| fartcannon |
i have recently heard from various mechanics at my work and various other people that right hand drive is in the works of becoming completely illegal in canada. The government is in the process of making it legislation.
This is just what i have heard, anybody with any info on this, please share. I really want to import a car this spring but if this is the case im going just going to import one from the states. |
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| STiPWR |
| omg not again.:rolleyes: |
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| McFly |
| no and the next person to post this or anything along the lines gets a free kick in the nuts from my foot. |
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| fartcannon |
| really, oh sorry i take it its will not become illegal woot!!! haha free kick to my nads:lol: |
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| Britain |
| Even if it does happen your expemt if yuo already own the car.. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by Britain
Even if it does happen your expemt if yuo already own the car..
Did you forget to how to type? :dunno: |
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| Godzilla |
| can i kick your nuts too?:confused: |
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| Britain |
Kick away.... hahahaha.
It was meant to go "even if it does happen, you will be exempt if you already own a RHD car" |
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| jasonturbo |
I was gonna get all spiteful on RHD and say how the majority of people I meet that drive RHD are fags...
but then I realised most of the people I meet who are into cars are fags...
and it's not cause I chill at the gay bar either...
I had someone say to me once... ( you know who you are if you read this)
" I think people that can drive RHD just have more skill than regular drivers"
I think people that say garbage like that must have had a problem getting oxygen when they were born.
I believe that importation is going to get more difficult and expensive to the point that it's not worth importing a car unless you really want it.
I guess time will tell.
but for sure these threads are getting tired. |
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| THUD |
| I belive I someone said this last time a post like this happend....OMG the sky is falling aging!!! |
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| 180sxforthewin |
quote:
Originally posted by fartcannon
i have recently heard from various mechanics at my work and various other people that right hand drive is in the works of becoming completely illegal in canada. The government is in the process of making it legislation.
This is just what i have heard, anybody with any info on this, please share. I really want to import a car this spring but if this is the case im going just going to import one from the states.
Hmm I think it might just be that mechanics dont like RHD. Last time this was posted it was some guy working at canadian tire, the mechanics there said it was gonna be illegal aswell. Until it is said by the goverment I wont beleive it, Maybe even if they say it I wont because we all know how good at keeping promises Harper is. |
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| sk8jas |
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Originally posted by jasonturbo
I was gonna get all spiteful on RHD and say how the majority of people I meet that drive RHD are fags...
but then I realised most of the people I meet who are into cars are fags...
and it's not cause I chill at the gay bar either...
:lol:
........Anyways Ive tried to quash the last 4 threads Ive seen on this topic that seems to come up every week, so this time Im gonna add fuel to the fire instead.
Two threads straight from the "source" :rolleyes:
http://forums.gtrcanada.com/viewtopic.php?t=11912
http://forums.gtrcanada.com/viewtopic.php?t=11954 |
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| sk8jas |
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Originally posted by kouki240
BAN!!!!11!!1
why because Im trying to find another way to keep unfounded rumours about RHD from coming up?
Anyways Im sure youve heard the quote too, "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, no matter who wins your still (fill in the blank)"
you know how it goes. |
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| kouki240 |
| I'm not talking about you man, I was referring to the guy who posted this retarded thread. |
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| sk8jas |
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Originally posted by kouki240
I'm not talking about you man, I was referring to the guy who posted this retarded thread.
Haha, alright, fair enough :cool: |
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| GQsmooth |
| I hope it happens:thumbup: |
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| jasonturbo |
can we have a poll to see how many people would vote for having them banned or not?
I wonder what the outcome would be...
wink wink terry... |
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| sk8jas |
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Originally posted by jasonturbo
can we have a poll to see how many people would vote for having them banned or not?
I wonder what the outcome would be...
wink wink terry...
Theres a lot more to it than simply banning RHD cars though. The issue with them is that their beam patterns on there headlights point the wrong damn way and blind oncoming traffic. Also,
http://www.luxuryimports.ca/faq/joinfight.php
if you read those stats it shows that young drivers are crashing there 15 year old imported cars more than they should.
So whats the issue here? The fact that young inexperienced drivers have access to cars that may be too powerful for them. Also, who are the majority of JDM buyers? Younger guys, BROKE younger guys might I emphasize. So what happens, young broke guys import POS cars that arnt up to spec. They dont have money to fix them and the cars may be too powerful for an inexperienced driver to handle. This leads to loads of dirty, ugly RHD cars on the road which eventually get in accidents, which leads to disdain from the general public.
Banning them is an easy fix solution, raising insurance rates to more appropriate rates and getting strict on inspections of imported cars is a better and more direct solution.
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| 180sxforthewin |
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Originally posted by sk8jas
Theres a lot more to it than simply banning RHD cars though. The issue with them is that their beam patterns on there headlights point the wrong damn way and blind oncoming traffic. Also,
http://www.luxuryimports.ca/faq/joinfight.php
if you read those stats it shows that young drivers are crashing there 15 year old imported cars more than they should.
So whats the issue here? The fact that young inexperienced drivers have access to cars that may be too powerful for them. Also, who are the majority of JDM buyers? Younger guys, BROKE younger guys might I emphasize. So what happens, young broke guys import POS cars that arnt up to spec. They dont have money to fix them and the cars may be too powerful for an inexperienced driver to handle. This leads to loads of dirty, ugly RHD cars on the road which eventually get in accidents, which leads to disdain from the general public.
Banning them is an easy fix solution, raising insurance rates to more appropriate rates and getting strict on inspections of imported cars is a better and more direct solution.
End Rant.
I imagine there are alot of Domestic rat traps driving around that are more dangerous than the JDM cars.
If the goverment starts banning them for reasons like they arent safe. It isnt our fault it is theres. According to the laws that they set out these cars are legal for road use in Canada so why is that our fault. |
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| sk8jas |
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Originally posted by 180sxforthewin
I imagine there are alot of Domestic rat traps driving around that are more dangerous than the JDM cars.
I agree that there are a lot of "domestic rat traps" driving around that may or may not be more dangerous.
But the isssue isnt whats out there right now, we are bringing cars INTO the province therefore they must meet standards if they are to be driven in this province. This is law.
Pointing the finger at "domestic rat traps" and "right hand drive mailtrucks" doesnt really hold up in the court of law when arguing that our cars should be here even though MOST havnt passed inspection properly.
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Originally posted by 180sxforthewin
It isnt our fault it is theres. According to the laws that they set out these cars are legal for road use in Canada so why is that our fault.
Its nobodies fault per se, but if we as a group of JDM owners would like to keep this 15 year rule we should step up and take responsibility. Meaning accepting stricter inspection policies etc.
This 15year to 25 year law is afterall a change in LAW. So what can we expect the governments arguments to be in the court of law, and what arguments can we use to uphold our case in court? Pointing the finger isnt going to work. |
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| fartcannon |
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Originally posted by kouki240
I'm not talking about you man, I was referring to the guy who posted this retarded thread.
Dont hate on me for being misinformed all it took was the first two post for me to realize what i had said.
I offered my nuts for a kicking :lol: |
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| fartcannon |
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Originally posted by sk8jas
I agree that there are a lot of "domestic rat traps" driving around that may or may not be more dangerous.
But the isssue isnt whats out there right now, we are bringing cars INTO the province therefore they must meet standards if they are to be driven in this province. This is law.
Pointing the finger at "domestic rat traps" and "right hand drive mailtrucks" doesnt really hold up in the court of law when arguing that our cars should be here even though MOST havnt passed inspection properly.
Its nobodies fault per se, but if we as a group of JDM owners would like to keep this 15 year rule we should step up and take responsibility. Meaning accepting stricter inspection policies etc.
This 15year to 25 year law is afterall a change in LAW. So what can we expect the governments arguments to be in the court of law, and what arguments can we use to uphold our case in court? Pointing the finger isnt going to work.
Your statement makes no sense. They have to go through out of province inspections and those are not light inspections. I bought a car from sask and it almost failed because the tread on the back two tires were something like 60%.
I would have to say that the jdm cars are probably much safer than a rusty pontiac grand am that got an illegal inspection done to it so it could be sold.
Eg, my friend bought a s10 for 500 with an illegal inspection so that it could be sold. It had 2 huge holes in the cabin that allowed you to watch the road below you.
Saying that they are unsafe is just stupid and saying that our cars are safer is just as stupid. There are fewer jdm cars than cdm cars or usdm cars in our nation which obviously means there are more piles that should be illegal on the roads due to our auto industry
Not to mention that would not be an excuse to ban RHD cars. That would just be a call for tougher laws on inspections. |
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| sk8jas |
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Originally posted by JZZ30fan
Don't make threads about RHD being illegal with no solid information to back it up whatsoever. Also, look around a bit, theres about 50 other threads similar to this. Was a new one really necessary?
http://forums.780tuners.com/showthr...?threadid=54471
THANK YOU!
Also.
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Originally posted by fartcannon
Your statement makes no sense. They have to go through out of province inspections and those are not light inspections. I bought a car from sask and it almost failed because the tread on the back two tires were something like 60%.
I would have to say that the jdm cars are probably much safer than a rusty pontiac grand am that got an illegal inspection done to it so it could be sold.
Eg, my friend bought a s10 for 500 with an illegal inspection so that it could be sold. It had 2 huge holes in the cabin that allowed you to watch the road below you.
Saying that they are unsafe is just stupid and saying that our cars are safer is just as stupid. There are fewer jdm cars than cdm cars or usdm cars in our nation which obviously means there are more piles that should be illegal on the roads due to our auto industry
Not to mention that would not be an excuse to ban RHD cars. That would just be a call for tougher laws on inspections.
I think you misunderstand my position. Im a proponent of JDM cars. ( i have one on the way)
Example: The GTiR that I used to own passed inspection with flying colors (not by me). Its headlights were pointed the wrong way though which should have made it fail. This is MINOR but its these things that the BC government right now is really latching onto to get them off the road. I would imagine the Alberta government wouldnt be far behind.
Im quite aware that you have to pass OOP to get a JDM car into the province, but I mean how hard is it to pass one of these with a total POS, not hard as you pointed out above with your example of the S10.
JDM's as a whole are not UNSAFE, nor did I say that BUT if you take a look at the last table in this study
http://www.luxuryimports.ca/faq/joinfight.php
Youll notice AGE GROUP UNDER 20 YEARS OLD w/ cars 15 years old or older ARE CRASHED TWICE AS MUCH IF THEY ARE IMPORTED THAN IF THEY ARE NOT! Guess where the majority of 15 year old cars come from if they are imported.
Guess who the majority of people who import JDMs are?
It doesnt matter what you say about these cars, try arguing against that study in court.
My position is this:
1) Get strict on inspection
2)make appropriate adjustments in insurance. A Pulsar or a 180sx w/ sr20det shouldnt be paying rates for Pulsar NX's or USDM 180sx. They should be closer to fox body 5L mustangs (this keeps them out of the hands of teenagers)
As for your comment about "there are more piles on the road than JDMs"
It doesnt matter whats on the road now, those cars have deteriorated to that state. 15 YO JDMs are being imported right now, and have to pass inspections right now, not 15 years ago when they were new.
Like I said before, you cant point fingers at other cars, this gets you nowhere. |
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| sk8jas |
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Originally posted by fartcannon
Not to mention that would not be an excuse to ban RHD cars. That would just be a call for tougher laws on inspections.
As for this statement, look at what happened in Australia in 2005. In case you dont know I will educate you. Their 15 year old rule ENDED because of the influx of 1989 legal year imports.
The premise was that they were unsafe and the way JDM import numbers were growing, they would soon outnumber their domestic vehicles. These JDMs which would hypothetically outnumber domestic used vehicles would NEVER have had to pass any emissions or safety since they were exempt.
Whats the real reason their 15 year old rule ended? Something to do with big car companies pressuring the Australian government. But can a government legally use 'pressure from private companies' as a legitamite reason to change legislation. Absolutely not.
They used the reason stated above, exemptions to safety.
What do you think the Canadian government will use as an excuse EXEMPTIONS TO SAFETY.
If you want to keep the 15 year old rule, take responsibility and DONT GIVE THEM ANY REASONS TO CHANGE THIS LAW. |
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| 180sxforthewin |
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Originally posted by sk8jas
THANK YOU!
Also.
I think you misunderstand my position. Im a proponent of JDM cars. ( i have one on the way)
Example: The GTiR that I used to own passed inspection with flying colors (not by me). Its headlights were pointed the wrong way though which should have made it fail. This is MINOR but its these things that the BC government right now is really latching onto to get them off the road. I would imagine the Alberta government wouldnt be far behind.
Im quite aware that you have to pass OOP to get a JDM car into the province, but I mean how hard is it to pass one of these with a total POS, not hard as you pointed out above with your example of the S10.
JDM's as a whole are not UNSAFE, nor did I say that BUT if you take a look at the last table in this study
http://www.luxuryimports.ca/faq/joinfight.php
Youll notice AGE GROUP UNDER 20 YEARS OLD w/ cars 15 years old or older ARE CRASHED TWICE AS MUCH IF THEY ARE IMPORTED THAN IF THEY ARE NOT! Guess where the majority of 15 year old cars come from if they are imported.
Guess who the majority of people who import JDMs are?
It doesnt matter what you say about these cars, try arguing against that study in court.
My position is this:
1) Get strict on inspection
2)make appropriate adjustments in insurance. A Pulsar or a 180sx w/ sr20det shouldnt be paying rates for Pulsar NX's or USDM 180sx. They should be closer to fox body 5L mustangs (this keeps them out of the hands of teenagers)
As for your comment about "there are more piles on the road than JDMs"
It doesnt matter whats on the road now, those cars have deteriorated to that state. 15 YO JDMs are being imported right now, and have to pass inspections right now, not 15 years ago when they were new.
Like I said before, you cant point fingers at other cars, this gets you nowhere.
No such thing as a Usdm 180, you mean ka24de from a 240. I think in theory that is a good idea but there are still alot of young people who would get money to pay for it. (Parents) |
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| sk8jas |
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Originally posted by 180sxforthewin
No such thing as a Usdm 180, you mean ka24de from a 240. I think in theory that is a good idea but there are still alot of young people who would get money to pay for it. (Parents)
Oh ok, I thought there was a 180sx w/ ca18et in the states. (maybe it was called the 200sx)
Anyways, I think proper insurance would cut down the numbers dramatically though. Afterall there are lots of parents who are responsible and wont insure there kids to drive an older camaros, firebirds, fox body 5L's. (which are very comparable to some of these JDM cars)
Thats just my opinion though, Im not an insurance statistician, so maybe if someone has some data they could share? |
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| crushers |
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Originally posted by sk8jas JDM's as a whole are not UNSAFE, nor did I say that BUT if you take a look at the last table in this study
http://www.luxuryimports.ca/faq/joinfight.php
Youll notice AGE GROUP UNDER 20 YEARS OLD w/ cars 15 years old or older ARE CRASHED TWICE AS MUCH IF THEY ARE IMPORTED THAN IF THEY ARE NOT! Guess where the majority of 15 year old cars come from if they are imported.
Guess who the majority of people who import JDMs are?
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so i am curious, where do you think the imported cars are coming from? at last count there were only 1500 JDMs imported in the last 3 years and yet there has been 25,500 15-year old imports brought into Canada in the 4 years covered in the study quoted...
the JDM import market in Canada is very small.
you make some fine points. don't give the powers that be the statisitics they want is very good advice.
there is some fine info here to read:
http://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.ph...p;postcount=217
cheers |
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| sk8jas |
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Originally posted by crushers
so i am curious, where do you think the imported cars are coming from? at last count there were only 1500 JDMs imported in the last 3 years and yet there has been 25,500 15-year old imports brought into Canada in the 4 years covered in the study quoted...
the JDM import market in Canada is very small.
you make some fine points. don't give the powers that be the statisitics they want is very good advice.
there is some fine info here to read:
http://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.ph...p;postcount=217
cheers
Hey Crushers,
Ive seen you on gtrcanada.com and you are quite the authority on this subject, so Respect.
Anyways, I may sound like a guy with a stick up his ass about JDM's but what Im trying to do is to get JDM owners to think critically about what our arguments are going to be once this rule change comes about.
What legitamite arguments can we use to battle this change?
What arguments stand up in the court of law?
I would imagine if that study (that I had alluded to earlier) is the only one around, than it would be a fairly critical blow to our case.
As for my suggestions of getting tough on inspections and insurance, these would be concessions (IMO) that we would have to consider if we would like to keep the 15 year rule. |
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| crushers |
not at all, i think you comments were very fair, i was just wondering about the location of the imports. i am open to being corrected if i have bad information.
i have gathered a lot of information over the last year or so and tons more in the last month since i originally posted in Mud about the twisted paperwork MOT is trying to use to change the rules.
we have recieved some excellent help from many different people on the various forums. it is greatly appreciated.
you are right, if they change this ruling before we act then we will have a hard uphill battle to face. it is much easier to lock the gate before the horse gets out than trying to round him up.
we can use as many members to sign up as we can get, even if you don't own a RHD or a 15-year old import we can use your help and support.
cheers and peace |
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| sk8jas |
whoops,
supposed to be a pm |
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| crushers |
Jason,
that list is (more or less) to gather names, locations of those interested in doing something.
i am struggling this week to get a site up where everyone can gather the latest info, letter templates and offer suggestions.
cheers and welcome to the fight. |
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| sk8jas |
:thumbup:
That sounds good!
One site which consolidates everyone for this would be much more effective than a bunch of disbanded soapboxers such as myself!
That also allows us to have all the data we need in one site.
Im pretty excieted! :) |
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| ChromeDragon |
| How much do you want to bet that that 25,500 imported vehicle number includes vehicles brought up from the U.S. So in actual fact the JDM cars are an even smaller issue than the already small issue they are making it out to be. |
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| o2thag |
It was hard to read those tables with car age groups and injuries, but I just wanted to add to the argument. The 15yr and older car group has the most injuries and fatalities, but how many of those 15yr old cars in the group are actually the JDM imports and how many are just USDM/CDM?? Was this mentioned in the document, it was hard to read? Because it seems to me like they are grouping the Imported 15yr old vehicles and the North American vehicles in Canada to show a high number of injuries that may be mostly NA vehicles and not Imported/JDM vehicles.
Also there are more injuries in the 15yr old vehicle group because there are probably more vehicles on the road in that group than any other group listed in the table. Because if they are grouping all of the vehicles 15yrs and older, then why not group all of the none imported vehicle groups into one 15 and younger and show the stats, which would show higher injury numbers than that of 15yr old group.
It seems like they are trying to change the 15yr rule to 25yr rule using stats and data from all imported or non imported vehicles that are 15yrs old, but they are targeting the JDM vehicles. This is just my opinion on this. Thanks for reading, and i pass on the kick to the nuts :lol: |
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| ChromeDragon |
| That's how spin works. They make stats work in their favour, but you have to be able to read past the bullshit and find what's really going on. |
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| crushers |
this is the point of the post, they have included many undisclosed imports and grouped them all together.
then they used serial numbers (which they acknowledge in another post as extremely hard ad almost impossible due to BC changing the vin number and implimenting their own) to back their numbers of accidents imports vs natural NA number of 15 year old units. 25,500 is the number of total IMPORTED 15-year old units from 2000-2004. the number to date is close to 1500 JDM units.
out of the 25,500 they are claiming a total of 80 accidents, 1 causing death and 1 causing serious injury.
they do not distinguish between JDM and other units.
they do not determine if the unit involved in the crash is at fault.
ANYONE CAN BE INVOLVED IN AN ACCIDENT, that does not determine fault of the driver or fault of the unit being driven. the unit that is at fault is the one that causes the accident, not those innocent parties involved.
HTHs
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