| fartcannon |
| Does anybody know where i can get one for the 5th gen for a good price. I own a fourth gen and talked to a guy on honda tech who got one for 800 used. It fit in his 4th gen and he made 235whp on stock internals very very good power gain. I have decided that this is the way to go. its running 5psi and that engine is running extremly safe compared to a turbo on an un upgraded engine. So any help or even any site links where i could get one would be nice. thanks |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| it would be 6.5 psi not 5. the supercharger is not worth the money for a 4th gen.. almost impossible to fit unless you have a shop willing to take the time to jam it in there. as well, you will need a standalone and tuning. at the end of the day i wouldnt doubt your in the hole over 7000. |
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| S2KPWR |
Order it new from www.jacksonracing.com . Great service, comes on the time they say it will, and from experience... Dont buy one used. Unless you are prepared to send it to jackson to get rebuilt. Alot of people are inexperienced and dont bypass their coolant lines to their TB which leaks into the blower, crystalizes.. etc. (learned that the hard way)
Also, you will need to buy all new hardware, cause if installed properly they all have red loctite on them.
They have an awsome customer support line, and will actually walk you through install issues and troubleshooting.
And they'll replace any part peice if you break it... If you're honest with them, they'll help you out. |
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| S2KPWR |
| Oh, and another word of advice, buy a hondata programmable ECU. Dont waste your time with the "piggyback"... I'll elaborate on this if you'd like. |
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| fartcannon |
| yah i planned on buying a hondata, 7 grand is alot of money. Im going to ask a guy on honda tech who managed to put it in his 4th gen if it was that big of a task. odds are it was which makes me kind of back away from that upgrade. Tylers turbo mishap put me off of turboing my prelude stock and i dont have money to rebuild the engine at the moment if something wrong happens, yet alone build it to support it. Ohh well worse comes to worse i order a nice set of rmfs and and few more simple upgrades and just go for my goal of 200-210whp. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by fartcannon
yah i planned on buying a hondata, 7 grand is alot of money. Im going to ask a guy on honda tech who managed to put it in his 4th gen if it was that big of a task. odds are it was which makes me kind of back away from that upgrade. Tylers turbo mishap put me off of turboing my prelude stock and i dont have money to rebuild the engine at the moment if something wrong happens, yet alone build it to support it. Ohh well worse comes to worse i order a nice set of rmfs and and few more simple upgrades and just go for my goal of 200-210whp.
tylers blew up because he did his the welfare way..take it to a shop, tell them the goals you want, and they will do it right, no duct tape jobs. youll pay less for a turbo setup built right then you would trying to stuff a supercharger in. i know on my 5th gen, the supercharger left like less then an inch and a half of room to the firewall, a 4th gens bay is even smaller. it would take someone with some mechanical ability and alot of time and patience to get it in there. however, a SC in a 4th gen would be super fun!! id still prefer a SC over a turbo anyday in a fwd car. |
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| 2ndgenlude |
my turbo wasn't really a welfare job. i have about 5g's in it just for the turbo kit. just 1 low quality line happened to blow off and cost me my motor. shitty luck. was really bad because i had a line sitting in my garage i was going to put on when i got home. shit happens, like mike said once your fast shit starts to break.
but good luck on your project. a supercharged 4th gen would be sweet. don't let me turn you off a turbo though. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| man, you welded most of everything yourself and it was pretty evident you didnt have much welding experience. i just think you could have taken your time and let a shop do the things you may have over looked. im all for DIY if, you know HOW to DIY. i wouldnt risk something like that on my own if you really dont know what ur doing..theres more to it then just throwing the parts on |
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| 2ndgenlude |
i ended up welding nothing lol, its all high quality couplers.
i realized i can't weld worth shit so i left it alone :)
car ran fine. afi cleaned up the install a bit. so i guess you could say a shop installed it, just 1 line came off. and it happened to be a important one which i had a replacement for.
im looking at this like a oppurtunity to build a motor. its pretty much end of season so it would be parked soon anyways. i got till spring to get my block to benson and back and re-assemble everything. you don't learn anything if you don't attempt it. sure its going to cost me, but thats ok lol. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| im glad you see it that way atleast..personally id rather spend the money at the beginning so i could be driving now then to go through all that and still end up spending the money and not drive. |
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| 2ndgenlude |
true. i didn't expect it to blow lol. but at least its now, and not spring. then i would be pissed. to tell you the truth i was going to build the block over winter anyway haha.
7psi isn't enough. once you feel boost, you want more. its like a damn drug. anyways im looking for a 2nd/3rd gen beater for now, and deal with the 4g over winter. thats the plan anyway. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| rwd for the win =D |
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| Shady_Pro |
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Originally posted by 2ndgenlude
i ended up welding nothing lol, its all high quality couplers.
i realized i can't weld worth shit so i left it alone :)
car ran fine. afi cleaned up the install a bit. so i guess you could say a shop installed it, just 1 line came off. and it happened to be a important one which i had a replacement for.
im looking at this like a oppurtunity to build a motor. its pretty much end of season so it would be parked soon anyways. i got till spring to get my block to benson and back and re-assemble everything. you don't learn anything if you don't attempt it. sure its going to cost me, but thats ok lol.
i saw the car at afi the day you brought it back and that line was your only downfall....it was big pimpin! you should just listen when they said go home and change it and you would still be walking on srt4's lol:thumbup: :beer: and ben |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by Shady_Pro
i saw the car at afi the day you brought it back and that line was your only downfall....it was big pimpin! you should just listen when they said go home and change it and you would still be walking on srt4's lol:thumbup: :beer: and ben
i would hope he would be able to beat a pathfinder in a race lol.. we will see if he can beat what i bring next year.
although, i will give huge props to him next year after his car is done properly..a properly done turbo 4th gen is equivalent to sex for me with a half decent looking gurl. |
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| Shady_Pro |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
i would hope he would be able to beat a pathfinder in a race lol.. we will see if he can beat what i bring next year.
although, i will give huge props to him next year after his car is done properly..a properly done turbo 4th gen is equivalent to sex for me with a half decent looking gurl.
hahaha ben you are fuckin hilarious |
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| fartcannon |
| HAHAHHAHa nice quote. i checked out the super charger and can get it for 3gs off the site and called up jackson racing. they said that its been done many times. I talked to a guy on honda tech and he told me that fitment was a bit of an issue but really not that bad. He installed it himself but told me if i get a shop, which i have to, to install it i could cost a bit but he said its well worth it for a huge power gain that is completely reliable on stock internals. well worth the jump from 170whp to 235whp. For 3gs and about 2 and a half for install that is well worth the roughly 5grand. I would be spending the same on a turbo but i would just never have to wait for spooling :D. Plus if i want to later on i could always put rmfs on as well and get another good 10 to 15whp outta my engine. Im sure by then i would start having to look into getting the engine upgraded as well. Whatever i do choose though it will be over this year and most likely another 2 years after. but im sure when its done it will be something very unique, rare and f-ing sexy :D |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| youd be hard pressed to get 235whp out of only 6.5 but yes it would be quite the ride.. when you get it talk to me i can get you a 10 psi pulley.. with a few other bolt ons, near 300whp =D |
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| fartcannon |
| will do, that is if i do decide in spring to purchase the supercharger. I still have some more researching into N/A and if 200whp is good enough for me or if i feel like getting turbo. But if i do i will let you know. |
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| newred |
trust me Go turbo. Don't cheap out. Also don't listen to tyler (sorry ty) & you will spend more than you think. But good luck.
Also tyler you spend 5g's on that turbo. Shit, for that you could of drop of ur car @ speedtech & you most likely would be still driving ur car...:drama: |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| 5g's on everything. including tuning/install |
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| meshuggah |
These things are notorious for running super hot in 5th gens. I've read a lot of feedback about them in the Forced Induction section of preludepower.com. I know one guy had to put a bag of ice on the damn thing after driving if he went any great distance. They have a lot of reliability issues.
I was considering going s/c ontop of everything else I have but after reading a lot of user feedback I decided against it. Having to replace the belts frequently, running very hot, and much more frequent oil changes.
suppose it'd be great if you can get it to work perfectly, but I've not seen one without some issue yet. |
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| meshuggah |
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Originally posted by fartcannon
will do, that is if i do decide in spring to purchase the supercharger. I still have some more researching into N/A and if 200whp is good enough for me or if i feel like getting turbo. But if i do i will let you know.
NA is a LOT of money. Turbo would be a better idea, just go low boost. Otherwise build your bottom end, get an LSD and let 'er rip. |
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| fartcannon |
ohhhh trust me i know N/A is a shit load of money. Its only a shit load of money really if your trying to get over the 200whp mark. Ive talked to many people aobut this on honda tech and getting to 200whp does cost about 3gs. if i want to go over to like 230 240 N/A i will have to look at the 10 to 15g mark which i have no intention of ever going near. but i mean on the plus side look at what eye candy would get to go in my engine bay if i do go N/A 
Now those are some sexy headers, and i talked to that rmf guy, not sure what his name is but he said 800 and he could make me a set. those are good for 15whp :D thats really impressive for some N/A headers |
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| fartcannon |
| Really what is stopping me from going turbo is i have still yet to see a h22a prelude with a turbo without a built engine last more than a few weeks. if someone could let me know of someone who has succesfully done this then i would like to speak with this person. it would help alot. |
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| meshuggah |
quote:
Originally posted by fartcannon
ohhhh trust me i know N/A is a shit load of money. Its only a shit load of money really if your trying to get over the 200whp mark. Ive talked to many people aobut this on honda tech and getting to 200whp does cost about 3gs. if i want to go over to like 230 240 N/A i will have to look at the 10 to 15g mark which i have no intention of ever going near. but i mean on the plus side look at what eye candy would get to go in my engine bay if i do go N/A
Now those are some sexy headers, and i talked to that rmf guy, not sure what his name is but he said 800 and he could make me a set. those are good for 15whp :D thats really impressive for some N/A headers
RMF does some sick work, there are a few guys on pp.com pulling 200 whp NA with RMF's some minor bolt ons and good tuning.
$1000 is a so/so price for 15 whp imo. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
quote:
Originally posted by meshuggah
These things are notorious for running super hot in 5th gens. I've read a lot of feedback about them in the Forced Induction section of preludepower.com. I know one guy had to put a bag of ice on the damn thing after driving if he went any great distance. They have a lot of reliability issues.
I was considering going s/c ontop of everything else I have but after reading a lot of user feedback I decided against it. Having to replace the belts frequently, running very hot, and much more frequent oil changes.
suppose it'd be great if you can get it to work perfectly, but I've not seen one without some issue yet.
i used to own a SC 5th gen..they have NO reliability issues. unless you dont know how to maintain them. Which requires pretty much nothing but Oil. its the people who run More psi then they should be without upgrading the bearings and the internals of the charger. at stock PSI a supercharger will last the lifetime of the car gaurenteed. a supercharger will get warm yes, but only if your autocrossing or going hard on it for LONG periods of time would it ever be somethign you would need to worry about. if your going on a long road trip, you just stop and let the car cool every few hours.. as for more frequent oil changes, this doesnt even make sense really lol. you still change ur oil every 4500km or so. the oil inside the supercharger only gets changed every 30,000km but you should check it every so often if you are hard on the car... as for frequency of belt changes, thats entirely up to the driver...if your hard on it, you will have to change roughly every 6000km, they can last as long as 10 000km and even then, a belt only costs about 16 bucks to replace.. |
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| fartcannon |
| thanks for the info on the sc, i didnt think they were as bad as he was saying, 1000 dollars though for 15whp is pretty good imo still. so/so maybe but what other mods are you really going to find for an N/A besides headers that is going to acutally give you 15whp for that price. Very very few, infact i cant think of any please inform me of some. i would like to know so i could buy them. Im just curious meshuggah what is your car running power wise after all that head work? im acutally curious dont take this as mean being lippy :) |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| for 1000 not much.. mugen header and exhaust will get you about that much. |
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| meshuggah |
quote:
Originally posted by fartcannon
thanks for the info on the sc, i didnt think they were as bad as he was saying, 1000 dollars though for 15whp is pretty good imo still. so/so maybe but what other mods are you really going to find for an N/A besides headers that is going to acutally give you 15whp for that price. Very very few, infact i cant think of any please inform me of some. i would like to know so i could buy them. Im just curious meshuggah what is your car running power wise after all that head work? im acutally curious dont take this as mean being lippy :)
I'm near or at the 200 whp mark, although I haven't been dynoed or tuned yet. A kinda friend who does an insane amount of Honda tuning and engine work drove it and said if it's not at 200 it's right near, maybe high 190's at the wheel. I am running a program on my phearable ecu but I still need tuning as it's running rich on the 310cc injectors.
I'm going to get time at Speedtech in Calgary this winter after I'm settled. I'd like to get her tuned proper on Crome, I know I can squeeze a little bit out of my powerband.
I will say it pulls like a team of horses at higher speeds and def at higher rpms. A huge plus is no rev limiter on the ecu, so I can take full advantage of post redline on my upgraded valve train. If I'm doing 140 km and hour it feels like it just wants to full out run over 200+, which I've done a few times but it's scary fast. |
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| fartcannon |
| ummm.... not hating but i can rev my engine to almost 8k if i feel like it, and my car has topped at 235km... i dont think preludes have that rev limiter. but mine was from the states and has a h22 in it from the factory. its not a swap maybe thats why. i heard that the jdm swaps dont let you go past 180km an hour and dont let you rev as hard. As for the mugen header and exhaust. thats exactly what i thought. the mugen header is just a replica of dc or whatever. On hondatech it has been talked to death about all those headers. They all just give a small 2-3hp if your lucky. put an exhaust on a N/A that already has a great exhaust and your only going to get about 3-4 more. thats why 1000 for those rmfs 15whp is probably the most whp for the least amount of money. or pretty close. By the way you never told me what mods you have. i would stilll like to know because if i do go for 200whp i want to know what i can buy and not buy |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| preludes have a rev limiter. try it in 1st lol |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| its at 8600 or something isnt it... i have a picture of rob getting to about 8400 in his old lude haha that was a wicked car. such an NA beast |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| mine kicksin around 8200 or so |
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| lovinthespeed |
| lol shit i am scared to rev past 6 lol the redline on mine starts at 61/2 lol but thats me lol i want to redline at 8 or 11 like mike lol but i went to afi today seemed like nice people |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| i stopped by too. my cylinders actually don't look that bad lol. |
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| fartcannon |
| hahaha well imo i think that at 8400 or 8600 really there is not much need to go much higher. i shift when it hits 8000 at most 8200. Dont want to kill the poor thing completely |
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| meshuggah |
I can hit around 8700-8800 the way it's set up now, it screams like a cat in a blender. The upgraded valve train and 3 angle grind make it possible without burning valves.
got my Apexi N1 system reinstalled this morning, you can really hear the aggressiveness of the cams now. :thumbup: |
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| meshuggah |
quote:
Originally posted by fartcannon
By the way you never told me what mods you have. i would stilll like to know because if i do go for 200whp i want to know what i can buy and not buy
dude...seriously, just read my sig. :blink: |
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| fartcannon |
| ohhh hahah holy god im blind and retarded, thanks i will go get some glasses now:rolleyes: |
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| meshuggah |
quote:
Originally posted by fartcannon
ohhh hahah holy god im blind and retarded, thanks i will go get some glasses now:rolleyes:
Hahahahaa! it's all good |
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| fartcannon |
| could you post a picture of your n1 exhaust, i want to buy one for my lude but am not sure what the angle looks like when its on. Plus how loud is it because i hear those are the loudest exhaust you can buy. Im not sure if i really want to attract that much attention if it is overly loud |
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