| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by crazyrx7
I think the reason for that is because there is so much jdm junk out there.
R.K.
That, or perhaps people are confusing "What is your fav" with:
a) what is the best. (insert subjective opinions here)
b) what was the highest rated
c) what is the fastest down the 1/4 mile.
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| ehos |
I've have/had 3 FD's total. One of them on it's original documented 150,000 MILE engine. So, so much for 'unreliable.'
It's all in how you drive it. Besides most normal rebuilds last 80-90K MILES. The average driver puts 20K KM/year. On a fair weather car that will last you a lifetime :) SO so much for that...
Also, my FD is 2649lbs and they're about 2800lbs stock. Why are they still lighter than an ALUMINUM body NSX? There's guys like Lupe who have full street trim/roll cage and weigh in at 2200lbs (@600+ HP).
And, no one has posted a single video/proof of anyone ever beating the RE Amenya FD being beaten in touge. Hell, show me ANY FD being beaten by a non-Skyline and I'll be impressed :)
(Or a Supra in Touge, that would be a fun sight!) |
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| EDISKRAD EHT |
I don't know much about Imports but I know that the R34 Skyline is definately in it's own class seperated from the other cars listed.
It's like throwing a Viper into a comparison with Mustangs, Camaros, and Firebirds.:dunno: |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by EDISKRAD EHT
I don't know much about Imports but I know that the R34 Skyline is definately in it's own class seperated from the other cars listed.
It's like throwing a Viper into a comparison with Mustangs, Camaros, and Firebirds.:dunno:
Really? Check the video I posted above. A stock FD takes a stock R34. The R34 destroys the other cars (NSX, Evo's etc), but it can't catch the FD.
Edit: Here it is...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...42&q=fd+nsx
To be fair here is the RE FD 'losing' ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bMH...ted&search=
If anyone finds more of these 'touge battle' videos, please post them up! |
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| crzyone |
Of the cars listed, the GTR is probibly the fastest around a race track stock. It was the first production car to lap the ring in under 8 minutes btw.
If you start modding the cars, the sky is the limit. Its hard to compare highly modified cars, as those above videos will show. You are pretty much limited only by your wallet.
All the cars listed are cool cars, I would own one of each if I could afford them. |
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| ae1969 |
quote:
Originally posted by crzyone
Of the cars listed, the GTR is probibly the fastest around a race track stock. It was the first production car to lap the ring in under 8 minutes btw..............
That GTR was not stock. One of the reasons it is considered an unofficial time......... |
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| Shady_Pro |
| you can't post videos saying well look at this blah blah blah.... |
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| SkiTLz |
All of these comparissons are worthless unless its Stock VS Stock. As someone said, comparring modded cars your only limited by your wallet. You can make ANYTHING fast with enough time and money.
And while i love Supras and the 2JZ is a great engine. I dont think it was really that impressive in stock form. |
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| Nis240 |
quote:
Originally posted by ae1969
That GTR was not stock. One of the reasons it is considered an unofficial time.........
Proof would be nice. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
quote:
Originally posted by SkiTLz
All of these comparissons are worthless unless its Stock VS Stock. As someone said, comparring modded cars your only limited by your wallet. You can make ANYTHING fast with enough time and money.
And while i love Supras and the 2JZ is a great engine. I dont think it was really that impressive in stock form.
name one single engine that is built from factory better. i know you said stock but to compare properly, not many engines can handle 4-500 WHP without opening it up. the comparison of the FD is a good example. throw 350whp into the stock 13b and see if it outlives the 400whp 2jZ. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
name one single engine that is built from factory better. i know you said stock but to compare properly, not many engines can handle 4-500 WHP without opening it up. the comparison of the FD is a good example. throw 350whp into the stock 13b and see if it outlives the 400whp 2jZ.
4G63. |
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| Godzilla |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
4G63.
see crank,
see crank walk,
walk crank walk |
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| Invalid Zero |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
4G63.
Pffffft! SR20DET FTW:thefinger LOL |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by Godzilla
see crank,
see crank walk,
walk crank walk
:rolleyes:
6 bolts don't walk. ;)
quote:
Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Pffffft! SR20DET FTW:thefinger LOL
Sure, but DSMers never named their turbos to have anything to do with "disco" Louis.
We're much manlier than that! :p |
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| Godzilla |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
:rolleyes:
6 bolts don't walk. ;)
Sure, but DSMers never named their turbos to have anything to do with "disco" Louis.
We're much manlier than that! :p
i love how you refer to yourself as a DSMer. and whats wrong with the disco potatoe, you guys are just jeleious of an amazing turbo.
btw how did your last DSM work out for you??????
just curious. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by Godzilla
btw how did your last DSM work out for you??????
The cheque when I sold it was nice! |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by Godzilla
i love how you refer to yourself as a DSMer.
I've had three of the damn things. My old '91, my '95 and my Galant.
Anyone who puts up with that much crap from their cars will always refer to themselves as a DSMer.
Besides, with the weather as it is, I might buy another one for this winter!!! (No Ryan noooooo!!! DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) |
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| Eclipser |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
I've had three of the damn things. My old '91, my '95 and my Galant.
Anyone who puts up with that much crap from their cars will always refer to themselves as a DSMer.
Besides, with the weather as it is, I might buy another one for this winter!!! (No Ryan noooooo!!! DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Dooo it.
We need more parts car 2g's in the city :drama: |
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| Godzilla |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
I've had three of the damn things. My old '91, my '95 and my Galant.
Anyone who puts up with that much crap from their cars will always refer to themselves as a DSMer.
Besides, with the weather as it is, I might buy another one for this winter!!! (No Ryan noooooo!!! DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
POLICE INTERCEPTOR FTW! |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by Eclipser
Dooo it.
We need more parts car 2g's in the city :drama:
2G?!?
Nah, 1GA! I'll make pop-ups my theme.... :p
Greg, if you still wanna get matching Police Interceptors, I'm totally up for doing it! |
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| red88.n/a.rx |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
name one single engine that is built from factory better. i know you said stock but to compare properly, not many engines can handle 4-500 WHP without opening it up. the comparison of the FD is a good example. throw 350whp into the stock 13b and see if it outlives the 400whp 2jZ.
who ever told you that the rotary would pop at 350whp? lol |
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| Sxn |
quote:
Originally posted by red88.n/a.rx
who ever told you that the rotary would pop at 350whp? lol
will a stock rotary hold 350whp reliably? |
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| crazyrx7 |
quote:
Originally posted by Sxn
will a stock rotary hold 350whp reliably?
Yes. There are plenty of cars that make that kind of power and have survived many tracking events. To make that kind of power all you need is an exhaust, intercooler (intake) 14psi of boost on the stock turbos and a upgraded chip in your ecu.
R.K. |
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| crazyrx7 |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
name one single engine that is built from factory better. i know you said stock but to compare properly, not many engines can handle 4-500 WHP without opening it up. the comparison of the FD is a good example. throw 350whp into the stock 13b and see if it outlives the 400whp 2jZ.
You better get your facts straight before you post this shit. I have seen supra's blow their motors at 450rwhp. Everything can be made bullet proof if you have enough money and a good tune.
Its all about the tuning. If you lean any turbo motor out I guarentee that you will blow it up in time.
R.K. |
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| Sxn |
quote:
Originally posted by crazyrx7
You better get your facts straight before you post this shit. I have seen supra's blow their motors at 450rwhp. Everything can be made bullet proof if you have enough money and a good tune.
Its all about the tuning. If you lean any turbo motor out I guarentee that you will blow it up in time.
R.K.
wasn't he talking stock vs stock?
Supra's can easily handle 450whp stock.
That's why i asked if the FD can handle that on a stock engine. |
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| crzyone |
There are a few 2JZ engines running 1000 crank hp on a stock long block with great supporting mods and a great tune.
I agree that tuning is a key to longevity.
The RB26 (with a good crank to oil pump collar) is another engine that can make 500+ hp reliably on a stock bottom end.
Every one of the cars listed can be 500+ hp monsters, but as the HP goes up, drivability is going to suffer. The Skyline with awd is probably going to be the most streetable car above 500-600hp, assuming all cars are set up with good rims, tires and suspension setups. |
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| ae1969 |
so now the argument is progressing to what platform is the 'most' streetable as an indicator of being crowned the
#1 Japanese Supercar
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| crzyone |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Ok, let's just get it all in one place and see what the 780 public thinks is the king of the 90's Japanese big 5. You can vote, or leave your personal remarks, but please, no flaming!
quote:
Originally posted by ae1969
so now the argument is progressing to what platform is the 'most' streetable as an indicator of being crowned the
#1 Japanese Supercar
:lol:
Where does it say we are voting for the best car? We are voting to which one we like best.
Streetability is a major factor for me. awd cars are much easier to control when you are making more than double stock hp. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| fine put 450 whp into the rotary with nothing other then a good tune.. ill give you 50 bucks if it lasts the season. |
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| ehos |
Sport Compacts FD has logged more than 35,000 miles of HARD use in 2 years. It's perfectly reliable (their words).
But, you have to change a few things from the stock FD. They changed the Rad, Intercooler, some other mods etc. It's pushing 350HP on singles and they have stated hands down there is nothing that can touch the FD.
Vote for what you think is 'best'/the KING. But, please, let's keep the useless posts to the SRT4 thread :) |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
| im not disagreeing with the fact the 13b is a good engine, i just wish you rotary lovers would admit the fact the 2jz is a better engine.. |
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| SkiTLz |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
im not disagreeing with the fact the 13b is a good engine, i just wish you rotary lovers would admit the fact the 2jz is a better engine..
Good luck with that. :thumbup: |
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| crazyrx7 |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
im not disagreeing with the fact the 13b is a good engine, i just wish you rotary lovers would admit the fact the 2jz is a better engine..
I never said the 13b is a better motor. All I'm saying is that is has just as good potential as the other motors to make power but it has to be tuned properly.
I would compare the 20b motor to the 2jz any day. I admit that the 2jz is better than the 13b.
R.K. |
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| red88.n/a.rx |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
fine put 450 whp into the rotary with nothing other then a good tune.. ill give you 50 bucks if it lasts the season.
its funny how you changed it too 450whp not that it matters.
the thing is we could go on comparing what would happen if you modded the cars but the original discussion was about the cars in stock form. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
quote:
Originally posted by red88.n/a.rx
its funny how you changed it too 450whp not that it matters.
the thing is we could go on comparing what would happen if you modded the cars but the original discussion was about the cars in stock form.
i did that because it seemed as though you guys were saying its as bulletproof as the 2jz so i changed it to 450, the same amount i gave the 2jz on stock internals. my original comparison said 350 for the 13b and 450 for the 2jz. basicly saying the 2jz would still outlive it even with more whp. i dont see the 13b even living one season on 450 when ive personally seen more then one 2jz run 3 or 4 seasons at 450 or more with no work.
but anyways, they are both good cars, both are almost untouchable by most cars on the street and one day id hope to own one or the other =D |
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| Driven |
| Define no work. Also depends on how hard the car is driven..gaskets,seals,oil,coolant,brake fluid, tend to be replaced more often if a car is run hard. Just because you've seen people make good numbers out of a 2jz doesn't mean no work was done in 3-4 seasons. |
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| red88.n/a.rx |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
i did that because it seemed as though you guys were saying its as bulletproof as the 2jz so i changed it to 450, the same amount i gave the 2jz on stock internals. my original comparison said 350 for the 13b and 450 for the 2jz. basicly saying the 2jz would still outlive it even with more whp. i dont see the 13b even living one season on 450 when ive personally seen more then one 2jz run 3 or 4 seasons at 450 or more with no work.
but anyways, they are both good cars, both are almost untouchable by most cars on the street and one day id hope to own one or the other =D
its all good, like it was said before its all in the tune it can be done and there are people doing it. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
quote:
Originally posted by Driven
Define no work. Also depends on how hard the car is driven..gaskets,seals,oil,coolant,brake fluid, tend to be replaced more often if a car is run hard. Just because you've seen people make good numbers out of a 2jz doesn't mean no work was done in 3-4 seasons.
it does mean no work has been done.. because i said "with no work" i didnt guess i happen to know there was no work done on these particular supras. by work i meant no building, no aftermarket internal upgrades etc. stock motor, some supporting mods. |
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| ehos |
Yeah, because people really buy FD's and Supra TT's and leave them bone stock....
...You're confusing us with the NSX guys :) |
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| Driven |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
it does mean no work has been done.. because i said "with no work" i didnt guess i happen to know there was no work done on these particular supras. by work i meant no building, no aftermarket internal upgrades etc. stock motor, some supporting mods.
Yea that's what i was thinking.. just making sure. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Yeah, because people really buy FD's and Supra TT's and leave them bone stock....
...You're confusing us with the NSX guys :)
It's only because our parts cost a fortune... ;)
This one could give you guys a run for the money though... Most powerful NSX in the world.
So there you go, you can get retarded power out of ANY engine; it just takes money. |
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| crzyone |
quote:
Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
im not disagreeing with the fact the 13b is a good engine, i just wish you rotary lovers would admit the fact the 2jz is a better engine..
Its not necessarily "better". Sure it can hold more hp in stock form but the 13b is much lighter, smaller and has a lower center of gravity. All of these factors should make it better than a 2JZ in a handling situation. Smaller means you can move it farther back for better weight distribution. Lighter makes the car more willing to turn. |
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| Sxn |
found something interested that would fit this thread
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| 95EagleAWD |
Looks like a magazine Comparo... I'm curious to see the rest of the article.
Here's another from 1990.
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| Driven |
| Haha sure makes the nsx look good ay ryan. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by Driven
Haha sure makes the nsx look good ay ryan.
Sure does :) |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by Driven
Haha sure makes the nsx look good ay ryan.
Because the FD, Supra, Skyline are all absent from the 'review' he posted. :)
The post by SXN is a pretty good comparison. I'm surprised by the Supra! It kicks ass in ever category that matters. But shouldn't it kill at road tracks as well?
I hardly ever see a Supra on a road track or Touge (well I saw one, but it got murdered...) |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
Because the FD, Supra, Skyline are all absent from the 'review' he posted. :)
It was the only multi-car comparo that I could quickly find... |
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| SilverZ24 |
| Yeah, the nsx compares pretty good to a bunch of cars worth less than half of what it is worth. lol |
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| SkiTLz |
quote:
Originally posted by SilverZ24
Yeah, the nsx compares pretty good to a bunch of cars worth less than half of what it is worth. lol
Since when is price a factor in "Is it a supercar?". The price of the car is irrelevant if you ask me.
The price doesn't make it a supercar so it shouldn't affect the judging. |
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| ehos |
The only 'judging' here is your own personal preference + some facts and logical arguments if you want to make them (or not, up to you). We're not judging IF they are supercars, but just which you think is the best of the bunch...
Pick the car you think is best, doesn't matter the reasons. For me, price is always going to be a consideration for 'best'. |
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| SkiTLz |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
The only 'judging' here is your own personal preference + some facts and logical arguments if you want to make them (or not, up to you). We're not judging IF they are supercars, but just which you think is the best of the bunch...
Pick the car you think is best, doesn't matter the reasons. For me, price is always going to be a consideration for 'best'.
I guess it depends where your priorities lay. There different cars.. The NSX is a more "refined" sports car then the rest..
Kinda how i gave up my skyline for the Z. Sure the skyline probably handled better, was faster, but it was noisy, stiff as shit.. I wanted a more "refined" car.
Like the Z06 vs a 550 Marranelo. There both pretty bloody close on paper. The difference is one does what the other can but ALOT more comfortably. |
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| SilverZ24 |
quote:
Originally posted by SkiTLz
Since when is price a factor in "Is it a supercar?". The price of the car is irrelevant if you ask me.
The price doesn't make it a supercar so it shouldn't affect the judging.
I was referring to the article posted that compared it to an MR2, not the poll.... now breath.... |
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| SkiTLz |
quote:
Originally posted by SilverZ24
I was referring to the article posted that compared it to an MR2, not the poll.... now breath....
I don't wanna breathe too much.. Saving air for those hyper ventilating over the Recent Car Chase.. :thumbup: |
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| ehos |
'Refined sportscar' = oxymoron.
If I want a sports car, I want a SPORTS car. Not a pretender, no big fat piggies with cup holders please. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
quote:
Originally posted by ehos
'Refined sportscar' = oxymoron.
If I want a sports car, I want a SPORTS car. Not a pretender, no big fat piggies with cup holders please.
Id take an NSX with a cupholder over one with out ANY day of the week.. i hate driving with a timmys double double between my legs. |
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| Inzane |
| The NSX (91-96 at least, don't know about 97+) and 300ZX do not have cupholders. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
The NSX (91-96 at least, don't know about 97+) and 300ZX do not have cupholders.
91-92 don't... 93 and up do, along with a passenger airbag. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by SkiTLz
The NSX is a more "refined" sports car then the rest..
:dunno:
Don't know where reliable and comfortable gets turned into "refined".
The NSX is the stiffest car I've ever sat in, and hitting decent sized bumps on the stock suspension has been known to crack windshields... refined?
Not really. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
91-92 don't... 93 and up do, along with a passenger airbag.
Ah... thanks for clarifying. |
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| SkiTLz |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
:dunno:
Don't know where reliable and comfortable gets turned into "refined".
The NSX is the stiffest car I've ever sat in, and hitting decent sized bumps on the stock suspension has been known to crack windshields... refined?
Not really.
Im no english major.. I was using the word regined as in.. Attention to detail.. Attention to the little things.. Perhaps the wrong word?
And is yours stock suspension? Cause i went for a rip in the Fast Trax NSX a few years back and i thought it was pretty comfortable. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Mine is stock and it's very comfortable. It's just the setup between the stiff shocks/springs and the super-stiff chassis that has a habit of cracking windshields.
If I get Type-R, though, it's almost a guarantee. |
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| ozzmodan |
| Once again the Hyundai Scoupe gets left out of the supercar group.... |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by ozzmodan
Once again the Hyundai Scoupe gets left out of the supercar group....
Hyundai is Korean not Japanese. :bowdown: |
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| maxC |
| mazda 323 gt-r :rolleyes: |
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| brady |
| I voted FD because theyre probably one of the best looking cars ever made combined with being one of the best to drive. I watched one of those videos and i'm not sure it really shows any difference between any of the cars...they're all fast cars and when the lap times only differ a few seconds between first and last, wouldn't you think that the driver deserves as much credit as the car? |
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| Mavrick |
My choice is most definitely the Mazda RX-7 TT. It was built to be the best bang for the buck car of its time, with painstaking consideration to keep it lightweight, neutral, and fast.
Lightweight it was, at 2700 pounds it is quite a bit lighter than all of the other cars, including the all-aluminum NSX. The RX-7 TT was perfectly neutral, with a 50/50 weight distribution, and the desire to keep it light resulted in having holes drilled in the pedals to help save a couple of extra ounces of weight. The power output of the small Wenkel rotary engine also adds to the unique factor of this car and helps set it apart from all the others.
This car is on my list, and when I find my deal, I will own one. If I do happen to run into problems with the rotary engine, then I just might have to replace it with an LS1, which wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. But that is a different story..... |
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| Supra_devil |
i can't decide between the honda or the apex eater for my vote, both handle well and rev high. I'm not a huge mk4 fan or a big skyline fan. the 300zx is noce, but the engine bay is so tight, working on it must suck. I wonder how much of a pain the nsx is to work on.
All performance aside, the one thats the most enjoyable to drive would be the one i'd buy if i was looking. thats why i still have my 25 year old supra...its fun as hell to drive, definetly not the best starting platform. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
NSX is easy.
You just drop the engine to get at anything. :p |
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| crzyone |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
NSX is easy.
You just drop the engine to get at anything. :p
Same with my fiero, although its a bit tighter with the V-8 now
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| donk_316 |
| I heard Fieros catch on fire? :dunno: :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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| crzyone |
quote:
Originally posted by donk_316
I heard Fieros catch on fire? :dunno: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Spontanious combustion adds to Pontiac excitement :thumbup: |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by Blackcrx
Tommy Kaira ZZII is really the closest thing to a Japaneses super car in my mind but i rather it have a 4 rotor :D lol
http://carsuwillneverafford.tripod.com/zz2.html
Not a production car, and not from the 90s.
Beautiful car though. |
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| Blackcrx |
| I am well aware... Just saying thats what i think is the closest thing to a true super car from japan . I voted fd :thumbup: |
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| Supra_devil |
quote:
Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
NSX is easy.
You just drop the engine to get at anything. :p
thats what i would have guessed....although for a lot of things its the same with supras and skylines, lol. i can pull the engine from a supra in no time at this point, lol. |
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| Cody D |
This is a great poll, all are great cars from a time when Japan was putting out some of the best sports cars in the world.
For me though the order that I would pick them to buy:
1. NSX - Easily the best car on the list. I love NSX's runs 13's stock even at our elevation, handles like a dream, the best looking car to ever come out of Japan, exclusive and reliable. It's the perfect car.
2. Supra - The 2JZ is a beast, single turbo setup would be a lot of fun.
3. 300ZX - There's something about them that I love. I wouldn't be able to resist modifying it.
4. RX-7 - Never really interested me, I don't find them very good looking and the only way I'd own one is if it had an LSx under the hood.
5. Skyline - The Japanese Mustang also never interested me. |
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| mattmac |
| this poll is for sluts. you are all sluts |
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