| DSM Fuel/Spark issue. - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| 95EagleAWD |
Alright, I got my Galant today, but it won't start. When I got it, the fucking shipping company had left the key in the "acc" position, so it was completely dead. We boosted it off my friend's STI for about ten minutes. Headlights, taillights, dash, fan, all work now. The engine turns over. It cranks and cranks and cranks. It just won't fire.
It's getting fuel, I can smell it in there. Spark is unconfirmed. I'm gonna swap the plugs when I go at it tomorrow, but any help you guys can give would be appreciated! |
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| 95EagleAWD |
| NVM... think I found it. |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| What did it end up being Ryan ? |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Haven't found it.
Will be towing it to your shop, Matt. |
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| fatbastard |
| Flooded all to hell, or simply there isn't enough voltage. I've seen the voltage issue a few times now. Put it on a charger for a day, and pull the plugs. Make sure they are gapped correctly (.030 or .032) and see what happens. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Yeah, Darin, I'm gonna put a whole new battery in it tomorrow.
There's no sense in charging a POS battery when winter's coming anyways.
Hopefully that works. If not, tow truck time. (Gee, that's a familiar scene!) |
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| 95EagleAWD |
| I'm starting simple and going from there. |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| Don't worry, we will definately get the problem solved for you if you cannot figure it out yourself Ryan. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Yeah, I'll probably be dropping it by tomorrow if it doesn't crank.
I'm "sick" for work. :thumbup: |
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| fatbastard |
Think of it this way, they got in on the transport somehow, and if the key was left on, then I have my doubts that it's somethign serious.
It may be flooded since you can smell fuel, and might've washed the rings out BIG TIME. Pull the fusible link marked MPI (right off the battery post) and dump a bit of oil down the cylinder holes. Put the plugs back in and crank it over for a bit. Pulling the MPI fuse disables the entire injection/ecu/spark system on the car. Put the fuse back in and try starting it. I remember one car that they had to tow around the parking lot to get it started it was so flooded. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Darin, we did a compression test on it today.
Nothing.
The gauge didn't even twitch.
WTF? Even blown engines usually show up like 50-60 compression. It's got nothing. |
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| McFly |
Nothing on all 4 ryan?
if so that's messed.
to have zero compression you need to either have bent valves or holes in your pistons(or simular damage)
If the timing belt had skipped and it was running it would be possible that it caused it.
I know screwed timing can cause a bad start:dunno:
Pull the belt cover off and visually and physicaly inspect the tension and teeth.
I asume the 4g63 is interference though. |
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| Lococoin |
| i would be making sure that gauge is working first. Thats the easiest step. Even my car with a burnt valve would show 25 lbs. |
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| fatbastard |
Make sure you a working tester, I find that hard to beleive. On cranking you can't hear any contact? Check the Tbelt. Do the oil thing that I mentioned.
After all that, you're pulling the head. |
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| Blaine B. |
| 16 bent valves? |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Dunno.
We used two compression testers, and both showed zero.
Point is, it won't start, and as far as I'm concerned, the shipping company needs to answer some serious questions. |
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| Talontsi96 |
Well....
If its zero compression then you may have a problem. Darin is right about washing the rings down when you were cranking it for so long. This happened to me. When a compresison test was done, the compression was stupid low. The car would not start by cranking. What needed to be done was the car had to be towed around a parking lot and stuck in first or second gear in order to get the engine turning over fast enough to get enough dynamic compresion so that it would start. Once it started we let it idle for about an hour. After that the compression was back and the car started no problem. I don't think that the compression was 0 though when we did the compression test. It was stupid low but not that low....
You may want to try what Darin suggested, put a bit of oil down the cylinders and try push/pull starting the car.... If your timing belt slipped or broke and you bent valves you mangled the engine allready by trying to start it so you really have nothing to loose. |
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| DSM |
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Originally posted by fatbastard
Make sure you a working tester, I find that hard to beleive. On cranking you can't hear any contact? Check the Tbelt. Do the oil thing that I mentioned.
After all that, you're pulling the head.
We used 2 testers and both work fine. If you put your hand over the spark plug hole you can barely feel any air, a very slight breeze. We put air into the engine and it was coming out of the intake and exhaust. There is no piston hitting valve sounds when the car is cranking over. |
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| Blaine B. |
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Originally posted by DSM
We used 2 testers and both work fine. If you put your hand over the spark plug hole you can barely feel any air, a very slight breeze. We put air into the engine and it was coming out of the intake and exhaust. There is no piston hitting valve sounds when the car is cranking over.
That's because all the valves are safely bent out of the way already.;) |
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| McFly |
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Originally posted by Blaine B.
That's because all the valves arel safely bent out of the way already.;)
:lol:
But i still am saying bent valves:( |
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| fatbastard |
| Likely bent valves, but did you make sure the engine was at TDC before pumping air into it? |
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| Godzilla |
| just curious, did anyone check to see if the timing belt was still in one peice?? |
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| Talontsi96 |
| Take the valve cover off and check for popped off rockers. If your rockers are popped off then you fucked up your valves with piston impact. If the rockers are all on nicely, check the timing marks on the cam gears ad crank pully. If they are all aligned and the rockers are all on, you probably did not bend any valves and just washed the fuck out of your pistn walls during cranking and flooding of the engine. Did fully you open up the throttlebody during your compression checks? |
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| DSM |
| We are not touching the car until Ryan figures out everything with the previous buyer and the shipping company. |
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| DSM |
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Originally posted by Godzilla
just curious, did anyone check to see if the timing belt was still in one peice??
Yes it is. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by DSM
We are not touching the car until Ryan figures out everything with the previous buyer and the shipping company.
Kris, I'll have to swing by tomorrow and grab the paperwork out of the car. Anyone gonna be there like 1ish ?
Then I'll have to call my buddies dad (lawyer) and see what I can do.
Then I'm calling Car Couriers and telling them that I'll be filing a claim against them.
Hopefully, you guys will be tearing down the engine early next week. |
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| Talontsi96 |
Before you completely tare down the engine, pop the valve cover check the rockers and check proper alignments of the timing marks on the valve timing system. If all those check out, try to start the car with the method I suggested. Its a slim chance that it will work but it may (it worked for me). If the timing marks and rockers don't check out, you know what youre up against....
Paul |
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| DSM |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Kris, I'll have to swing by tomorrow and grab the paperwork out of the car. Anyone gonna be there like 1ish ?
I don't know if I will be but Martin should. |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| I won't be there either Ryan, so maybe give the shop a call beforehand and make sure he is around. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by 95IntegraRS
I won't be there either Ryan, so maybe give the shop a call beforehand and make sure he is around.
Yeah, cuz he's real good at answering phones!! :lol: |
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| Fish_e_o |
| what motor does it have? |
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| DSM |
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Originally posted by Fish_e_o
what motor does it have?
4G63 |
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| Fish_e_o |
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Originally posted by DSM
4G63
2.0L??? |
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| RS13.2 |
Maybe your crank walked away somewhere south of the boarder??
Sorry i just had to. Hopefully the company will take responsibility |
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| DSM |
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Originally posted by Fish_e_o
2.0L???
Unless there is some weird 4G63 that I don't know about yes it is a 2.0L. |
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| McFly |
85mm bore x 88mm stroke or 84mm bore x 90mm stroke?
I just finished reading scc:) |
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| DSM |
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Originally posted by McFly
85mm bore x 88mm stroke or 84mm bore x 90mm stroke?
I just finished reading scc:)
Well those really aren't a true 4G63. But any ways his is just a standard 2.0L stock 4G63. |
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| Fish_e_o |
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Originally posted by DSM
Unless there is some weird 4G63 that I don't know about yes it is a 2.0L.
meh i don't know your number and letter crap:lol:
all i know is that the 2.0l is an interferaince motor and what people to is replace the timeing belt after it snaps and call it as good as new..
good luck but don't pull it apart until they are with you because they'll think something is up (they may not even know about the problem) |
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| fatbastard |
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Originally posted by DSM
Well those really aren't a true 4G63. But any ways his is just a standard 2.0L stock 4G63.
Uhhh, 85x88 IS a true 4G63. And if you just slap a new belt on a 4G63 that the tbelt broke on, it likely won't run. Thats one of the stupidest thing I've ever heard. |
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| McFly |
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Originally posted by DSM
Well those really aren't a true 4G63. But any ways his is just a standard 2.0L stock 4G63.
the mighty max pickup hada 4g63 with a 84mmx90mm :dunno:
so you have 1996cc of displacement other then the evo's 1997 |
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| Fish_e_o |
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Originally posted by fatbastard
Uhhh, 85x88 IS a true 4G63. And if you just slap a new belt on a 4G63 that the tbelt broke on, it likely won't run. Thats one of the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
people do it with neons all the time!!
timing belt snaps so they throw on a new one, then the car doesn't run right so they sell it... |
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| talonstylz |
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Originally posted by Fish_e_o
people do it with neons all the time!!
timing belt snaps so they throw on a new one, then the car doesn't run right so they sell it...
a talon engine, being a 4g63 will not run at all, if the belt snaps, skips, whatever, you got bent valves, witch leads to no compresion, and no running car. |
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| Fish_e_o |
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Originally posted by talonstylz
a talon engine, being a 4g63 will not run at all, if the belt snaps, skips, whatever, you got bent valves, witch leads to no compresion, and no running car.
right...:blink:
thanks for pointing out the obvious:dunno:
thats why i asked what motor it was becuase if it was a non interferaince motor we could rule it out:thumbup: |
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| Fish_e_o |
does it sound like hell when it cranks??
it's really rare but when a neon sits for a long time with bad oil or something the lifters will stick and not close the valves properly
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they say drain your oil then fill with 1/2 to 3/4 diesel and then the rest oil and run/ crank for 10 minutes or so
i wouldn't do it though... not only does it sound dumb but all that gunk crap will fall down to the oil pick up and all of the sudden you're pumping "sludge" to your engine. many engines have bben killed doing it:dunno:
it's a thought... i'm not going to say to do it but if you pull the valve cover you should be able to see if the valves are bent (ofte there is other top end damage and scrpae marks on the cam) |
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| DSM |
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Originally posted by McFly
the mighty max pickup hada 4g63 with a 84mmx90mm :dunno:
so you have 1996cc of displacement other then the evo's 1997
Are you sure that isn't the 4G64? A 6 bolt 2.4L engine? |
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| talonstylz |
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Originally posted by Fish_e_o
right...:blink:
thanks for pointing out the obvious:dunno:
thats why i asked what motor it was becuase if it was a non interferaince motor we could rule it out:thumbup:
I'm pointing out the obvious cause you cant get it threw your head that a neon engine and a 4g63 are completly different, and for some reason you dont seem to understand that. |
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| McFly |
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Originally posted by DSM
Are you sure that isn't the 4G64? A 6 bolt 2.4L engine?
no do the math
there are two variations of the 4g63's displacement:) |
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| Fish_e_o |
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Originally posted by talonstylz
I'm pointing out the obvious cause you cant get it threw your head that a neon engine and a 4g63 are completly different, and for some reason you dont seem to understand that.
your'e really slow aren't you:drama:
i said that they do the same thing.. just replace the timeing belt and don't look at the valves
is it that hard to understand IGNORANCE HAS NO MOTOR!!! |
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| 95EagleAWD |
| Take it somewhere else for God's sake. |
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| Fish_e_o |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Take it somewhere else for God's sake.
i agree if he has a problem he can pm me and work it out
i really don't even know what his problem was with my post
maybe he misunderstood
anything from the people who sould you the car? |
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