| stybscelica |
Here is some more info in street racing and Bill c-19 reguarding the criminal consequences.
Cheers
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| dance_of_curse |
| more time in prison then the kids who killed the guy on the bus. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
yea we live in a pretty fucked up world hey.. no doubt street racing is dumb but its pretty sad when you go to jail for driving your car like an idiot compared to gang beating the living shit out of someone and then getting a what 2 year parole sentence only lol. or all the stabbings where the kids get away with it.
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| fartcannon |
what amazes me is how the citizens of our country are trying desperately to put acutal criminals and reoffenders behind bars yet the courts are saying they cant do anything and it will take another generation before something can be done yet they can create this law and put people who race away for five year to life
pretty fucked up if you ask me
also why the fuck dont they do this to drunk drivers?
they give reoffender drunk drivers two years most of the time
there was some special on cbc a while back about a guy who had over fifty convictions of drunk driving and he only got five years in prison in a min security prison and acutally escaped?
fuck canada your legal system sucks some serious cock
this makes me want to go into law and eventually politics so i can try and change some of the stupid the government is doing right now |
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| CanuckDave |
| I can understand tough sentences for causing bodily harm or death resulting from it, but 5 years for simply street racing? that seems a little extreme. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by CanuckDave
I can understand tough sentences for causing bodily harm or death resulting from it, but 5 years for simply street racing? that seems a little extreme.
yea thats what im thinking..i can understand if harm is done. but to automaticly give someone who races a stiffer sentence then someone who beats someone to death in the 3rd degree is pretty sad |
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| CanuckDave |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
yea thats what im thinking..i can understand if harm is done. but to automaticly give someone who races a stiffer sentence then someone who beats someone to death in the 3rd degree is pretty sad
Exactly what I was getting at, if you look at this and compare it to the time given for other offences, it looks a little rediculous.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating street racing, track is always safer but really.. if people are considerate of time and place, does having a bit of fun on an empty road warrant 5 years in prison? |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by CanuckDave
Exactly what I was getting at, if you look at this and compare it to the time given for other offences, it looks a little rediculous.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating street racing, track is always safer but really.. if people are considerate of time and place, does having a bit of fun on an empty road warrant 5 years in prison?
frankly i think that should deserve the death penalty! :loco: |
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| fartcannon |
im sure they would give jail time to reoffenders which is why if you become a reoffender when you see those cop lights you speed speed speed away
thats the other problem
if jail time is enforced im sure many high speed chases will take place because fuck it they are already going to jail why not try and loose the cops and not go to jail
not that that is really a logical choice but i can see some idiots attempting it |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by fartcannon
not that that is really a logical choice but i can see some idiots attempting it
i can see alot of people attempting something like that.
i havent really been paying much attention to this bill their trying to pass, but i think its kinda retarded how its under the officers discretion to determine whether its racing or not |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by CanuckDave
Exactly what I was getting at, if you look at this and compare it to the time given for other offences, it looks a little rediculous.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating street racing, track is always safer but really.. if people are considerate of time and place, does having a bit of fun on an empty road warrant 5 years in prison?
If you get caught, kill the cop to make your jail sentence worth while.
JK!!!!!!!!
But yea 5 years is harsh.
On the other hand if you kill someone, I am all for life in prison. |
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| dance_of_curse |
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Originally posted by stealth
If you get caught, kill the cop to make your jail sentence worth while.
JK!!!!!!!!
But yea 5 years is harsh.
On the other hand if you kill someone, I am all for life in prison.
well....if you kill the cop chasing you youd get manslaughter or what ever it would be to accidential kill a cop. so like 2 years..vs 5 years...there may be alot of dead cops showing up. |
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| MPZoom |
Question!
is the term street racing only referring atleast 2 vehicles 'racing' and exceeding above the speed limit?
or does it also mean "1 JohnDoe accelerating hard to speed limit." |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by MPZoom
Question!
is the term street racing only referring atleast 2 vehicles 'racing' and exceeding above the speed limit?
or does it also mean "1 JohnDoe accelerating hard to speed limit."
street racing is defined as two motorists engaged in a bet or wager. which can be interpreted as anything really. when i was caught a few years i ago i was told by the crown that i can be betting the other driver simply that i would beat him in a race, it doesnt have to be for any monetary gain so basicly if theres two of you, you are street racing..the only way you can get out of this ticket is to hope one of you gets away. |
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| dtjohnst |
You're comparing apples and oranges here.
The "law" for murder says one thing, what actually happens at sentencing is another, and how long the person stays behind bars is yet another. You guys are using the latter two as arguments.
The "law" for Street Racing says one thing, what actually happens has yet to be seen, so you're using what the law says.
If you want to make a fair comparison, compare the 2 "laws", not how long people actually get for murder vs how long people are supposed to get for street racing.
So street racing can be up to 5 years in jail, maximum. What's murder?
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235. (1) Every one who commits first degree murder or second degree murder is guilty of an indictable offence and shall be sentenced to imprisonment for life.
(2) For the purposes of Part XXIII, the sentence of imprisonment for life prescribed by this section is a minimum punishment.
Life. No less and no more. And manslaughter?
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236. Every person who commits manslaughter is guilty of an indictable offence and liable
(a) where a firearm is used in the commission of the offence, to imprisonment for life and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of four years; and
(b) in any other case, to imprisonment for life.
So no minimum, unless you used a firearm then it's 4 years, and a maximum of life.
I think we can all agree that street racing is done with intent to race, fully knowing the hazards and just being ignorant of the chance it can happen. You are, therefore, risking the commision of manslaughter EVERY time you do it, and you do so knowingly.
We aren't talking about some guys jumped you at a party and in fighting back you accidently killed one. We're talking you intentionally went out, did something you fully knew was dangerous, and accepted that someone might die because of your actions. It stands to reason, therefore, that the punishment should be more harsh than standard manslaughter.
So now when you compare apples to apples, you see it isn't as bad as everyone makes it seem. "Murderers" aren't getting 2 years, because they HAVE to get life. If they work a deal and get it dropped to manslaughter, they might get less than 5, but we have yet to see what kind of sentences get handed down for street racing. For all we know it might be 2 months.
And as a side note: if a police officer dies while you're resisting arrest or assaulting him, it's automatically murder (ie not manslaughter, since manslaughter is any culpable homocide except murder or infantacide), regardless of whether or not you had intent.
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Culpable homicide is murder where a person causes the death of a human being while committing or attempting to commit high treason or treason or an offence mentioned in section 52 (sabotage), 75 (piratical acts), 76 (hijacking an aircraft), 144 or subsection 145(1) or sections 146 to 148 (escape or rescue from prison or lawful custody), section 270 (assaulting a peace officer), section 271 (sexual assault), 272 (sexual assault with a weapon, threats to a third party or causing bodily harm), 273 (aggravated sexual assault), 279 (kidnapping and forcible confinement), 279.1 (hostage taking), 343 (robbery), 348 (breaking and entering) or 433 or 434 (arson), whether or not the person means to cause death to any human being and whether or not he knows that death is likely to be caused to any human being, if
(a) he means to cause bodily harm for the purpose of
(i) facilitating the commission of the offence, or
(ii) facilitating his flight after committing or attempting to commit the offence,
and the death ensues from the bodily harm;
(b) he administers a stupefying or overpowering thing for a purpose mentioned in paragraph (a), and the death ensues therefrom; or
(c) he wilfully stops, by any means, the breath of a human being for a purpose mentioned in paragraph (a), and the death ensues therefrom.
Not only that, but as soon as you inflict any bodily harm on a peace officer, whether or not you knew it was likely to kill him, it's murder in the 1st. So in either case, you SHOULD get a life sentence, the only difference being if you don't inflict harm on a cop and he dies, you're eligable for parole in 10, if you do, you're eligable for parole in 15.
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231.(4) Irrespective of whether a murder is planned and deliberate on the part of any person, murder is first degree murder when the victim is
(a) a police officer, police constable, constable, sheriff, deputy sheriff, sheriff’s officer or other person employed for the preservation and maintenance of the public peace, acting in the course of his duties;
(b) a warden, deputy warden, instructor, keeper, jailer, guard or other officer or a permanent employee of a prison, acting in the course of his duties; or
(c) a person working in a prison with the permission of the prison authorities and acting in the course of his work therein.
And running from the cops is not smart. I hate to tell you this: they look at your plate before they turn on their lights, and remember it as soon as you rabbit. You might outrun them, and while you and your buddies are joking about how you outrun the fuzz, they're already getting a few units together at your house to wait for your return where they will then confiscate your car and your plates, take away you're licence, issue you with several fines, search your entire car, and prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law on anything and everything they can convince the crown to push for, and nothing you can say to a judge will get you slack. |
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| stybscelica |
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Originally posted by fartcannon
there was some special on cbc a while back about a guy who had over fifty convictions of drunk driving and he only got five years in prison in a min security prison and acutally escaped?
Just clarifying the details;
It was in camrose and my partner arrested him for his 19th impaird. Sentenced to five years min security, his health is pretty crappy as he was up to a 40lbs er a day. Can you say pickled liver.
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| lovinthespeed |
what are you talking about your comparing a fight to street racing. so i go to a fight no i dont think i will kill them but there is the chance there i will, street racing there is a chance i will crash and kill someone but its way back in my head. so they both are just as bad. there is no way street racing is as bad as careing a knife around or dealing drugs and those are both slaps on the wrist trust me i know. but yety streetracing your paying throught your teeth and in court a ton when you take the responsibillity to go to a deserted road and have fun. ok ya i can see if your streetracing in the city understandable.
ps if people are ever big into streetracing they do have a second plate which they put on wen doing it and its usually stolen.
ps no i dont like street racing or killing or anything in that matter.
i have never been charged and have one speeding ticket i am clean as a whistle but i dont think the max should be 5 years for a race |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by lovinthespeed
what are you talking about your comparing a fight to street racing. so i go to a fight no i dont think i will kill them but there is the chance there i will, street racing there is a chance i will crash and kill someone but its way back in my head. so they both are just as bad. there is no way street racing is as bad as careing a knife around or dealing drugs and those are both slaps on the wrist trust me i know. but yety streetracing your paying throught your teeth and in court a ton when you take the responsibillity to go to a deserted road and have fun. ok ya i can see if your streetracing in the city understandable.
ps if people are ever big into streetracing they do have a second plate which they put on wen doing it and its usually stolen.
ps no i dont like street racing or killing or anything in that matter.
i have never been charged and have one speeding ticket i am clean as a whistle but i dont think the max should be 5 years for a race
i think what dtjohnst was saying, is that the MAXIMUM for street racing would be 5 years. so if you happened to be apart of a large street racing syndicate and constantly street race at an organized level (like what you would see in fast and furious movies) then chances are youd be subject to the 5 year maximum. Chances are, in edmonton, not much of that organized racing goes on anymore, and street racing has been lowered to pety goes on green lights. If your caught doing that in the city, i would bet you would still just recieve the 6 demerit street racing fine. get caught doing it a few more times and chances are youd see jail time. Also, if your caught having a go on a back country side road, most cops will pull you over tell you to smarten up and let you go. If your caught booting it down 97th street, your getting a fine no matter how nice you are.. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by lovinthespeed
what are you talking about your comparing a fight to street racing. so i go to a fight no i dont think i will kill them but there is the chance there i will, street racing there is a chance i will crash and kill someone but its way back in my head. so they both are just as bad. there is no way street racing is as bad as careing a knife around or dealing drugs and those are both slaps on the wrist trust me i know. but yety streetracing your paying throught your teeth and in court a ton when you take the responsibillity to go to a deserted road and have fun. ok ya i can see if your streetracing in the city understandable.
ps if people are ever big into streetracing they do have a second plate which they put on wen doing it and its usually stolen.
ps no i dont like street racing or killing or anything in that matter.
i have never been charged and have one speeding ticket i am clean as a whistle but i dont think the max should be 5 years for a race
No, I compared MURDER and MANSLAUGHTER to Street Racing. now you're comparing drug dealing, again based on what people are getting not what the law says, despite the fact that we haven't seen what people charged for Street Racing will get.
All I'm saying is STOP doing that. I don't care what you compare street racing to, you can't compare what people are actually getting handed down as sentences in one crime with the MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE sentence for street racing. That's not the same thing at all.
We can do that with anything. People who deal drugs get slaps on the wrists and pay fines, but selling or making litterature to aid in illicit drug use (use selling a pamphlet on "how to make your own bong"), can get you a maximum of one year in jail. Oh my God, how unfair.
Except then you realize people selling and making literature for illicit drug use are usually just left alone to continue doing it.
What's the MAXIMUM for dealing drugs? LIFE for a 1st OFFENCE! Vs 5 years for any NUMBER OF OFFENCES.
So if people who commit an offense that could get them LIFE the 1st time they're caught are getting slaps on the wrist (and not everyone is), then I bet street racers will find much the same. I doubt we'll see very long sentences for first offenders.
So in reality, you're comparing Street Racing (5 years MAXIMUM) to drug dealing (25 years maximum).
Do you get my point yet? STOP comparing what people are actually being sentenced to for 1 crime with what the MAXIMUM penalty is for street racing. You can't do that and think you're making a real comparison.
The key part of the Canadian Legal system to remember here is that a judge can sentence someone to a shorter sentence than even what the criminal code specifies as a mandatory minimum because sentences must be interpreted and administered in a manner consistent with the criminal justice system's overall sentencing regime, according to the Constitution and susequent Supreme Court rulings
Meaning if you get 5 years for a first offence for street racing, you appeal the sentencing and have your lawyer bring up that drug dealers and murderes have gotten less as of late, and I can guarantee you that yours will be reduced unless you have some history of violence or danger with a vehicle. But I don't think we'll find people having this problem anywas.
As for street racers using a fake licence plate: that's one of the reasons EPS has Air One. Outrun a car, fine. Now try outrunning a helicopter. Racing is one thing. But going out with intent to race and preparing for it and then trying to evade capture because you were prepared......you will get even less slack than you would just from running. If you're that deep in some underground activity, don't be surprised to find yourself constantly being harassed by the cops.
Do you know anyone who's run from the cops and gotten caught in the end? I do. He was caught 4 days later. They arrested him at the grocery store when an officer recognized the car. What would have been his 2nd speeding ticket ended up instead being Public Mischeif, Dangerous Operation (federal), Obstructing Justice (for running and therefore resisting arrest). What did what should've been a $120 ticket turn into? $2000, 6 months in jail, and a criminal record which cost him his job. Last I heard, he's still working as a janitor because he can't get anything else with his criminal record.
Yeah, really sounds worth it. Especially with the new changes to how young offenders are treated. None of that will get erased just because you were 17 anymore.
Now I realize you said you don't condone it, and I'm not implying you do. My point in mentioning this stuff was that running from the police is NOT cheaper than pulling over and taking your fine. Especially since I can almost guarantee you that we won't see jailtime for a 1st offence, and very little if any for a 2nd one once the first few cases get to court. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
No, I compared MURDER and MANSLAUGHTER to Street Racing. now you're comparing drug dealing, again based on what people are getting not what the law says, despite the fact that we haven't seen what people charged for Street Racing will get.
All I'm saying is STOP doing that. I don't care what you compare street racing to, you can't compare what people are actually getting handed down as sentences in one crime with the MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE sentence for street racing. That's not the same thing at all.
We can do that with anything. People who deal drugs get slaps on the wrists and pay fines, but selling or making litterature to aid in illicit drug use (use selling a pamphlet on "how to make your own bong"), can get you a maximum of one year in jail. Oh my God, how unfair.
Except then you realize people selling and making literature for illicit drug use are usually just left alone to continue doing it.
What's the MAXIMUM for dealing drugs? LIFE for a 1st OFFENCE! Vs 5 years for any NUMBER OF OFFENCES.
So if people who commit an offense that could get them LIFE the 1st time they're caught are getting slaps on the wrist (and not everyone is), then I bet street racers will find much the same. I doubt we'll see very long sentences for first offenders.
So in reality, you're comparing Street Racing (5 years MAXIMUM) to drug dealing (25 years maximum).
Do you get my point yet? STOP comparing what people are actually being sentenced to for 1 crime with what the MAXIMUM penalty is for street racing. You can't do that and think you're making a real comparison.
The key part of the Canadian Legal system to remember here is that a judge can sentence someone to a shorter sentence than even what the criminal code specifies as a mandatory minimum because sentences must be interpreted and administered in a manner consistent with the criminal justice system's overall sentencing regime, according to the Constitution and susequent Supreme Court rulings
Meaning if you get 5 years for a first offence for street racing, you appeal the sentencing and have your lawyer bring up that drug dealers and murderes have gotten less as of late, and I can guarantee you that yours will be reduced unless you have some history of violence or danger with a vehicle. But I don't think we'll find people having this problem anywas.
As for street racers using a fake licence plate: that's one of the reasons EPS has Air One. Outrun a car, fine. Now try outrunning a helicopter. Racing is one thing. But going out with intent to race and preparing for it and then trying to evade capture because you were prepared......you will get even less slack than you would just from running. If you're that deep in some underground activity, don't be surprised to find yourself constantly being harassed by the cops.
Do you know anyone who's run from the cops and gotten caught in the end? I do. He was caught 4 days later. They arrested him at the grocery store when an officer recognized the car. What would have been his 2nd speeding ticket ended up instead being Public Mischeif, Dangerous Operation (federal), Obstructing Justice (for running and therefore resisting arrest). What did what should've been a $120 ticket turn into? $2000, 6 months in jail, and a criminal record which cost him his job. Last I heard, he's still working as a janitor because he can't get anything else with his criminal record.
Yeah, really sounds worth it. Especially with the new changes to how young offenders are treated. None of that will get erased just because you were 17 anymore.
Now I realize you said you don't condone it, and I'm not implying you do. My point in mentioning this stuff was that running from the police is NOT cheaper than pulling over and taking your fine. Especially since I can almost guarantee you that we won't see jailtime for a 1st offence, and very little if any for a 2nd one once the first few cases get to court.
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
i HIGHLY doubt the comment about running was serious...cmon man.
Lots of people try it now. Plus the motion was entertained when people began making other suggestions, like opposite plates. It's not unreasonable to think people might consider it. |
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| Fazda |
| i think if there were more tracks accesible to people, not just odd ones here and there street racing would decress considerably. but pretty much every light i pull up to there is some ricer trying to race me in my audi.:dunno: |
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| MPZoom |
| Yeah a race strip and track would probably tone it down lots...the only track here is at castrol raceway no? and autocross events sprinkled here and there.. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| most people know better then to run from cops...if someone is gunna run from a cop it doesnt matter what laws you have in place because they are obviously mentally challenged and will do so no matter what the law makers do. they need unregulated strips outside the city where if people want to bust loose they can do so. the govt however would never allow this due to liability reasons. so we are left to bitch and thats about the end of it...street racing will always occur, and police will always be out to try and cut it down some. |
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| 0range_240 |
I agree with alot of the things people are saying here. However dtjohnst you just cant compare murder and manslaughter with street racing. Why? because street racing is missing one key component thats crucial: someone dying. Murder and manslaughter are both offences in which there is a definite victim, and he or she is ALREADY dead. Street racing is dangerous yes, and it takes lives every year yes.. but causing a dangerous situation in which the possibility of someone getting hurt or killed is increased, is in no way the same as actually taking that person's life.
I love how the government focus's all their time and effort on issues that make the headlines but not the one's that are more urgent.. like how about fixing our road's so we dont have to worry about blowing a fucking sidewall out on a pothole the size of a watermelon.. like at calgary trail south and whitemud, or 111st and 23rd ave.. the list goes on. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by 0range_240
I agree with alot of the things people are saying here. However dtjohnst you just cant compare murder and manslaughter with street racing. Why? because street racing is missing one key component thats crucial: someone dying. Murder and manslaughter are both offences in which there is a definite victim, and he or she is ALREADY dead. Street racing is dangerous yes, and it takes lives every year yes.. but causing a dangerous situation in which the possibility of someone getting hurt or killed is increased, is in no way the same as actually taking that person's life.
I love how the government focus's all their time and effort on issues that make the headlines but not the one's that are more urgent.. like how about fixing our road's so we dont have to worry about blowing a fucking sidewall out on a pothole the size of a watermelon.. like at calgary trail south and whitemud, or 111st and 23rd ave.. the list goes on.
You're a clown. Did you even read the whole thread or just my long posts at the end and decide to jump on me for straightening people out?
I wasn't the one comparing them, other people were and claiming the punishment for street racing was soo horrendous compared to the "slap on the wrist" people get for murder and manslaughter. Don't whine at me for trying to show how stupid that comparison is and how it can't be done, whine at the people who were trying to do it initially that I corrected.
I don't know if tracks would help. People would have to go when it was open, which meant restricted hours, unless you had a 24 hour track. And I don't think the government should be responsible for setting up racetracks. If it's profitable, someone should go do it. If it isn't, there's nothing the government can do about it.
This ammendment to C19 came as a direct result in the increase of street racing incidents across the country. If it wasn't happening enough to actually pose a problem, they wouldn't be toughening up the laws against it. |
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| Blaine B. |
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Originally posted by Fazda
i think if there were more tracks accesible to people, not just odd ones here and there street racing would decress considerably. but pretty much every light i pull up to there is some ricer trying to race me in my audi.:dunno:
You have a world class race track half an hour away at most. Don't complain about access to facilities. |
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| lovinthespeed |
| ps its about an hour from far north end |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by lovinthespeed
ps its about an hour from far north end
yep, not to mention the gas it takes to get there etc etc far too inconveniant for some people. they need to sit down and take this situation seriously if they are going to pretend to in the media. there are far better options then to just slap a jail term onto a law thats already not working.. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
yep, not to mention the gas it takes to get there etc etc far too inconveniant for some people. they need to sit down and take this situation seriously if they are going to pretend to in the media. there are far better options then to just slap a jail term onto a law thats already not working..
So propose something. Would a race track be profitable or a money sink? If it would be profitable, then go build one. Phersonally, I REALLY don't think the government should have to spend millions (or more) of my tax dollars to build race tracks by all the major cities to cut down on people who think it'd be fun to race. If THEY want to race, THEY should build the track, and take the harsh financial penalties that would come with having a racetrack that generates little recenue.....assuming that even would fix the problem. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
So propose something. Would a race track be profitable or a money sink? If it would be profitable, then go build one. Phersonally, I REALLY don't think the government should have to spend millions (or more) of my tax dollars to build race tracks by all the major cities to cut down on people who think it'd be fun to race. If THEY want to race, THEY should build the track, and take the harsh financial penalties that would come with having a racetrack that generates little recenue.....assuming that even would fix the problem.
i dont recall saying build more racetracks was a viable option, but for the sake of your argument, how bout this, youd rather spend all your tax money housing and feeding thousands of street racing "criminals"?? that doesnt make a whole lot of sense now either does it... How bout keep the status quo. Take the liscenses away of repeat offenders. Get caught once, take your fine and your 6 demerits. Get caught twice, theres a 1 or 2 year suspension. etc etc putting people in jail is the stupidest and most laziest solution to this problem ive ever heard of. i was caught once 4 years ago booting it around with some friends at night.. i was caught and given a hefty fine and 6 demerits.. you dont much want to do it again after that point...if you do, you will obviously not learn your lesson and your liscense should be suspended. HOWEVER, if you obviously cause harm to someone while street racing, then jail time wouldnt be such a bad thing, this in my opinion is what this whole law is about, i highly doubt anyone caught street racing will get any jail time, unless they struck public property or hit someone. It could go back to the time the lady was killed by that corvette and the pathetic sentence he recieved for doing so, with new legislation that man probably would have recieved the 5 year maximum. Some kids on a back road in the middle of the night more then likely would see nothing more then a huge fine and some demerits. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
i dont recall saying build more racetracks was a viable option, but for the sake of your argument, how bout this, youd rather spend all your tax money housing and feeding thousands of street racing "criminals"?? that doesnt make a whole lot of sense now either does it... How bout keep the status quo. Take the liscenses away of repeat offenders. Get caught once, take your fine and your 6 demerits. Get caught twice, theres a 1 or 2 year suspension. etc etc putting people in jail is the stupidest and most laziest solution to this problem ive ever heard of. i was caught once 4 years ago booting it around with some friends at night.. i was caught and given a hefty fine and 6 demerits.. you dont much want to do it again after that point...if you do, you will obviously not learn your lesson and your liscense should be suspended. HOWEVER, if you obviously cause harm to someone while street racing, then jail time wouldnt be such a bad thing, this in my opinion is what this whole law is about, i highly doubt anyone caught street racing will get any jail time, unless they struck public property or hit someone. It could go back to the time the lady was killed by that corvette and the pathetic sentence he recieved for doing so, with new legislation that man probably would have recieved the 5 year maximum. Some kids on a back road in the middle of the night more then likely would see nothing more then a huge fine and some demerits.
Ah, in that case, I agree with you completely. I was under the assumption you were in favour of this race track idea. |
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| Blaine B. |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
yep, not to mention the gas it takes to get there etc etc far too inconveniant for some people. they need to sit down and take this situation seriously if they are going to pretend to in the media. there are far better options then to just slap a jail term onto a law thats already not working..
You are complaining about the cost of gas for your car now?
If you had a racetrack across the street from you I get the feeling you would still find excuses. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Blaine B.
You are complaining about the cost of gas for your car now?
If you had a racetrack across the street from you I get the feeling you would still find excuses.
I think you missed his point. A track won't stop street racing unless there's one at every street corner, and even then it would still continue to a lesser extent. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by Blaine B.
You are complaining about the cost of gas for your car now?
If you had a racetrack across the street from you I get the feeling you would still find excuses.
i dunno if youve read anything i wrote because you obviously didnt get my point if you did. Im simply saying its an inconvenience to most people to even bother going out there when its so easy to just do it on the street, its over and done with in 20 seconds, where as going to the track takes a few hours of your life away lol (not my logic but the logic of many who choose not to go to the track)
more tracks is not the solution, but neither is giving jail time for such a pety crime. |
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| uncle ben |
| can anyone think of another law that gives an officer the ability to send someone to jail for 5 years, based simply on their "discression" ? no evidence, their word against yours. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by uncle ben
can anyone think of another law that gives an officer the ability to send someone to jail for 5 years, based simply on their "discression" ? no evidence, their word against yours.
its not the officers discression that sends you to jail, its the officers discression that sends you to court, where it becomes the judges discression wether or not you go to jail. |
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| uncle ben |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
its not the officers discression that sends you to jail, its the officers discression that sends you to court, where it becomes the judges discression wether or not you go to jail.
your missing the point. I didnt see the need to go throught the entire chain of events, from arrest to having charges filed, to prosecution, the trial, sentencing etc. becasue I'm not well versed in the legal process, and becasue i expected people to have common fucking sense and look past the simple wording of the question and instead of picking the question apart try to answer it. So let me rephrase, "can anyone think of another law that gives an officer the ability to (potentially) send someone to jail for 5 years, based simply on their "discression" ? no evidence, their word against yours." |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by uncle ben
your missing the point. I didnt see the need to go throught the entire chain of events, from arrest to having charges filed, to prosecution, the trial, sentencing etc. becasue I'm not well versed in the legal process, and becasue i expected people to have common fucking sense and look past the simple wording of the question and instead of picking the question apart try to answer it. So let me rephrase, "can anyone think of another law that gives an officer the ability to (potentially) send someone to jail for 5 years, based simply on their "discression" ? no evidence, their word against yours."
because your an idiot ill answer your question this way..
ANY FUCKING LAW YOU BREAK, AN OFFICER HAS THE RIGHT TO CHARGE YOU REGARDLESS OF EVIDENCE, PROVIDED HE WITNESSED THE ACTION.
you steal something and he sees you, you go to court judge decides your punishment.
you touch that hot chicks tit in accounting and he sees you, he charges you, you go to court and you potentially go to jail..
in other words EVERY LAW broken "gives an officer the ability to (potentially) send someone to jail for 5 years, based simply on their "discression". everything in law is discression. they call Judges JUDGES for that reason, its based on thier discression. all an officer is for is to lay the charge appropriately according to the law you break. it doesnt matter if you just accidently chirp your tires off the line on a green light. if he thinks you were racing he can charge you, and the judge has you from there. |
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| uncle ben |
there you go, that wasnt so hard. So now I know that
"ANY FUCKING LAW YOU BREAK, AN OFFICER HAS THE RIGHT TO CHARGE YOU REGARDLESS OF EVIDENCE, PROVIDED HE WITNESSED THE ACTION. "
I guess i better watch out for the 5 0 , next time my parking meter expires. I dont want to go to the slam for 5 yrs. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by uncle ben
there you go, that wasnt so hard. So now I know that
"ANY FUCKING LAW YOU BREAK, AN OFFICER HAS THE RIGHT TO CHARGE YOU REGARDLESS OF EVIDENCE, PROVIDED HE WITNESSED THE ACTION. "
I guess i better watch out for the 5 0 , next time my parking meter expires. I dont want to go to the slam for 5 yrs.
no you dont have to watch out for 5 0 because parking meters are governed under city BYlaws |
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