| MS3 |
he was off duty at the time, i was going 30 over.
he tailed me, and took my plate down.
later he called my house and wants to set up a meeting with me tomorrow at 6...
what can he do? ticket?
i dont think he can give me a ticket, or anything really, just a talk right? |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by MS3
he was off duty at the time, i was going 30 over.
he tailed me, and took my plate down.
later he called my house and wants to set up a meeting with me tomorrow at 6...
what can he do? ticket?
i dont think he can give me a ticket, or anything really, just a talk right?
Why can't he give you a ticket? If he recognizes you as the driver of the vehicle, or if you admitted to being the driver of the vehicle, why can't he charge you?
Being a cop isn't like being a guard at the mall. You don't finish your shift and go home like everyone else. He still has a permit to carry a weapon, he still has a badge, he still has full authority as a peace officer. |
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| MS3 |
| no i mean he never gave me a ticket tonite, he set up a meeting tomorrow... no ticket as of yet... |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by MS3
no i mean he never gave me a ticket tonite, he set up a meeting tomorrow... no ticket as of yet...
Yes, I understood that. But why do you think he can't give you one? He was a cop when he saw you, he'll be a cop at 6 when you meet. |
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| Blackout-spec |
WTF... screw him, i wouldnt go.
tell him to prove you were speeding.
i would never openly accept a ticket.
and why waste your time to meet up to get a ticket?
if he wants to give you a ticket, let him come over. then completely deny you were even speeding, or out last night for that matter. hell i wouldnt even open the door.
tough shit! he didnt give you one at the time, then thats his problem, not yours.
i would honestly ignore him, if he harasses you, call the police chief!!!
if you do meet up, well haha then i dont even know what to tell you. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Blackout-spec
WTF... screw him, i wouldnt go.
tell him to prove you were speeding.
i would never openly accept a ticket.
and why waste your time to meet up to get a ticket?
if he wants to give you a ticket, let him come over. then completely deny you were even speeding, or out last night for that matter. hell i wouldnt even open the door.
tough shit! he didnt give you one at the time, then thats his problem, not yours.
i would honestly ignore him, if he harasses you, call the police chief!!!
if you do meet up, well haha then i dont even know what to tell you.
Why didn't he give him the ticket the other night? Good question. Since none of us are the cop, we can't say. I would venture a guess that part of it had to do with the fact that he had no lights and siren on his personal vehicle and deemed it would be dangerous to try. But if he got a good view of the driver, he certainly can issue the ticket if he can idenfity him. He doesn't even need you to open the door, just drop it in the mailbox. And he can wait outside your house until you leave, identify you visually, then ask for your drivers licence or other form of ID, which you are required by law to present. |
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| Blackout-spec |
well then, i guess your hooped!
im not a cop either, but i defiantly would not make it any easier for him to give you a ticket. |
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| EDISKRAD EHT |
| Get a buddy to show up and pretend he's you. If he gives him a ticket, fight it. Just tell him not to drive and say he didn't bring his wallet/ID since he wasn't driving. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by EDISKRAD EHT
Get a buddy to show up and pretend he's you. If he gives him a ticket, fight it. Just tell him not to drive and say he didn't bring his wallet/ID since he wasn't driving.
Yeah...and pray the officer doesn't recognize the scam and know it wasn't you 'cause he got eyes on you and charges both of you with interference. |
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| MS3 |
fuck son this is going to suck... oh well, ill just have to man it up, if i get a ticket, then there goes my clean lisence... if i dont, then god bless... i am going to go to the meeting, and see where it goes... come see the rice van tonight at the meet for a view of the ticket ;) haha
and i guess i will just rep myself well, dress nice, shave, clean up, etc. and me respectful, and own up to my actions of disregard. |
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| EDISKRAD EHT |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Yeah...and pray the officer doesn't recognize the scam and know it wasn't you 'cause he got eyes on you and charges both of you with interference.
Charge wouldn't fly.
Who's to say this guy is even a Cop? He could just be blowing smoke, and him be pulling some sort of scam.
You could just say you were just covering your ass to see if the guy was legit or not. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by EDISKRAD EHT
Charge wouldn't fly.
Who's to say this guy is even a Cop? He could just be blowing smoke, and him be pulling some sort of scam.
You could just say you were just covering your ass to see if the guy was legit or not.
Good point. I sure as hell wouldn't meet up with him anywhere. If he really wants, he can drop the ticket in my mailbox. |
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| Tech2 |
| Do you have his name and/or phone number? Why not call the cops yourself and see what's up with this guy. Off duty meetings with so called off duty cops are shady yo. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by EDISKRAD EHT
Charge wouldn't fly.
Who's to say this guy is even a Cop? He could just be blowing smoke, and him be pulling some sort of scam.
You could just say you were just covering your ass to see if the guy was legit or not.
No guarantee it would stick, that's true...but OJ got off even, so there's never any guarantee's things will stick. But it's perfectly acceptable for the officer to lay the charge and I could see it being upheld. Perhaps you should read the Criminal Code of Canada a little closer.
The guy has identified himself as a peace officer. Is he really? How do you know the guy who pulls you over on the street is really a cop? What if he's in an unmarked car? If he wasn't a cop, how did he get the number? I could go on, but you're making a massive assumption, and telling buddy to do something which turns a POTENTIAL speeding ticket - a minor traffic violation he may not even get charged with - into a potential criminal record for 2 people. Is that worth it to you? I don't think
If he's a cop, he probably requested a meeting at the station. If he didn't you can request the meeting be at the station. But I certainly wouldn't ask a friend to go in my place and risk both of our futures to try and get out of a ticket that might not even get issued. |
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| MS3 |
| the meeting is at the station (RCMP detatchment in sherwood park) in 45 minutes, and hes a legit officer, left his name, number, badge number, and everything... |
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| Blackout-spec |
wow. so what happened?
i cant believe you drove to accept a ticket.
that is of course if you actually get one.
i guess your a very honest guy. |
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| Tech2 |
I'm hoping the officer just wants to give a stern talking to. Good luck man.
Or maybe it's going to turn out to be a sweet opportunity to become a clandestine undercover agent for some cool national security operation... |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Blackout-spec
wow. so what happened?
i cant believe you drove to accept a ticket.
that is of course if you actually get one.
i guess your a very honest guy.
Yeah, because being an ass to the cop instead of driving to a meeting would definately be better. I'm sure he wouldn't make a note of the vehicle and tell his buddies or act on what he saw.
Chances are there wasn't even a ticket issued, but we'll see what he says. |
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| Blackout-spec |
who gives a shit if he tells his buddies.
if a cop wants to hand out bs tickets go ahead.
thats why we have a court, just because your a cop doesnt mean you allowed to be a prick!
remember, what goes around comes around!
its not like it would be hard to track down a cop if you have his name.
i love it when a cop is speeding when he has his lights off.
makes me want to call it in and report a speeding vehicle.
or one day a cop ran a stop sign. i think he just didnt see it because he didnt slow down or anything lol.
you think they ever get in shit for stuff like that?
not a chance. so take it easy on the guy, the cop was not working therefor there should be no ticket!
i would deffinatly not drive out of my way to meet him. id go to court and fight it if i got one. thats bs IMO!
and your not being an ass because you dont want to go to the meeting. maby SOME people have lives... i know i have better things to do then drive out of my way for something i dont even want. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by Blackout-spec
i love it when a cop is speeding when he has his lights off.
makes me want to call it in and report a speeding vehicle.
or one day a cop ran a stop sign. i think he just didnt see it because he didnt slow down or anything lol.
Both are perfectly legal. |
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| Invalid Zero |
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Originally posted by Blackout-spec
its not like it would be hard to track down a cop if you have his name.
LOL Yeah great idea! :geezuz: |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Blackout-spec
who gives a shit if he tells his buddies.
When you have cops looking over your shoulder 24/7 waiting for you to step out of line, you might.
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if a cop wants to hand out bs tickets go ahead.
A ticket every time you go 10km/hr over, tint, exhaust, uneccesary noise, unsafe lane change, failure to signal, rolling through stop signs, worn tires, misaligned headlights, etc are all perfectly legal, non BS ticket.
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thats why we have a court, just because your a cop doesnt mean you allowed to be a prick!
Innocent until proven guilty. You'd have to prove he was being a prick, and if you're guilty of all the things you have had those tickets issued for, he's done nothing wrong.
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remember, what goes around comes around!
Exactly. And being an asshole to a cop will "come around" and bite you in the ass.
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its not like it would be hard to track down a cop if you have his name.
And then what would you do?
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i love it when a cop is speeding when he has his lights off.
makes me want to call it in and report a speeding vehicle.
You mean like when he might be speeding to a silent alarm or other situation where he doesn't want to use lights or siren because it may give away that he's on his way and give the bad guys a chance to rabbit? Unless you know what's going on in his car, you can't say what he's doing is illegal. So call it in all you want. You'll get laughed at.
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or one day a cop ran a stop sign. i think he just didnt see it because he didnt slow down or anything lol.
And maybe he knew there was no traffic from either direction and was in the same situation as above.
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you think they ever get in shit for stuff like that?
Yes. If enough driving complaints come in about them that they can't justify, they get in shit. If you call because they did it and they check the radio logs and see he was responding silent to something, then no...they won't get in shit for doing what they are supposed to do.
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not a chance. so take it easy on the guy, the cop was not working therefor there should be no ticket!
Being a cop isn't like being a welder. The job doesn't end because you leave the station after a shift. If that was how it worked, the law would be that an off-duty peace officer cannot issue tickets, but that isn't what the law says. And there may not have even been a ticket, so you're jumping the gun.
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i would deffinatly not drive out of my way to meet him. id go to court and fight it if i got one. thats bs IMO!
Unfortunately, not BS for the court. It is NO different from him actually pulling you over and issuing the ticket as long as he can positively identify the driver.
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and your not being an ass because you dont want to go to the meeting. maby SOME people have lives... i know i have better things to do then drive out of my way for something i dont even want.
Being an ass, no. But you're failing to obey the commands of a peace officer...in other words, you're commiting a crime. If you want to take what's most likely a stern talking to and turn it into a definite ticket and a court date for interference, go right ahead. But I wouldn't think that's wise. If you're life is too important to take 10 minutes to go to a police station to be scolded for your crimes, you shouldn't have committed those crimes. Having a life is not an excuse for being able to break the law.
I highly recommend you hit up google and search the Criminal Code of Canada, the Police Act of Canada, the Police Act of Alberta, the Traffic Safety Act of Alberta and the Rules of the Road Regulation of Alberta. Because it's obvious you have very little clue as to the laws you are required to follow in your daily life.
Ignorance will not work as a defence of the law when you get yourself into trouble, and it certainly doesn't add any validity to advice and arguments you give here. |
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| drewb |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Being a cop isn't like being a welder. The job doesn't end because you leave the station after a shift. If that was how it worked, the law would be that an off-duty peace officer cannot issue tickets, but that isn't what the law says. And there may not have even been a ticket, so you're jumping the gun.
Alot of people are completely oblivious to this, this kid who took my bus in junior high found out the hard way when he threw an empty pop can into traffic (he was one of thouse desprate for attention kids) and it hit an off duty police man's truck.
Does crime punch out at the end of the day? No, and neither do the people fighting it. Do you honstly think if an off duty cop saw a robbery in progress he would just pass it by and think, "Glad I got today off". |
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| MS3 |
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Originally posted by Blackout-spec
wow. so what happened?
i cant believe you drove to accept a ticket.
that is of course if you actually get one.
i guess your a very honest guy.
i try to be honest as much as possible, and this worked out for me. no tickets issued :) he had a few he was going to give me, but i basically said, i was in the wrong, and i was driving like a prick, and he let me go :)
dodged a 100 in a 60 zone, careless driving (when i passed him at 100, i went from behind him around him and then back to in-front of him) and stunting (i squealed my tires off the light and he saw me do an attempted mini van drift):dunno: |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by drewb
Alot of people are completely oblivious to this, this kid who took my bus in junior high found out the hard way when he threw an empty pop can into traffic (he was one of thouse desprate for attention kids) and it hit an off duty police man's truck.
Does crime punch out at the end of the day? No, and neither do the people fighting it. Do you honstly think if an off duty cop saw a robbery in progress he would just pass it by and think, "Glad I got today off".
Worse yet, he isn't ALLOWED to pass by. If an architect sees a building that's ready to fall over, he can walk away and not say boo. He has no legal accountability. If an officer sees an indictable offence, he is required by law to take action. Perhaps it's unsafe for him to bust in and try and make an arrest, but he's required to hit a payphone and call it in, stick around to bring new officers up to speed, and take whatever action is necessary to protect innocent lives. |
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| Tech2 |
Not withstanding the OP did the right thing in this situation and it turned out well...
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
...is NO different from him actually pulling you over and issuing the ticket as long as he can positively identify the driver.
Being an ass, no. But you're failing to obey the commands of a peace officer...in other words, you're commiting a crime.
So if a police officer tells or asks you to do something, you have to do it by law? For "Get down on the ground!" I think this makes sense, but what about "I'd like a double cheeseburger hold the mustard!"?
Or how about "May I look in your trunk"? What about "Come meet me at the corner of x and y at 11pm tonight."?
I sure hope I can't get charged for forgetting not to put condiments on some off duty cop's burger. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Tech2
Not withstanding the OP did the right thing in this situation and it turned out well...
So if a police officer tells or asks you to do something, you have to do it by law? For "Get down on the ground!" I think this makes sense, but what about "I'd like a double cheeseburger hold the mustard!"?
Or how about "May I look in your trunk"? What about "Come meet me at the corner of x and y at 11pm tonight."?
I sure hope I can't get charged for forgetting not to put condiments on some off duty cop's burger.
Yes, let's think of the most assinine scenario we can and ask if it applies. Apparently I can't generalize without people making these types of comments because they always crop up, so here's the exact quote from the statute:
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38(1) Every police officer is a peace officer and has the authority, responsibility and duty
(a) to perform all duties that are necessary
(i) to carry out the police officer’s functions as a peace officer,
(ii) to encourage and assist the community in preventing crime,
(iii) to encourage and foster a co‑operative relationship between the police service and the members of the community, and
(iv) to apprehend persons who may lawfully be taken into custody,
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(b) to execute all warrants and perform all related duties and services.
If the orders they give you pertain to any of the above noted responsibilities, you must comply. No if's, and's or but's. |
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| Tech2 |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
Yes, let's think of the most assinine scenario we can and ask if it applies. Apparently I can't generalize without people making these types of comments because they always crop up, so here's the exact quote from the statute:
Lol, I figured that one might get a rise out of ya! ;) |
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