| motor swap doe a 95 talon, plz help - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| kanoppesi |
| hey wantin to put a 4g63 motor into my talon. it will soon be turboed but i want to know everything about doing this, plz help!! |
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| Blaine B. |
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Originally posted by kanoppesi
hey wantin to put a 4g63 motor into my talon. it will soon be turboed but i want to know everything about doing this, plz help!!
Turbo the 420A that's in there already or sell the car and buy a turbo model. Unless of course you have thousands of dollars to burn and hours and hours of free time to spend. |
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| eclipse.soul |
| yup i agree with Blaine here. :) dont think swapping a 4G63 into a original non turbo DSM is worth it... |
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| Talon_66 |
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Originally posted by kanoppesi
hey wantin to put a 4g63 motor into my talon. it will soon be turboed but i want to know everything about doing this, plz help!!
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| kanoppesi |
| ya thats what ppl have been sayin, its just i dont want to get ride of the car because of all the money i have put in it, its just gettin a few to many kms on it so i was deciding on all the options i could do. |
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| Blaine B. |
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Originally posted by kanoppesi
ya thats what ppl have been sayin, its just i dont want to get ride of the car because of all the money i have put in it, its just gettin a few to many kms on it so i was deciding on all the options i could do.
I understand the connection you have with your car, that doesn't change the fact that is a counter productive to try to reinvent the wheel.
Build the engine that is in your car, turbo it and live with the lack of traction or sell it for what the market will allow,buy a 2G GSX and start with the best possible platform of your application.
I know its not what you want to hear and its what you have heard before, but you have heard it countless times before for a reason, its the truth.
Don't let fear and common sense hold you back though, its your money, time and mental stress. Do with it what you want. All I offer is good advice, nobody has to take it. |
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| stealth |
What are the big problems with doing the swap?
Could just replacing the motor mounts, axles, etc. Allow the engine to sit properly?
Then just change the engine and body harnesses?
What is the hard and costly parts of the swap? |
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| Blaine B. |
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Originally posted by stealth
What are the big problems with doing the swap?
Could just replacing the motor mounts, axles, etc. Allow the engine to sit properly?
Then just change the engine and body harnesses?
What is the hard and costly parts of the swap?
Could you have sold your MR2 and bought a Turbo MR2 model with the money it cost you to do the swap on your MR2?
Add on to that the amount of personal time you lost on the project that could have been better spent and it's a no brainer.
Some people just like to bang their heads against the wall I guess. |
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| eclipse.soul |
| well if you really want to keep your old motor, as Blaine said build up the 420A and turbo it. |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by Blaine B.
Could you have sold your MR2 and bought a Turbo MR2 model with the money it cost you to do the swap on your MR2?
Add on to that the amount of personal time you lost on the project that could have been better spent and it's a no brainer.
Some people just like to bang their heads against the wall I guess.
Well, if I bought a clip, the headache would be cut in half and the cost would be in half also.
I could of sold my MR2 for a turbo one. But the amount of black cars available, and mileage on them, would of cost me more. (Ie. 20 000 at the time).
Also the extra even though minimal gains from the JDM engine, and lower mileage.
Why couldn't someone buy a front clip off of a FWD DSM, and swap it over winter? Im sure a clip would only cost 3 grand.
Also you have the sense of accomplishment of doing work on your own and learning from it. |
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| Blaine B. |
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Originally posted by stealth
Well, if I bought a clip, the headache would be cut in half and the cost would be in half also.
You already said if, you don't know.
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I could of sold my MR2 for a turbo one. But the amount of black cars available, and mileage on them, would of cost me more. (Ie. 20 000 at the time).
Also the extra even though minimal gains from the JDM engine, and lower mileage.
You can paint(Edit: the vehicle) and rebuild the engine in any car for less than 20 grand. Taking into account 10G's for a quality color change and that is on the high end.
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Why couldn't someone buy a front clip off of a FWD DSM, and swap it over winter? Im sure a clip would only cost 3 grand.
Also you have the sense of accomplishment of doing work on your own and learning from it.
Is that sense of accomplishment not counterbalanced by the reduced resale value of your pride and joy because it is not a "factory" turbo car?
I realize that you never get back the performance mods $$$ that you have in your car, but any reasonably educated performance car enthusiast wouldn't pay the same amount of money for a "swapped" car as they would for a "factory equipped" car. The performance parts $$$ lost is added on top of that.
On top of that, even though I love working on cars and have been since I was 10 years old, you have to take into account time spent on the project, you don't work for free anywhere else. Rarely does a project go as planned/without complications.
If you run a spreadsheet on your respective build and keep track of EVERYTHING you spend on it including misc. material,you will probably see that it would have been cheaper to sell the car you currently have, buy a turbo model and modify that to the same performance level. You would most likely have been driving it 2 months to 2 years sooner. |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by Blaine B.
You already said if, you don't know.
You can paint(Edit: the vehicle) and rebuild the engine in any car for less than 20 grand. Taking into account 10G's for a quality color change and that is on the high end.
Is that sense of accomplishment not counterbalanced by the reduced resale value of your pride and joy because it is not a "factory" turbo car?
I realize that you never get back the performance mods $$$ that you have in your car, but any reasonably educated performance car enthusiast wouldn't pay the same amount of money for a "swapped" car as they would for a "factory equipped" car. The performance parts $$$ lost is added on top of that.
On top of that, even though I love working on cars and have been since I was 10 years old, you have to take into account time spent on the project, you don't work for free anywhere else. Rarely does a project go as planned/without complications.
If you run a spreadsheet on your respective build and keep track of EVERYTHING you spend on it including misc. material,you will probably see that it would have been cheaper to sell the car you currently have, buy a turbo model and modify that to the same performance level. You would most likely have been driving it 2 months to 2 years sooner.
I don't understand what you're getting at the first quote.
Yes you can paint the car to your likings, but that is money that could be better spent elsewhere if you already get what you want.
The same can be said, for having a original turbo engine.
But I chose having a car that had zero rust, and paint deformations/accidents. Because we all know a engine swap is easier than body work.
And yes it would have been cheaper to sell my car and buy a turbo one, but at the time (being 16) money was an issue.
And honestly the time spent working on the car is negligible, it was done on spare time. It literally took me 10 hours to have everything bolted on. (10 hours of actual work, over the span of a winter).
Now I have it down to one day on the weekend.
As for driving it earlier, you have a point. I wasn't able to drive my car until May, thus it was delayed by one month.
The rest of the time was spent diagnosing.
But honestly for people who modify cars, who is out to sell it for anything remotely close to what they put into it?
I myself will never sell my car. Whats the point? Its not like I need the money or anything, I will keep it till the day I die or something happens to it. I don't see how selling my car for 15 grand, will remotely help me anywhere financially.
And I'm sure most people who extensively mod their cars feel the same way.
But I am still wondering, what are the complications in the NA-->Turbo DSM Swaps? |
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| DSM |
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Originally posted by stealth
But I am still wondering, what are the complications in the NA-->Turbo DSM Swaps?
The are completly different set ups, the enigne in the NT DSM's is a 420A (same as the neon) and the enigne in the turboed DSM's is a 4G63. They are different platforms to work from. The engine sits the opposite way, you would need a new wiring harness, engine, tranny, custom mounts, ecu,... |
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| eclipse.soul |
| it's a big hassle and many see that it's not really worth doing, so most people would just recommend to either turbo the 420A, or buy a GST or GSX (factory turbo versions of the 2G DSM) :) |
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| fatbastard |
Are you a welder/fabricator? Are you a mechanic? Are you an electronics genius? Can you read a wiring schematic? Do you know the difference between a MPI relay and ignition transistor? Do you have tons of money to blow for no return?
Nobody in their right mind is going to buy a swapped ESi or RS when they can buy a GST, it makes no sense.
If you are planning to keep the car forever, then sure, go for it. I can assure you that you'll NEVER get back what you put into it, not even close.
I've done many 4G63T swaps into things that aren't supposed to have them in them. At least in Colts (3G and 4G) the engine is physically in there the correct way, so that makes things a little easier. That being said, when you're ready to rip your hair out because you're in over your head, DON'T call/PM me for help, it's your baby.
I'm not even sure why I'm replying to this. Yes, it can be done, but at what cost? Common sense needs to kick in at some point. |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by DSM
The are completly different set ups, the enigne in the NT DSM's is a 420A (same as the neon) and the enigne in the turboed DSM's is a 4G63. They are different platforms to work from. The engine sits the opposite way, you would need a new wiring harness, engine, tranny, custom mounts, ecu,...
Ahh, so a simple front clip doesn't solve the problems.
There is more too it. |
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| Eclipser |
Its kind of like putting a 4g63 into a Civic.... (its been done)
Basically only do it if you have nothing better to do in life. And feel the need for an alser(sp?) |
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| Cody D |
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Originally posted by fatbastard
I've done many 4G63T swaps into things that aren't supposed to have them in them.
Have any of them ran? Haha, just kidding. |
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| Psi |
If you search for this kind of topic in any other DSM forum, you will get the same answers.
Not worth it. |
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| fatbastard |
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Originally posted by Cody D
Have any of them ran? Haha, just kidding.
Any of the one that I'VE done have ran. The colt isn't running now because I sold the T3/T4 that was on it.
I'mma gonna puncha youa in the heada, saskaboy! :) |
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| Eclipser |
Hmmm.
Mr. Me Big Ugly, Where's My Cheeseburger
VS.
Mr. Toothpick
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| Cody D |
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Originally posted by fatbastard
Any of the one that I'VE done have ran. The colt isn't running now because I sold the T3/T4 that was on it.
I'mma gonna puncha youa in the heada, saskaboy! :)
I'm training to be a cage fighter...
I don't think any of mine have ran, I just keep buying more. The Galant will run one day though. |
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