| Maxx_powers |
Where does everyone stand on this debate? I own a 97 Taurus SHO (3.4L V8), which goes like a bat out of hell, but I also own a 95 Probe GT (2.5L V6) which similarly goes. I've seen modded SHO's with 400bhp, and I've also seen modded Probe's with over 500bhp. I want to start spending money making my cars better than the rest, but I want to be different.
Which do you all think would be the car to modify? |
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| midnite |
| which car do you love more? |
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| jamaican |
| i've seen bolt on turbo kits for probes that can make you reach 400hp |
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| flatboy |
| I'd get rid of both those ford pcs. and get a Thunderbird, early -- mid 90's. You know the nice ones maybe even a Supercoupe. I saw 2 yesterday and those thing will always be my favorites. |
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| flatboy |
| oh and boost is the replacement, if you were asking the question :thumbup: |
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| GT34 |
The rotary is the only replacement for displacement :thumbup:.
If I had to pick between the 2, I'd say go with the probe because it's lighter, better looking and has a bigger aftermarket support than the SHO. I'm a longtime probe/mx6 driver and there's lots of guys out there not spending much money to get their probes going fast.
But picking between modding a Ford Taurus or a Probe is like choosing if you wanna shoot yourself in the head or jump off a bridge.:blink:
jk bro, and go with the probe |
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| svt28 |
| My little brother has a 91 supercoupe with ported heads and exhaust and my stock svt contour handed him his ass. I would go with the probe for sure :thumbup: |
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| euro_fcuk |
Ignorance seems to be a disease these days.
Almost track season, money talks and your walking. |
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| dc2696 |
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Originally posted by euro_fcuk
Almost track season, money talks and your walking.
Not soon enough... |
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| Wookey |
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Originally posted by dc2696
Not soon enough...
Its coming to soon i think. My car still has to go under the knife! |
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| chico_kj_23 |
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Originally posted by dc2696
Not soon enough...
agreed, cant wait to put the winter beater away and go for a drive. but back on topic, id say go with the probe. |
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| RWD |
| i'd take the probe.. more parts and probaly cheaper to fix up |
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| Markgase2000 |
I think its a matter of personal prefference really. One thing forsure is making your mind up about what car , what mods/augmentations you desire and then take it to the research phase and see if it is feesable to fully meet your needs. I reccomend deep thinking about the long term cus more often than not people change their minds and this can make now decisions regrettable in the future.
Take care man see ya around at work hopefully sooner than later : ) |
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| Maxx_powers |
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But picking between modding a Ford Taurus or a Probe is like choosing if you wanna shoot yourself in the head or jump off a bridge.
LMFAO
True...they are both a pain in the ass to work on...
I have done alot of maintainance work on both, and I can tell you right now, they are both tightly crammed into their respective engine bays.
Water pump on the Probe = 4 hours of cursing, hair pulling and finger splitting, while twirling your foot the right way to get it to line up. Oh, and BTW, if you don't replace the timing belt at this time, you're a fool. Like me. DAMMIT. At least the engine is non-interference.
Coils on the Taurus (not to mention the power steering pump, the generator, the starter, the transmission side pan, and so on...) = a full day of testing ALL the coils so that you can do all 4 rear ones just in case while the intake is all off, but not noticing that you just installed the manifold resonance chamber clamps upside down and have to pull it back apart again, then finding out the solenoid on the starter has water in it and freezes up when it gets warm then cools off again. HOORAY.
I know that when I get back from my 3rd bout of ASSET I'm tearing down the Probe to bore it out, and just go to town. The car is fairly quick, especially for it's age and km. I want to start it off right by building up the bottom end right the first time. If I plan for 400 hp now, I won't have to look back at it after the top end is done.
i just like being different :p and that's why I'm sticking with those 2.
As for styling of each, tinted, dropped and with rims, they are the 2 most stylin cars Ford has ever had. |
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| Rich_A |
| the replacement for displacement is bewst fluid. |
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| Markgase2000 |
I personally seen the Taurus and its a nice clean car nothin wrong with driving a sleeper. I seen pics of the Probe , very clean and stock from what you were saying. Nothin wrong with these cars however the opinions from others in here (the majority) will go for non domestic manufacturer cars.
I will stick to my guns and say the right car to do up is the one you are most fondest of.
Gluck bro and take care!:thumbup: |
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| ChromeDragon |
Well if you think that a stock SHO goes like a bat out of hell, either car with some decent amount of modification will blow you away.
That said, if forced to decide between the two I would likely mod the Probe purely because of its lighter weight and better handling abilities. You may not make as much power in the final product, but it will be a lot more fun to toss around the track. |
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| mikeylikesit |
the 3rd gen sho's dont have much aftermarket.. even everything on the shoforum doesnt seem to be much.. more out there for the 1st and 2nd gens.
as well it's going to be automatic no matter what. i havent read anything of the 3rd gens being converted to a 5 speed yet.
so your best bet would be to boost the probe. talk to fazda on here, he looked into/knew alot about boosting his 93 gt before.
the taurus would be fun but theres not much of anything for mods.
also have you welded your cams? dont want the typical 3rd gen cam failure. |
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| Maxx_powers |
| No I haven't yet...I'm being very weary of any drivetrain changes that would suggest it was going to happen. I'm not going to weld them, I'm looking for a lumpier cam. I'm just hoping I can find one before they go....that's the last thing I want to have happen to me. |
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| jdms13rhd |
I’m just jumping in here cuz of the thread title.
A 1989 Honda Integra that I drive as a winter car has a factory B16 and think they’re roughly 160BHP from the factory. Now you look at the new ZO6 corvette with the 6L V8 and they have what.... 550BHP
The Integra has more HP pr L than the corvette.... BY FAR!!!!!
Imports know how to make power from very little and I find domestic manufactures make the biggest waist of displacement!! Funny the import engines mostly last longer too. Just something that is always in the back of my mind and I also watch too much top gear clips and see why they bash american cars soo much and I love it!!!! |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Hp/L is the stupidest stat ever created.
It doesn't matter except to ricers and people who drive underpowered cars.
It's actually a 7.0 litre engine, by the way.
My 90 Hp/L still only got me a 14.1 at the track. Who cares?
The 'Vettes 78.xx Hp/L gets it into the 11s stock.
Domestics waste displacement? :lol: Displacement = TORQUE! Something no Honda ever built has.
Top Gear bashes American cars because they're built like pieces of shit. I've never heard them complain about being underpowered. |
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| ChromeDragon |
As I've said in the past. I'd really like to see some sort of universal system developed to give a rating for area under a torque curve. I realize you can just measure the area, yes. But I would like to see automakers start using this and displaying their power curves for all the world to see.
Peak torque and horsepower numbers mean nothing if they are at RPMs where you never use them. VW seems to be best about realizing this. Even their gas jobs make their torque at very usable levels. The 1.8T's peak torque came around 2,000 rpm and holds over 80 per cent of that torque throughout the rev range. |
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| jdms13rhd |
whooo budda...
There is import 3L's that have big tq and I just shot the integra-vette as an example and thaught it was funny. And top gear always questions the desplacement comparing it to other european cars having the same amount of power in smaller engines. But what ev's. I could care less anyways. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
| Any import engine that makes big torque uses forced induction, usually turbos, and generally doesn't have the powerband that a big displacement N/A engine does. |
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| B18C5R |
| hp/lb is where it is at |
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| svt28 |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Any import engine that makes big torque uses forced induction, usually turbos, and generally doesn't have the powerband that a big displacement N/A engine does.
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| Cobra_R |
You all have this argument wrong.
Displacement is all about how to displace air. forced induction displaces more air than N/A.
Throw twin turbos on a 460 and see how much north american cars suck when you are looking up to the blue sky under hard acceleration. wont corner worth shit but it wins this argument.
no replacement for displacement. always.
Just remember its the amount of air you are displacing not the amount of cubic inches you have under your hood. hence why I plan on getting a turboed 444. :eek: |
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| JustinL |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Hp/L is the stupidest stat ever created.
I like using that one for my shifter kart because it's so ridiculous. 300 hp/L at the wheels! |
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