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| Flamewerkz |
| Definitely would never be seen in a japanese car (other than Skyline) but damn! It's hard to see, but you're at 225hp and 193 Torque? Not bad. Is that at the wheels or crank? I've been thinking about boosting my Bimmer. Dunno yet. :) |
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| Godzilla |
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Originally posted by Flamewerkz
Definitely would never be seen in a japanese car (other than Skyline) but damn! It's hard to see, but you're at 225hp and 193 Torque? Not bad. Is that at the wheels or crank? I've been thinking about boosting my Bimmer. Dunno yet. :)
obviously at the wheels on a dynojet, and theres plenty of japanese vehicles other than the skyline capable of those numbers. one name that comes to mind is Supra |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by Flamewerkz
Definitely would never be seen in a japanese car (other than Skyline) but damn! It's hard to see, but you're at 225hp and 193 Torque? Not bad. Is that at the wheels or crank? I've been thinking about boosting my Bimmer. Dunno yet. :)
No Japanese car at 225?
:dunno:
227 @ the wheels here, bone stock.
250ish this summer! |
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| datslamd |
Considering he's swapped an engine in, s'like comparing apples to oranges.
Lates |
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| kornsined |
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Originally posted by Flamewerkz
Definitely would never be seen in a japanese car (other than Skyline) but damn! It's hard to see, but you're at 225hp and 193 Torque? Not bad. Is that at the wheels or crank? I've been thinking about boosting my Bimmer. Dunno yet. :)
Not uncommon at all in Japanese or any car for that matter. The numbers are actually 230whp and 212wtq. |
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| baker_jeff |
Now, I know NOTHING about K-Series, but those numbers seem low to me. A turbo B-Series will attain 300WHP on a stock block...
Do you know what a K-Series is able to handle? Not bashing or anything here, just very curious, as I am very uneducated on these engines.:) |
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| Can't Stop Spin |
| Isn't there a guy in the states running 10's on a stock block rsx? |
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| SilviaDrifter |
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Originally posted by baker_jeff
Now, I know NOTHING about K-Series, but those numbers seem low to me. A turbo B-Series will attain 300WHP on a stock block...
Do you know what a K-Series is able to handle? Not bashing or anything here, just very curious, as I am very uneducated on these engines.:)
K>B
its the way of teh future jeff |
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| EK9Hatch |
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Originally posted by SilviaDrifter
K>B
its the way of teh future jeff
My B>K
Can't WAIT for summer...:thumbup:
Jamie |
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| SilviaDrifter |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
My B>K
Can't WAIT for summer...:thumbup:
Jamie
Full Race :D |
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| EK9Hatch |
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Originally posted by SilviaDrifter
Full Race :D
Full Race + Benson Block = Boosted EK9 Monster.
Fuck I cant wait to drive my car...this is going to be insane...
Jamie |
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| tokes |
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Originally posted by datslamd
Considering he's swapped an engine in, s'like comparing apples to oranges.
Lates
Even without a swapped motor you can do quite a bit with a D-series. Look on H-T, lots of people running Z6's with vitara pistons, eagle rods, cheapo turbo kits and making some big power. One guy just did 405 WHP on that setup with a drag mani, T3/TO4E 57-trim, and an untouched cylinder head. Did 350 WHP on pump gas too :thumbup:
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Originally posted by SilviaDrifter
K>B
its the way of teh future jeff
Yeah, if you like glass transmissions and expensive ass parts :thumbup:
For the price of a K20 swap into an EG you could have built a stock sleeve forged pistons/rods LS/VTEC setup and be 3/4 of the way to a good turbo kit, and have something that will do 600+ WHP. People have made over 850 WHP with a B-series on gasoline. For an all-motor setup, you can't touch a K24 with a K20 head, but for a turbo motor you're going to be limited by traction and breaking trannies before you see any advantage in horsepower from the K-series. |
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| 95IntegraRS |
:rolleyes:
K24/K20 ultimate street setup?
Give it a rest. |
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| 95IntegraRS |
| Oh and those are good numbers for that setup. Good job man :thumbup: |
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| kornsined |
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Originally posted by baker_jeff
Now, I know NOTHING about K-Series, but those numbers seem low to me. A turbo B-Series will attain 300WHP on a stock block...
Do you know what a K-Series is able to handle? Not bashing or anything here, just very curious, as I am very uneducated on these engines.:)
The numbers are in the middle of the road. Remember this is an a3 motor out of a base RSX (SIR hatchback is the same motor with a different intake manifold). To go from 135whp to 230 is decent. Same engine 379whp @ 12psi almost 300wtq on a modified cybernation kit and other mods (06 si intake manifold). http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123506
From what I read stock block too.
The k20a2 is the most common engine you'll hear boosted. They hit 300whp easily with the right turbo.
I also have to agree that the trannies in Honda's recent vehicles have been weak. I've read many problems between the 7thgen civics and rsx.
Many websites to read up on k engines. k-series.com, k20a.org, clubrsx.com, and ephatch.com.
The main reason I swapped this engine was price. At the time an a2 engine was min $5000. I got mine $1400. After I bought the engine I decided 'ah what the hell. might as well boost too'.
Going to re-tune hopefully spring time. |
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| tokes |
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Originally posted by 95IntegraRS
:rolleyes:
K24/K20 ultimate street setup?
Give it a rest.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothrea...9778&page=3
Yeah, 300 WHP out of a naturally aspirated 4-cylinder motor on 91 octane gas without a cool down, I'd say that's got even the best built stroked pump gas B-series covered by 35-40 WHP. People are doing 260 WHP out of K24/K20's with boltons.
But I suppose you're going to say a GSR with boltons would be a better choice for a street motor? All that torque from a 2.4 won't hook up on the street so the smaller motor will be faster, or something like that? :dunno: |
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| 95IntegraRS |
Not comparing it to a B series build
Comparing it to a built K20 N/A build
Torque down low is a great thing, but when you are sacrificing revs it becomes a hindrance, especially on a small motor.
You might be right about it being the best for the street, but on the track the K20 will dominate for that reason. |
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| 95IntegraRS |
And built B18C's have been in the 280-350 horsepower range.
Its all preference and how much cash you have to drop, but I personally would go for a built K20 before I dropped money into K24 bottom end.
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| tokes |
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Originally posted by 95IntegraRS
And built B18C's have been in the 280-350 horsepower range.
Its all preference and how much cash you have to drop, but I personally would go for a built K20 before I dropped money into K24 bottom end.
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Show me one single B-series motor that has dynoed into the 300 range for a streetable motor. ONE.
The highest HP all motor B-series street car on H-T is Tbone's car making about 255 WHP, it's an 85mm 12.5:1 compression dart motor with ITB's and Skunk2 Pro2's. Not many teams are pushing past 300 WHP out of B-series cars without methanol, nevermind streetable combinations that will run on pump gas.
And why in the sweet chocolate christ would you take a K20 over a K24? So you can mythically rev higher and make more power?
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1250575
There's a 2000cc vs. 2240cc page. Not the exact same motor, but similar. If 200cc's gives you a 30-40 ft-lb torque advantage throughout the powerband, A K24 vs. K20 will be even higher. For a naturally aspirated setup it would be flat out silly to choose a K20 over a K24. IPS even built an almost 2.7L K-series that made some monster power.
Displacement and head flow are what make power in a motor, and the K-series has a big advantage on the B-series in that regard. |
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| 95IntegraRS |
Not comparing apples to oranges in those dyno charts.
11:1 vs. 12.8:1
If you are using an aggresive (race) cam spec on a K24, you won't be able to effectively rev it high enough due to the rod ratio.
Now, in a K20 motor, you have a much shorter stroke effectively raising the revs the motor can take. Now you can use that much more aggresive cam profile in the higher RPMs and produce that much more power.
I agree, street-wise on 91 pump, displacement gives you that much more power potential.
I didn't know we were arguing race vs. street though. |
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| Flamewerkz |
| Ya, I know there's lots of Japanese cars that make over 200hp! :D I'm just saying, from all Japanese cars, I only like Skylines. |
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| Lococoin |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
My B>K
Can't WAIT for summer...:thumbup:
Jamie
look forward to 1st to 3rd uselessness.:D |
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| Therin |
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Originally posted by Lococoin
look forward to 1st to 3rd uselessness.:D
only if you dont know how to launch :thumbup:
K > B because its newer and more advanced technology.
however for the price and parts out there. B > K
300hp streetable civic... lots out there. You usually just hear about the guy who put all his money into his engine and nothing into his suspension other than lowering springs. Said guy usually wheel hops thru 3rd gear and drops his engine cuz his motor mounts break under stress.
good numbers on the dyno
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| Therin |
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Originally posted by Lococoin
look forward to 1st to 3rd uselessness.:D
only if you dont know how to launch :thumbup:
K > B because its newer and more advanced technology.
however for the price and parts out there. B > K
300hp streetable civic... lots out there. You usually just hear about the guy who put all his money into his engine and nothing into his suspension other than lowering springs. Said guy usually wheel hops thru 3rd gear and drops his engine cuz his motor mounts break under stress.
good numbers on the dyno
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| Praylewd powr |
Steve, what are you thinking! 300+ in a honda is totally streetable. You just don't know how to drive.
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| Lococoin |
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Originally posted by Praylewd powr
Steve, what are you thinking! 300+ in a honda is totally streetable. You just don't know how to drive.
:rolleyes:
i thought ek9hatch was building some 600 whp monster? Why else would you build a c5 and put a big ass turbo on it.
dont know how to drive huh? who beat whom at the track
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| Praylewd powr |
600whp! sounds like....fun....maybe.
I need to think of my list of excuses steve.
It will be coming soon:
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| Holset Hatch |
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Originally posted by 95IntegraRS
Not comparing apples to oranges in those dyno charts.
11:1 vs. 12.8:1
If you are using an aggresive (race) cam spec on a K24, you won't be able to effectively rev it high enough due to the rod ratio.
Now, in a K20 motor, you have a much shorter stroke effectively raising the revs the motor can take. Now you can use that much more aggresive cam profile in the higher RPMs and produce that much more power.
I agree, street-wise on 91 pump, displacement gives you that much more power potential.
I didn't know we were arguing race vs. street though.
what your saying sounds alot like debating that a b16 is a better motor for racing than say a ls/vtec is. regardless of rod to stroke ratio you are going to make more power, end of story. what does it matter if you can rev to the moon, but in the end you make less power. and if it is your "race" motor, longevity is not an issue so why not use the bigger bottom end, with the better head and sacrifice a bit of the rod/stroke ratio downfalls in the higher rpm range?
is there any real world info that backs the concept of the k20 reving higher and making more power than a k24/k20 setup with the same cams? |
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| EK9Hatch |
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Originally posted by Lococoin
i thought ek9hatch was building some 600 whp monster? Why else would you build a c5 and put a big ass turbo on it.
dont know how to drive huh? who beat whom at the track
:stickpoke
I'll be at 550WHP for sure. We'll see what happens. Suspension is almost complete and I have been planning it for a while. Obviously I will be running slicks at the track.
Running low boost on the street is still going to yield HUGE numbers...so I guess time will tell how streetable it really will be.
In any event, I can't wait and I'm pumped. :thumbup:
Jamie
And as some of you may know, I am planning on purchasing a Viper RT/10 this summer. The Viper will be my main summer cruser, so even though I planned on having the EK9 Monster a street beast, I admit...it will probably be a track queen with limited daily driving. |
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| Holset Hatch |
| sounds like a beast, i look forward to seeing it at the track:thumbup: |
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| 95IntegraRS |
I could come up with an arguement and go and find racing team data that would contradict your statement, but really, I have better things to do. I wish I could give you more than that, but I'm basing this solely on racing motors.
I can only come up with one example and thats Sheppard. He could build a sweet ass 2.3 or 2.4 setup, but he sticks with the 2.0 for this exact reason. AMS has proven that they can make them fast with the 2.3/2.4 combinations, but the 2.0 still owns the strip.
But I misunderstood tokes and thought he was talking racing engines, which hes not, so its kind of a mute point. |
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| Holset Hatch |
| your also talking about turbo motors with shep and the ams crew. theres tons of honda guys that stay away from the bigger honda motors, h-series, dart blocks. and stick with the 81-84mm size motors. they can make more than enough power with the smaller motor, and possibly keep a bit more reliability by keeping a better r/s ratio, but that assumption is just speculation. my statement had more to do with all motor race engine. |
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