| Inzane |
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I found this link on Beyond:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...reet-racing0620
And the thread I saw it in from Beyond:
http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread....mp;pagenumber=1
Who puts these lunatics like this "Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant" in power?
Sure speeding is bad, street racing is bad, traffic fatalities are bad... etc. But since when is modifying your car a CRIME?
There's not even any evidence presented in the article that the particular crash(s) sited (in the article) involved cars with modified parts. What kind of journalism is that? :dunno:
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| SilverZ24 |
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Mr. Bryant said cars built for street racing are as dangerous as explosives and can cause catastrophic damage.
lol
Wow, what an idiot. :rolleyes: |
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| Prudz_lude |
| wtf. If i had my car destroy simply because it was modified i would find out where the judge lives and firebomb his fucking luxury sedan. if he just got a new one i would firebomb his house. That is the lamest article i have read in a while. From the sounds of it the two accused were in the same car. The article simply states speeding and dangerous lane changes. Nothing about actual racing between two cars. how is that street racing? |
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| JustinL |
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8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.
Our Charter of Rights guarantees this law will never pass. If no crime is committed or can be proven was intended to be committed then the seizure is unreasonable. Speculation just isn't enough in our legal system. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| got to love that charter |
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| flatboy |
Time to crush all those hopped up diesel too, oh and anyhting with a CAI.
Fuckin Burocrats |
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| GQsmooth |
| might as well ban all vehicles over 200hp:rolleyes: |
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| eclipse.soul |
| lets all ride scooters. :) |
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| Inzane |
I thought this post in the Beyond thread was pretty funny:
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Originally posted by banned3x
2008 beyond meet :tear:
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by JustinL
Our Charter of Rights guarantees this law will never pass. If no crime is committed or can be proven was intended to be committed then the seizure is unreasonable. Speculation just isn't enough in our legal system.
According to the sign at Wainwright, you give up that right as soon as you set foot on a military base.
So the MPs could have a ball... :p |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Ridiculous. I bet nearly half of the street racing incidents take place with young drivers in their parents' bone-stock vehicles. |
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| NightmareMX6 |
Another gov't trying to do right thing in a gay way. Yes street racing needs to be stopped, but not everyone with a modded car street races. There are stock cars that are faster then most modded cars, so should the gov't make those illegal? By the gov'ts understanding any car that can go fast must be for street racing, give me a fucking break.
IF this gets into a law (very doubtful) we will all be nothing but fucking ricers, all show no go.
And I 100% agree with Matt. |
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| shorti |
| If that law passed I would report all muscle cars including all new sports cars just to piss off the local police and overwhelm them. |
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| NightmareMX6 |
| Ya why are they only targeting imports. The guys in their camaros and mustangs have modded cars and they race too. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| I want to see if they would crush a $250,000 Hemi Cuda if the owner was caught street racing. Something tells me it's not going to happen. |
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| shawley |
just bullshit i fucking hate this kinda shit
how would they say if someones building it for street or track?
i'd have more to say but what i would say would probaly get me banned |
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| charger_guy |
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Originally posted by shorti
If that law passed I would report all muscle cars including all new sports cars just to piss off the local police and overwhelm them.
Don't think 4 a minute i get off that easy...Im 20 and have a heavily modded muscle car...guess what cops still pull me over too! |
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| oldraven |
| Are they going to charge auto manufacurers too now? Anything wearing a badge like SS, SVT, Shelby, SRT, Mugen, Nismo, AMG, TRD, M, etc.... these cars are all modified versions of their standard siblings. Modified for speed. Designed to break the law. |
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| russianrocket21 |
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Originally posted by oldraven
Are they going to charge auto manufacurers too now? Anything wearing a badge like SS, SVT, Shelby, SRT, Mugen, Nismo, AMG, TRD, M, etc.... these cars are all modified versions of their standard siblings. Modified for speed. Designed to break the law.
lets not forget SiRRRRRRRRRRRRR :D |
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| REFLUX |
isn't this the same idiot who put in the ban against American Pit Bull Terriers???
what a douche, gotta love how pubilc opinion rules over rational thinking |
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| THUD |
I bet next there gonna outlaw the reverse cowboy position and goatee's.
I say if that asshat comes to town we invite him out to dinner and then when it's all good and done we beat some brains into him...who's in? |
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| RS13.2 |
The main problem is that if this LAW got passed it would violate at least 3 parts of our charter of rights.
Unlawful seizures
Innocent untill proven guilty
Freedom of expression
Basicly it will never pass, ever |
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| luder |
Link here
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He had purchased a B-20 Vtech engine with a double-overhead cam a couple months before, and after a police investigation, was told it was stolen.
Vtech phones have a dohc configuration now?
Modern news media rocks! :blink:
The problem is not with the legal system. It's with talking heads who are elected and run totally on public oppinion. It's the same knee jerk mentality the produced the salem witch trials. Overreact to keep people voting for you. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by RS13.2
The main problem is that if this LAW got passed it would violate at least 3 parts of our charter of rights.
Unlawful seizures
Innocent untill proven guilty
Freedom of expression
Basicly it will never pass, ever
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1. Its not unlawful to sieze your vehicle when your breaking the law by modifying it
2. Your not innocent because you have broken the law by modifying your vehicle
3. What exactly are you expressing by modifying your vehicle. This right is given to those who express thier religious and political views, not to those who express thier illegal hobbies |
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| NightmareMX6 |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
3. What exactly are you expressing by modifying your vehicle. This right is given to those who express thier religious and political views, not to those who express thier illegal hobbies
I pray to the car gods :D |
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| RS13.2 |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
counters:
1. Its not unlawful to sieze your vehicle when your breaking the law by modifying it
2. Your not innocent because you have broken the law by modifying your vehicle
3. What exactly are you expressing by modifying your vehicle. This right is given to those who express thier religious and political views, not to those who express thier illegal hobbies
If you read the article its saying that they will sieze ANY modified car. Doesn't matter if you are doing ANYTHING illegal.
Not all modifications are illegal, here is alberta there is very little thats illegal
Modifying a car is not an illegal hobby, shops sell/install parts and as far as i know its a legal buisness. Granted some parts are illegal but some are not as well |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
1. Its not unlawful to sieze your vehicle when your breaking the law by modifying it
2. Your not innocent because you have broken the law by modifying your vehicle
3. What exactly are you expressing by modifying your vehicle. This right is given to those who express thier religious and political views, not to those who express thier illegal hobbies
How is modifying your vehicle breaking the law?? |
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| Savage |
| wow that's absolutely ridiculous. so everyone is going to be forced to drive completly stock vehicles. Or are they just going to crush stock fast cars as well. wow this is retarted, this should never pass i hope it doesn't and if it does i'm sure there will be a huge backlash. like holding a huge "park in" at the legislature building lol. |
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| shawley |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
counters:
1. Its not unlawful to sieze your vehicle when your breaking the law by modifying it
2. Your not innocent because you have broken the law by modifying your vehicle
3. What exactly are you expressing by modifying your vehicle. This right is given to those who express thier religious and political views, not to those who express thier illegal hobbies
it's not against the law to modify your car
also they say before it hits the streets so if someone is building up their car for 4 years and the car is not registered or insured and not meant for road use yet, they would take it, because it has mods that could be for street racing, but that would be against the charter of rights, |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
i imagine that the plan would be to make modifications against the law.. by the sounds of the first line of that article, it already is against the law in ontario...this really really really sucks but i guess to avoid getting your car crushed, you stop modifying it..
vigilante justice is against the law and taking your car without breaking a law is vigilante justice so by the sounds of this entire fiasco, ontario is planning on making some laws on modified vehicles... |
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| Xtra_X |
I believe what 92_WhItE_H23 meant is 'If this law was passed' It would make modifing your car illegal so then his counters would be legitimate.
Don't get me wrong the whole Idea is fucked, I'm just trying to clarify what I think he meant. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| Yup thats what i got out of it as well. the part that is the saddest is everyone hear has alot to say but never voices it to the people that need to hear it. Those would be the politicians. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by Xtra_X
I believe what 92_WhItE_H23 meant is 'If this law was passed' It would make modifing your car illegal so then his counters would be legitimate.
Don't get me wrong the whole Idea is fucked, I'm just trying to clarify what I think he meant.
exactly..
ALSO, we must remember the difference between ontario and alberta, in ontario there is still a large amount of organized street racing going on..i dont know if any of you remember any of the CBC documentaries on it but it seemed to be pretty bad over there.. its not nearly as big a problem here as it is there, here we just have to worry about idiots in thier civics and pimped out neons flooring it when they happen to meet at a light somewhere. |
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| newred |
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Originally posted by 92_WhItE_H23
exactly..
its not nearly as big a problem here as it is there, here we just have to worry about idiots in thier civics and pimped out neons flooring it when they happen to meet at a light somewhere.
No there to busy drifting in the Park'n lots. J/K
But u r right. |
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| 300zxgal |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
Ridiculous. I bet nearly half of the street racing incidents take place with young drivers in their parents' bone-stock vehicles.
agreed
although.. i belive in england they believe if you want a fast car you should buy one that is already fast instead of modifying it.
I never quite understood the mentality for this reasoning. If someone could shed some light on that I would surely appreciate it. I dont see (for example) the harm in a Civic Eg with some goodies running.. say a 13.5 second pass at the track, over a stockish Porsche Turbo that might run a similar time or faster.
If they say 'speed kills'. Then why allow the sales of street bikes which are capable of 10 second passes or less, as well as having hightened maneuverability in traffic.
OR say the lifted full-size trucks that have become a common sight in edmonton over the last few years (i have noticed) chipped, straight-piped etc. etc. It's a popular trend of modifications for off-roaders. But what about the street-driven ones?
IMO it seems like there are so many different allocations to modifying a vehicle, that the idea of passing a law for a certain type of modification would be difficult to apply, difficult to enforce and probably more effort than it is worth.
In court I would imagine that it would hold up as well as being caught speeding in a construction-zone with no workers present. If you spend the time to go to the courthouse and state your case -you would probably be let off the charge.
I just can't quite comprehend the double-standards. I think a more realistic goal for any government should be consistancy in the enforcement of existing laws.
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by 300zxgal
agreed
If they say 'speed kills'. Then why allow the sales of street bikes which are capable of 10 second passes or less, as well as having hightened maneuverability in traffic.
bah..
i think because its pretty tough to kill 5 or 6 people in one accident doing 200kmh on one of those..no problem to kill yourself but they dont give a shit about you they care about the family going camping and on thier way down QE2 when from behind come a modded out 240sx pushing 350whp and a turbo rsx with 25 grand under the hood pushing similar numbers... they break into a race and that minivan is in the same lane as the RSX, the rsx refuses to lose face and pushes it trying to break in front of the 240 as to miss the van.. 3 seconds later mr ego realises hes gunna lose this race and starts on the breaks, he stars swerving, and the mother in the minivan sees a car coming up fast behind her swerving and jumps over a lane in order to avoid an accident when the 240 smokes it going 200kmh, the van does a nice barrel roll into the ditch and 20 minutes later, theres 6 black bags lining the side of the highway... |
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| Supra_devil |
if something like that did pass then people would start running a lot more, would ram the cop cars to get away, would go faster and harder than they are capable of handling. and more people will die.
I personally think that doing like some cities in the states and having Organized racing events where the cops are present and have cars of their own racing every week would help in canada the same as it did in those states that did it. Do it in the city where everyone can go, make it cheap as hell to do, just to keep the kids off the street. You can race the cops, they even give out T-Shirts to people that beat the cops in the one article i saw.
But it seems they would rather spend the money elsewhere, crushing cars, and imposing retarded laws, even if it ended up costing more, at least thats the way it seems some times. |
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| ChromeDragon |
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Originally posted by Supra_devil
if something like that did pass then people would start running a lot more, would ram the cop cars to get away, would go faster and harder than they are capable of handling. and more people will die.
I personally think that doing like some cities in the states and having Organized racing events where the cops are present and have cars of their own racing every week would help in canada the same as it did in those states that did it. Do it in the city where everyone can go, make it cheap as hell to do, just to keep the kids off the street. You can race the cops, they even give out T-Shirts to people that beat the cops in the one article i saw.
But it seems they would rather spend the money elsewhere, crushing cars, and imposing retarded laws, even if it ended up costing more, at least thats the way it seems some times.
How much would it cost to shut down one runway at the City Centre airport two or three nights a week and pay a dozen staff (police, paramedics) to man the place for six hours. I'm guessing a whole lot less than just one police chase and the subsequent time spent doing paperwork, in court, etc.
I know we already have the street legals, but the popularity of that event should pique the interest of others since that place is packed on Friday nights. So much so that people decide to stay away because they don't want to drive all the way out there for three runs. |
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| BigTrucker |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
How much would it cost to shut down one runway at the City Centre airport two or three nights a week and pay a dozen staff (police, paramedics) to man the place for six hours. I'm guessing a whole lot less than just one police chase and the subsequent time spent doing paperwork, in court, etc.
+1. That's an awesome idea.
If I didn't have to drive over 45 minutes to make it to Castrol on a Friday night I would go out more often. |
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| CanuckDave |
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
How much would it cost to shut down one runway at the City Centre airport two or three nights a week and pay a dozen staff (police, paramedics) to man the place for six hours. I'm guessing a whole lot less than just one police chase and the subsequent time spent doing paperwork, in court, etc.
Its an awesome idea in theory, but people will bitch and moan about the noise etc, so I highly doubt anything like this will ever actually work out. |
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| Prudz_lude |
honestly i had this talk with a friend. If someone found some land in the city where they could build a quarter mile it would make so much money. Even if it was 1 minute outside of edmonton it would put castrol out of business.
The perfect place, part of the U of A farm. However, there are quiet neighbour hoods around there that would complain. still, lots of space there. Very very pricy though |
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| Xtra_X |
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Originally posted by CanuckDave
Its an awesome idea in theory, but people will bitch and moan about the noise etc, so I highly doubt anything like this will ever actually work out.
Have you heard how loud airplanes are?
On a side note, That is an awesome dream, anyone on hear have the $$$ to start it? |
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| silvermist |
ok I don't know if any one has metioned this but if they want to ban modded cars the police should look in the the front parking lot of the police station. All police cars are modded from there factory setting to go faster and what about the light racks and gun racks. but dont for get the steel frame from the front to the back protecting the police from crimals. if I'm not mistaken those are all modification and the are distracting modifications.
maybe we should start reporting modded white cars with strobing light on the roofs, and a gun rack with a shotgun in it that would get the police attention real quick.lol It might be funny to see them racing up just to figure out it was a cop car. |
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| 92_WhItE_H23 |
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Originally posted by silvermist
ok I don't know if any one has metioned this but if they want to ban modded cars the police should look in the the front parking lot of the police station. All police cars are modded from there factory setting to go faster and what about the light racks and gun racks. but dont for get the steel frame from the front to the back protecting the police from crimals. if I'm not mistaken those are all modification and the are distracting modifications.
maybe we should start reporting modded white cars with strobing light on the roofs, and a gun rack with a shotgun in it that would get the police attention real quick.lol It might be funny to see them racing up just to figure out it was a cop car.
by your logic police should stop carrying guns, running red lights, speeding etc etc.. all they are trying to do is prevent useless deaths... its a great idea to have but they are going about it the wrong way is all. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
| There's a rural thing that I know happens in Stony Plain.. it's like 100 ft races.. they shut down a section of road.. have a tree and everything.. it's all launches.. it keeps the speeds lower, if a crash does happen, less chance of people being killed, etc..etc the RCMP is in on it.. I can't remember the name Jimbo has a buddy from Stony who is in on it, and Jimbo was. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by silvermist
ok I don't know if any one has metioned this but if they want to ban modded cars the police should look in the the front parking lot of the police station. All police cars are modded from there factory setting to go faster and what about the light racks and gun racks. but dont for get the steel frame from the front to the back protecting the police from crimals. if I'm not mistaken those are all modification and the are distracting modifications.
maybe we should start reporting modded white cars with strobing light on the roofs, and a gun rack with a shotgun in it that would get the police attention real quick.lol It might be funny to see them racing up just to figure out it was a cop car.
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Are you fucking kidding me? |
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| silvermist |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
:lol:
Are you fucking kidding me?
yes I was kidding I was just making a point the the bill is stupid |
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| Godzilla |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
There's a rural thing that I know happens in Stony Plain.. it's like 100 ft races.. they shut down a section of road.. have a tree and everything.. it's all launches.. it keeps the speeds lower, if a crash does happen, less chance of people being killed, etc..etc the RCMP is in on it.. I can't remember the name Jimbo has a buddy from Stony who is in on it, and Jimbo was.
i've never heard of anything like this. i live there too. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by Godzilla
i've never heard of anything like this. i live there too.
Really? they had the RCMP crown vic and trailer up here in Atha promoting it.. I wish I could remember the program name.. they had nhra type decals and everything |
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