that you were wrong, idiots.

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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Low 14s? Please... it's high 13s. ;)

I've had a friend get his ass kicked by the cops too. Granted, he tossed a coke can into the window of their cruiser, but still.

Yeah, if you take it off, you shouldn't have to pay the ticket.

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Originally posted by supeg

Yah Ill prob end up taking it off, hopefully I can go down and show them so i dont have to take a day off of work to go to court.

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Originally posted by supeg
haha I know they pull mid 13's at zero elevation, our elevation here sucks, I was just breaking your nuts.

Yah Ill prob end up taking it off, hopefully I can go down and show them so i dont have to take a day off of work to go to court.

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Originally posted by supeg
Still cannot read? If you read the thread then you wouldn't have said what you said.

Please quote where I said I hate cops..

Please, I have had like 3 of my past vehicles broken into, of course nothing was ever found.

I have bigtime respect for cops that serve and protect, but ZERO who pull someone over when they are in a bad mood with a chip on there shoulder. I was pulled over at 6pm, go out tommorow and tell me how dark it is at 6pm. They did it to be dicks plain and simple, jealousy, or whatever there motovation was, i do not think the guy checks out every car he drives by in broad daylight looking for a licence plate light... The only way he would see it is if he was 5 feet away looking for something to bust me for...

Yes I am calling you along with the other morons that said "You should have been nice, then you would have gotten out of the tickets" TOTAL MORONS/IDIOTS. Like I said again, I was rude to the one guy AFTER I was told I was getting tickets....

I agree with you on one point, I hope as well someone steals it! I am selling it soon, but if someone steals it and wreaks/parts it I will get full apraised value for it :asshole:

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Originally posted by supeg
I was pulled over at 6pm, go out tommorow and tell me how dark it is at 6pm.

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Originally posted by cbourbs
i just brought my car in from the states a while ago and it had tint on it. It passed federal and provincial inspection. I just got a tinting ticket. I told the cop it passed all it's inspections and he didn't really have anything to say about it. If i take it to court would i be able to get off on this, or could i go after the people who provincially inspected it. I was thinking that maybe in court i could get away with it this one time. the judge will still tell me to take if off though.

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Originally posted by cbourbs
i just brought my car in from the states a while ago and it had tint on it. It passed federal and provincial inspection. I just got a tinting ticket. I told the cop it passed all it's inspections and he didn't really have anything to say about it. If i take it to court would i be able to get off on this, or could i go after the people who provincially inspected it. I was thinking that maybe in court i could get away with it this one time. the judge will still tell me to take if off though.

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From http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/Dri...Inspections.htm

The mechanical fitness portion of the OOP Vehicle Inspection involves virtually all vehicle components including fuel and exhaust systems, all electrical, engine controls, powertrain, driveline, steering, suspension, braking systems, wiring and lights, tires, glass, wipers and defrosters.

The vehicle must be maintained within Original Equipment Manufacturers standards or wear tolerances in order to pass the inspection.

Structural integrity inspections establish whether or not the vehicle's frame and/or body exhibit signs of major collision damage and/or repairs. They also examine the vehicle for corrosion in body or frame members. The OOP Vehicle Inspection may not be conclusive in determining previous crash history as the inspection technicians are certified automotive service technicians, not autobody collision repair technicians. If you suspect the vehicle has sustained major damage before you purchased it, you may wish to have the vehicle examined by a collision repair technician.

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Originally posted by JonJonPoPong
Too much to read, but my sister got a license plate light out ticket before too, your responsible for checking all lights on your vehical before you drive anywhere.
However you can get off ususaly if you say "It was on when I left because I saw it on, it must of gone off while I was driving"
Since there is no resonable way for you to check while driven that your plate light was out you could get off, but since the cops know ur plate light was out to start with you wont.

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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Again, he never said it was out, he said he didn't have one.

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Originally posted by supeg
No spot for it to go, its an aftermarket rollpan and im not drilling into it.

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Originally posted by 3gEdmonton
Then you've answered your own question I think everyone knows you pay the consequences for modding if it doesn’t adhere to traffic/vehicle laws. So if you don't want to do it b/c you don't want to drill a hole or don't have a spot for it to go, then don't complain about it if you get a ticket for it regardless of what time of day it is. You broke the law plain out and simple so abide by it.

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Originally posted by supeg
Do not want to argue anymore so just don't worry about it, and enjoy your STI, I am prob getting one soon as well.

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Originally posted by supeg
...snip...I ranted because the Cops have nothing better to do then to inspect every part of my ride looking for an infraction to give because they are Jelous haters plain and simple.
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Originally posted by Bad Egg
After checking my info with the office(why don't RCMP have computers linked to the databases?), he asked me a couple of questions about my car, suggested a safer speed to avoid being stopped and let me go with no tickets.

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Originally posted by supeg


My rant was not pertaining to the law itself, I ranted because the Cops have nothing better to do then to inspect every part of my ride looking for an infraction to give because they are Jelous haters plain and simple.

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Originally posted by dtjohnst

The purpose of the OOP is NOT to ensure the vehicle is legal, but to ensure the vehicle is safe.


In other words, they don't check for tint, mudguards, or anything else which, while "illegal", is not going to be inherently "unsafe".

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The mechanical fitness portion of the OOP Vehicle Inspection involves virtually all vehicle components including fuel and exhaust systems, all electrical, engine controls, powertrain, driveline, steering, suspension, braking systems, wiring and lights, tires, glass, wipers and defrosters.

The vehicle must be maintained within Original Equipment Manufacturers standards or wear tolerances in order to pass the inspection.

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Originally posted by Blaine B.
That flies in the face of what you quoted entirely:

Show me an OEM front window tinted vehicle sold in Canada in the last 20 years.
I think cbourbs has a shot if he can prove the vehicle was tinted at time of inspection.
Isn't the big reason tint is outlawed on the front windows fo safety of the driver? I have never recieved a definitive answer. Heard a bunch of hearsay from law enforcement I respect and also from law enforcement officials who have yet to earn my respect.

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Originally posted by Bad Egg
snugs,

I have read this whole thread now, and somewhere in it the truck owner states that he has no license plate light at all,(body mods) or even a place to put one.

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Originally posted by snugs
Just a thought, but what was the lights on time for that day (was it after 6pm?) and are the license plate lights on the lightning tied in to the headlight so that if the headlights are off the license plate lights are off too? I seem to remember that was the case with my old GT, no headlights = no license plate light. :dunno:

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