| ehrgeiz |
Is it just me or does it seem goofy that this guy is constantly attacking any and all things booze?
I recall him suggesting the idea of removing cheap drinks in bars, especially Whyte Ave and if IIRC he wanted to remove all bottles and glass cups from the strip. Anyone who likes a good properly poured pint knows that's garbage. I couldn't imagine having to drink my Guiness out of a plastic hockey game beer cup. Rumor has it (I say again just a rumor I have no proof of this) that his son was bottled on Whyte.
Now I hear that he wants to push a liqour law revision forcing merchants to close at 11 pm. There's also the issue of restricting the proximities of liqour stores, which seems like more a zoning issue to me and is probably a good idea.
Don't get me wrong, none of this would really impact my quality of life, I'm not that big of an alcoholic, but it all seems very pointless and annoying.
Wonder if anyone else agrees with me on this... |
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| GOT BOOST |
Hi ehrgeiz
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Bwahahahaha. :lol: I have had enough of those ads in the paper.
I think the proposed liquor law seems absurd. If people want it that bad, they will stock pile early in the day rather than make a booze run at midnite.
Sometimes it is convienient to make a booze run at 1:00 am to get ready for the next day.
Mike |
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| Ayeso |
| In BC, IIRC liquor stores close at 9, cold beer and wine at 11 |
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| crazyrx7 |
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Originally posted by Ayeso
In BC, IIRC liquor stores close at 9, cold beer and wine at 11
It used to be like that when the government ran the show (ALCB). But now that they are privatized people make their own hours.
R.K. |
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| LeadSled |
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Originally posted by ehrgeiz
Wonder if anyone else agrees with me on this...
I agree with you, its pointless... He's taking probably the least effective approach to "fighting" the violence on the streets.
Like Mike said, people are just going to start stockpiling in advance. And how is changing the proximity of liquor stores going to solve anything? I'd be so pissed if I had to walk or drive an extra few blocks for liquor that a random stabbing could be in the cards for that night.
Fuck Stephen Mandel; next he'll be trying to return to prohibition and make Edmonton a dry city. The only reason I can tolerate this hell hole is my frequent and heavy abuse of alcohol.
I'm glad to say I never voted for this clown in the first place. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by LeadSled
I'm glad to say I never voted for this clown in the first place.
The big question mark is - is he going to be able to sneak through and be re-elected in the fall?
Our city has so much growth potential, and Mandel seems to squander it. Crime is increasing, infrastructure is dwindling, and all city council can seem to do is sit around and talk about the stupid photo radar contract. You're paid to make decisions, so use your balls and do it.
I know my support would be behind someone like Mike Nickel 100%. He seems to have his head on his shoulders, and seems to understand things. |
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| rexxrally |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
The big question mark is - is he going to be able to sneak through and be re-elected in the fall?
Our city has so much growth potential, and Mandel seems to squander it. Crime is increasing, infrastructure is dwindling, and all city council can seem to do is sit around and talk about the stupid photo radar contract. You're paid to make decisions, so use your balls and do it.
I know my support would be behind someone like Mike Nickel 100%. He seems to have his head on his shoulders, and seems to understand things.
Agreed! Stephen Mandel is the male equivalent of Jan Reimer. She almost destroyed the city, and he's finishing off her work.
Mandel drives me nuts. 23rd Ave and Gateway Blvd is an absolute frickin' ZOO with traffic. It's YEARS overdue for an overpass upgrade to the intersection. They let it go far too long, and now, with the boom, the price of construction has skyrocketed.
So, Mandel's solution to the skyrocketing cost? "Let's have another study of the intersection to see if it needs to be done" MORON!
Get Mike Nickel in the big chair, and sh!t will get DONE in this city, and a lot quicker, too! |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by rexxrally
Mandel drives me nuts. 23rd Ave and Gateway Blvd is an absolute frickin' ZOO with traffic. It's YEARS overdue for an overpass upgrade to the intersection. They let it go far too long, and now, with the boom, the price of construction has skyrocketed.
As Edmonton continues to expand, and this road becomes busier and busier I don't see how they can shut it down now?
It needs to have the overpass, but how can they shut the roads down to do it? It must've took over a year to get 156st/yellowhead overpass done, imagine how long for that one?
All I ever read about is Mandel complaining about things - how people are expecting unreasonable things (snow removal, etc...). But I never hear any ideas to solve this things, or at least proposals. |
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| ehos |
| 23rd Ave: Connecting the old projects, with the new, UPSCALE projects. |
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| Murph |
Eh, the store hours don’t affect me really so I don’t care.
But as for the road situation, I don’t think it’s much of Mandels doing. That was good old Ralph who cut transportation heavily. Also even if Mandel wanted to make the roads better how much is going to be from Edmonton’s budget and not Alberta. |
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| JeepGirl |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
As Edmonton continues to expand, and this road becomes busier and busier I don't see how they can shut it down now?
It needs to have the overpass, but how can they shut the roads down to do it? It must've took over a year to get 156st/yellowhead overpass done, imagine how long for that one?
yeah what the hell is up with that overpass anyway, cant just hop onto the yellowhead eastbound from 156st northbound?
thats right behind NAIT Patricia Campus right? went to go hop onto the yellowhead and nope... i saw no approach:dunno: |
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| Lococoin |
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Originally posted by JeepGirl
yeah what the hell is up with that overpass anyway, cant just hop onto the yellowhead eastbound from 156st northbound?
thats right behind NAIT Patricia Campus right? went to go hop onto the yellowhead and nope... i saw no approach:dunno:
you have to turn left just before you hit the overpass to go eastbound. I have no idea why they didnt do a normal ramp as there seems to be room.
Dont feel bad about missing it, i did the same thing the first time i went north on that overpass. |
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| rexxrally |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
As Edmonton continues to expand, and this road becomes busier and busier I don't see how they can shut it down now?
It needs to have the overpass, but how can they shut the roads down to do it? It must've took over a year to get 156st/yellowhead overpass done, imagine how long for that one?
Hey, Boston (with 5 times the population) did it for 5.6km of highway (the Big Dig) under the downtown core. Surely, we must have an engineer or two here in Edmonton who could figure out how to reroute an intersection while they build an overpass?
I imagine it would be a logistical nightmare like the 156st overpass was, but it has to be done. It's only going to get worse and worse, the longer Mandel sits with his thumb up his a$$. |
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| dtjohnst |
There's a simple solution to all these problems, and one that most people will hate just as much.
ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS!
It's an offence to sell alcohol to someone who, based on general opinion, appears intoxicated. Drink all you want....until you're obviously drunk, then you're cut off.
Talk with a slur? Sucks to be you, drink at home. Hobble around and fall down a lot? Drink at home. Suffer from narcolepsy and fall asleep on tables? Drink at home.
More times than not the violence and stupidity that occurs as a direct result of drinking is caused by people who are severely intoxicated, not the casual drinker.
And before anyone gets their panties in a twist and tries to make the comment, let me save you the trouble: if you're obviously drunk, you aren't drinking reponsibly. There's no such thing as "responsibly drunk".
Bear in mind this doesn't mean over the legal limit for driving, this means obviously intoxicated. Most people show very few signs of intoxication at the legal limit. But we all know when our buddy is drunk, it obvious, and we've all watched him and people like him mosey up to the bar and get poured another beer.
The trick is it's hard to enforce. Nonetheless, it would solve a vast majority of the problems. Closing up early won't help. Neither will moving the bar further away from the liquor store. The problems with drunks will only stop when we address the drunks themselves, not when we enfuriate the responsible drinkers who enjoy a pint or two while watching a game or having some nachos with the gang. |
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| shawley |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
There's a simple solution to all these problems, and one that most people will hate just as much.
ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAWS!
It's an offence to sell alcohol to someone who, based on general opinion, appears intoxicated. Drink all you want....until you're obviously drunk, then you're cut off.
Talk with a slur? Sucks to be you, drink at home. Hobble around and fall down a lot? Drink at home. Suffer from narcolepsy and fall asleep on tables? Drink at home.
More times than not the violence and stupidity that occurs as a direct result of drinking is caused by people who are severely intoxicated, not the casual drinker.
And before anyone gets their panties in a twist and tries to make the comment, let me save you the trouble: if you're obviously drunk, you aren't drinking reponsibly. There's no such thing as "responsibly drunk".
Bear in mind this doesn't mean over the legal limit for driving, this means obviously intoxicated. Most people show very few signs of intoxication at the legal limit. But we all know when our buddy is drunk, it obvious, and we've all watched him and people like him mosey up to the bar and get poured another beer.
The trick is it's hard to enforce. Nonetheless, it would solve a vast majority of the problems. Closing up early won't help. Neither will moving the bar further away from the liquor store. The problems with drunks will only stop when we address the drunks themselves, not when we enfuriate the responsible drinkers who enjoy a pint or two while watching a game or having some nachos with the gang.
i 100% agree with you, if your drunk your cut off, but no bar will do that, because the drunker the people are the more generous on tips they will be and buying more and more drinks for themselves or frineds
i really don't care if they change the laws, i drink only a few times a year, espicaly in the summer, i'd rather go to the track on a friday night till 10, then go to out crusin around and waste a tank of gas than go get drunk and forget my entire night, thats just pointless, for all i care they could say you can only serve booze on friday and saturday and no other day of the week and i wouldn't give a shit, eventho that would never happen |
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| GQsmooth |
| fuck mandel, there is no point to this proposition...What purpose would it serve? |
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| BananaBoy |
2 guys get wasted and get into a shoving match, the cops are called in. The next day the paper has a front page story about the "Fight on Whyte!", thousands of people (who have never been to Whyte) get sucked in to on on how bad it is. The next week Mandel get a few hundred calls about how he should do some thing about it, so he tries out a few ideals.
Why the hell are people blaming Mandel?
Blame the people that don't know any better but just like to bitch at city hall.
Blame the local media for hyping up a few isolated incidents.
Blame the bartenders that keep serving obviously drunk morons.
But most importantly, Blame the drunk morons that do this shit. These guys get a night in the drunk tank and a fine. Meanwhile the rest of us have to deal with there stupidity. |
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| midnite |
the change won't really affect me, but it's a pointless change and i see no need for it.
if you want drunk people to stop stabbing each other, make the laws for carrying a knife the same as a gun.
if you have to carry a knife then you are insecure to the point that you shouldn't be out at night anyway. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by midnite
the change won't really affect me, but it's a pointless change and i see no need for it.
if you want drunk people to stop stabbing each other, make the laws for carrying a knife the same as a gun.
if you have to carry a knife then you are insecure to the point that you shouldn't be out at night anyway.
They are to an extent. Unless people are getting stabbed with a Swiss Army knife... THere's a limit on blade length and the weapon can't be concealed. Seeing as how a ton of these stabbings are from guys who've been in bars, if it's not concealed the bar probably never would've let them in.
I say bars here do what Canadainns did in Winnipeg: they all get metal detectors. Not as sensitive as the airport ones where a normal belt will set it off, since a detonator cap or battery that might power a bomb isn't what we're looking for, but enough that you have to dump you keys and change into a little box and get patted down by the bouncer if it goes off.
I mean c'mon, if they do it in Winnipeg, where the average is like 18 murders a year, it should definately be done here. Also makes it safer for the staff. I bet it'd even help them get a reduction on their liability insurance. |
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| Inzane |
| I'd rather walk through a metal detector than have to submit my personal information to those ID scan setups (those fucking bar ID things that scan your driver's license). |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Inzane
I'd rather walk through a metal detector than have to submit my personal information to those ID scan setups (those fucking bar ID things that scan your driver's license).
They did those too. For their blacklist. |
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| RacerGirl |
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Originally posted by Inzane
I'd rather walk through a metal detector than have to submit my personal information to those ID scan setups (those fucking bar ID things that scan your driver's license).
I've been in bars that do both, as well as go through my handbag. It doesn't bother me in the slightest since I would rather have that extra 30 seconds it takes for them to check everything, than worry that if some drunk idiot gets into a fight, others could be seriously hurt.
I have been in bars where the police have had to come question all the patrons because of a shooting right outside that started in the club; as well as another time someone pepper sprayed half the bar.
Either way, if the new laws do come into effect, they won't affect me, but as chris said, it is pointless. You won't stop the drunken idiots by closing earlier, you have to take more action inside the bar/club. |
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| LeadSled |
If anyone remembers the story about the guy from Lloydminster with the two girls and they got jumped and stabbed on Whyte Ave a month or two ago, I'm friends with one girl who was there. It was a gang of indians (natives) that she said weren't drunk. Partly the reason he died as she claims is that they had to wait 40 minutes for police and an ambulance to arrive.
IMO the gangs are a far bigger problem than the drunks around the city. If someone is severly intoxicated they become less of a threat IMO because they are a human punching bag. I'd rather fight a dude who is pissed drunk then a group of sober guys any day. |
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| P_D |
| its not gangs that are the problem or drunks or serving booze to 1000's of ppl. Its the jerk off that decides that stabbing or shooting or even hitting another person is the answer to a problem, granted most of them have the attitude of a 12 year old spoild brat cuz there parents wouldnt disapline them for being little bastard but its no excuse, or come from another part of the world where the value of life is defind by how many virgins u get when you die. not that all of them think that way but most do any how thats my rant for the day |
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| midnite |
| there is a loss of morals and respect for each other within society these days and changing a liqour stores hours isn't going to fix that. |
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| 180sxforthewin |
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Originally posted by midnite
there is a loss of morals and respect for each other within society these days and changing a liqour stores hours isn't going to fix that.
Agreed
People need to look for the easy target, they will never blame themselves for the problems going on. Therefore liqour, rap music, death metal, violent video games, horror movies....... Are resposible for all things wrong with the world today. |
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