| 1300CC |
| So whats the deal, I understand that in Alberta any tint at all on the driver or passanger FRONT windows is not allowed. What is the reason for this according to the law or does one even exist. I assume it is for officere safety so they can see what is going on inside the car, but that doesn't make sense becasue all the back windows in the vehicle could be limo black, hiding whatever. I have also heard cops say it is for the occupants' safety as the tint stops the glass from shattering as it normally would in an accident, causing worse injuries. That doesn't make sense either, as we all know the cargo in the front seats is no more important than in the rear seats, so whats up? Oh yeah and as a side note, are their any restrictions on exhaust tip sizes in Alberta? Oh yeah, and are radar detectors, and laser deflectors illegal. Sorry for the poor grammar. Thanks for all input. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by 1300CC
So whats the deal, I understand that in Alberta any tint at all on the driver or passanger FRONT windows is not allowed. What is the reason for this according to the law or does one even exist. I assume it is for officere safety so they can see what is going on inside the car, but that doesn't make sense becasue all the back windows in the vehicle could be limo black, hiding whatever. I have also heard cops say it is for the occupants' safety as the tint stops the glass from shattering as it normally would in an accident, causing worse injuries. That doesn't make sense either, as we all know the cargo in the front seats is no more important than in the rear seats, so whats up? Oh yeah and as a side note, are their any restrictions on exhaust tip sizes in Alberta? Oh yeah, and are radar detectors, and laser deflectors illegal. Sorry for the poor grammar. Thanks for all input.
There are lots of reasons why window tint isn't the smartest idea on front windows, pick any of them as reasons why it's illegal. Can't see in, can't see out, doesn't shatter properly, etc. All reasons alone seem pretty small, combine them all and it starts to make sense. Or maybe it doesn't. If you don't like it, write a letter to the government.
You can't "widen" your exhaust. Take that how you want. I keep telling people to write to the government to get it clarified, but people seem adamant that they'd rather bitch and moan or claim they have they answer than to write a letter. Oh well.
Detectors are legal in Alberta. Deflectors are not. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
1. Vehicle equipment regs don't state why front tint is illegal, just that it is.
Could be police safety, could be driver visibility... who knows. I don't think it has to do with glass shattering safety.. a tinted window isn't supposed to stop something from flying out. The sides and rear windows are "safety glass" they are designed to shatter into tiny pieces which is safer than large chunks. The front windshield does the same, but it has a film that holds it together... like tint, but a litte stretchy
Rear side windows could be painted black for all the law cares.. rear winshield can be tinted or paintd or whatnot as long as you have 2 side mirrors like one on each door.. if you have only a drivers door mirror and the rearview hanging from teh windshiled.. no rear tint for you.(has to do wth driver visibility.
2. Exhaust...well not really a max size.. teh law is you can enlarge the muffler pipe.. tips are different than the muffler pipe... this one people have gotten tickets for fart cannons/tips/etc some have gone to court and won, some have gone and lost.
3. Radar detectors are legal here... I don't think Jammers are. |
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| 1300CC |
| I suppose I still wish the law regarding tint could be clarified in black and white. It cant be the visibility issue, what about wearing sunglasses, maybe in the darkness of night I suppose. I just wish there were a different set of rules with sports cars.The ultimate would be if there was some sort of special license you could get to a have a different set of rules apply. I swear to God if I had limo tint on my front windows it wouldn't make the difference between getting into an accident or not. There are a few States in th US where tint is allowed, I wonder why this is. I know im whining, I could write a letter, but what would come of that, oh well, thanks for the feedback. Oh yeah, can law enforcement tell if you are using a Jammer or a Detector, and if they can, do you feel they approach the speeder differently. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
Tint - and different rules for different people.. if they had that... well then the people allowed would still get pulled over and show their "I'm special card" Yes driving at night down a highway with a tinted windshield.... I wouldn't want to try it...
Chances are if you are running a Jammer they will be able to tell cause their radar won't be working "normally" and they'll know something is up. Now if you're on a crowded road.. it might be hard to tell who has it.. but is it worth the risk.. I don't think so.
Personally I had a detector... it being stolen was one of the best things that coulda happened. I got to dependant on it.. and wow did I get tickets.. cause it would go off, I'd slam on the brakes just before the cop starts walking out in front of me.. so all it would do would give me a heads up to pull over. When it was gone as first I learned to spot radar better... then well I just slowed down. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by 1300CC
I swear to God if I had limo tint on my front windows it wouldn't make the difference between getting into an accident or not.
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As for states allowing it, in most states necrophilia is only a misdameanour... Different places have different laws, fact of life. They will NEVER set up different rules for different cars for tint. |
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| gtaylor |
quick question,
i recently got a tint ticket :smack:
and i was wondering, what additional fees are there if i decide to pay at the registry?
and can i pay tickets at the bank? i had a friend who said he paid a parking ticket there once, is it the same for tint? |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
I think you can pay at court house or registries.. I've never done it at a bank before.
I dunno if you can go to a registries and pay it before tha date on the back, but I know if you wait til after it's a 20% or $25 fee, plus a $5 service fee.. or that's what it used to be. If the date isn't up yet, get a money order or cheque, mail it with the ticket to the address on the back... prolly the easiest way to do it. |
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| phoenixmillenia |
| Banks can take those white parking tickets, but no other tickets. |
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| gtaylor |
alright thanks for the info:thumbup:
ill just stop by the registry as i jsut wanna pay it and get it over with
also, is there a extra fine if you lose the actual ticket itself? or are they just in the system? |
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| tho_chi |
| If I see a cop I'm quick to roll down both front windows, I know it may be a bit obvious at times but it has worked so far. :cool: |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by gtaylor
alright thanks for the info:thumbup:
ill just stop by the registry as i jsut wanna pay it and get it over with
also, is there a extra fine if you lose the actual ticket itself? or are they just in the system?
Depends... after the date.. it's in the system.. before the date it's not, well that I know of. |
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| DivineRight |
The reasons for not having tint in the front windows may not be something that you agree with 100% but it seems that you already know them. The powers that be decided that those reasons held enough merit to make them into laws.
I think people need to remember that police officers don't make the law, they enforce it. Asking police officers why they enforce tint tickets is like asking why wearing jeans aren't allowed at most professional occupations.
How can you ask for discretion for tinted windows? It is common knowledge for everyone in Alberta that having front tint is illegal. I mean something more obscure like having a working license plate light might be believable but anyone who drives knows. |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
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Originally posted by DivineRight
The reasons for not having tint in the front windows may not be something that you agree with 100% but it seems that you already know them. The powers that be decided that those reasons held enough merit to make them into laws.
I think people need to remember that police officers don't make the law, they enforce it. Asking police officers why they enforce tint tickets is like asking why wearing jeans aren't allowed at most professional occupations.
How can you ask for discretion for tinted windows? It is common knowledge for everyone in Alberta that having front tint is illegal. I mean something more obscure like having a working license plate light might be believable but anyone who drives knows.
Naw plate light is pretty common knowledge.. the seat belt law for delivery drivers is more obscure :P |
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| 1300CC |
| This is the other problem with the whole tint thing. I understand the police just eforce the law but lets be reasonable here. Also regarding the comment about pulling out your special license well lets be serious, that happens everyday. It is illegal to J-Walk but how often does that ticket get written. A Lawyer running across the street to the Law Courts, I don't think so, but a young punk crossing to the 7-11, more than likely. Different rules apply to different people all the time. The biggest thing about the tint that drives me nuts is that they can force you to take it off on the road, I was in a car when this happened once, the reason behind it is that it apparently makes the car unsafe and if they let the car go that officer could be liable. Now if that were true and its all about the SAFETY of whomever, then why do tint tickets even exist, as mentioned above. I know this sounds kind of repetitive and I know it is obvious this tint thing is a sore spot for me, I just feel like there should be a little more consistency regarding this stuff. There is a long list of tickets that Police can give basically just to make you a little more pissed off, and I feel this is the intention of the tint rule. If it isn't for that and it is in fact for officer safety, then fine, I respect that, but give the right people the tint ticket then, cmon. |
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| GQsmooth |
I got pulled over for having tint on my front windows, but I got out of it, due to the fact I told them:
- It's needed for safety, I.e, when a collision happens you dont get glass shards in your face
- Keeps the sun's UV rays from damaging/baking the interior of the car.
- Keeps the sun's UV rays out from blinding you, when your driving.
True Story.:p |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by 1300CC
Now if that were true and its all about the SAFETY of whomever, then why do tint tickets even exist, as mentioned above.
I said there were numerous reasons, I guess I need to spell them out.
1) The glass does not break in the manner (not so applicable to windshield, more so to the side windows). Why is it allowed on the back then? Statistics. Most broken glass occurs on the front of the vehicle. Also, lobby groups. Limos still want to be able to provide privacy.
2) Seeing out is not as clear. Deliver pizza for a few days. You'll realize that at night you can't see the numbers clearly enough to read them through even faint tint, but roll down your window and you can read them perfectly.
3) Seeing in is difficult. When you're in the far right lane and someone is slightly ahead of you and in the far left lane, they may shoulder check to the right to see if you're also shoulder checking and intending to move to the center lane. If they can't see you inside, they have no idea what you're thinking of doing. Or if they're a pedestrian wanting to cross the street and they want to know if you see them or not before the walk in front of your car. Or an officer who wants to see your hands on a steering wheel and can't because of your tint. Or an ambulance/paramedic who can't see inside your car after an accident because of tint and then risks their life to save the occupants when you've already gotten out before they arrived.
There's 3 perfectly valid reasons. Sure, you can make up arguments and scenarios against them, but they are 3 reasons nonetheless. Some places obviously don't buy some or all of those reasons because they allow tint, others buy them 100%. It's the opinion of the government when they laws are made that matter, not your opinion now. If you disagree, write a letter. What good will it do? Nothing if yours is the only one. But I keep encouraging people to write. Remember, the government represents you. They do what you want to get re-elected. If enough people write letter, they'll do it simply to gain your favour and re-elect them. Maybe that's not the most moral reason why they should, but in the end they are still representing your interests.
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I know this sounds kind of repetitive and I know it is obvious this tint thing is a sore spot for me, I just feel like there should be a little more consistency regarding this stuff. There is a long list of tickets that Police can give basically just to make you a little more pissed off, and I feel this is the intention of the tint rule.
Really? There is? Name 3. Cops have no say in what laws get passed. I even once knew an RCMP officer who had to guard an abortion clinic and was not pro-choice. It's a job. The government passes those laws. And the government has no desire to pass laws simply to give cops a chance to piss people off.
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If it isn't for that and it is in fact for officer safety, then fine, I respect that, but give the right people the tint ticket then, cmon.
Occupant safety, officer safety, and pedestrian safety. Basically, the safety of everyone to some degree. Perhaps you don't agree with those reasons. There are many more, most are flimsier than those, but nonetheless, those are the types of reasons the courts pass laws on tint. |
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| DivineRight |
These people simply don't get it, either they are stupid or they are in denial. Police officers don't make up the laws, they enforce it. Write a letter to the Provincial Government if you don't like the tint law. Have them re-write the Traffic Safety Act then.
I laughed at this quote:
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It is illegal to J-Walk but how often does that ticket get written. A Lawyer running across the street to the Law Courts, I don't think so, but a young punk crossing to the 7-11, more than likely.
You obviouslly don't know the relationship between cops and lawyers. :D As well, what makes you think you are better than someone else that you should be able to get out of an obvious violation of the law? Quite pompus and arrogant if you ask me. Should they ticket based on race or religion instead?
Basically, you are asking that police officers use more discretion. The problem with discretion is that it must be used very modestly and for a very small population.
How many times have you heard of dumb-asses bragging to everyone they know that a cop let them off on a ticket? They figure that they somehow outsmarted the police or that the police officer was an idiot. It does 2 things:
1) That makes all the people they know figure that they also deserve the same treatment.
2) It pisses off the police because now these people misinterpret kindess and understanding for weakness.
Then there are those who figure that since discretion should be used for everything and they figure if someone can be let off of a speeding ticket, why can't they be let off for a hit and run that barely caused any damage? Or the drunk drivers who end up killing a pedestrian but because they didn't mean to do it, they should be treated with discretion.
Wait until you are the victim of a crime, wait until some idiot who is speeding down your neighbourhood and they almost run over your child or parent. Wait until you walk to your new car that you saved 3 years for and see a nasty dent that some moron backed up into and left you to pay for the damages.
People like you are selfish, its all about you, you, YOU! You don't stop and think, "oh, how can this keep police officers safe?" or "by doing this am I putting other people's lives at risk?" Its all about "having tint up front makes me look cool.", "I am late because I was too lazy to leave a bit earlier so I'm going to drive way faster than the speed limit.". Yeah, like you can tell me honestly that you aren't guilty of this. |
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| SkiTLz |
Laser Jammers are Legal.
Radar Jammers are not and 99% of them out there are fakes and don't work. |
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| 1300CC |
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These people simply don't get it, either they are stupid or they are in denial
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Holy cow, You two guys need to calm down. First things first, the true measure of a man is how easy it is to tell when he is angry. Calling names and making suggestions of my character is really chidish and it shows a lack of professionalism on your part. Now we can get on with the discussion, NOT ARGUMENT, so chill out.
Ok so lets address a few points.
I am aware that the police do not write the laws and they are simply in place to enforce them, I never said otherwise. My main question was that if in fact the main purpose for the law is passenger safety or officer safety, why does a fine exist. If you are merely following protocol , then why do some officers handle the tint with a fine and others force it off the vehicle. It is inconssistent, that is what I said. I never asked for a special rule for myself, but if infact discretion is the key, then peel the tint of the drug dealers car, and give me the ticket.
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You obviouslly don't know the relationship between cops and lawyers. As well, what makes you think you are better than someone else that you should be able to get out of an obvious violation of the law? Quite pompus and arrogant if you ask me. Should they ticket based on race or religion instead?
You definitely missed the boat here, the Lawyer didn't represent an actual lawyer in this case, he merely represented an adult professional. Furthermore you call me pompous and arrogant for suggesting different people get picked on for different crimes, and you make a scarcastic remark about race and religion. But yet you started that comment by saying I obviously don't know the relationship between Lawyers and Cops. So tell me who is the one deciding who is better than who, YOU ARE !! There isnt supposed to be any special relationships with anyone, who cares if its a lawyer. When you get your foot out of your mouth maybe you could come back with something constructive instead of letting everyone know how easily you lose your cool.
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Wait until you are the victim of a crime, wait until some idiot who is speeding down your neighbourhood and they almost run over your child or parent. Wait until you walk to your new car that you saved 3 years for and see a nasty dent that some moron backed up into and left you to pay for the damages.
Is this an after school special or what. My thread started out speaking about tinted windows, and you have brought in respect, people who speed in residential areas, and damages to new cars. This is all irrelevant, stick to the topic and the facts, you'd think for people who are so close to lawyers this wouldn't be a problem. |
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| DivineRight |
You are missing the big picture. What, "adult professionals" don't commit crime? Since they have a bit of schooling and use their head rather than their hands, they should be looked at differently? Why should you 1300CC, be let off a tint ticket but an 18 year old who busted his ass working 3 summers to buy his car have to pay for it?
You see things that only affect you, that only concern you while I look at the big picture. You are ranting that police should use more discretion when giving tint tickets to people like yourself because for some unknown reason you feel that you are above others. Nope, it is all about you. That is why I called you pompus and arrogant, read your intial post, you completely changed your stand point so that you would look better.
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I still wish the law regarding tint could be clarified in black and white. It cant be the visibility issue, what about wearing sunglasses, maybe in the darkness of night I suppose. I just wish there were a different set of rules with sports cars.The ultimate would be if there was some sort of special license you could get to a have a different set of rules apply
Of course there was also this too:
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Also regarding the comment about pulling out your special license well lets be serious, that happens everyday. It is illegal to J-Walk but how often does that ticket get written. A Lawyer running across the street to the Law Courts, I don't think so, but a young punk crossing to the 7-11, more than likely. Different rules apply to different people all the time. The biggest thing about the tint that drives me nuts is that they can force you to take it off on the road, I was in a car when this happened once, the reason behind it is that it apparently makes the car unsafe and if they let the car go that officer could be liable. Now if that were true and its all about the SAFETY of whomever, then why do tint tickets even exist, as mentioned above. I know this sounds kind of repetitive and I know it is obvious this tint thing is a sore spot for me, I just feel like there should be a little more consistency regarding this stuff. There is a long list of tickets that Police can give basically just to make you a little more pissed off, and I feel this is the intention of the tint rule. If it isn't for that and it is in fact for officer safety, then fine, I respect that, but give the right people the tint ticket then, cmon.
What do you mean by "give the right people the tint ticket then"? Who should be allowed to have these "special licenses"?
People like you? If that is not elitist, pompous and arrogant then perhaps you should go look up these words in the dictionary. I'm not flaming you for no reason.
As well, everything I talked about ties in with discretion. Since discretion is based on case by case decision making and personal judgement you can't have consistancy based on your standards. You want to talk about facts, but everything you write about is personal opinion regardless of the facts. After you get a ticket for tint, common sense would dictate that you would remove the tint so that you don't get fined in the future. If a cop lets you go with a promise to remove the tint, then he saved you a fine. Fines help people remember violations because they are nasty things.
Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. With tint, it makes it harder to see out of your windows at night time. Its like those people with the big whale fins, screaming for attention. From my stand point, people like you are just whiney guys who have a problem with authority. If it is too sunny, wear a cool set of shades. If you want your ride to look good, get a nice set of rims. I have yet to hear anyone say "WOW, look at that tint on that Subaru STI!", what I hear most of the time is "WOW, look at that STI!". The tint doesn't make the car. |
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| 1300CC |
I havent changed my point at all, just because I said I wish there was a special license that was available doesnt make me an elitest. Motorcycles, big rigs, race cars, all have different licenses regarding experience and expertise. Many comments were made about shoulder checks and ambulances, and many other driving related issues, thats where the special license comes in. That doesnt make me pompous or arrogant, so maybe you check the dictionary. Also, you have used the phrase, "people like YOU" a hand full of times, you don't know me so quit embaressing yourself by confirming that you are to quick to judge.
Lets stay on topic
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You see things that only affect you, that only concern you while I look at the big picture. You are ranting that police should use more discretion when giving tint tickets to people like yourself because for some unknown reason you feel that you are above others.
This topic was about Tint, how its illegal, and how it affects me, this wasn't a thesis paper on being open minded to wide world of law enforcement. Quit confusing issues.
The BIG PICTURE is that tint " according to the police "is an offence based on the premice of safety, for the driver, a cop, or even a pedestrian. So if it is about safety then why are apparent unsafe vehicles with tint, sometimes given a ticket. In the eyes of the law, this is considered to be letting an unsafe vehicle roll down the road, I have asked this question 3 times, an answer would be nice.
If its not about safety, then whats the deal, this is why I brought this up.
Oh and just for the record you are the one that said I was unaware of the special relationship Law enforcement has with lawyers, you placed them on a pedastal, not me. I just used them in an example to illustrate there are other avenuse in life where tickets, fines, charges, get handed out based on other discretions, thats not my doing, its yours.
Example. Have you ever heard of a teenager getting a J Walk ticket, yep many times. Have you ever heard of pregnant woman getting a J-Walk ticket. Nope, as they shouldn't, different situations require different discretion. So yeah if you run a plate and the guy has weapons charges and his car is tinted up, go ticket crazy, he is a hazard. But if Joe Shmo gets pulled over and you have no beef with him don't feed him a bunch of garbage about safety and make him tear his tint off. Would you tear the tint off your Dads' vehicle if your partner accidentally pulled him over, I doubt it, and I wouldnt either. Jesus cut me some slack, and ACTUALLY look at the bigger picture.
It amazes me how bent out of shape someone can get over a simple discussion. The comments and casting of judgements is what turns things in to an arguement. I haven't shown any disrespect in this column, and I guess I feel its unfortunate that in your life you feel this behavior is neccessary. For what its worth I do appreciate all that law enforcement does, for Edmonton and the country alike. I wouldnt wish any ill will upon any officer risking his life to help out. This topic wasn't intended to get people angry. Maybe take an anger managment class or something, oh well. |
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| 1300CC |
| No reply , interesting. |
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| DivineRight |
I think it is obvious that I have already made my point. You are the one with the hurt feelings and if anyone needs therapy, it is you Mr. Drama Queen.
If my posts are too high level for you, how did you describe them "a thesis paper on being open minded to wide world of law enforcement" then perhaps you should stick to complaining to your mommy instead.
You aren't going to get any sympathy here. Oh yes, you were looking for sympathy, there is no point in denying it. If my posts seem a bit hostile, it is because I am not your parents, I am a third party person who doesn't know you but I am judging you based on how you communicate and what you are communicating to me. I'm not going to sugar-coat the fact that you are a selfish half-wit, who uses the defense of "wow you are so hostile" for everything.
You have not been able to refute any of my points or accusations. You have not shown any insight or common sense and you really don't know when to drop a moot point. You are not a police officer, you are not even someone who can be trusted to be a commisioner of oaths and you certainly aren't someone who should be telling cops how to do their jobs. Stop trying to pick fights that you can't win, grow up and move on son. |
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