| h22civic |
| I saw a dark blue/black Pulsar GTiR on the back of a tow truck today on 118 ave near 149 street. It was hit very hard just behind the driver side (RHD)....maybe pushed in 18" at least. Back seat was folded upward into the middle of the car. Hope everyone was O.K....just missed the driver seat by a few inches.:( |
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| shorti |
I have only two concerns.
1. Is the driver ok?
2. Are there salvageable aftermarket parts? :p |
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| katrink |
| I am going to guess it was making a left hand turn at a intersection.. |
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| EK9Hatch |
First hand proof that RHD cars don't belong here ;)
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| jzz30tt |
So when a LHD car gets nailed after a left hand turn at an intersection then is that first hand proof that LHD don't belong here either? Or just that that driver doens't belong on the road?
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| EK9Hatch |
quote:
Originally posted by jzz30tt
So when a LHD car gets nailed after a left hand turn at an intersection then is that first hand proof that LHD don't belong here either? Or just that that driver doens't belong on the road?
:dunno:
Nope, that also proves that RHD cars don't belong here either...;)
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| Cody D |
quote:
Originally posted by EK9Hatch
Nope, that also proves that RHD cars don't belong here either...;)
Haha. :thumbup: |
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| jzz30tt |
Gotcha, Well i don't have to worry i already have mine.
Just out of curiosity what do you think then about europe where there is a lot of both RHD and LHD sharing the road?
Have you ever driven a RHD? |
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| EK9Hatch |
quote:
Originally posted by jzz30tt
Gotcha, Well i don't have to worry i already have mine.
Just out of curiosity what do you think then about europe where there is a lot of both RHD and LHD sharing the road?
Have you ever driven a RHD?
Yea I have driven a RHD car. But they are garbage and don't belong here...imo.
I would rather drive my Benz and my 500HP Civic.
Jamie |
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| jzz30tt |
Haha thanks for the IMO at least.
What do you mean by garbage? My car is in fantastic shape And it's also a very nice car.
In your opinion is having a mixture of RHD and LHD cars in europe is a bad situation? It seems to work fine there.
I'm just curious as to why you dislike them so much, My car is in far better shape than most vehicles here and is more luxurious and better mechanically than most vehicles here. |
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| EK9Hatch |
The main reason why, is because people here do not know how to drive them properly. Plus, our roads are not built for use with RHD cars. But to each his own...
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| jzz30tt |
Very true a lot of the people driving the RHD's have a lot to learn or change.
I look at Europe and the roads are designed in some countries to drive on the right some on the left yet the cars are either or and do seem to work well there.
Anyways, hope the driver was alright. |
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| Godzilla |
| Please don't let this thread turn into another battle over the safety of RHD. we've had more than enough of those. |
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| cally |
quote:
Originally posted by jzz30tt
Very true a lot of the people driving the RHD's have a lot to learn or change.
I look at Europe and the roads are designed in some countries to drive on the right some on the left yet the cars are either or and do seem to work well there.
Anyways, hope the driver was alright.
At least someone concerned about if the person is alright, please not another arguement about RHD and its place in canada.
Have a good easter guys. |
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| drew_goring |
Hope the driver was all right.
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Good riddance...one less on the road.:D |
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| Bad Egg |
Go ahead and continue to bitch about JDM cars, fellows.
Some of you may have legitimate safety concerns, but I doubt that they will hold up under scrutiny. I have run up 40,000 km on my JDM in over a year and a half and have found zero issues with getting around in traffic. Having a 4WD turbo coupe that I could afford as a daily driver was both safe and fun to drive. It flew through the OOP with zero issues mechanically. The mechanic who did the inspection even commented that the car looked like new when it was up on the hoist. My real life experience with my JDM tells me that a lot of those talking about safety are either ignorant of the facts or have a hidden agenda. Sure, there are some junkers that come over, but they should get caught by the inspections if they are done properly. Outside of some well preserved North American market sports cars, the average 15 year old JDM import will easily match or surpass a similar vintage North American model.
You may not like how some people drive them, I get that. I also see people driving Lancers, Civics & Cobalts like complete assholes on a daily basis, so maybe we should ban any car with a spoiler and a fart cannon. Get it into your heads, guys, that when they eliminate this market for JDMs, they are taking away one of your options to drive. If they do it on the pretense of safety, what's to stop them from making additional restrictions to other types of cars, modifications, etc.? You can laugh at the JDM owners now, but when you can't modify your ride in a few years and are forced to drive a Prius, don't expect me to give a rat's ass about your problems. |
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| shorti |
quote:
Originally posted by silent
It's not just that. JDM is normally a poor-mans excuse for a sports car.
Tell that to the guys with the Hilux's and Land crusiers...and the hinos, and the aristos....and cedrics.....and pajeros |
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| Invalid Zero |
| No, because the ones here are rusted to shit or overpriced. |
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| Bad Egg |
| no longer required |
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| mx73someday |
The only thing that is watered down are the North American versions of Japanese cars, see: 240SX.
Even entire lineups like Lexus are watered down: no turbo engines, half the options, overpriced..... |
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| EK9Hatch |
quote:
Originally posted by Bad Egg
My real life experience with my JDM tells me that a lot of those talking about safety are either ignorant of the facts or have a hidden agenda.
Congrats on having a clean JDM car. Maybe you should look around at your fellow JDM car owners, you will quickly see why people thing they are shit. The majority of cars that have landed in Canada are indeed in rough shape.
Getting an inspection on a piece of junk isn't that hard...you just need to know someone;)
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| Blaine B. |
| I can't wait till next year, then I can import some LHD JDM cars. Then what are people going to bitch about? |
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| elrhyso |
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Originally posted by Blaine B.
I can't wait till next year, then I can import some LHD JDM cars. Then what are people going to bitch about?
LOL :lol: they'll just move on to the next thing... |
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| h22civic |
| Geez guys.....I was hoping somebody on the forum would know the car and what happened. So much for hoping the driver might be alright.:( :dunno: |
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| tokes |
Ever think that some people just want the cool factor of having a RHD car? My Dad is looking at bringing in a RHD MKIV Supra after driving a RHD RX7. He thought it was cool, and wanted one.
So my Dad wants to get a RHD MKIV because he can't find or afford a LHD MKIV TT? Please. |
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| Bad Egg |
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| Bad Egg |
quote:
Originally posted by EK9Hatch
Congrats on having a clean JDM car. Maybe you should look around at your fellow JDM car owners, you will quickly see why people thing they are shit. The majority of cars that have landed in Canada are indeed in rough shape.
Getting an inspection on a piece of junk isn't that hard...you just need to know someone;)
Jamie
Sorry, didn't realize you were a customs inspector who has seen the majority of JDM imports.
I have seen some JDMs that were a little rough, and some that were mint, but compared to equivalent vintage North American versions they more than hold their own.
There will always be some crooked inspection places, but typically it's a lot harder to slip a JDM through an OOP than your typical rusted out North American model Civic. Nobody cares about another rusted out Honda, but all of the approved OOP Inspection facilities in Alberta have gotten notices that they will lose their license for passing deficient JDMs. |
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
i have nothing against JDMs except the fact that people are paying so little. The fact that the emission standards are so great in japan that the cars are forced to be sitting stagnant somewhere and can be purchased for cheap, and then our government doesnt tax them appropriately...Not to be selfish, but when the 300zx's came over it devalued the Z's that were already here, and they lost their rareness. It wasnt so much as a rare 300zx any more, it was the rarity of a LHD 300zx
I do respect the JDM cars and enjoy seeing them out on our cruises, i just dont think they should be so undervalued, an increase in price would then cause for the supply to dimish as well creating a little rarity to these older japanese supercars...and not just the LHD ones:thumbup: |
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| Blaine B. |
quote:
Originally posted by 2HIGH~PSI
i have nothing against JDMs except the fact that people are paying so little. The fact that the emission standards are so great in japan that the cars are forced to be sitting stagnant somewhere and can be purchased for cheap, and then our government doesnt tax them appropriately...Not to be selfish, but when the 300zx's came over it devalued the Z's that were already here, and they lost their rareness. It wasnt so much as a rare 300zx any more, it was the rarity of a LHD 300zx
I do respect the JDM cars and enjoy seeing them out on our cruises, i just dont think they should be so undervalued, an increase in price would then cause for the supply to dimish as well creating a little rarity to these older japanese supercars...and not just the LHD ones:thumbup:
I think its more the fact that the JDM haters here willingly paid the fast n furious tax so they could be a baller.
The smarter and more frugal saw an opportunity to lower the overhead costs on their hobby of choice with a small trade off of driving on the opposite side of the car and in most cases taking a gamble on purchasing something site unseen (except for pictures and an auction sheet in Japanese).
Now the global market has undergone a correction and people who bought in at the peak of the bubble are butthurt that their "investment" just depreciated by 30%. Don't hate the players or in this case, the hockey puck, hate the game. |
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| ~30oZ~ |
| I don't see the LHD Twin Turbo 300ZX being devalued? Or even a LHD FD or whatever else in that class of car being devalued either. I'm looking at the auto trader and they are going for well over the $18,000 for a great condition TT.:dunno: all I think this is doing is making my car's value go up.:thumbup: |
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| miiike |
Everyone is going on about how JDM cars are bringing prices down on their equivalent LHD models and this is true...HOWEVER the bigger problem with slumping used car prices in general is importation of cars from the USA....I never see any bitching about this on these forums!...In fact, whenever anyone talks about buying a rarer type car (example. Supra) they are encouraged to goto the states.
People making statements about how all (or most) of the JDM cars are in terrible shape is simply ridiculous. Some people do bring over cars that are in sub-par shape because they lack the money. If they didnt import a car they would most likely, due to higher market prices in Canada, buy a local car in even worse condition. The fact that almost all the cars being brought over have very low KM (for age) cannot be ignored. Less time on the road = Less ware on the car (for the most part).
I have never commented on this but i am so sick of people making unfounded statements. JDM cars ARE driving prices down, but cars coming over the boarder from the USA are a bigger problem. I truly do feel for the people that own the LHD versions of these cars due to their significant decrease in value. However, if you look at the car scene as whole, without available importation from Japan there truly wouldnt be much of a car scene. If you dont believe this, just goto a meet at UC on fridays. If you were to take away all the people with JDM cars the meet wouldnt be much of a meet.
I have imported two cars for myself, and many for friends. It allows people with limited budgets to get into amazing cars. I drove a BMW 850i to school in grade 12...and i payed for it myself! If i was stuck to buy only in the canadian market i probably would have got a pretty dope 95 civic :blink:....i hope you get the point.
i cant believe i wrote that much. :dunno: |
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| silent |
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Originally posted by ~30oZ~
I don't see the LHD Twin Turbo 300ZX being devalued? Or even a LHD FD or whatever else in that class of car being devalued either. I'm looking at the auto trader and they are going for well over the $18,000 for a great condition TT.:dunno: all I think this is doing is making my car's value go up.:thumbup:
Initially the prices took a hit, but I guess everything is recovering for now. |
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| TyPhOOnSliPPerY |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
Yea I have driven a RHD car. But they are garbage and don't belong here...imo.
I would rather drive my Benz and my 500HP Civic.
Jamie
that 500HP does not belong in a FWD car ..... Hip hop it dont stop |
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| silent |
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Originally posted by TyPhOOnSliPPerY
that 500HP does not belong in a FWD car ..... Hip hop it dont stop
According to your logic, it does not belong in a RWD car either. AWD is superior. |
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| TyPhOOnSliPPerY |
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Originally posted by silent
According to your logic, it does not belong in a RWD car either. AWD is superior.
weight transfer to the rear helps a bit on RWD launches but sucks on FWD ... but still better than a 16 second 500hp FWD car with no traction |
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| silent |
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Originally posted by TyPhOOnSliPPerY
weight transfer to the rear might help that a bit on launches ... but still better than a 16 second 500hp FWD car with no traction
FWD has better traction that RWD. Why do you think they went FWD in the first place? |
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| Ilovethepeanut |
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[ FWD has better traction that RWD. Why do you think they went FWD in the first place?
LOL... |
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| jzz30tt |
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Originally posted by silent
FWD has better traction that RWD. Why do you think they went FWD in the first place?
Ummm.... nope. Ever wonder why you never see a high hp FWD? 1000+ whp?
High HP FWD only works in a straight line.
You'd be trying to get the power and steering out of the same set of tires. Not gonna happen in big HP situations. AWD or RWD only.
FWD is easier to drive for non race situations for the average back and forth to work driver. I have a RWD and would never prefer FWD over it.
If you would ask a lot of the SRT4 drivers here if they would prefer their car with RWD the answer would be yes. Relatively high hp, and FWD. Great on the drag strip but on a track?? |
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| silent |
quote:
Originally posted by jzz30tt
Ummm.... nope. Ever wonder why you never see a high hp FWD? 1000+ whp?
High HP FWD only works in a straight line.
You'd be trying to get the power and steering out of the same set of tires. Not gonna happen in big HP situations. AWD or RWD only.
FWD is easier to drive for non race situations for the average back and forth to work driver. I have a RWD and would never prefer FWD over it.
If you would ask a lot of the SRT4 drivers here if they would prefer their car with RWD the answer would be yes. Relatively high hp, and FWD. Great on the drag strip but on a track??
He's talking about traction, not autocross.
http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.c...rch=ualberta.ca |
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| TyPhOOnSliPPerY |
quote:
Originally posted by silent
FWD has better traction that RWD. Why do you think they went FWD in the first place?
cost ? scare tactics ? |
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| jzz30tt |
Might want to take that course yourself there buddy.
"Despite its practical advantages, FWD has several disadvantages when related to vehicle performance. First of all, since vehicle weight shifts to the rear of a car during hard acceleration, FWD cars will always be fighting a losing battle when it comes to straight-line acceleration. "
Look at the physics of what happens to weight transfer in a car under hard acceleration. Add the downward acceleration of the rear end over the wheels due to throttle squat to that and you find that RWD has better traction. That's in a situation similar to the acceleration that you would find in a car with the thrust to weight ratio that the said Civic would have. |
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| silent |
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Originally posted by jzz30tt
Might want to take that course yourself there buddy.
"Despite its practical advantages, FWD has several disadvantages when related to vehicle performance. First of all, since vehicle weight shifts to the rear of a car during hard acceleration, FWD cars will always be fighting a losing battle when it comes to straight-line acceleration. "
Look at the physics of what happens to weight transfer in a car under hard acceleration. Add the downward acceleration of the rear end over the wheels due to throttle squat to that and you find that RWD has better traction. That's in a situation similar to the acceleration that you would find in a car with the thrust to weight ratio that the said Civic would have.
There are 2 different applications then. Sometimes FWD will be better, other times RWD will be better. Ah well, those are for chumps. Nothing but AWD for me. |
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| Invalid Zero |
| No, FWD sucks all the time. AWD is good for winter, and RWD is for the summer.:thumbup: |
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| jzz30tt |
Sounds good to me too.
Low speed where there is not much weight transfer FWD should technically have the advantage due to the weight distribution over the driving axle.
However in the context of a faster acceleration that shifts to the rear and the tables turn.
AWD will of course get the best of both worlds.:thumbup:
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| silent |
quote:
Originally posted by jzz30tt
Sounds good to me too.
Low speed where there is not much weight transfer FWD should technically have the advantage due to the weight distribution over the driving axle.
However in the context of a faster acceleration that shifts to the rear and the tables turn.
AWD will of course get the best of both worlds.:thumbup:
EDIT: And i agree with invalid zero
Meaning: FWD > RWD in winter. RWD > FWD in summer, AWD > both all the time :) |
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| jzz30tt |
Mostly personal preference, I prefer RWD over FWD even in the winter. Both once again have their pros and cons but it's all about what you are used to using and what you like better. I like the mobility of being able to put the back end of my vehicle wherever i want it to be.
I would still say that the cornering thing applies to FWD vs RWD you're still trying to steer and propel with the same set of tires. But mostly personal preference.:thumbup: |
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| silent |
| I think we should have a winter autoX. One person uses FWD, another uses RWD, another uses AWD. Best combined time (3 runs each) takes it all. |
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| jzz30tt |
| I think that there is something like that around too |
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| IDTrav |
| Argue all you want about what is better for what but end of the day AWD or RWD is just more fun to drive than FWD. |
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| EK9Hatch |
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Originally posted by TyPhOOnSliPPerY
weight transfer to the rear might help that a bit on launches ... but still better than a 16 second 500hp FWD car with no traction
Haha 16 sec car eh? Hopefully I can see you at the track so I can hand your ass to you in a Civic. 16 sec car....:lol: If all goes well I'll be low 11's for sure.
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| TyPhOOnSliPPerY |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
Haha 16 sec car eh? Hopefully I can see you at the track so I can hand your ass to you in a Civic. 16 sec car....:lol: If all goes well I'll be low 11's for sure.
Jamie
It is all up to the suspension setup and driver dude .... i dont doubt that you can make that time as it is possible if you can put it all down and make it work for you. You just see way too many FWD turbo cars with too much power and not enough traction and they keep upping the power to go faster but they just stay at the same 1/4 time. I was just trying to prove a point about traction |
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| EK9Hatch |
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Originally posted by TyPhOOnSliPPerY
It is all up to the suspension setup and driver dude .... i dont doubt that you can make that time as it is possible if you can put it all down and make it work for you. You just see way too many FWD turbo cars with too much power and not enough traction and they keep upping the power to go faster but they just stay at the same 1/4 time. I was just trying to prove a point about traction
Ah..I gotcha :thumbup:
I've done a lot of research and spent a good share on suspension mods to handle the power.
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