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chu77
Well, there's this "dealer" who I've been emailing back and forth about selling my integra. In the end we've agreed to a price for my integra Gs-R with a jdm b20b engine in it. Now, he wants me to give him a "ROYAL BANK OF CANADA " account so he can send me money.

He said
quote:
"After pay has reached you, our agent will come for the pick up and drive to a prepaid shipper to be shipped to my customer,while title papers and other necessary documents would be sent by you via courier to my customer. "

Please Confirm this and provide your

1. LEGAL NAME..............................................

2. TELEPHONE...............................................

3. HOME ADDRESS ...........................................

4. R.B.C BANK ACCOUNT INFO.........................

Regards
ENGR WILLIAMS WRIGHT




Anyone heard of this "ENGR WILLIAMS WRIGHT"? I'm asking him for his company name, located, phone number before I do anything.

We have emailed a least for the last 3 weeks about the car, but the last email he copied and pasted the same email but with a "St geroge" bank account.

He explained as
quote:
THE PREVIOUS MAIL IT WAS A MISTAKE FROM MY PERSONNAL SECETARY, IT WAS MEANT TO BE A CANADIAN ACCOUNT(ROYAL BANK OF CANADA), BUT WE JUST FINISHED DEALING WITH A CAR DEALER IN AUSTRALIA.WE ARE SORRY ABOUT THIS, PLEASE BEAR WITH US.


Yes, he likes to write in FULL CAPS.......and spelling mistakes.....Grammer error....

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So you guys think this is a scam? What can he do with my name, address, number and bank account number? Steal money that way?

vr6T
To do a bank transfer, all he needs is the acct. # (transit/branch/account) to transfer the money into. DO NOT give out your other personal info. I'm pretty sure with all the info, he could do a lot of bad things ;)

ohboyitsme
Post the full header from a couple of the emails. Lets see where he is coming from. I'm betting it's an African IP.

bluSRT
Wow I cant believe you are unsure if this is a scam or not. Simple answer......



YES

:smack:

TrevorK
I'd stop for a moment and think.

Is my Integra that special that someone is going to buy it, sight unseen, and have it shipped to them?



Logic would say no.

If this was a Hemi Cuda, all numbers matching, complete restoration then yes. A 1994 Integra? Not a chance.

chu77
But, we've been talking for 3 weeks. The prices they gave me seem fair too.......

Would someone who was to scam spend 3 weeks adjusting the price triing to scam someone?

bluSRT
Ok you are obviously very gullible. Do a search on scams on Google. Or hey go through with it and tell us how it works out. :rolleyes:




*EDIT*

Here I will help you out a bit....


http://www.joewein.de/sw/fraud-car-buyer.htm

http://www.scambusters.org/russian-scams.html

chickendreamer
Scam

CharLiee
just do it

mwdguy
Do it

ChromeDragon
Do it and I can interview you for a story once you get duped out of your car and a bunch of money.

Tell the guy to send a bank draft or there is no sale.

boarderfatty
quote:
Originally posted by vr6T
To do a bank transfer, all he needs is the acct. # (transit/branch/account) to transfer the money into. DO NOT give out your other personal info. I'm pretty sure with all the info, he could do a lot of bad things ;)


prob is a scam, but just to correct this statement, to do an internal transfere(ie. RBC to RBC, r TD to TD) all you need is the branch and account number. To do a wire transfere you need the full name and adress of the recieving person, the receiving bank's name, adress, and routing number, as well as the branch, transit and account number.

edmCRX

Don_the_dragon
If you think it's a fair price then it's probably a scam, because he's never seen the car, and even if he did, he probably wouldnt pay what you're asking. Seriously It's an 90s Integra, not an 05 Impreza, so a purchase sight unseen? GL

jzz30tt
Just create a new account specifically for the sale and any other online dealings.

Have no connections from your regular account to that account, make sure it's an entirely different entity. Then do an internal transfer of the funds out of that account to your regular account after the sale. That should limit the risk somewhat.

kevjs
If he is a dealer you should be able to confirm his business license with the city/town he is operating in. If you post the headers from the emails his general location can be determined.

bluSRT
quote:
Originally posted by jzz30tt
Just create a new account specifically for the sale and any other online dealings.

Have no connections from your regular account to that account, make sure it's an entirely different entity. Then do an internal transfer of the funds out of that account to your regular account after the sale. That should limit the risk somewhat.



Why even bother, its a obvious scam. So no need to waste the time or risk, really. :dunno:

jzz30tt
Ya i guess, anyways this is still a good idea for anyone buying stuff online. Create a Separate account and transfer funds in and out as needed.

The separation of accounts is always a good thing

Bad Egg
It doesn't have to be a big dollar purchase for the scam to work. In fact, it works better for the con artist because the mark is less suspicious.

I wouldn't even trust a certified check from this type of source because of all the forgeries.

chu77
How do you post a "header"?

Soulfly
If anyone hasn't said yet...

make a seperate Back account.. and give him that Information, Tell the bank, No moneys are be be taken OUT.. ONLY Deposited .. they are to only be taken out by yourself.

bluSRT
quote:
Originally posted by Soulfly
If anyone hasn't said yet...

make a seperate Back account.. and give him that Information, Tell the bank, No moneys are be be taken OUT.. ONLY Deposited .. they are to only be taken out by yourself.



Knowing that he is a scammer, I would personally not want him to know:

1)My full legal name
2)My bank account information
3)My full address
4) And phone number.

But thats just me.

Shabdi
I do not post very often.
I have read numerous threads you have made.
I understand you seem to consider yourself a smart individual
however I am dissapointed in regards to you asking this is a scam or not?

I reccomend you taking Chrome Dragons adivse I would like to read a Edmonton Sun bit on how a young boy got scammed, so others dont fall for the same thing.

:beer: : " Hmm my grammars off to many I's."

boarderfatty
quote:
Originally posted by Shabdi

I understand you seem to consider yourself a smart individual



I think he made a post here asking a legitimate question and hoped for honest opinions to either credit, or discredit his opinion on the matter ( which I sensed he showed a little skepticism towards the offer in his first post) and not to be flamed by people in almost every post.

chu77
Thanks boarderfatty !

Yeah, I made this post for 2 reasons.

1) To comfirm my suspecions, it sounded fishy to me from the start

2) To let anyone else know who might be contacted by the same person.

Funny, these days I'm getting flamed for 90% of my posts. Seems like this forum isn't like it use to be. I'm trying to look out for you guys,,,,,,,


edit: The guy replys with some company infor.

He saids he's from UK, but his english doesn't cut it. The phone number seems random. He's pushing for my banking infor.......

quote:
hello Mr Henry,

we appreciate your concern, am a private car dealer (Willis autos), located in the u.k,we sell cars to our clients, and our benefits is the profit that we make in the car we sell to our clients, and as such we might say we do business.our phone network are temporally out of service +447046582328, we would advice you provide yours so we can call you for further assistance.please Mr Henry, do endeavour to send us this banking details.thanks
regards as we await your swift response

Engr Williams wright

fatbastard
Henry, don't do it, it's bullshit. There are many documented scams with people from overseas. If you can't sell it locally then don't sell it. It's not just Buyer Beware anymore.

Anything can be forged these days, and information is worth alot of money. Be careful with whom you give it out to.

bluSRT
Regarding the phone number:

(This is from a website)


Scam phone numbers in the United Kingdom (+44):


"Most "419" scams using +44 70xx numbers involve emails that are sent from Nigeria and other West African countries, not from the UK! If you see a +44 70xx number in a 419 scam email it usually means you're dealing with criminals based in Nigeria.

In most cases when you call one of these numbers the phone that starts ringing will actually be a mobile phone somewhere in Nigeria, as the UK number has been programmed to auto-forward calls to another number. These +44 70xx numbers are used as a redirector service to obscure the fact that the person taking the call is not actually based in Europe. The UK number is used to lend credibility to the scam. Unfortunately the authorities in the UK do not seem to be taking action to shut down such phone numbers. "


*EDIT*

Here is a page on exactly what is going on in your situation.

http://www.used-car-advisor.com/car-buyer-scam.htm

ohboyitsme
Instructions on viewing the full header information may be found at:
http://spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/19.html

Free header reading tool:
http://spam-abuse.sourceforge.net

chu77
Got it guys, not going to do it. Anyways I've found another buyer locally so that will work out for me much better.

The guys is still emialing me even when I've not reply to him for 2 days.

quote:
Hello mr henry,

Goodday, well we just contacted our client about our development in
your assistance in opening a new account for the transaction , and the
questions asked by the bank,and he said that since this is not a
pre-existing account , would there be any problems?because most times
the money would be delayed by the bank because it's a new account and
that he wouldn't attain such , so he will like to know if you can
handle it ? and as such he would like to know your status, like what
you do for a living? and how old you are?
please do not get up-set with thisquestions, we work with directives
from our client as we told you.thanks.
regards as we await your swift reponse

Engr williams wright

fiero_TyPe_s
I got the same type of e-mails when i listed my old skyline 4 sale.

Shady right from the get go, Infomation is a powerfull thing these days. thanks for posting your experiance.

ohboyitsme
Post the header. I wanna see if he's from Africa.

dtjohnst
Obviously a scam, do a search on google for "scamming the scammer" and weasle a few bucks out of him.




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