| split |
| so last night i got pulled over for 'driving too fast for the conditions'. there's no speed written down or anything. I don't care about the money, i just don't want my insurance going up. What's the best thing to do? |
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| stybscelica |
1'st you need to give us the details of the ticket and the circumstances and have your question moved to the law enforcement section of the forum.
Cheers |
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| split |
i was driving to that riverbend car wash last night and when i exited off the whitemud, i punched it a bit and let the back-end slip out a bit (nothing dangerous). I think a cop may have seen that, and then followed me all the way to the carwash and then put his lights on when i got there.
I asked him if I was even speeding and he told me i was going 65 in the 50 zone, but its not marked down on the ticket. I told him its slippery out and this is my first RWD car, and he told me that he's not having a problem and gave me this ticket.
no matter what i'm going to get off this ticket, but i'm just wondering what the cheapest way is. If i don't have to get a lawyer that's better.
call i just call and say i'm willing to pay the ticket but not the demerits to avoid the court appearance? |
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| NESTLE |
| i dont know how many demerits it would take, but if money is not an issue, call points..PERIOD! |
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| split |
| well if i can save money by fighting it myself i will, but in the end, all i care about is not letting it affect my insurance because my insurance is high enough as it is. Is there someone I can call and just pleed my case to over the phone? or go see in person before the court appearance date or anything? |
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| NESTLE |
| i got a stunting ticket once, got points on it..paid 400$ for points and it got dropped to 0 demerits and a 115$ fine wich i never paid and its not even on my record anymore.....i would just take the easy way and give them a call |
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| split |
is points the best?
in the past i've dealt with "Got a Ticket Fight It" and its $300 and they also gaurantee 0 demerits. |
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| stybscelica |
Sounds to me that your a candadate for fighting it yourself. I'm giving you this info as you seem to be honest admitting you punched it a bit. But remember a bit and stunting in the eyes of the officer is different.
Here's what to do.
Step 1
Go take photo's of the road where you received the ticket. Must be taken today to acuratly represent your defence and be admitted into court.
Step 2
Print off the weather conditions from last night from Environment Canada or the Weather network.
Attend the first appearance court date well in advance and dressed in a suit or nice shirt and pant's with a tie. Take out or off any un necissary jewlery. Lip, eyebrow rings etc. Talk to the prosecuter politly and expain you are very sorry for what happened but you are a novice driver with X number of years driving experience.
You obvioulsy learned how to drive on a front wheel drive vehicle and most likely in the summer like the rest of us. If it's your first winter, driving rear wheel drive tell him. Don't lie though as he can check your registration at a later date.
Admit to making a mistake don't make excuses, and explain you don't feel the charge is necissary as you have learned your lesson and drive more cautiosly with a rear wheel drive vehicle.
If he isn't sympathetic, don't get made or pissed off, Remember he/she hear's every excuse in the book. Just advise him you will be pleading not guilty and would request disclosure.
Plead Not guilty in court and set a trial date.
Attend the trial date expain the circumstances to the trial Prosecuter and if he doesn't sympathisize with you trial here we come.
The prosecuter will call the officer to testify, The officer will testify and at the conclusion you will have an oppertunity to ask question's. Don't attack the officer and ask respectfull questrions if you have them.
When your finished it's your turn on the stand, Present your information and evidence in a cronological and professional fashon and you will do just as well as any Points lawyer as they are not lawyers they are ex- cops or corrections. Let the judge know your sorry it happened but everyone has to learn where the limits of traction are. And you only know that with driving experience. Of which of course you have very little with a RWD vehicle.
When questioning the police officer ask them about there driver training and how many years they have had driving a motor vehicle. Then ask them at any time has the rear end of the car slid out on slippery surfaces. They will have to say yes, If they say no they're lying. Everyone has lost control and slid at one point in there life. If The officer still say's no. Ask if they ever slid around a corner while driving responding to an emergency call. Guaranteed they have.
But if you feel more comfortable with points go ahead.
Cheers
P.S. Now this all said if your were practicing for your D1 appearance and the rear of the vehicle was see sawing all over the road, Fess up and pay the fine. You and the police officer are the only one's who know that. |
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| split |
thanks for the information. I think i got hooked up with an insider though that can get the ticket dropped for me, if he can't i'll either try this or get a lawyer.
and i wasn't practicing for D1 but i certainly didn't prevent the back-end from coming out.. i accelerated hard knowing that it might come out a bit, but not enough to be dangerous.
i didn't buy this car to drive like a sissy. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by split
thanks for the information. I think i got hooked up with an insider though that can get the ticket dropped for me, if he can't i'll either try this or get a lawyer.
and i wasn't practicing for D1 but i certainly didn't prevent the back-end from coming out.. i accelerated hard knowing that it might come out a bit, but not enough to be dangerous.
i didn't buy this car to drive like a sissy.
There is a sticky at the top of this forum that tells you how to go about pleading your case and getting the ticket dismissed before your court date.
That way, if you end up having to go to court you still have time to get a lawyer/ticket fighter. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| they wont write the speed on the ticket, they have it written in thier notes which are admissable evidence, i tried fighting this ticket before and wasnt very successful. |
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| split |
| ^ if that's the case i'm just going to get a lawyer to take care of it. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by split
so last night i got pulled over for 'driving too fast for the conditions'. there's no speed written down or anything. I don't care about the money, i just don't want my insurance going up. What's the best thing to do?
You don't have to be over the limit to be driving too fast for conditions. You can get that doing 45 in a 60 if it's deemed unsafe by the officer, and a judge just might agree with him in the right circumstances. |
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| split |
| its stupid, i have nokian hakkapelitta rsi tires that are amazing on ice.. it was perfectly safe. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by split
its stupid, i have nokian hakkapelitta rsi tires that are amazing on ice.. it was perfectly safe.
The key part of that was "if it's deemed unsafe by the officer". He doesn't know what kind of tires you have, all he knows is if you're passing other cars, you're going too fast for conditions. |
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| 180sxforthewin |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
The key part of that was "if it's deemed unsafe by the officer". He doesn't know what kind of tires you have, all he knows is if you're passing other cars, you're going too fast for conditions.
I really dont like these tickets that are at the decision of the officer. Because there are alot of factors which may not be know to the police officer at the time of the ticket.
Go to court and see if he shows. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by 180sxforthewin
I really dont like these tickets that are at the decision of the officer. Because there are alot of factors which may not be know to the police officer at the time of the ticket.
Go to court and see if he shows.
It's not the officer's job to know those factors. It's the officers job to make a decision based on the available information, and present facts in court if it goes there. |
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