| Installing stereo, GMC Sierra - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| sick_boy |
| I just got a new toy for myself 05 gmc seirra crew cab so the question is kind of more for the car audio guys... What do i need to get, to keep my steering wheel controls functioning when i install after market stereo? What kind of unit is it and do i need anything else? |
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| Chocolate_H |
you will need:
- Mounting bracket (single din/double din)
- Your vehicle specific wire harness
thats just basic...
and normally if the deck is compatible with steering wheel controls, it would say right on the box.
Like my JVC deck, its says right on the box. They usually have 1 extra wire that goes plug n play to ur factory steering wheel wire...at least in my case it is. |
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| Ravendarat |
| If your deck doesnt have the capability for steering wheel controls built in you can buy a piece from companies like peripheral and Pac that can let you adapt almost any stereo with an IR remote to work with your vehicle. Just watch sony decks as many of them wont work with these modules |
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| sick_boy |
| sorry i a a lil lost i have a stock stereo in it now and planning to put a panasonic navi |
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| Ravendarat |
| So then ya, its not built in as far as I know so you would have to use a seperate module to retain your controls, but it can be done. That module runs about 150 bucks |
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| shawley |
you do need a special data harness for that truck, if you have no onstar and no bose it's about $150
if you have bose and onstar it's $250
then a kit $25
a antenna adapter $8
and steering wheel controls are $170 for a swips,
and will work with any pioneer deck
feel free to come see me at Certified Radio and I can show you all the product |
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| lowryder99 |
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Originally posted by shawley
you do need a special data harness for that truck, if you have no onstar and no bose it's about $150
if you have bose and onstar it's $250
then a kit $25
a antenna adapter $8
and steering wheel controls are $170 for a swips,
and will work with any pioneer deck
feel free to come see me at Certified Radio and I can show you all the product
You don't "NEED" a special data harness...the trucks have NO data running through the deck, SOME of the newer trucks will show an oil life remaining on the deck but it's very rare that that happens, and even if it does the same data is sent to the DIC on the cluster. You only need that harness on high end gm products like the cadilac cars etc..etc..
So if you don't have "bose or onstar" don't waste the 150 bucks, just buy an 03 harness and use that (15 bucks compared to 150 haha), you will lose your door chime and that's it...(and that's a good thing) |
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| stealth |
| Sorry to hijack your thread. But say in addition to steering wheel controls you havea 6 disc factory cd changer, and want that incorporated into your aftermarket DVD deck, what does that entail? |
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| Ravendarat |
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Originally posted by stealth
Sorry to hijack your thread. But say in addition to steering wheel controls you havea 6 disc factory cd changer, and want that incorporated into your aftermarket DVD deck, what does that entail?
Depends on the vehicle and the deck. In some vehicles there is an adapter harness to use with certain aftermarket decks and in other cases your just strait up screwed |
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| shawley |
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Originally posted by lowryder99
You don't "NEED" a special data harness...the trucks have NO data running through the deck, SOME of the newer trucks will show an oil life remaining on the deck but it's very rare that that happens, and even if it does the same data is sent to the DIC on the cluster. You only need that harness on high end gm products like the cadilac cars etc..etc..
So if you don't have "bose or onstar" don't waste the 150 bucks, just buy an 03 harness and use that (15 bucks compared to 150 haha), you will lose your door chime and that's it...(and that's a good thing)
that harness won't plug in
and on those decks there is no switched power, as it runs through data |
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| lowryder99 |
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Originally posted by shawley
that harness won't plug in
and on those decks there is no switched power, as it runs through data
Ummm yes it will. Please don't try and feed me bs. I have done this install on my own truck and many others (upwards of 15-16 trucks when I did the encana bluet tooth installs)....would you like pics?
It runs through data??? NO.....
No switched power? What are you talking about, on some of the trucks there is no accessory wire coming to the deck in which case you tap into the big ole orange wire right under the steering wheel with the main ignition harness. Hmm tap into one wire or pay an extra 90-110 bucks??? tough call...
LOL...won't plug in, did corporate teach you to say that?
They are the identical harness except one doesn't have 100 dollars worth of extra crap to keep a door chime.
Here's some research for you so you don't have to sound like a total newb incase you come across a customer who actually knows what he's talking about.
http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums...o-installs.html |
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| Ravendarat |
| What is an 03 harness, are you talking the harness for the 2003? cause that one is different than the 2004, or are you talking about a model number. |
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| lowryder99 |
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Originally posted by Ravendarat
What is an 03 harness, are you talking the harness for the 2003? cause that one is different than the 2004, or are you talking about a model number.
No it's the model number (or the last few digits, I posted a link that talks about using the correct harness without the databus junk) |
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| Ravendarat |
| BHA2003 is the harness number you were thinking of, and if your running acessory power off the column I hope you are fusing all these trucks or else everyone you put on the road is another fire hazard |
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| lowryder99 |
Yep that's the number, thanks!. Id say 90% of the installs I have done on these trucks have allready had pre fused accesory wires off of them (from the deck manufacturer) so there was really no need to add another fuse. (Lots of the panasonics are pre fused, but some of the alpines I have done wern't so I did add a fuse in that application)
But yes anytime I run a new accessory off an ignition source (or any other power source for that matter) it gets fused! |
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| gab |
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Originally posted by lowryder99
Yep that's the number, thanks!. Id say 90% of the installs I have done on these trucks have allready had pre fused accesory wires off of them (from the deck manufacturer) so there was really no need to add another fuse. (Lots of the panasonics are pre fused, but some of the alpines I have done wern't so I did add a fuse in that application)
But yes anytime I run a new accessory off an ignition source (or any other power source for that matter) it gets fused!
did you say the big orange wire to hook to? i am going to change the deck in my 88 truck. and i think i'll try it myself. |
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| lowryder99 |
You mean like 1988? If that's the case you don't need any fancy harness at all, just a regular GM wire harness for older GM vehicles (you can even buy the scoshe harness at walmart)
But yea you don't need to do anything fancy at all on those trucks, just straight wire job. |
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| gab |
| will that do my surround sound? i want to use the deck out of a caddilac escalade. cuz it sounds awesome. |
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| lowryder99 |
You want to use the factory deck out of an escalade?
I mean...you COULD wire it up but it would be a huge pain, the escalade might have sounded good because of the factory bose (which I am not really a fan of)
Your best bet is to just buy an aftermarket deck and get yourself a nice set of components, throw an amp on them and it will blow the escalade away. |
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| gab |
| but i already bought the deck and steering wheel to swap out. the guy on ebay told me it would work for my truck. |
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| lowryder99 |
Well it sounds like he was lying to you.
Your truck has a special opening for a deck under neath your vents, you need an adapter plate to accomidate a single din unit and the stock delco escalade unit isn't a single din and won't fit.
Basically you would need some fancy wiring and some fibreglass skills to make it work.
Also an escalade steering wheel won't fit your column unless it's a 99 or 00 escalade wheel. |
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| gab |
| so i'd have to fiberglass the steering wheel on? is that safe? |
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| lowryder99 |
Umm no, you would have to glass in the deck to work...way more work than ever required to make a stock deck work.
Just sell it back on ebay and buy an aftermarket deck. |
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| gab |
| i'll just make this one work, cuz i want the onstar as well. |
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| Altezza |
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Originally posted by gab
i'll just make this one work, cuz i want the onstar as well.
Haha Barry would laugh at this Gab quit pulling peoples legs haha. |
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| Ravendarat |
| Gab, to install that deck into your truck you need to worry about more than just fitting it. The computer in that truck wont interface with the escalade deck. You will need to install a new computer. I recomend an IBM 486, use a desktop case as its easier to stash under the dash or under the seat if you want to be ambious. DOS 6.2 works well, but dont use 6.0, it wont do data bus :) Also dont use the pink/black wire its for the bose amp. |
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| lowryder99 |
LOL...
Man I kept saying "there is no way this dude is for real"
But I kept trying to keep it civil, when I read "so I need to fibreglass the wheel on" I started to laugh so hard...and after blasting a member today I figured id keep it civil haha...oh well. |
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| gab |
see what boredom does to a guy..........i was waiting for my blasting.........
mabey next time. |
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| superduperjeff |
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Originally posted by lowryder99
You don't "NEED" a special data harness...the trucks have NO data running through the deck, SOME of the newer trucks will show an oil life remaining on the deck but it's very rare that that happens, and even if it does the same data is sent to the DIC on the cluster. You only need that harness on high end gm products like the cadilac cars etc..etc..
So if you don't have "bose or onstar" don't waste the 150 bucks, just buy an 03 harness and use that (15 bucks compared to 150 haha), you will lose your door chime and that's it...(and that's a good thing)
you are an idiot,for posting that comment,all 03 and up gm trucks use a class2 data bus for the major electronic components,just because your retarded cousin did it doesnt mean that it is the proper way to do it,let the guy do it right and leave your unprofessional opinion in your brain where it and 2+2 belong.i am so sick of people commenting on these forums that dont know fuck all about anything,and yes i do know more than probably 99.9% of the people on this forum because i am a professional with the paperwork and the skill to back it up.if you dont believe me call ,alpine,pioneer phoenix gold,denon and mb quart as i have built demo vehicles at one time or another for them. |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by superduperjeff
you are an idiot,for posting that comment,all 03 and up gm trucks use a class2 data bus for the major electronic components,just because your retarded cousin did it doesnt mean that it is the proper way to do it,let the guy do it right and leave your unprofessional opinion in your brain where it and 2+2 belong.i am so sick of people commenting on these forums that dont know fuck all about anything,and yes i do know more than probably 99.9% of the people on this forum because i am a professional with the paperwork and the skill to back it up.if you dont believe me call ,alpine,pioneer phoenix gold,denon and mb quart as i have built demo vehicles at one time or another for them.
So can you tell me. If I have a stock GM 6 Disc Changer and want to put a DVD deck into my vehicle is their a way of retaining the stock changer? |
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| shawley |
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Originally posted by stealth
So can you tell me. If I have a stock GM 6 Disc Changer and want to put a DVD deck into my vehicle is their a way of retaining the stock changer?
depending on the dash u can add it in a different spot
a customer at my work had a shop in ft mac do that with his clarion indash
they put the clarion indash dvd below in the middle of the dash and had the factory deck still hooked up |
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| Ravendarat |
quote:
Originally posted by shawley
depending on the dash u can add it in a different spot
a customer at my work had a shop in ft mac do that with his clarion indash
they put the clarion indash dvd below in the middle of the dash and had the factory deck still hooked up
He asked me about this before and if I remember right he said he had a stand alone factory 6 disc aside from the main control unit in the dash. I told him that I didnt know of an adapter on the market to interface with it, but there could very well be one I dont know about. Do you guys have anything at your shop for him? |
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| stealth |
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Originally posted by Ravendarat
He asked me about this before and if I remember right he said he had a stand alone factory 6 disc aside from the main control unit in the dash. I told him that I didnt know of an adapter on the market to interface with it, but there could very well be one I dont know about. Do you guys have anything at your shop for him?
Thats right. I have my stock double din unit. And way below it, completely separate from it, I have the 6-Disc Cd Changer. |
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| superduperjeff |
| no you will not be able to use you factory 6 disc with an aftermarket head unit,they speak totally different languages,it would be possible to have an electronics engineer build an interface but the cost would be in the thousands of dollars.just call gm and order the console piece with the little pocket in it to replace the 6 disc location.put in an alpine w205 and add the blackbird 200 for the nav and away you go,call me at "THE SHOP" 477-7699 and i can let you know what options i can provide for you,what i have may not be your cup of tea but i feel that it is better to have all of the info in order to make a confident consumer decision that you will not get the famed buyers remorse in 2 days. |
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| stealth |
| Thanks for the info.:thumbup: |
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| shawley |
quote:
Originally posted by Ravendarat
He asked me about this before and if I remember right he said he had a stand alone factory 6 disc aside from the main control unit in the dash. I told him that I didnt know of an adapter on the market to interface with it, but there could very well be one I dont know about. Do you guys have anything at your shop for him?
no we don't really have anything
the only factory gm stuff we really intergrate with is say putting in a indash dvd player like an AVIC-Z2 and connecting it to the factory overhead flip down in he back |
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| lowryder99 |
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Originally posted by superduperjeff
you are an idiot,for posting that comment,all 03 and up gm trucks use a class2 data bus for the major electronic components,just because your retarded cousin did it doesnt mean that it is the proper way to do it,let the guy do it right and leave your unprofessional opinion in your brain where it and 2+2 belong.i am so sick of people commenting on these forums that dont know fuck all about anything,and yes i do know more than probably 99.9% of the people on this forum because i am a professional with the paperwork and the skill to back it up.if you dont believe me call ,alpine,pioneer phoenix gold,denon and mb quart as i have built demo vehicles at one time or another for them.
Are you effed in the head????
Read my LINK on the GM FORUM....guys who know A LOT more than you and who can "wire and build" circles around you. Guys with REAL shops that do actual custom installs, not some little bullshit shop on 97th.
Tell me what Databus signals run through the radio on GM TRUCKS. I used to work at southgate and got to play with all the wiring....care to see a wiring schematic of the trucks radio harneses? 95% percent of them say databus n/a. I can show you the list of cars that has databus running through it but I can gurantee you won't come across any of the trucks that do (and like mentioned on the gm forum the REAL installer has seen maybe ONE or two and even then...it was an oil life monitor that still plays on the dic...so if he uses the "special" harness where would he now read that oil life readout?. But please tell me since you are so knowledgeble on the subject....what does the adding the extra harness do with the databus on the decks? What do you lose aside from door chimes? Yea....thought so.
I am sick and tired of guys LIKE YOU pretending you know everything..you work at "the shop" hahah enough said, don't play yourself off as some bigtime professional because you got your mail out certificate.....Ive seen the work that the "toy shop" has done in the past...you don't know who I am so don't pretend you do. Want me to drop off some wiring diagrams at your work so you boys don't have to install crap that's not needed because I would be glad to. Maybe it's because you are "such" a pro you can't even figure out some real wiring aside from using harnesses.
Put some pics up of your "Custom" work and I can show some of mine....I know my shit, I wish I could spend more time on here b.s'ing with a wannabe.
PS. I remember you now from dropsicles shows...explains a lot. |
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| superduperjeff |
hey fuckhead i have been doing this for 18 years and if you have a problem with me proving you wrong then come down and i will show you a gm wiring diagram from the mitchell manuals,an 05 gm truck is class 2 data,period,dont attack me or my shop ,if you really worked at southgate i will phone jamie and ask him about you,my guess is that there is a reason that you dont work there any more.i am done with this fuckin forum and all of the dumb cunts that dont know shit.
moderator please remove my name and all info.
and if you slam my shop ,i will sick my lawyer on you,and if you have a problem with the dropsicles say why,dont be a loser because you drive a POS and we all have nice cars. |
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| superduperjeff |
actually that was a bad vent,sorry to all that read this ,i withdraw my previous comments,this guy is obviously the best installer in canada and i know shit so i am withdrawing from the 780 tuners forum.
good bye |
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| Ravendarat |
| Basiclly Im not gonna try to stir the pot here but on GM trucks its pretty simple. By removing the factory radio you loose door chimes/warning chimes for things like leaving the lights on if you dont use the auto setting as well as retained acessory power. You arent gonna trip warning lights, screw with the abs system or deactivate the air bags system or whatever other wives tales are floating around, HOWEVER if your any kind of real professional than you would do an install on these vehicles using THE CORRECT parts and that includes the relocation harness or data bus integration module. Just becuase you can do it one way and make the deck work, it still isnt the RIGHT way to do it becuase you are needlessly deactivating a factory system that is put there as a convenience and saftey feature. |
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| superduperjeff |
actually i am totally out of line ,i must apoligize to all on these forums,i have had insomina for about 3 nights and was really bitchy,i had a good sleep last night and realize what an asshole i was,if lowrider wants to use the accessory wire,that is his opinion and that is great,i like the modules because,i like the whole retained accessory power thing,if lowrider wants to come to my shop for a tour i would be happy to have him or shawley or anyone for that matter,i guess that being an older generation installer i tend to be a bit stuborn,and i know that everyone has a right to his or her own opinion.
so again sorry to all for the language and no more posting at night when i need my beauty sleep. |
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| lowryder |
Look,
I had a huge witty reply typed up, pretty rude and to the point...
But I never wanted to start a big ole fashion pissing match. I posted my "opinion" of what I have done and what has worked for me. I have talked to Grant (the wiring guru at southgate) many times about the databus through the decks and when guys used to say the airbags ran through the decks and he was the one who started busting out the wiring schematics showing me different data sources on the different models of vehicles.
In my original post I simply stated that there is no data running through the decks on the pick up trucks, trucks being the key word, I have never come across a GM pick up truck that had the data displayed on the deck like the newer C5 and C6 vettes and the CTS caddy's, and a few other of the higher end GM cars (and some of the buick/pontiac models). I also posted some topics from GM forums which I found to be truthful and guys also sharing the same experiences I have.
Never called anyone names, never said anything rude, simply the fact that I thought the big arse 150 dollar harness was not required unless you wanted to retain door chimes and MOST gm trucks.
Because I stated the aforementioned you reverted to calling me an idiot, that I have a retarded cousin, that I have an unprofessional opinion, I know fuck all about anything etc..etc..
I didn't start this, never pulled the dick card until it was pulled on me. Never claimed to be the greatest installer ever, but I have done my share of work, and would never let any unsafe work leave my garage. |
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| superduperjeff |
you're right,i pulled the dick card first,if you want to come by and meet i would be happy to do so,i can say that on the first gen of sunflowers and grand ams i have done the brown wire
acc hook up and it works great.i guess i am just getting lazy with the module thing.again glad all is well and if you ever need anything or need info let me know,as installers we tend to get all secretive sometimes and it shouldn't be like that.its funny that most installers treat each other like crap.
and yeah i am a dropsicle but all the club members from all clubs can be dicks too.not just us.
and we do quite a bit of custom fiberglass and vinyl work at my shop ,but it is the deck and 2's and the remote starters and alarms that pay the bills.please come by and check out the chevelle before we deliver it to the owner,its about 300 hours of my life gone.
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| lowryder |
I saw the chevelle at the show, it was absolutely beautiful work to say the least. I was eating a little crow after I made my comment and saw that car haha!
I lent my hand on a lot of the glass work on that white reg cab long box chevy truck on air (with the all hand formed copper glass dash as well as rear panels etc..etc..) as well as my own glass work on my own personal truck.
Anyways, I think it was just a misunderstanding. I wasn't saying anyone was lazy using the harness or anything like that. I won't question that it is the "correct" way to do it, I just think for the guy who wants to save a hundred bucks and all he will lose is doorchimes and rap why not right?
The harness is the "right" way I just don't think doing it the other way is "wrong" persay...if it posed a safety risk or deactivated an important part of the vehicle that I would never reccomend it.
Id love to actually check out the shop and b.s about how funny internet squables are one day with yah!
Have a good one!:beer: |
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