| B16 - NA or Turbo? - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| Schramm |
Just thinking up my project up for the summer, im putting together a B16 for my civic and need some advice: should i build it up for NA or for Turbo.
Whats better, with all angles looked at:
- wallet
- reliabilaty
- power
- difficulty to assemble
- looks/sound/popularity
- etc
i definately think a N/A would be a more challenging/fun build, but turbo is soooo kool :P and powerful
anyways input is appreciated. |
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| Kadaj |
| I personally think that a B16 should stay N/A unless you have pretty big wallets and have turbo'd a car before. But if you got the cash turbo would be fun. |
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| Schramm |
fun is always more expensive eh? :(
but N/A takes alot more work to keep up with a turbo doesn't it? |
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| THUD |
Well NA will come close but you need to do almost the same amount of work on the block and head as you would a turbo setup.
I and a bud did a nice little NA setup on my CRX and it's fun to do and can much cheaper, the car is so responsive and setup for ballzout driving on the autox course and was not half bad on the 1/4.
It lack's that little extra tho, A turbo opens up the possibility of getting better times on the 1/4 or in general just by changing manifolds and turbo bits there's always more room for improvement were on a NA it would be much more marginal.
For a propor job both start at the same place at the block, Choice of cost and purpose of the motor have to be decided right there.
Do you want to resleave it or put a block guard in or just post/pin the block and hope for the best, then there's the crank do you want to put a better one in or just leave it as is or add a good crank girdle.
Pistons and rings and rod's theres a hole assortment and some all you have to do is pick the rings for ether turbo or NA.
I am convinced that resleaving a block for any aplication is the best way to go, from there the rest is up to your wallet. |
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| donk_316 |
| Its such a little engine that it would be silly NOT to turbo charge it. |
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| bluciv93 |
| turbo it. thats what i wanted to do before i got my mr2 |
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| EK9Hatch |
You can spend $2,500 - $3,000 for a good turbo set up and make 240ish WHP, or you can spend $3,000+ tp make 190-200 N/A WHP.
What do you think is the better Idea?
Boost it...
Jamie |
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| Schramm |
and yet another question, b16 block or b18b block for an ls/vtec?
i heard b18b's are "better", true?
and that would take alot more machine shop work than just resleeving and block-guarding a b16 block wouldn't it?
more machining = more $$ which i am in limited supply of.
input has been appreciated, i have yet to decide the fate of my civic :P |
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| EK9Hatch |
It just depends on what your goals are. If you want say 225 WHP, that is doable with a B16. If you want even more power...say 250-275, a B18B might be a better choice IF you don't plan on building the block.
B18B's have been known to handle good power on the stock block.
I would suggest doing some research on Honda-tech.com
Just read read and read. You will answer all your own questions after some reading.
Jamie |
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| Schramm |
lol thats how i got to know what i know now about cars :P
read-read-read.
and i plan on building the block i buy, not stock...
so the B16 wouldn't be such a bad block after all? i mean if you build it up any block could be decent.. |
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| EK9Hatch |
quote:
Originally posted by Schramm
lol thats how i got to know what i know now about cars :P
read-read-read.
and i plan on building the block i buy, not stock...
so the B16 wouldn't be such a bad block after all? i mean if you build it up any block could be decent..
Like I said...it all depends on your goals.
I have a built B18C5 Block that is pushing about 475WHP, but thats a bit much for most people (also, my Civic is NOT my daily driver anymore)
A mildly Built B16 can handle 350 WHP easily.
Jamie |
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| Schramm |
thx for the help jamie. i nose around honda-tech.com.
but really 300whp is tons for me :P |
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| EK9Hatch |
No problem dude, just take your time, gather the research and do it right the first time. Just remember...Knowledge is power.
Jamie |
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| baker_jeff |
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Originally posted by EK9Hatch
No problem dude, just take your time, gather the research and do it right the first time. Just remember...Knowledge is power.
Jamie
Quoted for wisdom. "Knowledge is power" takes on a whole new meaning when it comes to building a turbo honda... the more you know, the further you can take it! :thumbup: |
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| EK9Hatch |
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Originally posted by baker_jeff
Quoted for wisdom. "Knowledge is power" takes on a whole new meaning when it comes to building a turbo honda... the more you know, the further you can take it! :thumbup:
Yup its true. I started out building low 13 second turbo civic's with stock d16's. At least with those, if you blow a rod through the block, its gonna cost you about $100 and a few hours of your time to fix. B16's on the other hand, are more expensive and are harder to come by.
Knowing what you are doing before you do it will save you many headaches, stress and tons of money.
Jamie |
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