| Austindsm |
I Just bought this car on wednesday this week
http://forums.780tuners.com/showthr...;threadid=51427
And on thursday i called fulblown motorsports to get a price on a new front bumber cover. It talked to Josh at fulblown and he told me that the person i bought my car off of has a $3000 parts bill that is unpaid. So the the car was used as collateral for the unpaid parts bill. So i went to the registries friday morning and sure enought there is a lien on the cars title under fulblown motorsports.
When i purchased the car i asked the seller if there was any money oweing on the car as well as if there was any liens or encumberances. He told me there was not. When the bill of sale was filled out it was stated there was no liens on the car with the sellers signiture. To my knowledge this is a legal document that he had lied on which is fraud.
So i am looking for advise on what to do, i have never been in a situation like this before. I geuss this it was happens when you trust somebody...
Its not looking like he is willing to pay off the lien on the car so i am thibking of taking legal action. i am thinking of taking this to small claims court.
I believe that i should not be responsible to pay off his lien and that i am a victim of fraud.
Any Advise on what to do??
And i appreciate the patience and co-operation that Josh at Fulblown has towards my situation. |
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| dtjohnst |
Contact the police would be my advice, but I've never been in that situation. I know it's illegal to sell a car with a lien, and maybe even to buy, I haven't looked it up, which is why I'd report it asap. The idea is to CYA IMO.
You could also ask registries or the company who has the lien on the vehicle what you should do...they might have a better idea. |
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| twinturbo |
| if he doesn't pay off the lien, then I think he has to give you back your money because he lied on the bill of sale, which is a breach of a contract. but you have to report it right away or you'll be SOL! |
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| STiPWR |
I dont know for sure... but isnt this classified as "buyer beware?" I thought it was the purchasers responsibility to have a lean check done?
I hope you dont have to pay anything.. and this gets resolved.
Yet another time where buyer/seller feedback on users would be a good idea. |
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| vr6T |
| If the bill of sale says "this vehicle is free of all liens" then you don't have much to worry about. It would clearly be in the sellers best interest and pay the lien off before you report it. He could be in a lot more trouble then a $3000 bill. |
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| TrevorK |
Sorry to hear about this - it's a real shitty situation to be in.
If the seller of the vehicle is basically telling you he's not going to do anything then the only recourse you have is small claims court. This is a civil matter (I don't see how there could be any criminal charges against him, as it is your responsibility to do a lien search regardless) and when brought in front of the judge the signed sale document he has presented you combined with Josh's testimony (That yes, the seller knew about the lien) should give you a judgement in your favour. |
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| l8rm8 |
| I know in ontario you can't sell a vehical without a sellars package. Which reports liens on the title as well as previous owners and odometer checks. Is it the same here? that would have told you if there was a lien on it. I would say it's not required here, by the sounds of things. |
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| baker_jeff |
For everyone to know, the seller didnt have a fucking clue there was a lien on the vehicle. Josh @ Fulblown put it on and didnt tell Derek (the seller). Great business practice right there.
I've talked to Derek and he is going to do what he can to clear this bullshit up.
Thumbs down to Fulblown. :rolleyes: |
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| STiPWR |
quote:
Originally posted by baker_jeff
For everyone to know, the seller didnt have a fucking clue there was a lien on the vehicle. Josh @ Fulblown put it on and didnt tell Derek (the seller). Great business practice right there.
I've talked to Derek and he is going to do what he can to clear this bullshit up.
Thumbs down to Fulblown. :rolleyes:
I had a feeling thats what went down. |
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| 2ndgenlude |
| holy shit, thumbs down to fulblown for sure. you can't just throw a $3000 lien on a car and not tell anyone :rolleyes: |
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| Eclipser |
| They ever fix the rust on the strut towers on that thing? Or just try to cover it up more than it was? |
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| Eclipser |
quote:
Originally posted by baker_jeff
For everyone to know, the seller didnt have a fucking clue there was a lien on the vehicle. Josh @ Fulblown put it on and didnt tell Derek (the seller). Great business practice right there.
I've talked to Derek and he is going to do what he can to clear this bullshit up.
Thumbs down to Fulblown. :rolleyes:
Not surprised at all. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Thumbs down to the seller having a $3,000 parts bill outstanding long enough that the shop felt the need to put a lien against it. |
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| McFly |
| and this is why we take a walk into the registries office with the cars serial number in hand and 10 dollars in the other. |
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| THUD |
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Originally posted by McFly
and this is why we take a walk into the registries office with the cars serial number in hand and 10 dollars in the other.
I thought it was $14, every time I buy a car I get a the VIN checked before I go get money that way you can find out if it's legit all around but it is the seller who will be left the bill or simpley get your money back the seller would have no choice if he give any hassle there is a legal procces. :beer: |
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| SketchifisT |
Yeah this should be a wake up call for everyone buying the car, make sure its all clear, just cause the seller says it is, doesn't mean its true.
And yeah theres 2 sides to a story, no shop just puts a lien on a car, a 3000 dollar parts bill is pretty steep and obviously he didn't communicate with the owner and the owner felt he needed to put a lien on the car.
Last time i checked the owner of the car can state if he wants to use his car as collateral , i dont know the full story, but im not wantin to jump on flowblown right away, either way hopefully it gets worked out, and keep us up to date so this doesn't happen again with someone else |
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| Miss Nikki Sixx |
| i'd recommend you and the seller swap cash/cars again, and be done with the mess |
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| Renton |
| If I were you, I would buy another 240sx shell and swap all of the stuff from the car with the lien in to the shell. If you are smart enough you will know what I mean. After all its not your problem so why deal with it? |
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| Insomniac |
| worst advice eva |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by Renton
If I were you, I would buy another 240sx shell and swap all of the stuff from the car with the lien in to the shell. If you are smart enough you will know what I mean. After all its not your problem so why deal with it?
If it can be proven you did that (And with the VIN number on the engine it can) they can seize the parts that you swapped out as well. |
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| flatboy |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
Thumbs down to the seller having a $3,000 parts bill outstanding long enough that the shop felt the need to put a lien against it.
Shit you can't blame a company for trying to recover there money that is owed. Did the seller just think 'oh it will all go away'?
Fulblown:thumbup:
Sad for the buyer though a strong lesson. Good luck and I hope things work out in your favour, its a dam nice car. |
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| shawley |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
If it can be proven you did that (And with the VIN number on the engine it can) they can seize the parts that you swapped out as well.
i don't know if this car has a sr20??
but say it does? how can they track that? they can't because it's not an orginal motor, and honestly who would take the time to swap a ka24 into another 240, it's a waste of fuckin time, just pick up a sr20 for $1800 or less and pop it in the shell
shitty luck austin, deffinitly talk to a lawyer and see where the issue stands with them |
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| 3gec |
| Just wondering doesn't the person who owns the vehicle have to sign something saying yes I agree that if I do not pay the lender that the car becomes theres? For some reason I don't think you could just go and put a lien on something without the owner knowing / signing something? |
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| Blackout |
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is fulblown under a new owner or is it gone completely? if its gone completely...its hard to owe money to a company that doesn't exist anymore right?
in my opinion fulblown looks like a shady shop and i wouldn't be suprised if what baker said is true. |
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| Eclipser |
| Dj auto is still owned by josh, but dj auto previously only did importing, now they just do everything. Same shit, different name. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
| Shitty Austin, that sucks balls big time. |
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| Transporter |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
Thumbs down to the seller having a $3,000 parts bill outstanding long enough that the shop felt the need to put a lien against it.
second that
really i don't the whole story and really don't even care (not my concern)
as buyer of lien vehicle i would tell you to seek legal advice and if it all possible just return the car back and get your money back and go shop eleswhere.
i just bought a car and i did lien seach and carfax.. before purchasing. |
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| Austindsm |
i appreciate all the advise
i stopped by the police station saturday and he said it was a cival matter and i need to contact a lawyer to get some legal advise.
the car has a SR20 but i think the turbo might be blown or sumthing else cause it has no boost and revs really slow.
I believe the guy i bought the car from is trying to work thing out with Josh to get the lien removed. I might give him a couple days before i take legal action. |
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| baker_jeff |
| Call me or Derek first before you do that Austin. |
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| Nis13 |
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Originally posted by vr6T
If the bill of sale says "this vehicle is free of all liens" then you don't have much to worry about. It would clearly be in the sellers best interest and pay the lien off before you report it. He could be in a lot more trouble then a $3000 bill.
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| turbomike |
| thumbs up to fullblown! pay your dam bills. you just sold a car... why dont you pay off the lien... |
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| Turbo_Civic92 |
| yea pay your bills what u think josh would just forget about a 3 grand bill that derek owed? Josh had every right to put a lien on that car and who are you to talk Jeff? After all josh has done for you in the past your one to not talk especially when u owe just as much |
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| Britain |
| If he just signed the registration and you used that as a "bill of sale" you're snookered. However.. If he gave you the 2 page on on the back it will say "liens" and if he has it marked that there are none then you're okay. Unfortunately it is the buyers responsibility to run a title search to see if any money is owing! This nearly happened when my mom bought here g35! Hope it all wors out bro! --charles |
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| baker_jeff |
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Originally posted by Turbo_Civic92
yea pay your bills what u think josh would just forget about a 3 grand bill that derek owed? Josh had every right to put a lien on that car and who are you to talk Jeff? After all josh has done for you in the past your one to not talk especially when u owe just as much
Yes, Josh was a great friend.
No, Josh did not attempt to help me when my engine blew under his care, then has the nerve to charge me OVER fucking retail?
Fuck that shit. Don't get me started. |
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| Turbo_Civic92 |
| WHAT?? who got your new engine right away from autodream for a grand Jeff??? Then you decide to go to mayfeild and get raped on the install. I was there the whole time dont bullshit me. Your A real good example of paying dues then you start opening your mouth and about josh and telling people not to pay up. YOU OWE PAY UP ITS GONE FAR ENOUGH. Ive read too many post from you running your mouth about josh it stops now for help me god i WILL find you...... |
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| Nis13 |
whats what shops like fullblown an EZ threating thier customers like this "i will find you" rather then "the police will be involved and we can deal with this civily"
Rather then a bunch of fagot gangsters who practive poor advertising, customer relations, and credabilty for your shop? If your not the owner you should be fired.
"ID FIND YOU FUCK YOU UP BITCH SLAP YO MAMMAS TITTIES AND THEN FIRE YOU" |
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| baker_jeff |
quote:
Originally posted by Nis13
whats what shops like fullblown an EZ threating thier customers like this "i will find you" rather then "the police will be involved and we can deal with this civily"
Rather then a bunch of fagot gangsters who practive poor advertising, customer relations, and credabilty for your shop? If your not the owner you should be fired.
"ID FIND YOU FUCK YOU UP BITCH SLAP YO MAMMAS TITTIES AND THEN FIRE YOU"
Exactly. Scott? Shut the fuck up. Your lawyers can talk to mine. :rolleyes: |
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| baker_jeff |
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Originally posted by Turbo_Civic92
Then you decide to go to mayfeild and get raped on the install.
Maybe it's cause I felt like paying out the ass to a CERTIFIED MECHANIC, instead of letting Josh and his outsourced helpers do mechanical work on my car, and letting it blow up. Dropped valve anyone? Re-using the old valve keepers anyone? :rolleyes: |
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| Insomniac |
Can someone explain what is going on?
What specifically is the lien for? |
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| Britain |
quote:
Originally posted by Nis13
whats what shops like fullblown an EZ threating thier customers like this "i will find you" rather then "the police will be involved and we can deal with this civily"
Rather then a bunch of fagot gangsters who practive poor advertising, customer relations, and credabilty for your shop? If your not the owner you should be fired.
"ID FIND YOU FUCK YOU UP BITCH SLAP YO MAMMAS TITTIES AND THEN FIRE YOU"
I don't know aout fulblow, but e-z isnt a legitimate business.. Keving would be bankrupt if the gov't ever fouind out about his cash under the table dealings (no tax). |
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| TrevorK |
Why don't we focus more on the topic of the thread from this point forward so it doesn't turn into a shitstorm and needs to be locked?
If you have feedback in regards to your dealings with a shop please post it in the Feedback section. This will allow other potential customers to review your dealings. |
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| D@DJAUTO.CA |
Talked to Josh today, hopefully this will clear up any confusion.
Here is the conclusion to this thread and hopefully it will be locked, as it is no longer relevent.
Austin's Lein issue has been resolved. He is the proud owner of a lein free, beautiful 240sx. Congrats on the purchase, its an amazing looking car. Hopefully you can get all the kinks out, and get to a couple shows.
All parties reached an agreement by civil means.
No lawyers or gangsters involved.
DR>
PS. Unless you see "DJAUTO.ca" in the handle of a post, that person is NOT a representative of DJ Auto Group. This is a forum and people are entitled to their own opinions, but realize if we have an issue with anyone, we will not be staging any smear campaigns over forums. |
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