| 2HIGH~PSI |
As we all know, Posting a thread containing street racing is forbidden, or excessive speeds shown in the "supra doing 340km/h" video...but if it is legal in the country filmed...ie 300km/h in germany on an autobahn, would that also be considered an "illegal" post and would require action from the moderators???
I understand if it is a video of street racing here, but thats due to the fact that the actions on film are filmed here and are illegal here..but if filmed where such actions do not break the law, would that not pose as merely a video for entertainment, such as racing clips from FNF...would those be banned here aswell??
Im not trying to be an ignorant prick on this topic, i am merely curious
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
| lol, no moderators wanna take this on? |
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| Fish_e_o |
if it's legal where and when it was filmed i don't think they can have a problem with it...
i say post it and if they have a problem with it they'll take care of it:thumbup:
plus i want to see a supra go 340km/h:thumbup: |
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
this post is general, but what sparked the question is the thread started by "fartcannon"...the thread is now closed, and fartcannon is on "temp. suspension"
The film was produced in sweden, unknown whether it was done on a closed course or not, unfortunately i didnt get to see it :( i want to see a supra rip at 340km/h as well:thumbup:
but on a serious note, i still am curious as to the conditions of posting this matter(other than stated in the rules, as we have all read them many times) |
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| Fish_e_o |
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Originally posted by 2HIGH~PSI
this post is general, but what sparked the question is the thread started by "fartcannon"...the thread is now closed, and fartcannon is on "temp. suspension"
The film was produced in sweden, unknown whether it was done on a closed course or not, unfortunately i didnt get to see it :( i want to see a supra rip at 340km/h as well:thumbup:
but on a serious note, i still am curious as to the conditions of posting this matter(other than stated in the rules, as we have all read them many times)
that was an HKS promo video or something for some prototype...:confused:
it seems excessive that he was given a suspension...
but i don't think they should have taken down the "how many subarus does it take to catch a cosie?" post because that was just plain cool and clearly not racing and very staged...
but every few months i noticed the mods are a little to power hungry... |
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| NESTLE |
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Originally posted by Fish_e_o
but every few months i noticed the mods are a little to power hungry...
lol, who isnt now a days!! but if feeling powerfull on the interent makes u feel good, goo hard!:lol: |
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
lol i didnt intend on this thread to be mod bashing...i just am curious as to the conduct for posting videos... because anything can be considered illegal depending on where it is filmed or interpreted..
for example, watching a video of someone driving on the left side of the road in japan could be considered illegal content as we drive on the right side here... (i understand this is plain simple and idiotic, but its a simple and striaight forward analogy) |
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| ae1969 |
It is definitely a fine line.
In any business venture one must always contemplate legal issues.
Imagine worse case scenarios.......
1. Someone races from the cops and gloats about the adrenalin rush received from such act. The following week a 16 year old decides to run from the cops mows down a pedestrian and publicly admits that he did not feel its was that big of a deal. What role does a site that states that street racing stories are not tolerated, but embraces such acts of stupidity by allowing the posts to remain on this site......and the individual to remain on the board ?
2. Someone decides to spew pages and pages of misogynistic statements on this site. Various examples of how whores and women don't deserve to live.... and they are nothing but the devil. Numerous individuals support these statements and some wacko on this board decides to kill his girlfriend.
3. Individuals continue to e-thug on this website and moderators and owners of this site allow these individuals to continually threaten each other for the gain of the board? If these individuals decide to meet and harm each other what role does this board have?
The interesting thing is that internet law is in the early stages. The majority of issues have not even dealt in the court system and to advice someone on the level of liability is difficult at best. |
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
completely understandable...which is, in my opinion, the issue with our law all together...
people are not responsible for their actions..because they dont have to be..
Perfect example..lexus, my moms new car '06 SC430. For safety they built in a handsfree, bluetooth telephone, but this option is only available for use while the vehicle is not in motion...wtf..if im not in motion i can use my cell...the whole point of handsfree is to use while im driving...
Lexus claims that if it allows users to interact with the navigation system or the telephone that it will distract them from the road, causing an accident, and they do not want to be responsible.
If im driving down the road and im looking and my nav screen and i rear end someone..im not going to blame/sue lexus...
Your point is made, but at what point do we govern everything we do, in order to look out for others actions/responsibility? |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by 2HIGH~PSI
completely understandable...which is, in my opinion, the issue with our law all together...
people are not responsible for their actions..because they dont have to be..
Perfect example..lexus, my moms new car '06 SC430. For safety they built in a handsfree, bluetooth telephone, but this option is only available for use while the vehicle is not in motion...wtf..if im not in motion i can use my cell...the whole point of handsfree is to use while im driving...
Lexus claims that if it allows users to interact with the navigation system or the telephone that it will distract them from the road, causing an accident, and they do not want to be responsible.
If im driving down the road and im looking and my nav screen and i rear end someone..im not going to blame/sue lexus...
Your point is made, but at what point do we govern everything we do, in order to look out for others actions/responsibility?
Ahhh! You won't sue lexus, but someone else might. Also don't forget in some US states it's illegal to talk on a cell phone and drive whether you're using hands-free or not. Studies have shown an increase in accidents and poor judgement when talking on a cell phone, but found no statistical difference between holding said phone and using a hands-free system.
As a result, Lexus has made it easy to use a hands-free system while the vehicle is NOT in motion, thereby forcing a driver to comply with a system which is legal everywhere in North America or engaging in an act which is publicly perceived as more dangerous even if it isn't.
Having said that, I think it's the "spirit" of the video that should determine whether or not it's allowed here. As an example, if you posted a video of a supra going 340km/hr ANYWHERE, it should be disallowed, because even going 340km/hr on the autobahn will net you a fine. There is no limit on the German portion, I agree....but the "recommended speed" is 130km/hr. The autobahn police will likely ticket a vehicle that is going 340km/hr as driving at an unsafe speed, following too close, undertaking, or fining you for any of the other actions you'd have to engage in to do such a thing on the autobahn. Also, "street racing" is illegal on the autobahn despite having no posted limit.
The "spirit" of any video that involves racing or driving at unsafe speeds on any public road is one of disrespect and unlawful conduct anywhere in the world and should be disallowed. The only videos that should be allowed are videos which show responsible, safe driving. That means if it involves excessive speed and/or racing, it should be on a closed circuit.
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
The "spirit" of any video that involves racing or driving at unsafe speeds on any public road is one of disrespect and unlawful conduct anywhere in the world and should be disallowed. The only videos that should be allowed are videos which show responsible, safe driving. That means if it involves excessive speed and/or racing, it should be on a closed circuit.
That's my personal opinion on the matter.
Speaking for myself only, this is essentially my stance as well.
It is a fine line to determine whether something falls under "promoting street racing" but that is where we as moderators must reserve the right to decide upon our own discretion.
Sometimes it's very obvious, other times it isn't and it is in those situations where we must decide upon what is and is not promoting street racing.
Again, speaking for myself only, regardless of speed, any form of unauthorized motor competition is generally what I will place under street racing.
Whether the competition is between multiple parties or it be for the achievement of top speed, against time, etc.
A lot of my decision is determined by the intent of the video.
If it is a police cruiser camera filming a street racer, the intent is not to promote it or show how fast the cruiser can go.
If it is of a motorcycle weaving in and out of traffic but it doesn't show the speed, I would put it under street racing because though the rider may be going slow, he may have good intentions because he's late for work, if the video doesn't prove it ISN'T street racing, I have to err on the conservative side and deny it.
Because this is an autmotive forum, the default assumption will be "speeding thru traffic, taping it to show his mad skillz." And because of that, it falls under street racing.
Showing a clip of FNF would be left alone by me.
Why? Because it is a movie, filmed by professionals, performed by professionals, done in a controlled environment and it can be proven.
Amateur clips most often do not and can not prove such criteria of mine.
And to answer your question about showing films where an illegal action in Canada is filmed in a country where it is legal, here's an analogy to support my stance:
We do not support rape in Canada. Nor would we support it on this forum.
But if someone showed a video of a rape filmed in a country where it is overlooked and unpunishable, does that mean the users of this forum will start saying, "But it's totally fine in Country X, so why can't we show it here?"
I hope that answers your questions.
Also, the video fartcannon posted of the Supra was filmed in Japan.
They were driving on the left side of the road and there is a large Chinese character painted on the road that goes by.
Nor was it filmed in China because the Chinese drive on the right side of the road, though it may be possible it was filmed in Hong Kong because they also drive on the left and use Chinese.
Swedes and Germans drive on the right side of the road and do not speak, read, or write Chinese as part of their official language.
Therefore the video was of street racing on public roads where it is deemed illegal (as far as I know, there are no roads in Japan, China, nor Hong Kong that allow for unlimited speeds so please do not argue the possibility of it being legal on the roads of these countries).
It was not filmed nor performed on the Autobahn.
If you want to know exactly why fartcannon was suspended, you may PM me about it but it may not be discussed publicly. |
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| Fish_e_o |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
Speaking for myself only, this is essentially my stance as well.
It is a fine line to determine whether something falls under "promoting street racing" but that is where we as moderators must reserve the right to decide upon our own discretion.
Sometimes it's very obvious, other times it isn't and it is in those situations where we must decide upon what is and is not promoting street racing.
Again, speaking for myself only, regardless of speed, any form of unauthorized motor competition is generally what I will place under street racing.
Whether the competition is between multiple parties or it be for the achievement of top speed, against time, etc.
A lot of my decision is determined by the intent of the video.
If it is a police cruiser camera filming a street racer, the intent is not to promote it or show how fast the cruiser can go.
If it is of a motorcycle weaving in and out of traffic but it doesn't show the speed, I would put it under street racing because though the rider may be going slow, he may have good intentions because he's late for work, if the video doesn't prove it ISN'T street racing, I have to err on the conservative side and deny it.
Because this is an autmotive forum, the default assumption will be "speeding thru traffic, taping it to show his mad skillz." And because of that, it falls under street racing.
Showing a clip of FNF would be left alone by me.
Why? Because it is a movie, filmed by professionals, performed by professionals, done in a controlled environment and it can be proven.
Amateur clips most often do not and can not prove such criteria of mine.
And to answer your question about showing films where an illegal action in Canada is filmed in a country where it is legal, here's an analogy to support my stance:
We do not support rape in Canada. Nor would we support it on this forum.
But if someone showed a video of a rape filmed in a country where it is overlooked and unpunishable, does that mean the users of this forum will start saying, "But it's totally fine in Country X, so why can't we show it here?"
I hope that answers your questions.
Also, the video fartcannon posted of the Supra was filmed in Japan.
They were driving on the left side of the road and there is a large Chinese character painted on the road that goes by.
Nor was it filmed in China because the Chinese drive on the right side of the road, though it may be possible it was filmed in Hong Kong because they also drive on the left and use Chinese.
Swedes and Germans drive on the right side of the road and do not speak, read, or write Chinese as part of their official language.
Therefore the video was of street racing on public roads where it is deemed illegal (as far as I know, there are no roads in Japan, China, nor Hong Kong that allow for unlimited speeds so please do not argue the possibility of it being legal on the roads of these countries).
It was not filmed nor performed on the Autobahn.
If you want to know exactly why fartcannon was suspended, you may PM me about it but it may not be discussed publicly.
i'm satisfied with that answer:beer: :thumbup: |
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| 2HIGH~PSI |
quote:
Originally posted by REFLUX
Speaking for myself only, this is essentially my stance as well.
It is a fine line to determine whether something falls under "promoting street racing" but that is where we as moderators must reserve the right to decide upon our own discretion.
Sometimes it's very obvious, other times it isn't and it is in those situations where we must decide upon what is and is not promoting street racing.
Again, speaking for myself only, regardless of speed, any form of unauthorized motor competition is generally what I will place under street racing.
Whether the competition is between multiple parties or it be for the achievement of top speed, against time, etc.
A lot of my decision is determined by the intent of the video.
If it is a police cruiser camera filming a street racer, the intent is not to promote it or show how fast the cruiser can go.
If it is of a motorcycle weaving in and out of traffic but it doesn't show the speed, I would put it under street racing because though the rider may be going slow, he may have good intentions because he's late for work, if the video doesn't prove it ISN'T street racing, I have to err on the conservative side and deny it.
Because this is an autmotive forum, the default assumption will be "speeding thru traffic, taping it to show his mad skillz." And because of that, it falls under street racing.
Showing a clip of FNF would be left alone by me.
Why? Because it is a movie, filmed by professionals, performed by professionals, done in a controlled environment and it can be proven.
Amateur clips most often do not and can not prove such criteria of mine.
And to answer your question about showing films where an illegal action in Canada is filmed in a country where it is legal, here's an analogy to support my stance:
We do not support rape in Canada. Nor would we support it on this forum.
But if someone showed a video of a rape filmed in a country where it is overlooked and unpunishable, does that mean the users of this forum will start saying, "But it's totally fine in Country X, so why can't we show it here?"
I hope that answers your questions.
Also, the video fartcannon posted of the Supra was filmed in Japan.
They were driving on the left side of the road and there is a large Chinese character painted on the road that goes by.
Nor was it filmed in China because the Chinese drive on the right side of the road, though it may be possible it was filmed in Hong Kong because they also drive on the left and use Chinese.
Swedes and Germans drive on the right side of the road and do not speak, read, or write Chinese as part of their official language.
Therefore the video was of street racing on public roads where it is deemed illegal (as far as I know, there are no roads in Japan, China, nor Hong Kong that allow for unlimited speeds so please do not argue the possibility of it being legal on the roads of these countries).
It was not filmed nor performed on the Autobahn.
If you want to know exactly why fartcannon was suspended, you may PM me about it but it may not be discussed publicly.
this is all i was curious about, i just was wondering about different aspects of the situation and this answered it, thanks terry:thumbup:
also i wasnt mixing all those analogies together to relate directly to the 340km/h video, for i did not watch it myself, they were simply individual analogies to relate to different aspects of posting and to relay my question more clearly. |
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