| Invalid Zero |
| While they bring up some good points, that only applies to US law, and their constitution. |
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| dtjohnst |
Way.Too.Long. I watched 2/3 of it before getting bored.
While not everything they tell you to do in the video is protected by a right here in Canada, it's all a good idea.
For anyone who doesn't have 45 mins to waste I'll summarize.
-Never consent to searches
-Never admit to anything
-Always be polite and curteous
-Never argue
-Never run
-Never believe a cop wants to help you (that was my favorite line back in the day too)
The only thing I didn't agree with was only cracking your window during a traffic stop. Roll the whole thing down. If you or your passengers are doing drugs in your car, you deserve to be busted.
They gave away all our good secrets though. :-( Compound questions are the best. "Do you know what the speed limit is? Were you speeding?" "Are you hiding something? Mind if I take a look?"
I don't recommend outright lieing, but not knowing isn't illegal. "Were you speeding?" "I don't know officer. How fast was I going?" "Shouldn't you know?" "I'm sorry officer, I was watching the road and don't remember exactly what my speedometer said." It's bs, but you haven't done or said anything illegal. Even if you know he caught you.
I've only admitted to speeding once in my life, and it's because I saw the speed limit change sign ahead and was accelerating. But that's because there's no clearly defined line. When does the speed limit change? Where the next sign is? Within visual range? Where does the old limit stop? There's no clear definition on these points. Plus I knew my only ID on my at the time was my military ID which was inside my badge holder. :thumbup:
Here in Canada you don't have the right to not incriminate yourself, which is why I suggest "forgetting" details. As soon as an officer hints he may arrest you for something, tell him you want to "instruct and retain counsel without delay, and until such time as you speak to counsel, you do not consent to any searches of any kind." I'd quote that word for word here in Canada because that's the wording used in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. But make sure to slap a sir on the end.
There may be times when an officer is in a good mood and honestly just wants you to slow down. But despite what people think, police don't work for the people. They work for the government, and their job is to protect persons and property through enforcement of legally established laws. Every law out there exists to protect people in some way. Tax laws make sure taxes are paid, which in turn pay for police, military, hospitals, etc, when then protect people. Speeding is dangerous, drugs have been deemed to impair judgement, etc. Every law is to protect. (Loud mufflers might damage ears or keep babies awake causing air traffic controllers and doctors to be less alert, or may distract drivers and cause accidents)
Which means an officers ONLY responsibility is to see that anyone committing an offence stops, and usually that means some form of penalty is handed out as a deterrent. Your buddy might say he's been stopped 30 times and let off every time, but I call Bravo Sierra. Like guys who brag about going 100 over and getting let off. The only time you get let off is if it's minor or the officer feels he doesn't have the evidence to prosecute (or he's just lazy and doesn't want to do paperwork), but statistically speaking, it's an uncommon occurance to be let go.
There's Heavy's Guide To Police Encounters for you in a nutshell. |
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| fugumerkur |
Wow, makes you wonder how many rights you can just easily throw away or give up without knowing better.!
Anyone know where some local information can be found about what your rights are in some of those situations.
Heck I remember back in highschool I was walking to the bus and a cop drove right onto the grass right in front of me and arrested me, said I matched a description of a shoplifter and then searched my backpack, they found nothing and left. I hadn't even been in the mall that day.!
Coulda been a lot worse but hey, I would like to know more about my rights.
Gonna google some of it . Federal law and such
Ha, I wrote this post a little late didn't I!
Link to departmen of Justice
Link to Guarantee of Rights and Freedoms
Legal Rights
Life, liberty and security of person 7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.
Search or seizure 8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.
Detention or imprisonment 9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.
Arrest or detention 10. Everyone has the right on arrest or detention
a) to be informed promptly of the reasons therefor;
b) to retain and instruct counsel without delay and to be informed of that right; and
c) to have the validity of the detention determined by way of habeas corpus and to be released if the detention is not lawful.
On a Side note, I found this too. It is now in effect by the looks of it and should be taken very seriously!
STREET RACING BILL BECOMES LAW
OTTAWA, December 15, 2006 – The Honourable Vic Toews, Q.C., Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, today welcomed the Royal Assent and coming into force of Bill C-19, which will help protect Canada's streets and communities from the threat of street racing.
"People who disregard the safety of our streets must be met with serious consequences," said Minister Toews, "Bill C-19 amends the Criminal Code to create targeted, new offences to specifically combat street racing. This, activity is causing too many tragic and senseless fatalities on Canada's roadways."
These new offences build upon existing Criminal Code offences and provide enhanced maximum penalties of incarceration for the most serous street racing offences. Bill C-19 also creates mandatory minimum periods of driving prohibition for those convicted of street racing. "This is the type of penalty Canadians expect for those who abuse the privilege of operating a motor vehicle and put the lives of innocent people at risk," said Minister Toews.
The length of the driving prohibitions will increase for repeat offenders. In the most serious cases involving repeat street racing offenders, Bill C-19 provides for a mandatory lifetime driving prohibition. This would occur when an offender has at least two street racing convictions which have caused bodily harm or death and at least one of those convictions involves street racing causing death.
"Legitimate motor-sport activities will not be criminalized by Bill C-19," stated Minister Toews. "Races that occur on closed tracks, circuits, streets closed to the public or rallies that are sanctioned by recognised motor sport authorities and conducted in accordance with the law will not be affected by these amendments."
For an online version of the legislation, visit www.parl.gc.ca.
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| RoB |
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Originally posted by fugumerkur
STREET RACING BILL BECOMES LAW
OTTAWA, December 15, 2006 – The Honourable Vic Toews, Q.C., Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, today welcomed the Royal Assent and coming into force of Bill C-19, which will help protect Canada's streets and communities from the threat of street racing.
"People who disregard the safety of our streets must be met with serious consequences," said Minister Toews, "Bill C-19 amends the Criminal Code to create targeted, new offences to specifically combat street racing. This, activity is causing too many tragic and senseless fatalities on Canada's roadways."
These new offences build upon existing Criminal Code offences and provide enhanced maximum penalties of incarceration for the most serous street racing offences. Bill C-19 also creates mandatory minimum periods of driving prohibition for those convicted of street racing. "This is the type of penalty Canadians expect for those who abuse the privilege of operating a motor vehicle and put the lives of innocent people at risk," said Minister Toews.
The length of the driving prohibitions will increase for repeat offenders. In the most serious cases involving repeat street racing offenders, Bill C-19 provides for a mandatory lifetime driving prohibition. This would occur when an offender has at least two street racing convictions which have caused bodily harm or death and at least one of those convictions involves street racing causing death.
"Legitimate motor-sport activities will not be criminalized by Bill C-19," stated Minister Toews. "Races that occur on closed tracks, circuits, streets closed to the public or rallies that are sanctioned by recognised motor sport authorities and conducted in accordance with the law will not be affected by these amendments."
For an online version of the legislation, visit www.parl.gc.ca.
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I would be happy if they could some how keep the repeat drunk drivers off the road. All you hear about is accidents caused by repeat drunk drivers. |
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| Tech2 |
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Originally posted by RoB
I would be happy if they could some how keep the repeat drunk drivers off the road.
Werd to that.
For the street racing law you need what for a lifetime suspension... to be convicted of street racing causing death and injury twice. I wonder how many times that has happened in canada EVER.
But hey, at least they aren't crushing cars.
Here's to strong penalties for alcohol related crimes. Maybe one day we'll see some. |
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| SkiTLz |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Every law is to protect. (Loud mufflers might damage ears or keep babies awake causing air traffic controllers and doctors to be less alert, or may distract drivers and cause accidents)
Most of your post was sensible. I had to laugh at this though.. I guess me passing gas could spark up the winds off the gulf and possibly cause a ship to capsize.. Anythings possible.. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by SkiTLz
Most of your post was sensible. I had to laugh at this though.. I guess me passing gas could spark up the winds off the gulf and possibly cause a ship to capsize.. Anythings possible..
Try being a light sleeper, like me, and being woken up by fartcannons at all hours of the night then get up the next day and try and keep planes from crashing into each other. It's not as funny as you might think. |
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| SkiTLz |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Try being a light sleeper, like me, and being woken up by fartcannons at all hours of the night then get up the next day and try and keep planes from crashing into each other. It's not as funny as you might think.
Yea but on your logic we should probably establish building codes for better sound deadening in apartments so my noisey neighbours dont keep me up. Or debark all dogs? |
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| STiPWR |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
but I call Bravo Sierra.
Watchdog this is Foxhound, Sitrep... over...
Cut the Military Lingo or I'm sending over my sub-callsigns to arrange you a visit to the MIR under starlights extensive care.
Red Devils rule the ground... Out.
I cant believe you used that in a car forum:p |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by STiPWR
Watchdog this is Foxhound, Sitrep... over...
Cut the Military Lingo or I'm sending over my sub-callsigns to arrange you a visit to the MIR under starlights extensive care.
Red Devils rule the ground... Out.
I cant believe you used that in a car forum:p
I completely missed that heh.
Interesting the first 4 lines of the quote I don't see in normal view.. interesting... |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by SkiTLz
Yea but on your logic we should probably establish building codes for better sound deadening in apartments so my noisey neighbours dont keep me up. Or debark all dogs?
If you can't afford a mansion on ATC pay, you need to cut back on the cocaine. Same goes for anyone else who has a job where losing sleep is dangerous. Unfortunately, most houses are still in residential areas where punks keep people up by revving engines and racing down the road.
In my apartment, I NEVER hear any of my neighbors. Not a peep. Maybe I hear the water running through the pipes from time to time, but that's hardly enough to keep me up despite being a light sleeper.
Are mufflers the only things that do? No. But that's why there's usually bylaws about excessive noise between certain hours. I don't know what Edmonton has, but it's something. Either way, the law exists for a reason. You can either accept that, or keep fighting about it, but it can't be denied by anyone with half a brain that there is an underlying logic for the law.
Aaron, I never heard "Bravo Sierra" until I worked in aviation. We swore over open nets all the time in the military, in the civvi world, that's unacceptable. "bullshit" is 2 syllables, "Bravo Sierra" is 5 so it doesn't save anything, and I generally only use abbreviations when they save me time or if the alternative isn't acceptable. REMF instead of "the bosses", SNAFU instead of "I can't even describe the level to which this is fucked", shitpump instead of "a device who's primary purpose is the extraction of human excrement by using the force of suction", etc. Bravo Sierra is just a force of habit. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Aaron, I never heard "Bravo Sierra" until I worked in aviation. We swore over open nets all the time in the military, in the civvi world, that's unacceptable. "bullshit" is 2 syllables, "Bravo Sierra" is 5 so it doesn't save anything, and I generally only use abbreviations when they save me time or if the alternative isn't acceptable. REMF instead of "the bosses", SNAFU instead of "I can't even describe the level to which this is fucked", shitpump instead of "a device who's primary purpose is the extraction of human excrement by using the force of suction", etc. Bravo Sierra is just a force of habit.
You forgot the good ol' Foxtrot Uniform.
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