| robyn402 |
so i was in sylvan lake the other weekend...
on the side of the road is angle parking, and everyone has driven into the stalls because well all you have to do to get into a spot is turn off the road into it... so the last time i drove in i nearly got nailed as i started to poke my ass end on to the road because i couldn't see past the car next to me.. so this time i decide to back into the stall so that i can poke my nose out and be able to see more when i'm leaving and just go with traffic instead of back into oncomming traffic to get out and go...
silly me
so i got a ticket for "improper angle parking" because i backed into the stall and as far as i can remember i never saw anything in the little driving books you get before you get your license but i'm going to double check.
and on the ticket where the make and model should be all the guy put was my plate number and "no markings" as i took the mitsubishi symbol and lancer stick on's off my trunk, but theres still a mitsu symbol on the front... so he could have at lest put down colour and make of my car but he didn't even do that
so my questions are, is this guy just being a complete wanker and enforcing some little known law (or sumthin i just don't know about) and being that there is no make, model, or colour on the ticket does that make it fightable/void? i remember hearing somewhere that if a ticket isn't filled out completly right its no good...
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by robyn402
so i was in sylvan lake the other weekend...
on the side of the road is angle parking, and everyone has driven into the stalls because well all you have to do to get into a spot is turn off the road into it... so the last time i drove in i nearly got nailed as i started to poke my ass end on to the road because i couldn't see past the car next to me.. so this time i decide to back into the stall so that i can poke my nose out and be able to see more when i'm leaving and just go with traffic instead of back into oncomming traffic to get out and go...
silly me
so i got a ticket for "improper angle parking" because i backed into the stall and as far as i can remember i never saw anything in the little driving books you get before you get your license but i'm going to double check.
No, it's a real law. A bona fide actual rule. Someone got nailed for this a few months ago. You CANNOT back into an angle parking stall.
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and on the ticket where the make and model should be all the guy put was my plate number and "no markings" as i took the mitsubishi symbol and lancer stick on's off my trunk, but theres still a mitsu symbol on the front... so he could have at lest put down colour and make of my car but he didn't even do that
Maybe he doesn't know the mitsubishi logo...
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so my questions are, is this guy just being a complete wanker and enforcing some little known law (or sumthin i just don't know about) and being that there is no make, model, or colour on the ticket does that make it fightable/void? i remember hearing somewhere that if a ticket isn't filled out completly right its no good...
thanks
You heard wrong. A ticket not being filled out completely MAY void it, but usually not. In your case, I'd say not, unless it isn't actually your plate.
But as I said, the law is real and not all that uncommon. Most people realize they aren't supposed to back into angle parking, but even if you didn't, ignorance is not a defence of the law. |
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| robyn402 |
true, i was just wondering cause anyone i've talked to said they weren't actually aware thats its illegal... is it actually in the drivers handbook or is this one of the things you have to search for... like for example tint laws...
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by robyn402
as far as i can remember i never saw anything in the little driving books you get before you get your license but i'm going to double check.
some little known law (or sumthin i just don't know about)
You gotta be kidding... :blink:
How could you not know this?
Perhaps you should rewrite your learners' exam. I wonder what other rules of the road you happened to miss. |
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| robyn402 |
plus pretty sure that question wasn't on my learners exam, and anyone i've asked says they didn't know it was illegal, but i should relised something when no one else was doing it :D
you say well its common sence... but "sometimes common sence isn't all that common" lol |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by robyn402
true, i was just wondering cause anyone i've talked to said they weren't actually aware thats its illegal... is it actually in the drivers handbook or is this one of the things you have to search for... like for example tint laws...
thanks
:blink: You weren't aware of tint laws without searching for it? |
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| robyn402 |
| as a brand new driver a year ago and never driven in this province before...no i wasn't completely aware of it, but common sence said that having limo tint on your front windows is probably a bad idea...so i looked in driver hand books(no info there) and asked people, and seeing as how almost every other car has tint... but what ever i didn't know when i first started driving but it only took a few mintues to find out... i mean do u read the higway safety act (or what ever its called) before you get ur licence? i sure didn't just go by what you know and whats in the books |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by robyn402
plus pretty sure that question wasn't on my learners exam,
So what you're really saying is, if it wasn't one of the ~20 multiple choice questions on your exam, you didn't retain anything else you learned when you were supposed to have studied for that test?
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and anyone i've asked says they didn't know it was illegal,
That just proves that ignorance can be widespread sometimes.
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but i should relised something when no one else was doing it :D
Ya think! :p ;)
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you say well its common sence... but "sometimes common sence isn't all that common" lol
Actually in this case it IS common sense. I'll tell you exactly why the law exists (of not being allowed to back into an angle parking stall). Think about this --> If you are backed into an angle stall, what happens when you go to leave the parking stall? You would be driving AGAINST the flow of traffic (the same as if you were driving the wrong way on a one way street or driving on the opposite lane in traffic).
That should've been a big F'in DUH to anyone that stops to think about things like this. |
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| robyn402 |
| actually when i left the stall i went right into traffic, since the lane i needed to be in runs along the stalls |
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| robyn402 |
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Originally posted by Inzane
So what you're really saying is, if it wasn't one of the ~20 multiple choice questions on your exam, you didn't retain anything else you learned when you were supposed to have studied for that test?
That should've been a big F'in DUH to anyone that stops to think about things like this.
no just means that i don't remember seeing it in the book or on the test, you act as if u never forget anything... i personally do especially if in the year and a bit i've been driving i've only ever angle parked like twice and they were both the same day.. in sylvan
yea i shoulda relised this, but i didn't for what ever reason
but basically i didn't set out to find every single law that there is about driving, and if it was in the learner books then i simply forgot... like i forget mothers/fathers day.. and random things |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by robyn402
actually when i left the stall i went right into traffic, since the lane i needed to be in runs along the stalls
Sure you "went right", but you were facing left. Particularly if there were cars angle parked on either side of you, you would've had to have gone "left" at least momentarily before you could swing wide to face the proper direction. To turn right out of an angle stall (while in backwards) you'd have to make a greater-than-90 degree turn. You can't argue with geometry.
But anyway, surely you get the point I was trying to make. The basis for this particular rule of the road is completely sound. |
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| WorkInProgress |
I said the same thing in the other thread we had about this; I didn't know about the law either - and I think it's retarded... I had never heard about the law, and there are how many laws in Alberta governing our roads? About 436234623572? How is your average driver supposed to know all of them? Get a ticket, and live and learn, that's fine... I don't justify trying to get out of the ticket due to ignorance. I Would pay the fine and move on...
However, where I work, there is angle parking... When I try to leave the shop at the end of the day, it's a friggin' nightmare, because I can't see a goddamn thing when I'm backing up... Due to the other people angle-parked beside me. So I have to back out, and almost get hit daily by people pulling into the side street, and I have to back all the way across one lane of traffic, and almost get nailed by people trying to leave the residential area.
IF I were allowed to BACK into angle parking... Not only would it be easier to load up my trunk with work-related items, hehe, but I would be able to see the traffic coming off the main road, and coming from the residential area... And just pull out normally, easily, and head home...
Here's a diagram to help explain...
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| robyn402 |
| very nice artist work, well now that i know its officially illegal i won't be trying that any more |
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| robyn402 |
| thanks for the intel |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by robyn402
very nice artist work
I like how he's drawn himself driving into the oncoming lane. (at least according to his arrows).
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| WorkInProgress |
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Originally posted by Inzane
I like how he's drawn himself driving into the oncoming lane. (at least according to his arrows).
:lol:
If I'm parked correctly (legally), then I'm backing out into traffic and proceeding north in the correct lane, dude wtf? |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by WorkInProgress
If I'm parked correctly (legally), then I'm backing out into traffic and proceeding north in the correct lane, dude wtf?
Maybe you just didn't draw enough lanes. I interpreted your dotted line (which happens to be white..) as the center of the road dividing both directions because of an arrow on the right side of the drawing that's pointing UP. |
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| WorkInProgress |
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Originally posted by Inzane
Maybe you just didn't draw enough lanes. I interpreted your dotted line (which happens to be white..) as the center of the road dividing both directions because of an arrow on the right side of the drawing that's pointing UP.
There are 2 lanes... One going south (directly in front of the parking spots), one going north...? |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by WorkInProgress
There are 2 lanes... One going south (directly in front of the parking spots), one going north...?
Ok fine, but your drawing shows you driving out of the parking stall and going SOUTH (down) in the NORTH bound lane (if you're calling UP north).
Hence why I said a couple posts back that you've drawn yourself driving into opposing traffic.
Have you confused yourself, or am I still missing something? |
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| WorkInProgress |
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Originally posted by Inzane
Ok fine, but your drawing shows you driving out of the parking stall and going SOUTH (down) in the NORTH bound lane (if you're calling UP north).
Hence why I said a couple posts back that you've drawn yourself driving into opposing traffic.
Have you confused yourself, or am I still missing something?
I'm backing out... Right? So I back out, and then stop, and shift into drive, and proceed forward... So??? |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by WorkInProgress
I'm backing out... Right? So I back out, and then stop, and shift into drive, and proceed forward... So???
Hang on... I guess I missed your original thread where you first used that drawing. I thought you had parked backwards in the stall like this thread's author. THAT'S why I was confused. (I thought you were backed in and the drove straight out of the stall.)
Wait a minute... in lieu of what you just said, it looks like you also pulled an illegal maneuver. You cannot do what you've indicated. |
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| WorkInProgress |
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Originally posted by Inzane
Hang on... I guess I missed your original thread where you first used that drawing. I thought you had parked backwards in the stall like this thread's author. THAT'S why I was confused. (I thought you were backed in and the drove straight out of the stall.)
Wait a minute... in lieu of what you just said, it looks like you also pulled an illegal maneuver. You cannot do what you've indicated.
how the fuck am i supposed to go home then!?
edit: hehe, i suppose "the law" dictates i'm supposed to drive all the way around the block, in the opposite direction of where i want to be, just to come back on the main road (101ave) passing my shop? not a chance i'm going to comply with that law. that alley-way behind my shop is fucked up, i'm not driving my car down it, hehe... and it would take all of like 2 minutes out of my day! |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by WorkInProgress
how the fuck am i supposed to go home then!?
edit: hehe, i suppose "the law" dictates i'm supposed to drive all the way around the block, in the opposite direction of where i want to be, just to come back on the main road (101ave) passing my shop? not a chance i'm going to comply with that law. that alley-way behind my shop is fucked up, i'm not driving my car down it, hehe... and it would take all of like 2 minutes out of my day!
Yes, you are supposed to back out and proceed southbound, not back out, do almost a full u-turn while reversing and cutting across one lane of traffic into another, and then proceed in the opposite direction. |
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| Inzane |
| I'll let you take over. My work here is done. ;) |
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| WorkInProgress |
Yeah. I know backing in is illegal, and now I know backing out and proceeding the direction I want is illegal. Thanks for the heads up. I am now fully educated.
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by WorkInProgress
Yeah. I know backing in is illegal, and now I know backing out and proceeding the direction I want is illegal. Thanks for the heads up. I am now fully educated.
:blue:
And you can now stop "complaining" about almost being struck by the northbound drivers every day. |
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| robyn402 |
| nice the attention is off me, so where can i get a copy of the higway safety act or what ever so i can read up on all the little rules of alberta roads? lol |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by robyn402
nice the attention is off me, so where can i get a copy of the higway safety act or what ever so i can read up on all the little rules of alberta roads? lol
Maybe this is too obvious to work.......but did you consider the sticky that says it's got links to laws? :dunno: Guess the top 5 posts just weren't important enough to look at, eh? |
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| robyn402 |
| could just say look here... :bowdown: |
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| robyn402 |
| but whatever thanks for the intel and the attitude.. |
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| WorkInProgress |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
And you can now stop "complaining" about almost being struck by the northbound drivers every day.
Will do. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by robyn402
but whatever thanks for the intel and the attitude..
Just wouldn't be me without it. |
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