| EK9Hatch |
I think I still will go for a Viper RT/10.
I do like Corvette's, but honestly, you see them everywhere! Viper's seem to be a lot more rare and are real head turners.
Either way, it should be a great summer!
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| brady |
| What about a lotus elise? Sure everyone knows what a viper is but a lotus is pretty flashy too. Its a pretty different car but is still fast and rare. Plus you can get a nice used 05 for $35, 000-$40, 000 US. Just my 2 cents though... |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by brady
What about a lotus elise? Sure everyone knows what a viper is but a lotus is pretty flashy too. Its a pretty different car but is still fast and rare. Plus you can get a nice used 05 for $35, 000-$40, 000 US. Just my 2 cents though...
If (as I'm assuming) this isn't going to be a DD then the Lotus would be a great choice. Just be aware, they're tiny, loud, no carpet, etc.
But probably the best sports car you can buy right now. |
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| EK9Hatch |
Thanks for the suggestions guys, but like I said in an earlier post, I really don't like to styling of the Elise. It reminds me of a mini spaceship that landed on earth and then they put wheels on it. Just not my style....nothing against the car.
Jamie |
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| Tyangelo |
| IMO, I would take the cash, buy a real car like a 72' dart, drop 40,000 in the engine, and destroy 99% of cars out there. My own 2 cents of course. You lucky little bitch and your moolah. *cringes with envy*:beer: |
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| EK9Hatch |
The only old muscle cars I would consider are the late 60's Camaro's...but they can easily cost $70k+ fully restored.
As for the statement about me being "lucky" with my moolah...it has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with me working hard and doing labourous work in the oil field. Long hours and hard work.
Jamie |
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| turbojono |
Used SC430...probably the most solid convertible you could buy.
SLK320 AMG
Boxter S
Late model Audi S4 with warranty from the US
02/03 E39 M5
Base 335ci (a couple grand more than 50k but brand new) |
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| ehos |
| Skip the FD. You won't like it. |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by EK9Hatch
I like the NSX, but I find that for the money, it is under-powered. Putting a Supercharger on it could help for sure. Another thing that bothers me is the Integra-like interior. For a car of its stature, I thought the interior would be more high end.
Jamie
The NSX interior is nothing like the Integra interior, personally I think it is one of the best interiors I've ever been in, because of the lay out and build quality, one of the reasons I bought the car is because the interior was so much better than a Z06 or a Viper. I would have to say I liked my IS300's interior more though, it was so nice to be in on long drives.
Also if you do buy a 1st gen Viper I wouldn't be expecting much more pull than an NSX, they just aren't that fast.
As for the 2JZ swap into the Lexus I was quoted a VERY high price and that's with me supplying the engine, apparently it's not an easy swap, I'd rather just do the 2JZ into an S2000 swap that company in Florida does.
If I was to buy again and I couldn't get an NSX I'd go with the Viper, the Z06 is faster, but park the two beside each other and I'd go look at the Viper.
I have real life experience with some of the cars you are looking at (1st gen Vipers, C5 Vettes, IS300's), if you have any questions feel free to PM me. |
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| EK9Hatch |
Cody D - Thanks for the input, much appreciated.
But as for having not much more pull than a NSX, I would have to disagree. Even a 1st Gen Viper runs 12's in the 1/4 mile in stock form....what does a NSX Run? Also, the Viper has almost double the Torque that a NSX has.
And that 2JZ Swap into a S2000...it's pretty cool, but damn pricey. I'm not sure how much you got quoted to do that swap into the IS300, but I doubt it was $16,000 USD....thats the price they are charging for the S2000 2JZ Swap. Plus, even though these guys seem like they know what they are doing, they are doing these swaps in their personal garage...so I don't know how much I would trust them.
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| JeepGirl |
if i had the money (or when i have the money) i WILL have one of these:
this meets the criteria descripted in the original post.
other than the fact that it doesnt have any doors....
its seasonal... well i spose you could drive it in the winter.. brr!
fast as all hell!
more than likely an absolute blast to drive.
there are people currently getting these registered for canadian roads.
i'd even take a used one...... |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by EK9Hatch
But as for having not much more pull than a NSX, I would have to disagree. Even a 1st Gen Viper runs 12's in the 1/4 mile in stock form....what does a NSX Run? Also, the Viper has almost double the Torque that a NSX has.
I'm not trying to be argumenative, but that's just not true, I've raced stock 1st gen Vipers with my NSX and I can tell you it was fairly even. I have no reason to lie, I'm not some 15 year old trying to impress everyone. They are mid to high 13 second cars at our elevation.
On another point though if you were really brave you could buy a Ferrari 308/348 for about the same price as a first gen Viper. |
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| EK9Hatch |
I looked into Ferrari's...none fit my budget of $50,000.
Jamie |
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| LeadSled |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
I'm not trying to be argumenative, but that's just not true, I've raced stock 1st gen Vipers with my NSX and I can tell you it was fairly even. I have no reason to lie, I'm not some 15 year old trying to impress everyone. They are mid to high 13 second cars at our elevation.
On another point though if you were really brave you could buy a Ferrari 308/348 for about the same price as a first gen Viper.
I know this goes without saying, but its all in the driver... I've beat cars capable of much quicker times than me but the drivers were shitty (and mine is an auto so pretty much all I have to do is launch well).
Gen I's are a mid 12 second car in the 400hp form and low 12s in the 450hp Gen IIs. Add 4-5 tenths to make up for elevation differences. Check out the Viper forums if you think I'm BS'ing. The 270hp NSX's run what, low 13s?
EK9Hatch, check out Canadatrader.com and search the Vipers... there's now a Gen II listed in Calgary at a dealership that you could probably get a test drive in. Its overpriced, but at least you could get a feel for it. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
On another point though if you were really brave you could buy a Ferrari 308/348 for about the same price as a first gen Viper.
I was looking at 308s and 348s when I was looking at NSXs. The price might be right, but have fun maintaining them. They are a TOTAL BITCH to keep running. If you want a reliable Ferrari, you're looking for at least an F355 and a 360 Modena, and those are still fetching 100K+. The old ones are quite unreliable.
Intergra interior?
I think not.
If you can, take one out for a test drive. You might be very surprised with the car. Cody ran a 13.8 bone stock up here, I think. Take out the spare, throw some headers and a catback on there and you're looking at low 13s. But that's not the real point of the car. Go find an offramp at 140. Then you'll get it. :D |
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| EK9Hatch |
Other than the center sloping part of the dash, I find it does look Integraish. The Steering wheel, instrument cluster, etc resembles an Integra somewhat (to me anyways)
I'm not saying I don't like NSX's, but I think I would much rather have a Viper. There is something about the Viper that appeals to me...I'm not sure if it's the Unique styling, 13 inch wide Rear tires or the almost 500 Ft/lbs of Torque....maybe it's all of this! lol :)
Jamie |
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| 95EagleAWD |
| Give 'er on the Viper, but you have to bring it to UC on Friday nights. :thumbup: |
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| DoubleDown |
quote:
Originally posted by EK9Hatch
Other than the center sloping part of the dash, I find it does look Integraish. The Steering wheel, instrument cluster, etc resembles an Integra somewhat (to me anyways)
I'm not saying I don't like NSX's, but I think I would much rather have a Viper. There is something about the Viper that appeals to me...I'm not sure if it's the Unique styling, 13 inch wide Rear tires or the almost 500 Ft/lbs of Torque....maybe it's all of this! lol :)
Jamie
I have to agree on some level here. The interior of the Viper sucks too, but there's something raw about the car and its principles. While Honda and Nissan try to get the most power out of small displacement engines using turbo's, supercharger's, valvetrain tricks like VTEC, etc, etc, etc... Dodge just says "Fuck it, let's make it an 8.0L V10 and be done with it". Porsche's have computers that measure wheel spin and lateral forces to direct power to the correct wheel to maximize traction. Dodge says "Fuck it, 13 inch tires will work just as good".
Don't get me wrong, I think the NSX is a beautiful car, and I'd take a 911T over a Viper any day of the week, but there's something raw and exhilerating about the Viper that makes it attractive. |
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| Britain |
Build a RWD civic.
Hahaha.. This is what i'd do with 50,000 if I were you..
2000 ish Ford f-150 - $8,000
Brand new 16-18" Speedboat and Trailer- 20,000 (E.G Campion 505)
Snowmobile- $10,000 (a really nice one)
Atv / Dirt Bike and 4 by 8 flat deck trailer- $7,000
So.. That's 45,000.. Enought for maintenace and storage for a few years too!
So..
Speedboat/Truck/Quad or dirtbike/Snowmobile > Viper or similar??
Then you can drive the mercedes still.. Unless you were planning to sell that as colateral for the car haha! |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
I was looking at 308s and 348s
at least an F355
308 = :thumbup:
348 = :limpwrist
F355 = :thumbup: :thumbup: |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
308 = :thumbup:
348 = :limpwrist
F355 = :thumbup: :thumbup:
360 = :thumbup:
F430 = :hitit: |
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| Britain |
There's a 2000 shelby cobra for sale in Quebec.. Its amazing.. I belive its is 65,000.. I can get the link if you want.. Also. this is a really nice viper in calgary (although once again above budget)
http://www.richviewfinecars.com/car...load/car_79.jpg
edit: I thought it was a link to the page.. It has 13,800 and they want 63,000... I forgot the year haha |
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| EK9Hatch |
Charles, that is a nice Viper...but it's a GTS. I want a RT/10 :p Having 400+ HP and a drop top would be so nice. :)
And about the speedboat, dirt bike, etc, etc. No thanks. I'm looking to spend 50 grand on a dream car ;)
Another thing I need to think about is wheels if I go with a Viper. Some guys are running 19's in the front and 20's in the back...but damn, the rear tires are a 25 series!!! Those would be super expensive for sure.
There is a beautiful Silver 99 RT/10 in Quebec for $55k...I'm not sure if it's still available. http://www.canadatrader.com/result/...gno=5&srt=1
Only thing about buying from the east coast is the potential of rust. Even having the car stored, salt is in the air and can cause corrosion.
Importing one from down south may be an option too.
Jamie |
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| cbourbs |
| i bought a 1 year old 2005 subaru sti with 400awhp from seattle washington with warranty!! |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
360 = :thumbup:
F430 = :hitit:
Oh of course. I was just trying to make a point about the 348. |
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| EK9Hatch |
A Ferrari 360 would be amazing...but it's no where near my budget.
Jamie |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by LeadSled
Gen I's are a mid 12 second car in the 400hp form and low 12s in the 450hp Gen IIs. Add 4-5 tenths to make up for elevation differences. Check out the Viper forums if you think I'm BS'ing. The 270hp NSX's run what, low 13s?
At Castrol I ran a 13.8 @ 101mph with my NSX, at lower elevation tracks they run low 13's. Maybe you are right about it being the driver, but when you go from a roll driver shouldn't matter that much. Ah well this isn't important to the topic anymore so I'll stop arguing.
One thing I've been wondering about is if you can find a decent quality Viper for under $50,000? |
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| Therin |
| there's something to be said about a 40k viper tho. Ratbagged! |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by Therin
there's something to be said about a 40k viper tho. Ratbagged!
I doubt there are a lot of used Vipers that haven't been rode hard, what else do you buy a Viper for?
Edit: That black one looks amazing, those ones in Quebec I'd stay away from. |
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| Therin |
| there's a difference between driven hard and ratbagged. |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by Therin
there's a difference between driven hard and ratbagged.
True, I guess it would be better to buy in winter then they can't go out and have one last bag on the car. |
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| Therin |
hey cody, which do you like better. the NSX or the IS300?
Just curious because personally i would take an is300 over the nsx for quite a few reasons. |
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| EK9Hatch |
I'm honestly not too worried about someone selling a Viper that has been abused. Even though the car was designed to be driven hard...I would say 80% of owners don't do that. A lot of owners drive slower than the speed limit, just so they can show off their cars! The first Gen Vipers I am looking at, have somewhere between 20k-40k for mileage....so yeah, pretty much nothing.
Another thing too, most guys that own these cars are old farts with more money than they know what to do with. They are usually only driven for short times in the summer and are in the garage most of the time. I am 25 years old and IF I do get a Viper...yes I will drive it hard. But how many 25 year olds do you know with Vipers?
I'm pretty sure you would have to be an awesome driver, to know how to abuse a Viper. I mean, think about it....how often in the city can you have a Viper in WOT?? Not too often....so I fail to see how they would be abused.
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| ehos |
WOT doesn't wreck anything. It's the put it into first, drop the gear. Repeat. I could do that all day long at every single stop light in the city forever.
Or not driving it enough, letting it sit, then doing the above. Or a million other things will be more 'abusive' than WOT. Hell, if you don't drive FD's at WOT you're actually going to do more harm than good.
A 'low mileage' anything isn't always a good idea. I would rather have something that was driven regularly, maintained, than something that sits around, and gets taken out for joy rides (yikes). |
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| GQsmooth |
| I'd go with a viper man, you don't see any young guys driving them here! |
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| EK9Hatch |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
WOT doesn't wreck anything. It's the put it into first, drop the gear. Repeat. I could do that all day long at every single stop light in the city forever.
Or not driving it enough, letting it sit, then doing the above. Or a million other things will be more 'abusive' than WOT. Hell, if you don't drive FD's at WOT you're actually going to do more harm than good.
A 'low mileage' anything isn't always a good idea. I would rather have something that was driven regularly, maintained, than something that sits around, and gets taken out for joy rides (yikes).
I understand what you are saying, but obviously up here in Canada...ALL Vipers will be fairly low mileage. They don'y exactly make a ideal winter car! :p
Jamie |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by GQsmooth
you don't see any young guys driving them here!
"Young" guys aren't supposed to be driving expensive cars. They shouldn't be able to afford them, in theory. But... today's Alberta economy is apparently changing all that. |
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| GQsmooth |
| Haha, true. But it's funny to see people mouthing words and looking at your car, when you know their thinking "how did he afford that?" Or "He must sell drugs... |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
"Young" guys aren't supposed to be driving expensive cars. They shouldn't be able to afford them, in theory. But... today's Alberta economy is apparently changing all that.
The Viper that I've had the most experience with was owned and driven by a 21 year old, he won it from a West Edmonton Mall draw.
quote:
Originally posted by Therin
hey cody, which do you like better. the NSX or the IS300?
Just curious because personally i would take an is300 over the nsx for quite a few reasons.
The NSX hands down, there aren't many cars under $100,000 I would take over the NSX. |
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| LeadSled |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
The Viper that I've had the most experience with was owned and driven by a 21 year old, he won it from a West Edmonton Mall draw.
Haha, the yellow one that's in Lloyd? Fuck he babies that car, we tried catching up to him and racing him in the 3rd Gen this summer... I heard he can't drive it worth a damn.
I thought he was older than 21 though, isn't he like 25? |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by LeadSled
Haha, the yellow one that's in Lloyd? Fuck he babies that car, we tried catching up to him and racing him in the 3rd Gen this summer... I heard he can't drive it worth a damn.
I thought he was older than 21 though, isn't he like 25?
He's in Newphie land now, and he's younger than me by a few years, I don't know how many though. I believe there are 10 Vipers in Lloyd now, probably 1500 C5 and C6 Corvettes. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
The NSX hands down, there aren't many cars under $100,000 I would take over the NSX.
Yeah, I'd like to see the reasoning behind the Lexus over the NSX. :dunno: |
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| Driven |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Yeah, I'd like to see the reasoning behind the Lexus over the NSX. :dunno:
Only thing i can think of.. is 2JZ swap.. so it would beat the nsx in a straight line.. that's about it.. nsx may not be the fastest.. but it does have great balance. |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by Driven
Only thing i can think of.. is 2JZ swap.. so it would beat the nsx in a straight line.. that's about it.. nsx may not be the fastest.. but it does have great balance.
2JZ swap into a 3800lb car doesn't beat the NSX on it's own. It would have to be modified a lot to make up for the 900lb difference. |
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| Driven |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
2JZ swap into a 3800lb car doesn't beat the NSX on it's own. It would have to be modified a lot to make up for the 900lb difference.
Yea i definately see where you are going with that.. power/weight... good point. I think someone planning to do such a swap.. would definately build the motor before throwing it in there. I also don't see such a IS300 beating a nsx in anything.. but a straight line. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by h22civic
2JZ into S2000.....good for the money. That would be an interesting contest with the NSX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WirkGXYdOus
Can you spend the same modding the NSX, though? |
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| EK9Hatch |
One question I have is...why the hell is the Lotus Elise so damn expensive?? I mean, I understand that it is a Lotus and it was built to pretty much be a race car, But holy shit...these cars are going for 60k-70k USED!
That is WAY too much imo for a car with only 190HP. Even if I did like the looks of one, I would never pay that.
Jamie |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Keep in mind, that 190 bhp car only weighs 1900 lbs. Lots of carbon and stuff on it. Hell you don't even get carpet for your 65K. :D
And yes, you sure as hell do pay for the Lotus name. Kind of like Porsche, BMW and Ferrari. |
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| Therin |
dont forget, an elise is about the only thing with that kind of power than could out race a NSX in the corners (reallly good driver needed for that one)
They're also alot more rare than alot of the vehicles, out there.
As for the reasoning to take an IS300 over an NSX is the 2jz and for drifting in some serious style. |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by EK9Hatch
That is WAY too much imo for a car with only 190HP. Even if I did like the looks of one, I would never pay that.
Jamie
People say it's overpriced, people say it's underpowered, but it'll beat cars with 3 times the power on a race track, sounds like another car I know ;) . Horsepower isn't everything, to some balance and quality of design are more important.
But then again there's something to be said about tons of raw power in a rickety shell that gets the adrenaline pumping. Now I want to buy a Viper too.
quote:
Originally posted by Therin
and for drifting in some serious style.
Because nothing's cooler than drifting. |
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| ehos |
What's the stats on a NSX? 1350KG and 270 HP? Is that right?
I don't know what you guys have in your NSX's, but I kill my friends NSX with the FD every single time to the point where he won't bother to ever line up with me (or go to the track).
And his car cost triple what mine did. Is there something amazing you guys have done to your NSX's that I'm not aware of? |
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| Therin |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
Because nothing's cooler than drifting. There are two reasons I sold the Lexus, I wanted an AWD so that it was better in winter, and I personally think they are kind of ugly, mine wasn't as bad as most but it still never did anything for me.
I sense the sarcasm in the drifting note and to you maybe drifting isnt as cool. To me id rather be sideways than go in a straight line. Personally i dont like drag racing. nothing fun about going in straight line. Which is probably why you bought the NSX anyway.
As for them being ugly, yeah they are, but only in the ass end...stupid altezza. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
The FD is quite the sweet car as well.
Light and powerful.
AFAIK, both our NSXs are stock, but if you boost them, they are quite the track monster.
The -R models with 290 bhp have been known to devour R34s, F40s and 360 Challenges on roadcourses. In a straight line, they may not be the fastest, but you toss in some curves, and they come alive. |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
What's the stats on a NSX? 1350KG and 270 HP? Is that right?
I don't know what you guys have in your NSX's, but I kill my friends NSX with the FD every single time to the point where he won't bother to ever line up with me (or go to the track).
And his car cost triple what mine did. Is there something amazing you guys have done to your NSX's that I'm not aware of?
I'm driving mine, that's probably what your friend is missing. What does your RX-7 run in the 1/4? |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by Therin
I sense the sarcasm in the drifting note and to you maybe drifting isnt as cool. To me id rather be sideways than go in a straight line. Personally i dont like drag racing. nothing fun about going in straight line. Which is probably why you bought the NSX anyway.
As for them being ugly, yeah they are, but only in the ass end...stupid altezza.
First I love drag racing, but not with the NSX, I have the Galant for that, the NSX I've taken to Autocrosses and hopefully real track days when I am ready.
Second you know that the Lexus IS300 is actually a Toyota Altezza, it's what those tail lights are named after.
Sorry if any of this is coming off rude, it's not my intention, I'm enjoying this, but we may want to go back on topic so that we can convince EK9Hatch to buy a Viper so that he can race me at the track so I can prove you all wrong .:D
Edit: I'm guessing you haven't ran faster than a 14 second quarter mile if you say that going fast in a straight line isn't fun, some of the best fun I've ever had was running 10's on my bike. |
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| Therin |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
The FD is quite the sweet car as well.
Light and powerful.
AFAIK, both our NSXs are stock, but if you boost them, they are quite the track monster.
The -R models with 290 bhp have been known to devour R34s, F40s and 360 Challenges on roadcourses. In a straight line, they may not be the fastest, but you toss in some curves, and they come alive.
there is a video out there, i cant find it right now, but its done on the Motegi Ring and its a battle between super cars. Lambo Gallardo, Murciolago (sp?), NSX-R, BMW M3, a ferrari f40, and a porche something that i dont remember right now.
The NSX led the race till it over heated and the lambo's got a 1,2 finish. Great race. It really does prove that the NSX is probably one the best track cars period. Which is why i dont understand why more people dont race them in GT Cup and SCCA Events. |
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| Therin |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
First I love drag racing, but not with the NSX, I have the Galant for that, the NSX I've taken to Autocrosses and hopefully real track days when I am ready.
Second you know that the Lexus IS300 is actually a Toyota Altezza, it's what those tail lights are named after.
Yeah i know, thats why i said "Altezza" and not "Altezza Lights" |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
I'm driving mine, that's probably what your friend is missing.
You drive your NSX in the winter?
(I'll ignore the implication you made about my friends car as it's obvious you're feeling somewhat defensive...) |
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
You drive your NSX in the winter?
(I'll ignore the implication you made about my friends car as it's obvious you're feeling somewhat defensive...)
It was a joke, I was saying he can't drive. I would never drive it in the winter.
Edit: I ran 13.8 @ 101mph completely stock, that's about what a stock FD runs I believe. |
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| EK9Hatch |
quote:
Originally posted by Cody D
Sorry if any of this is coming off rude, it's not my intention, I'm enjoying this, but we may want to go back on topic so that we can convince EK9Hatch to buy a Viper so that he can race me at the track so I can prove you all wrong .:D
If I end up with the Viper, I'll take you up on your offer! ;)
Jamie |
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| Britain |
| Oh. A slightly used mercedes SLK350 would be nice.. They're all around 55,000 though.. Like 04 models.. Sleek looking cars! |
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| aminkaddoura |
| supercharged mini cooper |
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| JeepGirl |
i still say i would buy a supercharged ariel atom FTW!
seasonal
FAST!!!
sexy looking.
affordable supercar. |
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| Inzane |
Buy a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP... I hear they're cool.
:lol: |
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| JeepGirl |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
Buy a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP... I hear they're cool.
:lol:
:loco: |
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| JustinL |
quote:
Originally posted by JeepGirl
i still say i would buy a supercharged ariel atom FTW!
seasonal
FAST!!!
sexy looking.
affordable supercar.
I'm pretty sure they are not legal in Canada. |
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| EK9Hatch |
Let's keep the thread on topic please. Thanks.
Jamie |
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| EK9Hatch |
quote:
Originally posted by JustinL
I'm pretty sure they are not legal in Canada.
I'm not sure either. But I would want something a bit more streetable anyways. Something that has doors, locks, etc
Jamie |
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| JeepGirl |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
I'm not sure either. But I would want something a bit more streetable anyways. Something that has doors, locks, etc
Jamie
there are a few people going through the process of having their Atoms and Atom2's registered for canadian roads...
and you never specified in the original post that it had to have doors and locks and stuff...... the title of the thread is " What car would you buy for 50k?" and if i had $50k to spend i would spend it on an Atom.... i have a car with doors and locks, and a jeep and a big old truck too! but nothing as fun to drive as that little car would be and for the price... why not...
i realize its not very practical, but sports cars never are really.
people spend better than $50k on motorcycles which arent very practical either.....
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| ohboyitsme |
| If you want speed and attention the Atom would defintely fit the bill. It doesn't however have any luxuries. You would defintely be the fastest car on the road though. |
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| Inzane |
How many golf bags can you fit in the trunk of an Atom?
Does it even HAVE a trunk?
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| JustinL |
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Originally posted by Cyanide Ride
[B]Yes, it is coming to Canada.
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At this time, that's an ambitious figure given that the Atom is not yet road-legal in Canada
This is another case of I'll believe it when I see it. But here's hoping!:fingersx: |
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| ehos |
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Originally posted by Cody D
It was a joke, I was saying he can't drive. I would never drive it in the winter.
That's Ok, I can't drive either :) (Also not willing to push it right to the edge, it's more fun on I87 than straight lines).
My FD has weight reductions, exhaust, IC so it's not stock (2652lbs on scale).
On topic: Grey market EVO 8. |
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| DIZZUM |
I would definetly vote for the viper, what cooler then 450hp and even more tourque.
Evo X maybe if they come to canada |
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| h22civic |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Can you spend the same modding the NSX, though?
You could......but I think you would still find yourself trying to keep up with the 2JZ S2000. With the unlimited potential of the 2JZ and the more limited potential of the NSX V6 I think you would spend far more on an NSX engine to get it to the same levels of a 2JZ powered S2000. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by h22civic
You could......but I think you would still find yourself trying to keep up with the 2JZ S2000. With the unlimited potential of the 2JZ and the more limited potential of the NSX V6 I think you would spend far more on an NSX engine to get it to the same levels of a 2JZ powered S2000.
A 2JZ S2K is going to be very traction limited with insane power...
An NSX with a nice little 9 psi blower on top of the engine, not so much, especially with the engine on top of the back wheels. The S2K may beat it in a straight line (up to the 1/4 maybe, but I'd bet the NSX pulls harder past 120 mph due to gearing and aero) but the NSX will destroy it in the corners; it's no contest.
I'm not sure where you're getting "limited potential" out of the C30A, either. There's lot's running around with 350-400 whp and some with twin turbo kits pushing 600+. Nothing limited about that. |
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| EK9Hatch |
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Originally posted by ehos
On topic: Grey market EVO 8.
What do you mean by this? Take a regular Lancer and put a EVO engine, etc in it?
I love the EVO 8's but they are not legal to import into Canada...
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| Driven |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
A 2JZ S2K is going to be very traction limited with insane power...
An NSX with a nice little 9 psi blower on top of the engine, not so much, especially with the engine on top of the back wheels. The S2K may beat it in a straight line (up to the 1/4 maybe, but I'd bet the NSX pulls harder past 120 mph due to gearing and aero) but the NSX will destroy it in the corners; it's no contest.
I'm not sure where you're getting "limited potential" out of the C30A, either. There's lot's running around with 350-400 whp and some with twin turbo kits pushing 600+. Nothing limited about that.
I rather agree.. as i said before.. i rather like the Comptech nsx. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
What do you mean by this? Take a regular Lancer and put a EVO engine, etc in it?
I love the EVO 8's but they are not legal to import into Canada...
Jamie
I would think he's alluding to the few people who have been able to sneak them into Canada and legally register them. |
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| EK9Hatch |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
I would think he's alluding to the few people who have been able to sneak them into Canada and legally register them.
How can that be done?
Jamie |
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| Cody D |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
How can that be done?
Jamie
I believe the only ones that are legally allowed in Canada are the 16 or so that came in before the Evo 8 was put on the "do not import list" or taken off the riv list, however it's done.
Every once in a while they come up for sale, I believe there are two in Calgary, a white one, and a silver one. But for all the trouble I'd just buy an STi. |
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| EK9Hatch |
Yea I'm not really a fan of the STi. I think a lot of it is just the cosmetic looks. I like the look of the EVO...but I don't think it's something I would really want anyways.
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| Cody D |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
Yea I'm not really a fan of the STi. I think a lot of it is just the cosmetic looks. I like the look of the EVO...but I don't think it's something I would really want anyways.
Jamie
Personally I'd take the Viper any day, buy a Viper and a Talon, then you can have both. |
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| h22civic |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
A 2JZ S2K is going to be very traction limited with insane power...
An NSX with a nice little 9 psi blower on top of the engine, not so much, especially with the engine on top of the back wheels. The S2K may beat it in a straight line (up to the 1/4 maybe, but I'd bet the NSX pulls harder past 120 mph due to gearing and aero) but the NSX will destroy it in the corners; it's no contest.
I'm not sure where you're getting "limited potential" out of the C30A, either. There's lot's running around with 350-400 whp and some with twin turbo kits pushing 600+. Nothing limited about that.
To get the NSX to a 600 hp threshold will be a ton more money than a 2JZ..guaranteed. 2JZ can do it in a stock block no problem. I agree on the straight line analysis but I seem to remember a comptech S2000 winning the car and driver shootout a couple years back against race EVO's, vipers, etc. The car can handle equal or better than an NSX any day of the week.
I have owned an NSX and it was a great car but it was a dog down low. Handling was all it had. A blower would help but I still think that overall a 2JZ S2000 would be a better overall performer. Maybe next year at the ultimate streetcar shootout somebody will bring one.:) |
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| Therin |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
What do you mean by this? Take a regular Lancer and put a EVO engine, etc in it?
I love the EVO 8's but they are not legal to import into Canada...
Jamie
the lancer is fwd and the evo is awd. You would need to do some serious modification to make it an evo, other wise it would just be a swapped engine. and its still not gonn make it an evo. |
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| Cody D |
| What does the 2JZ weigh compared to the F20c? Wouldn't the motor change the handling balance of the car, make it nose heavy? |
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| darnold |
| Id go with a comptech blown s2000 or an STi, depending on how much practicality you can live with. |
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| Therin |
| i dont think the 2jz weighs much more, less than 200lbs id suspect. Also if they swapped in a 2jz the've rebalanced the car. |
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| Cody D |
It's obvious the Viper is the answer.
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Originally posted by Therin
i dont think the 2jz weighs much more, less than 200lbs id suspect. Also if they swapped in a 2jz the've rebalanced the car.
200lbs you'd suspect, just a random guess? Also how would they rebalance the car, by adding weight to the rear, thus adding overall by your weight estimation 400lbs to the car? |
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| h22civic |
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Originally posted by Cody D
It's obvious the Viper is the answer.
200lbs you'd suspect, just a random guess? Also how would they rebalance the car, by adding weight to the rear, thus adding overall by your weight estimation 400lbs to the car?
Adding the weight of the vortech/Comptech kit would negate some of the weight of the iron block of the 2JZ. At least 100 lbs with the blower, intercooler, etc. |
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| night_font |
| I would buy a STi, 07' would be sufficient enough. |
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(not the nicest but you may like it)
SUch a pimp ride.
Import this 1991 348 for 57,000!