| bhup09 |
| so i gotta photo radar ticket today. and it says it i was goin 121 in a 50 zone. i kno that is dumb and stupid but the thing is i have these retarded floor mats which get my accelerator stuck some times. now it says it needs a mandatory court appearance. so what are my options? |
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| ptemomo |
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Originally posted by bhup09
so i gotta photo radar ticket today. and it says it i was goin 121 in a 50 zone. i kno that is dumb and stupid but the thing is i have these retarded floor mats which get my accelerator stuck some times. now it says it needs a mandatory court appearance. so what are my options?
Hahahahaha. I think you totally should use the floor mats excuse in front of the judge. It should work great and he probaly let you go free....:rolleyes:
Hope you loose your license for a very long time....... |
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| bhup09 |
| then what should i do? is my licence gone for sure? i dont care aboout a fine i jusst need teh car to get to and from work. |
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| Fazda |
| just say u weren't driving. they can't prove u did. say u lent your car out to a couple of different people and u dont know who was driving pay the big ticket and dont lose your license.. its a very simple argument. prove it was me driving! well they can't so u can't lose your license. do not and i mean do not use the floor mat excuse! |
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| bhup09 |
| my mom is the registered owener of the car and i was driving it..so i can say that sum1 else was driving stilll? |
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| Fazda |
| yes u can. say one of your friends took it and had to pick something up.. its simple dude.. u will still get a ticket but u wont lose your license.. trust me.. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| that is very true. I had a friend do this and since there is no proof it was you, you should just get away with a ticket. On top of that your mom is the one who is going to get a court date becasue its her car. How did the courts know to send you the court date when its not even your car. You should only be a secondary driver, your mom should be the primary. |
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| Fazda |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
that is very true. I had a friend do this and since there is no proof it was you, you should just get away with a ticket. On top of that your mom is the one who is going to get a court date becasue its her car. How did the courts know to send you the court date when its not even your car. You should only be a secondary driver, your mom should be the primary.
definetly, you will get away no problem. just a ticket. a big one lol.. dont be stupid anymore and get huge speeding tickets. not that i indorse lying. but u will get away with it! |
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| dtjohnst |
Except..................................
His mom would have to do this. You can't show up as the non-registered owner and say it wasn't you driving. They'll ask who the registered owner is and fine them instead.
As for the floor mat, seriously dude. Are you rear ending people? Running red lights and stop signs? If you can manage to slow down when you HAVE to, I'm sure you can manage to keep your speed lower than 120km/hr in a 50 zone.
Keep up with that shit and you'll end up killing some pedestrian. |
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| Xtra_X |
Floor mat, ha good one OJ.
Suck it up and accept the consequences of you actions. |
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| Fazda |
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Originally posted by Xtra_X
Floor mat, ha good one OJ.
Suck it up and accept the consequences of you actions.
never accept the consequences for your actions! lie my friend lie like u have never lied before!!! |
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| ehos |
DO NOT LIE IN COURT!
The judge is going to ask you questions, and I'm sure he's seen it all, heard it all. If he thinks you're lying to him, he is not going to be kind at all. Worst case he can call Contempt of Court (which it is) and ask for all sorts of bad things to happen.
You think you're in trouble now, but if you get flustered (and you will) and you start making shit up on the spot = more trouble for you.
I can't believe you guys are telling him such bad advice! (Well, except or the guy who said accept the consequences...).
Photo Radar is supposed to be no demerits, so I don't know why you're worried. TALK TO YOUR MOM! She is responsible for that ticket. Who cares what the court says, your mom can legally kill you (really, you didn't know that was a law?)
And DON'T FUCKING SPEED! 120 in a 50 zone!! :( You can't stop, or turn or do anything at that speed. You're not that good of a driver, trust me. And your mommy wagon can't handle you + those speeds + our shitty roads. Please. |
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| bhup09 |
| hey the mat being too big was worth a try...lol..k anyways i talked to the court ppl and they said my mom gotta come pick up the ticket but i can appear at court..so then ill just have to come up with something...wats the max fines or max suspention of licence with this shit....yea i think i learnt my lesson this time no speeding in stupid places like that...:geezuz: ....and do those fightthatticket.com people do anythinhg they have ads in the sun i was just wondering if any1 has used them before..are they worth the time or is it a waste of money |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by bhup09
hey the mat being too big was worth a try...lol..k anyways i talked to the court ppl and they said my mom gotta come pick up the ticket but i can appear at court..so then ill just have to come up with something...wats the max fines or max suspention of licence with this shit....yea i think i learnt my lesson this time no speeding in stupid places like that...:geezuz: ....and do those fightthatticket.com people do anythinhg they have ads in the sun i was just wondering if any1 has used them before..are they worth the time or is it a waste of money
Why don't you accept responsibility for you actions? It's the right thing to do in our civilized society.
Or do you prefer to just weasel your way out of everything and continue to act immature? |
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| ehos |
It will be one month. Unless you lie, then the Judge can say 6months (it's happened, read up on some threads). You won't lose any demerits, so be happy.
Just take it like a man, say you'll pay the fine in installments (I think it will be at $700?) and bring your license.
Then when you're taking the bus for that month, say to yourself, "I will never speed again." (Oh yeah, if you're caught driving with a suspended license, you get to go back to court and you'll lose your lic. for a bit longer). |
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| bhup09 |
| hmm take it like a man seems lke the best option right now...sum1 at work told me it could be upto $2500 tho if i take it like a man.. |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by bhup09
hmm take it like a man seems lke the best option right now...sum1 at work told me it could be upto $2500 tho if i take it like a man..
then thats the price of speeding. according to the people that trained me on my first aid course, even ambulances cant speed regardless of the emergency, and i dont think you had a ruptured spleen or anything to need to go that fast anyways. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by newaccorddriver
then thats the price of speeding. according to the people that trained me on my first aid course, even ambulances cant speed regardless of the emergency, and i dont think you had a ruptured spleen or anything to need to go that fast anyways.
:S
An ambulance can certainly speed when operating with lights and siren. But they must do so with caution and within reason. Which generally means no more than 20 or 30km over the limit. Same goes for fire trucks and cops. 20-30km/hr over the limit is about the most you can safely get away with it. Sometimes you push it, maybe 40 or 50 over, but that's rare. 80 in a 50 zone is pretty dangerous, even if you have flashing lights and a siren, let alone going quicker than that. And you can't help anyone if you're upside down. |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by bhup09
so i gotta photo radar ticket today. and it says it i was goin 121 in a 50 zone. i kno that is dumb and stupid but the thing is i have these retarded floor mats which get my accelerator stuck some times. now it says it needs a mandatory court appearance. so what are my options?
Hi bhup09.
I must admit that is funny. Only cause a few times when I have driven in the past, the accelerator pedal had become wedged by the floor mats. There were a few times in my moms 96 Corolla DX. Factory floormats, did not grip to the carpet well. The other times were in my Supra. Again, factory floor mats and they did not grip. Some how when I enter and exit my vehicle, my floor mats tend to move forward. So yes, it can happen. :D
121 in a 50 will be a few dollars, but at least you are not getting demerits. I would show up with your mom, plead your case as it is, tell the CP or Judge that you wish you had a better story, but the truth is.... and call it a day. Put on a nice suit, fresh pressed shirt, tie, polished shoes. Looking sharp and professional will take you alot further than a G_Unit look will.
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| bhup09 |
| aahha yea thats what i was thinking..no gunit..just some nice clothes and just tell em straight up what happend. |
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| quadraphonic |
Crying might work.. nothing's more pitiful than a crying man.
Another question.. have you learned anything from this?? |
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| bhup09 |
| i shall never speed 70...jj...ya it really makes u think...i will have to drive safer |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by quadraphonic
Crying might work.. nothing's more pitiful than a crying man.
Another question.. have you learned anything from this??
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| Prudz_lude |
whats really funny is when i worked at toyota i was driving down a back alley and the floor mat DID get STUCK behind the pedal. It kept accelerating and i honestly thought i was going to die. I ended up blowing across 2 roads at the end of the alley ways and continued to fly down the alley at over 140km an hour! i was so fucking scared because the pedals were doing shit all and the next block was 99st full of busy cars during rush hour traffic. Luckily i pulled the floor mat back and then followed it up by going outside and shitting my pants a few times.
Honestly i think you were speeding, but seriously guys, floor mats can get tangled up.:lol: |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
whats really funny is when i worked at toyota i was driving down a back alley and the floor mat DID get STUCK behind the pedal. It kept accelerating and i honestly thought i was going to die. I ended up blowing across 2 roads at the end of the alley ways and continued to fly down the alley at over 140km an hour! i was so fucking scared because the pedals were doing shit all and the next block was 99st full of busy cars during rush hour traffic. Luckily i pulled the floor mat back and then followed it up by going outside and shitting my pants a few times.
Honestly i think you were speeding, but seriously guys, floor mats can get tangled up.:lol:
But if it happens regularly, as he implies it does, he should be able to slow down before he hits 120 in a 50 zone. Like I said, he hasn't rear ended anyone or blown through stop signs, so the problem seems to be isolated to when he doesn't care if he slows down or not...which is less a problem with the carpet/pedals and more a problem with speed. |
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| quadraphonic |
| A lot of us take the high road, but I've done dumb things in the car, and I still do from time to time. Maybe it's not as dangerous as speeding, but it WAS a transition area. Shoulda, coulda, wouldas, aside it's a shitty deal. I tell myself everyday I need to be a better driver, most of the time I listen, but I imaging, like myself, we're all guilty sometimes. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by quadraphonic
A lot of us take the high road, but I've done dumb things in the car, and I still do from time to time. Maybe it's not as dangerous as speeding, but it WAS a transition area. Shoulda, coulda, wouldas, aside it's a shitty deal. I tell myself everyday I need to be a better driver, most of the time I listen, but I imaging, like myself, we're all guilty sometimes.
I don't drive 120 in a 50 zone and blame it on my carpet.... :S
A lot of people here don't have a problem with imperfection, we're all humans afterall. People here get frustrated when these "humans" do things that seem blatant and then try and find a way out of it. Now while the OP may or may not fit into that category, it's the boy who cried wolf. Enough douchebags come here to try and get out of a ticket they rightfully deserve because they feel they're such a good driver they should be exempt that people's patience wears thin.
And none of them come right out and say it that way, everyone has a sad sob story on how it wasn't their fault, or the cop was an asshole, or they weren't doing what they're accused of doing. |
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| Xtra_X |
| for future reference by turning you ignition off you will solve this evil floor mat issue. better to stop than to go X2 the speed limit to fix the issue. |
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| mikeylikesit |
if you plead guilty or even tell them that you were driving then i believe they can nail you with demerits if they dont take your licence away.
as it was said above, you can be charged as high as $2000 plus a $300 victim surcharge or w/e its called.
best way to me would go in and dont give them any information. ask them if they can prove who was driving. if they cant then its just money ticket to the registered owner of the vehicle. unless some of that was changed when they changed the law on giving out r/o tickets. |
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| Prudz_lude |
i agree with the above. Honestly, plead not guilty and make the courts fight with you. Seems like its the wrong thing to do, but hell, insurance will rape you ten times over in the long run and ruin your life. I would pay 2g's any day if i did something stupid like that over paying 3-4g's more a year for the next 5 years.
I've had two friends that have done very similar stuff and both could have got out of it with a huge fine. One of them pleaded guilty and the courts raped him. He did not drive for 3 years after because insurance was to much. He is finally driving and paying 700 a month for basic and theft.
The other friend told the courts to prove it was him. They could not, and it made the judge extremely upset. He got a 2000 dollar fine. He paid it over 3 months. He got to continue driving for the past few years and his insurance just dropped.
Its your call. I would piss the courts the fuck off and take the fine. Of course, talk to your mom first about if she is willing to do this. If she isn't than you could get in some shit if she tells the courts. |
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| Invalid Zero |
| Fuck you ads! |
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| Invalid Zero |
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Originally posted by Xtra_X
for future reference by turning you ignition off you will solve this evil floor mat issue. better to stop than to go X2 the speed limit to fix the issue.
Exactly. I can't believe some people don't think about doing this as soon as it happens. I had it happen once to me in a Caprice like 10 years ago. Turn off the engine and fix the problem. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
i agree with the above. Honestly, plead not guilty and make the courts fight with you. Seems like its the wrong thing to do, but hell, insurance will rape you ten times over in the long run and ruin your life. I would pay 2g's any day if i did something stupid like that over paying 3-4g's more a year for the next 5 years.
I've had two friends that have done very similar stuff and both could have got out of it with a huge fine. One of them pleaded guilty and the courts raped him. He did not drive for 3 years after because insurance was to much. He is finally driving and paying 700 a month for basic and theft.
The other friend told the courts to prove it was him. They could not, and it made the judge extremely upset. He got a 2000 dollar fine. He paid it over 3 months. He got to continue driving for the past few years and his insurance just dropped.
Its your call. I would piss the courts the fuck off and take the fine. Of course, talk to your mom first about if she is willing to do this. If she isn't than you could get in some shit if she tells the courts.
Lessons without consequence don't tend to be learned very well. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| that is true. My friend was lucky enough to have my other friend as an example of what can happen. Neither of them drive like idiots anymore. However, i know that my friend that got away with the fine would probably have still been driving like an idiot if he didn't watch my other friend get so fucked. |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Exactly. I can't believe some people don't think about doing this as soon as it happens. I had it happen once to me in a Caprice like 10 years ago. Turn off the engine and fix the problem.
Can't that destroy your ignition though and damage your engine? i swear it can. It even clearly states in bold letters to never do this while the engine is running. My engine is an interferrence engine so this is why i am asking. Its not going to bend my valves up or anything? |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
Can't that destroy your ignition though and damage your engine? i swear it can. It even clearly states in bold letters to never do this while the engine is running. My engine is an interferrence engine so this is why i am asking. Its not going to bend my valves up or anything?
Fuel cut-off will break your engine? :S Better hope you never run out of gas or your fuel pump never breaks. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| really? I don't think so. I have ran out of gas and my engine never blew up. I had a compression test done before i parked it over a year ago and it was great. Are you sure? Im asking all this on honda-tech to make sure :P Your scaring me dtjohnst |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
Can't that destroy your ignition though and damage your engine? i swear it can. It even clearly states in bold letters to never do this while the engine is running. My engine is an interferrence engine so this is why i am asking. Its not going to bend my valves up or anything?
everything is belt or chain driven, so its not possible to bend the valves by turning the ignition key off. and how does turning your car off at any given speed differ from turning it off while its idling? if your moving at 200mph and you decided to shut down the engine, regardless of the engine being off, its still turning even if its automatic, so your brakes are going to be working anyways.
where does it state in bold letters not to turn the engine off while its running? id love to turn this guys car off while its running |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
really? I don't think so. I have ran out of gas and my engine never blew up. I had a compression test done before i parked it over a year ago and it was great. Are you sure? Im asking all this on honda-tech to make sure :P Your scaring me dtjohnst
honda-tech is full of retards. prepare the flame suit... |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
really? I don't think so. I have ran out of gas and my engine never blew up. I had a compression test done before i parked it over a year ago and it was great. Are you sure? Im asking all this on honda-tech to make sure :P Your scaring me dtjohnst
Scaring you how? My point is to show how retarded the idea that turning your ignition off will break your engine is. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| hmmmm well this was one of those things i had no clue about. honda-tech is full of idiots but its also full of very knowledgable people. It seems its completely split. The people in between tend to just not post, and if they do, they don't post that much. |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
hmmmm well this was one of those things i had no clue about. honda-tech is full of idiots but its also full of very knowledgable people. It seems its completely split. The people in between tend to just not post, and if they do, they don't post that much.
honda-tech is no different then every other forum. they just have the tendency insult the new guys more. |
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| Prudz_lude |
ok well, i just read my thread about the fuel cut or running out of fuel and dtjohnst apparently has no clue about what happens when an h22 runs out of gas. Apparently nothing happens. This coming from a guy who has built several motors on honda-tech.
I trust honda-tech more because i look past alot of the insults. honda-tech seems to have detailed answers with proof to back up results. 780 seems to have good answers too but rarely proof. Normally the odd link.
Honda-tech flames new guys full of stupid questions but so does 780
Of course the flaming just began in that same forum because what dtjohnst said is apparently that noob... Not bashing you dtjohnst but apparently you are wrong. |
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| Xtra_X |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
ok well, i just read my thread about the fuel cut or running out of fuel and dtjohnst apparently has no clue about what happens when an h22 runs out of gas. Apparently nothing happens. This coming from a guy who has built several motors on honda-tech.
I trust honda-tech more because i look past alot of the insults. honda-tech seems to have detailed answers with proof to back up results. 780 seems to have good answers too but rarely proof. Normally the odd link.
Honda-tech flames new guys full of stupid questions but so does 780
Of course the flaming just began in that same forum because what dtjohnst said is apparently that noob... Not bashing you dtjohnst but apparently you are wrong.
Sorry buddy you are the one who is "that noob". His sarcasim apprently doesn't translate well via the internet.
"Fuel cut-off will break your engine?:S Better hope you never run out of gas or your fuel pump never breaks."
you missed the little squiggley face eh? That means he thinks your full of shit!:D |
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| dtjohnst |
My post after that should've been a hint too.
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Scaring you how? My point is to show how retarded the idea that turning your ignition off will break your engine is.
But tell me, how badly did you get flamed and made fun of for asking if running out of gas would break your engine? |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Exactly. I can't believe some people don't think about doing this as soon as it happens. I had it happen once to me in a Caprice like 10 years ago. Turn off the engine and fix the problem.
Hi InvalidZero,
I would prefer to just reach down and pull out my floor mat, to dislodge my accelerator pedal. Why would I want to cut power to some of my accessories such as PS, breaks, etc.
For a NA engine shutting it off while your accelerator is jamed may not hurt it. But for a turbo charged engine, if you are boosting at 15 PSI and I turn off the car it will do some nice damage to my turbo charger.
1) I would immediately cut the oil supply. Cutting the oil supply from a turbine that is spinning at 20,000 + rpms is not smart. Especially when the turbo needs the oil for lubrication.
2) I stop the coolant from flowing and cooling my turbo. Why would I want to cut the oil supply and cooling functions from a Turbo under boost? You turn off the car, you loose this and you start to bake your turbo. If you hit fuel cut, your engine is still turning, you loose power for a second or two, but everything is still moving, your turbo is still being lubricated and cooled.
Turning off the car sounds like a bright idea! :rolleyes: Where do I sign up?
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| ehos |
You can't shut off the engine.
Because your powersteering/powerbrakes will be off too. Good luck trying to steer/brake with your ignition off and going 140KM/hr. |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by ehos
You can't shut off the engine.
Because your powersteering/powerbrakes will be off too. Good luck trying to steer/brake with your ignition off and going 140KM/hr.
your power steering will eventually die off when your engine stops turning, but when your going at 140km/h, you dont need power steering. since it takes some time for your engine to stop turning, you stlil have vacuum going to the brake booster when your slowing down, assuming you dont put it in neutral or anything. |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
For a NA engine shutting it off while your accelerator is jamed may not hurt it. But for a turbo charged engine, if you are boosting at 15 PSI and I turn off the car it will do some nice damage to my turbo charger.
1) I would immediately cut the oil supply. Cutting the oil supply from a turbine that is spinning at 20,000 + rpms is not smart. Especially when the turbo needs the oil for lubrication.
2) I stop the coolant from flowing and cooling my turbo. Why would I want to cut the oil supply and cooling functions from a Turbo under boost? You turn off the car, you loose this and you start to bake your turbo. If you hit fuel cut, your engine is still turning, you loose power for a second or two, but everything is still moving, your turbo is still being lubricated and cooled.
as long as your car is still in gear while your coasting to a stop or something, your engine still revs, so it doesnt stop the turbo from getting any oil or coolant flow.
i should also add that its better to accidently kill a turbo then to hit something in front of you.
think of it like engine braking, same concept atleast |
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| dtjohnst |
That's assuming you know it's the floor mat. It happened to me once, and I turned off the ignition, but I didn't know what was causing it.
If it was so habitual that I knew what it was, I wouldn't be worried about my boost, I'd be worried about buying a new floor mat, and would've done so long before I ended up going 120 in a 50 zone. |
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| Invalid Zero |
quote:
Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Hi InvalidZero,
I would prefer to just reach down and pull out my floor mat, to dislodge my accelerator pedal. Why would I want to cut power to some of my accessories such as PS, breaks, etc.
For a NA engine shutting it off while your accelerator is jamed may not hurt it. But for a turbo charged engine, if you are boosting at 15 PSI and I turn off the car it will do some nice damage to my turbo charger.
1) I would immediately cut the oil supply. Cutting the oil supply from a turbine that is spinning at 20,000 + rpms is not smart. Especially when the turbo needs the oil for lubrication.
2) I stop the coolant from flowing and cooling my turbo. Why would I want to cut the oil supply and cooling functions from a Turbo under boost? You turn off the car, you loose this and you start to bake your turbo. If you hit fuel cut, your engine is still turning, you loose power for a second or two, but everything is still moving, your turbo is still being lubricated and cooled.
Turning off the car sounds like a bright idea! :rolleyes: Where do I sign up?
Mike
Hahahaha! You seriously think turning your engine off ONCE under boost is going to coke your water cooled turbo? :lol: You must be the kind of guy who thinks he needs to turbo time the car after a normal drive to the mall.
And you think messing around with a floor mat at full boost is a better idea then shutting the engine down? Wow. You're the last person I thought would ever say something like this. -10 points for you.
Edit: Also your turbo spins faster than 20,000 RPM. At 16psi mine is spinning at 120,000 RPM. |
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| GOT BOOST |
quote:
Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Hahahaha! You seriously think turning your engine off ONCE under boost is going to coke your water cooled turbo? :lol: You must be the kind of guy who thinks he needs to turbo time the car after a normal drive to the mall.
And you think messing around with a floor mat at full boost is a better idea then shutting the engine down? Wow. You're the last person I thought would ever say something like this. -10 points for you.
Edit: Also your turbo spins faster than 20,000 RPM. At 16psi mine is spinning at 120,000 RPM.
Hi Luis,
No, I do not think that turning off my car ONCE under boost is going to cook my turbo.
As for using the turbo timer after a "normal trip" to the mall. It all depends on A) How far away this mall is, B) The type of road travelled and C) What Normal Driving is for you.
As for the floor mat, I am not sure about you, but I do not need to take my eyes off the road to access and locate other stuff in my car. Ie) Floor mats. I can drive quite normally and adjust my floormats at the same time. If you need to look around and take your eyes off the road to "adjust" anything, I strongly suggest you become familiar with your car before you drive next time.
Nice comment on the turbo RPM, however if you re-read my post it says 20,000 + RPM's. I know a turbo spins quite a bit faster than that under boost.
Another viable option is to use the little pedal to the left of the gas. It is called the brake pedal. Last time I checked, it is an excellent way to slow one down.
Here is some info, the few times my accelerator pedal was jamed under the floor mat, I was under full acceleration out of a set of lights. Roads infront of me were clear, so the chance of me hitting someone infront was very slim.
It is easy to make assumptions with out knowing the full details behind anything.
- 10 points for me? WTF? You need to stop playing Need For Speed. I did not realize posts got people respect points. :lol:
Dtjhohnst,
Depending on the car, it can be very easy to hit 120 in a short time period. Especially if it takes a driver a few seconds to realize what is going on. |
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| Flip |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Fuel cut-off will break your engine? :S Better hope you never run out of gas or your fuel pump never breaks.
You don't think pulling fuel on a hot engine under load can do any damage? There's a reason as to why people pull the spark before fuel when tuning things like rev limiters and launch controls. |
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| Invalid Zero |
Hey GOT BOOST, sorry if I came off a little strong this morning.
I just think that it would be crazy to mess around with a stuck floor mat at full boost. Why risk your life and others to preserve the life of a $500-1500 turbo? Not worth it in my book. Also reaching around the car when driving normally is easy, doing so at full boost would be asking for trouble. See what I'm getting at? What's worth more? A persons life, or the life of your turbo? From a safety standpoint, it just makes sense.
Also, it's Louis. ;) |
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| first thing is they will want to meet u in person and issue the ticket. i just had court this morning for a photo radar 131 in a 60 zone. prosecuter asked for a fine of $2000. they take in account of location/ time of day. since i plead guilty "early" they reduced it to 1500. so 131 in a 60 is 1500. i saw some other guy there went 115 in a 50 and he got dinged for $2000. and they give you a year to pay it. you dont just have to pay it apparently u can bargin for comunity service or w/e. since it is photo radar U CANNOT loose your licence or get an insurance increase and you cant get demarits. just a fine. |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Hey GOT BOOST, sorry if I came off a little strong this morning.
I just think that it would be crazy to mess around with a stuck floor mat at full boost. Why risk your life and others to preserve the life of a $500-1500 turbo? Not worth it in my book. Also reaching around the car when driving normally is easy, doing so at full boost would be asking for trouble. See what I'm getting at? What's worth more? A persons life, or the life of your turbo? From a safety standpoint, it just makes sense.
Also, it's Louis. ;)
Hey Louis,
No worries! :D
I forgot about this thread untill someone replied to it. :lol:
Have a good one!
Mike |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Flip
You don't think pulling fuel on a hot engine under load can do any damage? There's a reason as to why people pull the spark before fuel when tuning things like rev limiters and launch controls.
I don't think it will cause damage, no. On an aircraft engine (yeah yeah, this isn't a plane - still a 4-stroke internal combustion engine) there's 2 ways to shut them off usually: mags (spark) or fuel.
Every single aircraft I've flown in it's been fuel cutoff to shut down the engine, not turn off the mags. If cutting spark is so much better, why do they recommend cutting fuel instead on those engines? I mean, it's aviation. They're overly cautious about things breaking to the point things get routine overhauls whether they're working right or not.
Another example.....my rev limiter doesn't stop spark, it cuts off the fuel. If it's so much safer to cut spark on an engine under load, why does the factory design them to cut fuel?
I'm not saying it won't ever do any damage, but if it does then there's something wrong with your car. And I still maintain if this happens on a regular basis then it's time to buy new floor mats. |
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| i'm just wondering how you got to 120 without reacting by slowing down. i'm pretty sure if i was in a 50 zone and my car started to keep going faster and faster and faster i would but the shift lever in neutral and hit the brakes. i don't know about all of you but that's just what i would do. |
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| Flip |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
I don't think it will cause damage, no. On an aircraft engine (yeah yeah, this isn't a plane - still a 4-stroke internal combustion engine) there's 2 ways to shut them off usually: mags (spark) or fuel.
Every single aircraft I've flown in it's been fuel cutoff to shut down the engine, not turn off the mags. If cutting spark is so much better, why do they recommend cutting fuel instead on those engines? I mean, it's aviation. They're overly cautious about things breaking to the point things get routine overhauls whether they're working right or not.
Another example.....my rev limiter doesn't stop spark, it cuts off the fuel. If it's so much safer to cut spark on an engine under load, why does the factory design them to cut fuel?
I'm not saying it won't ever do any damage, but if it does then there's something wrong with your car. And I still maintain if this happens on a regular basis then it's time to buy new floor mats.
First, let me say I'm not trying to start a fight with you. Your posts are very long, and even if we do end up arguing I'll probably lose interest. But have you seen the maps and options in your factory ECU. Fuel cut is a term that tooners have given to a certain situation that arises in a car's powerband/tune.
As for the aviation reference, I'm not into that kind of thing, but planes run high octane fuel which as we know reduces and eliminates detonation in most cases. Thereby eliminating the possible danger of pulling fuel, and leaning the mixture. In theory stopping the flow of fuel should work, but in the real world engines don't burn all the fuel in the combustion chamber. Whereas if you pull spark first the mixture will be richer and cool the combustion chamber before shutting down.
I realize this can and probably will start an off-topic debate in the law enforcement thread, so I'll keep my replies to a minimum. And I'm very tired right now, if something doesn't make sense I'll edit tomorrow. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Flip
First, let me say I'm not trying to start a fight with you. Your posts are very long, and even if we do end up arguing I'll probably lose interest. But have you seen the maps and options in your factory ECU. Fuel cut is a term that tooners have given to a certain situation that arises in a car's powerband/tune.
As for the aviation reference, I'm not into that kind of thing, but planes run high octane fuel which as we know reduces and eliminates detonation in most cases. Thereby eliminating the possible danger of pulling fuel, and leaning the mixture. In theory stopping the flow of fuel should work, but in the real world engines don't burn all the fuel in the combustion chamber. Whereas if you pull spark first the mixture will be richer and cool the combustion chamber before shutting down.
I realize this can and probably will start an off-topic debate in the law enforcement thread, so I'll keep my replies to a minimum. And I'm very tired right now, if something doesn't make sense I'll edit tomorrow.
If you pull spark, the mixture won't be firing, so whether it's rich or lean won't matter, correct?
If you cut fuel, fuel stops entering the chamber. There will be fuel in the lines, I agree. But, with no air to refill the lines, the fuel in the lines won't be sucked into the engine, that's basic physics. Which means you're car goes from it's normal mix to a mix so lean it probably can't ignite. Which is essentially the same thing as cutting spark. In both cases, the mix stops going bang instantly. Unless there's some loophole in which physics doesn't apply anymore or I'm missing some part.
The only danger would be if you're engine was REALLY hot and it INSTANTLY cooled.......but again, even in aircraft it usually takes over 1000 feet of idle descent (several minutes at idle after cutting throttle and instantly removing all load) to shock-cool an engine. I don't think a car coasting to a stop will be able to shock-cool it no matter how hard it had been running.
I'm not claiming taking an extremely high-performance engine and cutting all fuel to it instantly while at max throttle will not cause damage......
I'm claiming cutting all fuel instantly while at max throttle on a car that's driven daily and has floormats that jam the pedal won't damage the engine. If it was really high performance it wouldn't have floor mats. And didn't he say it was his mom's too? |
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| Flip |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
If you pull spark, the mixture won't be firing, so whether it's rich or lean won't matter, correct?
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No not correct, the engine has the ability to operate the same as a diesel at higher rpm's, a hot cylinder and plug can ignite a fuel/air mixture without spark. Don't try to throw "basic physics" at me. The fuel system is under pressure, shut off the car and pull a line off your rail, fuel comes out even though there's no air entering the lines. The effect is brief, but pressure is stored energy, it doesn't need a powered pump to be able to move for that second. That's "basic physics".
Since the car is his mom's familly hauler, this has very little bearing anyway. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Flip
No not correct, the engine has the ability to operate the same as a diesel at higher rpm's, a hot cylinder and plug can ignite a fuel/air mixture without spark. Don't try to throw "basic physics" at me. The fuel system is under pressure, shut off the car and pull a line off your rail, fuel comes out even though there's no air entering the lines. The effect is brief, but pressure is stored energy, it doesn't need a powered pump to be able to move for that second. That's "basic physics".
Since the car is his mom's familly hauler, this has very little bearing anyway.
What "pressure" is stored? If you pull the fuel line, air can go in the end fuel is coming out of...so it's really not the same at all. |
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| Flip |
| Fine there's no pressure in your fuel system after you shut the key off. You win, you always win, you're always right. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Flip
Fine there's no pressure in your fuel system after you shut the key off. You win, you always win, you're always right.
You know, you ass-pirates keep approaching me with that argument, and yet more than once I've admitted to being wrong.
Oh wait, I guess I just said you're wrong again. :S |
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| Flip |
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Originally posted by Flip
... and even if we do end up arguing I'll probably lose interest...
Thanks for bringing yourself down to the level of name calling. :thumbup: |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Flip
Thanks for bringing yourself down to the level of name calling. :thumbup:
I call people ass-pirates all the time, and people who keep implying you're a know-it-all and keep claiming I can't admit when I'm wrong despite the fact that I've done just that several times, are ass-pirates.
The difference between my name-calling and yours is I didn't cower behind insinuations and do everything but name-call. |
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