| How can I make my 1998 honda civic with a d15 motor quicker? - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| Filcan |
| hey guys i just bought my first car about 2 months ago and ive been wanting to make it quicker ever since it was purchased. I bought a 1998 honda civic with a d15 motor(completely stock) in it and im looking for ways to make my car quicker with out spending thousands on an engine swap. So if you guys have any advice on what i can do to my car with out doing a swap i am open to suggestions:p :dunno: |
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| eclipse.soul |
| intake, headers, exhaust...basicaly bolt ons for N/A Civic =D if you dont want to spend thousands that is... |
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| Blaine B. |
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Originally posted by Filcan
hey guys i just bought my first car about 2 months ago and ive been wanting to make it quicker ever since it was purchased. I bought a 1998 honda civic with a d15 motor(completely stock) in it and im looking for ways to make my car quicker with out spending thousands on an engine swap. So if you guys have any advice on what i can do to my car with out doing a swap i am open to suggestions:p :dunno:
Turbo it.
Still a few grand to do it right the first time but you can recoup some of your investment if you take it off before you sell it. Can't really undo a swap.
You could supercharge it as well. |
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| fartcannon |
| you can plan on spending thousands upon thousand upon thousands. You bought a honda, just like me, and im sure you will regret it if you want speed. But of course you will come to love it and wont be able to sell it and might end up dropping way to much money into when you know you dont have the money to do it. hahaha but civics are cheaper than preludes so who knows. I would say go turbo and run really low psi. It wont kill the motor and you will have a huge power increase. But you will proably have to spend about 3 grand with install on a turbo kit for that car. Good luck in whatever you choose |
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| Filcan |
| being new to the car scene there are so many opitons on what i can do there is vtec there is turbo there is supercharge and your right i have grown to love my civic. |
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| h22civic |
| NAAAAWWZZ:dunno: |
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| Stauff |
| dont say no to a swap cause of the cost. I say your best bet is to get a dohc zc or a d16z6. with either one you will have to do a mpfi conversion. with the d16z6 youll need to do a obd1 conversion. if you do it yourself you can stay under a grand. there is much more aftermarket support for these motors than the d15 |
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| Filcan |
| how much do d16z6 usually go for i know some of the b16 and b18s go for a couple grand:( |
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| Soulfly |
Do a turbo setup.. If done Properly.. it should last you quite a while.. and you'll be VERY satisfyed with it.. I know I am... :p
And.... are you sure the motor Is a D15?? lol.. cause it shouldn't be...
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| baker_jeff |
| Turbo FTW. I regret nothing. That one second and third gear pull that tries to rip your teeth out makes it all worthwhile, even if it only lasts a couple hours. :lol: |
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| srt-4toys |
sell it and buy an srt 4 lol
just turbo it |
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| nismokutz |
| no matter wut u wanna do its gunna be expensive to make ur car quicker. wut i always did when i had hondas is swap in a b18a or b18b and put bolt ons to that then put in a b16a tranny and u will have a decent car, high 14's low 15's. look around for a used b18, they ain't to much 800 bux or cheaper usually. |
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| kayin |
congrats on the buy:thumbup:
but don't limit yourself by refusing to do a swap, you can get a fun daily driver with a b-series engine
and i say keep it N/A whatever you do...
VTEC FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!:D |
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| Soulfly |
uhh.. Yeah.. Boost it.. :p
I could Take you for a ride in my car if you wanna see what your car will feel like boosted... :p |
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| kayin |
| its all lies and propaganda! haha N/A is best!:thumbup: |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by kayin
its all lies and propaganda! haha N/A is best!:thumbup:
Speaking Of N/A... I rode in my buddy's B16A2 Last night.. and HOLY FUCK was that EVERY quick!!!
BUT.. I'm only on 6psi. on a VJ11 Turbo... and he wasn't too much quicker.. we were basicly nose and nose.. I lost maybe Half a car length, Maybe less, getting up to speed on a highway... :dunno:
but .. it's a totally different Platform.. Now.. If HE was to boost the B16! Holy shit..
Just a Little Insight.. :thumbup: |
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| nismokutz |
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Originally posted by Soulfly
Speaking Of N/A... I rode in my buddy's B16A2 Last night.. and HOLY FUCK was that EVERY quick!!!
BUT.. I'm only on 6psi. on a VJ11 Turbo... and he wasn't too much quicker.. we were basicly nose and nose.. I lost maybe Half a car length, Maybe less, getting up to speed on a highway... :dunno:
but .. it's a totally different Platform.. Now.. If HE was to boost the B16! Holy shit..
Just a Little Insight.. :thumbup:
i would like to call on any all motor civic, crx or integra vs my near stock 4 door car and we'll see how fast these hondas are..lol |
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| baker_jeff |
| All motor hondas are a lost cause. Boost that bitch! |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by nismokutz
i would like to call on any all motor civic, crx or integra vs my near stock 4 door car and we'll see how fast these hondas are..lol
What do you even drive? :dunno: |
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| K20A-R_EG |
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Originally posted by nismokutz
i would like to call on any all motor civic, crx or integra vs my near stock 4 door car and we'll see how fast these hondas are..lol
ok kutz.. i'll take ya
don't be scared its just a stock motor lol :cool:
i would suggest swap a k series in but then again you said you wanted to stay kinda cheap so ya its kinda outa the question lol.. but yet totally worth it |
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| nismokutz |
| them are fighting words jeff...lol... i guess i'll have to beat ur ass down at the track next year...it will be funny seeing a 4dr owning ya... |
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| K20A-R_EG |
| you just wait and see what my car rolls out of the garage with next summer... we shall see who beats who lol |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by nismokutz
them are fighting words jeff...lol... i guess i'll have to beat ur ass down at the track next year...it will be funny seeing a 4dr owning ya...
Uhhh.. What do you drive?? |
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| nismokutz |
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Originally posted by Soulfly
Uhhh.. What do you drive??
a 1989 nissan cefiro powered by an sr20 |
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| Filcan |
| i think he challenge you to a duel..:mad: |
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| nismokutz |
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Originally posted by Filcan
i think he challenge you to a duel..:mad:
and i accept |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by nismokutz
a 1989 nissan cefiro powered by an sr20
So.. You're comparing Apples to Oranges... |
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| kayin |
i would like to call on any all motor civic, crx or integra vs my near stock 4 door car and we'll see how fast these hondas are..lol
oh i wish i had my car still.....:mad: |
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| nismokutz |
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Originally posted by kayin
i would like to call on any all motor civic, crx or integra vs my near stock 4 door car and we'll see how fast these hondas are..lol
oh i wish i had my car still.....:mad:
its a good thing u don't cuz u would just get embarrassed to... |
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| nismokutz |
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Originally posted by Soulfly
So.. You're comparing Apples to Oranges...
i was never comparing i was just saying hondas are slower and u have to spend alot more money to make them fast or decently quick ya know unless u go junkyard build |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by nismokutz
i was never comparing i was just saying hondas are slower and u have to spend alot more money to make them fast or decently quick ya know unless u go junkyard build
It's easy for a Factory turbo'd car..
Buy a boost controller.. wee.. that was easy. :rolleyes: |
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| nismokutz |
| well it ain't got the factory engine and it don't just have a boost controller... well maybe honda should start putting turbos on there cars from factory so they ain't left so far behind... |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by nismokutz
well it ain't got the factory engine and it don't just have a boost controller... well maybe honda should start putting turbos on there cars from factory so they ain't left so far behind...
So go race a Boosted S2000.. Then come back and tell me who won the battle of traction... :p |
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| nismokutz |
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Originally posted by Soulfly
Go go race a Boosted S2000.. Then come back and tell me who won the battle of traction... :p
haha...ok bring any boosted s2000 on.... |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by nismokutz
haha...ok bring any boosted s2000 on....
Are you comming to the meet tonight?? Cause I'd Like to meet you.. and see exactly what your talking about... :p |
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| nismokutz |
| no i ain't goin to no meet. my car is parked but if anyone with a honda wants to go they can come to me in my town...lol |
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| K20A-R_EG |
| haha kutz you make me laugh lol.. last time i checked my N/A honda runs a faster time than your upraged turboed SR20 :p |
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| nismokutz |
| i would take u easily jeff...i only had four runs that nite and i was only using 11psi....i could use 17, 18 psi no prob, maybe more if i wanna take a chance with the motor |
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| nismokutz |
| and how much are you into ur car??? $ 14000....me i am only at 7500 with the purchase of the car...lol, damn if i spent 14000 on my it better be in the damn 10's...lol |
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| K20A-R_EG |
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Originally posted by nismokutz
and how much are you into ur car??? $ 14000....me i am only at 7500 with the purchase of the car...lol, damn if i spent 14000 on my it better be in the damn 10's...lol
how many SR20's are there flyin around e-town... now how many brand new K20A-R's are there... it cost more for a reason lol and its the first eg civic in alberta to have one as far as i'm aware so its a lil more expensive when there's not a billion of them flyin around and parts to swap it in |
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| baker_jeff |
| I will take you in the spring Chris.... :cool: |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by nismokutz
them are fighting words jeff...lol... i guess i'll have to beat ur ass down at the track next year...it will be funny seeing a 4dr owning ya...
I'll race you in my four door. ;) |
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| nismokutz |
| how many sr20's are there in cefiros around here? none...lol. i'm always up for a race....lol. i'll be lookin forward to next year boys..lol |
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| mik101 |
Is anyone going to point out that if its a 98 and stock and the motor wasnt swapped then its a D16Y7 (Except SI) or D16Y8 (SI)... not a D15?
Anyways unless you want to swap it, bolt ons arent going to work miracles for the D-series. Boost is always fun on those motors, especially since they are cheap to replace if you do blow it up. (It will last if you get it tuned properly by someone respecable and use proper fuel management like a chipped OBD1 ecu with conversion harness running crome, uberdata, or neptune and don't drive it like a jackass). :D
My vote: Boost :) |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by Soulfly
Do a turbo setup.. If done Properly.. it should last you quite a while.. and you'll be VERY satisfyed with it.. I know I am... :p
And.... are you sure the motor Is a D15?? lol.. cause it shouldn't be...
Then I got a PM Asking me about it and we Clarifyed things up. Tiz a D16Y7.. |
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| mik101 |
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Originally posted by Soulfly
Then I got a PM Asking me about it and we Clarifyed things up. Tiz a D16Y7..
My bad, I scanned the thread pretty quickly. Just ignore that part.
:D |
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| Britain |
I have a d15b in my 00 civic but it was swapped in.. Unless you have a swap then yuo havea d16y7..
You can do intake header and exhaust. You need ALL 3 to feel any power gains.. I have a AEM cold air intake (150) and a dc sports 4-1 ceramic header ($300) that'll fit your car for sale.. Header gives you the best power gain but without an exhaust it doesnt sound as nice.. You can turbo it! Vtec is definately nice. Consider a head swap from a d16y8 to get vtec. (need ecu as well)
Other than that turbo it. Boost is nice for sure. I.H.E can be done for as little as 700 or as much as 2000.. I spent around 1500 on my setup. It'll be pretty quick when my exhaust arrives.. To turbo it expect to pay 750 (D.I.Y) to around 3000.. You can get a reliable small turbo setup for 1500 pretty easily.. Trevor (soulfly) did it for like 650 i think. Its runs pretty well!
edit: either way your going to NEED an exhaust! |
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| mik101 |
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Originally posted by Britain
I have a d15b in my 00 civic but it was swapped in.. Unless you have a swap then yuo havea d16y7..
You can do intake header and exhaust. You need ALL 3 to feel any power gains.. I have a AEM cold air intake (150) and a dc sports 4-1 ceramic header ($300) that'll fit your car for sale.. Header gives you the best power gain but without an exhaust it doesnt sound as nice.. You can turbo it! Vtec is definately nice. Consider a head swap from a d16y8 to get vtec. (need ecu as well)
Other than that turbo it. Boost is nice for sure. I.H.E can be done for as little as 700 or as much as 2000.. I spent around 1500 on my setup. It'll be pretty quick when my exhaust arrives.. To turbo it expect to pay 750 (D.I.Y) to around 3000.. You can get a reliable small turbo setup for 1500 pretty easily.. Trevor (soulfly) did it for like 650 i think. Its runs pretty well!
edit: either way your going to NEED an exhaust!
D15B vtec is a nice little motor for fuel economy with decent pep in a small car, its a shame that was never sold on this side of the point.
Britain is right, if you want to stay NA then intake, header, exhaust and a d16y8 head + computer are the way to go if you want to stay d-series ofcourse. Otherwise I would get an exhaust and then boost and not worry about a vtec head at all, or atleast until after you're boosted and everything is working properly.
I did mine for about a grand when I had my D16Y8 (most of that was fuel management and injectors etc, everything else was a junkyard job). It was more of an experiment at the time since my car was still automatic back then. It was fun until I decided to go 5spd b-series.
Whatever you decide to do, just try to plan things out a bit before you make any big purchases so you don't regret anything. Good luck! |
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| Filcan |
| i was also informed about a mini swap's but done know to much about them>?:dunno: |
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| mik101 |
Mini-Me would be a D-series vtec head on a non-vtec D-series bottom end. For example, you could get a D16Y8 head and computer and put it on your D16Y7 block, add a couple wires and plug in the ecu and you'll essentially have a D16Y8, although the D16Y7 and D16Y8 use transmissions that are geared differently (I hate driving Y7s personally because the gearing is so long) so you wouldn't get all of the benefit, but its a nice way to pick up some ponies for little money.
You can also do something similar with a b18a&b18b/b20b&b20z blocks and a b-series vtec head, but those are known as LSVtec and CRVtec (or B20VTEC) respectively and are a little more involved because you must add an oil feed to the head for the vtec solenoid. |
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| Soulfly |
| a 'True' Mini-me is a D16 head on a D15 Block... ;) |
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| mik101 |
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Originally posted by Soulfly
a 'True' Mini-me is a D16 head on a D15 Block... ;)
Now you're just being picky... if you want to be generationally specific, Z6 head on D15 block for OBD1 Civics and Y8 head on D16Y7 block for OBD2 Civics, but again any combination will work if you use a conversion harness on the ecu side and make any necessary plug/repinning changes under the hood. ie Y8 head on a D15 block, or even a Z6/Y8 head on a D16A6 block. Yay for them being like lego. :D |
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| kayin |
true that man! made civics easy/fun to play with cause you can interchange about everything with a little bit of know how and some money, time and patience...so many options:)
whatever you decide to do...remember to never let anyone tell you "its jsut a civic";) |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by mik101
Now you're just being picky... if you want to be generationally specific, Z6 head on D15 block for OBD1 Civics and Y8 head on D16Y7 block for OBD2 Civics, but again any combination will work if you use a conversion harness on the ecu side and make any necessary plug/repinning changes under the hood. ie Y8 head on a D15 block, or even a Z6/Y8 head on a D16A6 block. Yay for them being like lego. :D
I'm Glad Someone else around here Knows their shit!
lol.. Anyway..
I Did My turbo kit for Under $400.. Including a JRC Intercooler.. :thumbup: |
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| Filcan |
| where did you get your kit from soulfly? |
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| mik101 |
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Originally posted by Soulfly
I'm Glad Someone else around here Knows their shit!
lol.. Anyway..
I Did My turbo kit for Under $400.. Including a JRC Intercooler.. :thumbup:
Nice, definitely getting the most for your dollar there. :thumbup: Using an STD manifold and adapter plate I assume? That's how I did mine on the Y8.
Want to help me piece a kit together for my B16 over the winter? Haha. :fingersx: |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by mik101
Nice, definitely getting the most for your dollar there. :thumbup: Using an STD manifold and adapter plate I assume? That's how I did mine on the Y8.
Want to help me piece a kit together for my B16 over the winter? Haha. :fingersx:
lol.. Yep Used the Civic HF manifold.. and Made my own Adapter plate to bolt up... :p
and if you've done it before.. you shouldn't need help!! :lol: :lol:
But if you need some 'Out of car' Welding.. I may be able to help you out.. :thumbup: |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by Filcan
where did you get your kit from soulfly?
You can't buy a kit for less than $400..
I peiced everything together myself.. :p |
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| mik101 |
| Yeah it's mostly the welding I need help with... everything I could piece together myself... it's just whether or not someone with connections around here could get things cheaper. ;) I don't really know anyone... just moved here. Must find job first... money that was supposed to go towards piecing together a kit has turned into money to live off of lol. |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by mik101
Yeah it's mostly the welding I need help with... everything I could piece together myself... it's just whether or not someone with connections around here could get things cheaper. ;) I don't really know anyone... just moved here. Must find job first... money that was supposed to go towards piecing together a kit has turned into money to live off of lol.
Well add me to MSN.. soulfly@shaw.ca .. I'll lend a Hand.. and hey.. Why not come out to Wings tonight with the rest of the CEVO Guys? :p
Add me to MSN.. We talk! :thumbup: |
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| Britain |
Filcan has an intake and a muffler now on his y7. Good start!
Boost it or i/h/e that car! An exhaust is needed either way though! |
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| boosted_88_crx |
Listen IT PAYS TO PLAY...if u dont wanna pay dont play..
and to the guy that seems like he can beat any honda all motor ...see u at the track next season.. |
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| b_rad94 |
www.homemadeturbo.com is your friend..
I read up on there, asked some questions and then built my own turbo kit for pretty cheap this last summer... |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by b_rad94
www.homemadeturbo.com is your friend..
I read up on there, asked some questions and then built my own turbo kit for pretty cheap this last summer...
My Turbo kit would have lasted also.... If the Turbo was any good... lol.. I just bought a new turbo.. so.. we'll defenately give it a go Next Year (Summer time).. :thumbup:
But anyway.. If your looking for a Cheap turbo kit.. I could have it done for you.. about $800 and I could peice you together a kit.. :thumbup: |
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| 95IntegraRS |
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Originally posted by nismokutz
and how much are you into ur car??? $ 14000....me i am only at 7500 with the purchase of the car...lol, damn if i spent 14000 on my it better be in the damn 10's...lol
I think you should spend some money on bodywork and fix that piece of shit up. Then worry about running your mouth. |
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| vr6T |
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Originally posted by 95IntegraRS
I think you should spend some money on bodywork and fix that piece of shit up. Then worry about running your mouth.
LOL
People are so funny. Why are there so many people in the car world that have to make comparisons? "well I have a stock engine", "I have less money invested", I have 4 doors", "I have 18" wheels"..... if you need an excuse for being slow, so be it. Also, no post is complete without a reference to their 10 second car. It would take a shitload more then $14000 to get your car running 10 seconds, probably closer to $140,000.
It's pretty easy to make almost any car out there run 13 seconds in the 1/4 mile. Just not for long like most these guys with their $500 turbo kits. The car hauled A$$ for the 5 minutes it ran. If you're planning on a turbo kit, plan on $3000 minimum to do it, or else just sell the car now while you can get some money for it before it's blown up rusting in your backyard.
remember this:
$500 = 13 seconds for 1 week
$3000 = 13 seconds for 2-5 years. |
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| Soulfly |
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Originally posted by vr6T
LOL
People are so funny. Why are there so many people in the car world that have to make comparisons? "well I have a stock engine", "I have less money invested", I have 4 doors", "I have 18" wheels"..... if you need an excuse for being slow, so be it. Also, no post is complete without a reference to their 10 second car. It would take a shitload more then $14000 to get your car running 10 seconds, probably closer to $140,000.
It's pretty easy to make almost any car out there run 13 seconds in the 1/4 mile. Just not for long like most these guys with their $500 turbo kits. The car hauled A$$ for the 5 minutes it ran. If you're planning on a turbo kit, plan on $3000 minimum to do it, or else just sell the car now while you can get some money for it before it's blown up rusting in your backyard.
remember this:
$500 = 13 seconds for 1 week
$3000 = 13 seconds for 2-5 years.
So true..
My $400 kit didn't last long.. only because the turbo was free. and the seals were in BAD shape.. they blew after abouta month.. |
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| EK9Hatch |
vr6T - Im just curious where you are getting this magic number of 2-5 years when building a turbo kit costing $3000?
Im not sure if you know this, but the more money you spend on a race car, the LESS it will last. What I'm talking about is Top Fuel dragsters. Each motor last a very short time and the cluthes are actually changed every 2-3 runs. Another example would be F-1 cars. The reason behind this, is because they are pushing the max limits on these parts.
These same principles are true with street cars. If you are running high boost, even with forged internals, it will not last long. Even under ideal conditions with no detination, the motor will give out sooner or later.
Why do you think production cars are made with cast parts? Foremost to save money, but also for durability.
Quality pays off a lot, but for the average builder, you are better off just making a cheap turbo kit and having fun. Sure it wont hold 400+HP, but in all honesty, who here has the much power anyways?
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| 95IntegraRS |
Seriously, run what you brung. I mean honestly, sometimes there are valid excuses for losing a race. But making excuses about how much money someone else spent on their car in comparison or various other stupid arguements is just retarded.
And Kutz, what the fuck is so special about your car that you think you can take on the Civic? A disco potato on an SR20? Give me a break, you don't have a chance. |
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| vr6T |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
vr6T - Im just curious where you are getting this magic number of 2-5 years when building a turbo kit costing $3000?
Im not sure if you know this, but the more money you spend on a race car, the LESS it will last. What I'm talking about is Top Fuel dragsters. Each motor last a very short time and the cluthes are actually changed every 2-3 runs. Another example would be F-1 cars. The reason behind this, is because they are pushing the max limits on these parts.
These same principles are true with street cars. If you are running high boost, even with forged internals, it will not last long. Even under ideal conditions with no detination, the motor will give out sooner or later.
Why do you think production cars are made with cast parts? Foremost to save money, but also for durability.
Quality pays off a lot, but for the average builder, you are better off just making a cheap turbo kit and having fun. Sure it wont hold 400+HP, but in all honesty, who here has the much power anyways?
Jamie
You should explain your theory to others and see what they think. "Im not sure if you know this, but the more money you spend on a race car, the LESS it will last." That's some funny shit right there. I guess you are right though. If I spend no money buying a car, and no money turboing it, it will last forever (in my mind)
Heres some answers:
"vr6T - Im just curious where you are getting this magic number of 2-5 years when building a turbo kit costing $3000?"
based on experience from several cars I've built
"Why do you think production cars are made with cast parts? Foremost to save money, but also for durability."
forged internals are MUCH stronger then cast, there are no comparisons with durability. The fact is cost and nothing else why car manufacturers use cast.
"Quality pays off a lot, but for the average builder, you are better off just making a cheap turbo kit and having fun. Sure it wont hold 400+HP, but in all honesty, who here has the much power anyways?"
I have much more then 400hp
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| greyfire71 |
| so where wher you from before comin to edmonton??? |
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| 2forgo |
my penis is this big:
B=================================D
when I am on the internet.... |
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| Britain |
| It's 3 maybe 4 inches loing and .5 of a cm wide? Nice.. Hahhah. Close this thread please. Its going nowhere and the guy is a thief.. |
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