| dc2696 |
| I just finished reading the flame wars with some sti user in speak..local law enforcement and after eggy (contacting?) banning his isp or something it got me thinkin, what is isp? some one said it was your ablity to surf or something(internet service provider)but what is that?, anyway if its the same for every computer..., I only log on at skool and i was wondering if some here started flamming and u shut him down would i go down to cuz i use the same computer? maybe a dumb question but i was just curious if i'd have to beat some one down b4 they got me banned to. |
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| H22_TURBO |
| yes i need some info on this too ;) |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
An ISP (Internet Service Provider) would be a company that delivers the high speed internet (or dial up) to your home.
In effect, they are PIS... Providing Internet Service.
If you 're from a school, to solve the situation, contacting the school and working with the admins there, narrowing down the search is easy.
I won't detail it too much hear but it can be done, rather easily I might add.
An example of this would be say a slanderous email from Hotmail was sent out that could really do some damage, but was totally false from a classroom.
I can track it down to the user and they will suffer the consequences.
Everything has a record of it no matter what network you are on and unless you have access to "cover your tracks" expect to get caught if you're doing something wrong.
IP's can be banned from the V8less server.
When I contact the ISP, whatever actiosn they decide to take is up to them, I just make suggestions, ie. Suspended accounts, fines, etc. you get the idea.
With the right tools, it's easy to uncover the bad people.
If you don't have my attention, that's ok, but read my sig :) |
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| MightyMidget |
kick the trolls asses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| mrprecidia |
| you must admit they do provide some entertainment untill they are givin the boot. |
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| dc2696 |
| true,its always fun to shut down flamers with inteliegentt and not badd lanuage :D :P |
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| redbaron303 |
I think all these flamers are like 10years old and just learning how to read..... hahahahahahaha... let alone drive.
Meh oh well. Entertaining for a bit, yes... It's the personal attacks though, doesn't matter who it's being done to, it's just not cool. I know everyone does it once in a while, and most of us that go back and forth at each other know each other... Ie: Chromedragon, schlong69, me, rezarex, etc... :) What's the sense in joining a board or making a new account on that board to go after somebody??? That takes "no-life" talent, imo. |
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| mrprecidia |
| and I have noticed theylike to go after you more often then not chris ;) |
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| redbaron303 |
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Originally posted by mrprecidia@Jun 6 2003, 12:18 PM
and I have noticed theylike to go after you more often then not chris ;)
It's true.... Some people are just sad, and if they have to go after a forum member they've never met... well I dunno???
It really doesn't bother me, b/c they're just people on the net afterall and majority of the "flamers" I haven't met. |
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| MiniMan |
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Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Jun 6 2003, 10:24 AM
An ISP (Internet Service Provider) would be a company that delivers the high speed internet (or dial up) to your home.
In effect, they are PIS... Providing Internet Service.
If you 're from a school, to solve the situation, contacting the school and working with the admins there, narrowing down the search is easy.
I won't detail it too much hear but it can be done, rather easily I might add.
An example of this would be say a slanderous email from Hotmail was sent out that could really do some damage, but was totally false from a classroom.
I can track it down to the user and they will suffer the consequences.
Everything has a record of it no matter what network you are on and unless you have access to "cover your tracks" expect to get caught if you're doing something wrong.
IP's can be banned from the V8less server.
When I contact the ISP, whatever actiosn they decide to take is up to them, I just make suggestions, ie. Suspended accounts, fines, etc. you get the idea.
With the right tools, it's easy to uncover the bad people.
If you don't have my attention, that's ok, but read my sig :)
Nothing like sending a flamer a photo of his house and telling him not to come back eh :P . The information you can find out from and IP address is pretty unbelievable; just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you're invincible.
Even if you think you know something about being anonymous, chances are you don't. As I've said before, there will always be someone bigger, better, faster, stronger and smarter than you.
Well that's my rant and BlueTurbo :bigthumbup: . Maybe one day I'll show you my way of having fun with flamers B) lol.
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| Helios |
quote:
Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Jun 6 2003, 11:24 AM
If you 're from a school, to solve the situation, contacting the school and working with the admins there, narrowing down the search is easy.
I won't detail it too much hear but it can be done, rather easily I might add.
An example of this would be say a slanderous email from Hotmail was sent out that could really do some damage, but was totally false from a classroom.
I can track it down to the user and they will suffer the consequences.
Everything has a record of it no matter what network you are on and unless you have access to "cover your tracks" expect to get caught if you're doing something wrong.
IP's can be banned from the V8less server.
Hmm.. Im not too sure about the school factor. Too many ppl using different systems at diff times. And besides, Im not too sure that the ISP would tell you that it was coming from a school. They would deal with it themselves. As for the "hotmail", that is a total anonymous email program that can be logged on by any system in the world. Have to contact "spamabuse@hotmail.com" to let them know and they will shut it down. It is a good thing that MODS or IRCOPS can ban ISP's and idiots, but unfortunetly, some do know how to spoof their IP's.
But hey, ^Sti^ deserved it, he was in one action :gay: |
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| colossus |
| Can't we all get along? :mellow: |
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| MiniMan |
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Originally posted by Helios@Jun 6 2003, 03:20 PM
Hmm.. Im not too sure about the school factor. Too many ppl using different systems at diff times. And besides, Im not too sure that the ISP would tell you that it was coming from a school. They would deal with it themselves. As for the "hotmail", that is a total anonymous email program that can be logged on by any system in the world. Have to contact "spamabuse@hotmail.com" to let them know and they will shut it down. It is a good thing that MODS or IRCOPS can ban ISP's and idiots, but unfortunetly, some do know how to spoof their IP's.
But hey, ^Sti^ deserved it, he was in one action :gay:
It's not hard to tell if you have the IP address of an edu (school). Often a simple whois will do the trick. As for hotmail... in every hotmail message you send, your ip address (or sometimes the nearest router) can be found in the header of the e-mail. True anyone can use the account, but you can almost always know where that "anyone" is :D . About spoofing your ip... true you can surf all over the net with a proxy. But sometimes proxies have another word attached to them; "logs." As well you can easily tell if the person is on a proxy by scanning the ip (or a simple whois). If flamers catch on to that... v8less.com can restrict people who are on a proxy from viewing the website :bigthumbup: .
As I've said before, there will always be someone bigger, better, faster, stronger and smarter than you. You can always get beat. :ph34r:
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by Helios@Jun 6 2003, 07:06 PM
true :bigthumbup:
someone please........... <_< :fruit:
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| SplineZ |
haha.. I used to work for a "large" isp here. It was ALWAYS good fun to call them listen to them play dumb, and then when you bring out the proof they stfu :)
Email headers usually contain the sender userid, time, "originating ip address", the smtp route it took, and sometimes the authenicated user. With this information its quite easy to narrow down who was using the computer at the time.
Blocking people that use a proxy for accessing the net isnt really.. a good way to do things. Some people are FORCED thru a proxy, its quite easy to do and i know of a few isp's that do that.... bandwidth costs money, specially upstream, so what ever they can do to lower the useage, they will do..
ISP's dont really like it when you portscan their servers.. but if their large enough they wont even notice..
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| scooby_dooby |
quote:
Originally posted by BlueTurboEGG@Jun 6 2003, 10:24 AM
An ISP (Internet Service Provider) would be a company that delivers the high speed internet (or dial up) to your home.
In effect, they are PIS... Providing Internet Service.
If you 're from a school, to solve the situation, contacting the school and working with the admins there, narrowing down the search is easy.
I won't detail it too much hear but it can be done, rather easily I might add.
An example of this would be say a slanderous email from Hotmail was sent out that could really do some damage, but was totally false from a classroom.
I can track it down to the user and they will suffer the consequences.
Everything has a record of it no matter what network you are on and unless you have access to "cover your tracks" expect to get caught if you're doing something wrong.
IP's can be banned from the V8less server.
When I contact the ISP, whatever actiosn they decide to take is up to them, I just make suggestions, ie. Suspended accounts, fines, etc. you get the idea.
With the right tools, it's easy to uncover the bad people.
If you don't have my attention, that's ok, but read my sig :)
didn't read the entire post but thought i'd add a little more,
#1 if you're at a school using a generic login, there's nothing they can do. they don't know who you are, period. that goesfor posting on message boards, email's obviously different.
#2 ip's can be banned, but ip's can also be changed very easily. only cable modem's have static ip's(doesn't change ever) but even those can be changed easily enough by contacting your ISP(shaw).
that's the reality, the admin's have some power but at the same time, it is quite easy to get around their methods. after all it's the internet, if someone wants to be here they can be here, they'll find a way. |
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by scooby_dooby@Jun 9 2003, 10:30 AM
#2 ip's can be banned, but ip's can also be changed very easily. only cable modem's have static ip's(doesn't change ever) but even those can be changed easily enough by contacting your ISP(shaw).
Cable modems do not have static ips unless perchased from shaw for $$$
Your ip is based on your mac address.. so if you have the same mac addr, you get the same ip addr... It wont change until they do upgrades, or they clear it from the router.
You can change this thru windows SOMETIMES, if your card supports it or not.. but the "legit" way to do it is to phone shaw and ask them to change your ip..
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| redbaron303 |
| and by that point there has been a complaint made to your isp by the admins of whatever board notifying them of "potential abuse" or whatever... |
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| Z3r03rr0r |
| James I know you used to work for shaw so you have a pretty good idea about that, but the ip on the cable modems is not actually there. the cable modem has a MAC adress that is non changeable unless you do a firmware update, the ip address is actually set to the computer through the NIC which also carries a MAC address if you want a new ip address you can release it and then power cycle your modem and then renew the address. I could go a lot more indepth than this but I don't see a need for it. |
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| redbaron303 |
| I change our ip addy lots cause this friggin computer keeps screwing up along w/ our isp and that's what they tell us to do to fix it... ;) |
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| Z3r03rr0r |
k I will try this again last post tiemd out.
Chris if you want to give me some more info bout your PC I can try to give you some tips to tweak it and make it more stable |
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| redbaron303 |
| uhm..... It's an hp.... hell I don't even know what model, etc.... it was freeeeeeeeeeeeeee :) And we have telus adsl internet, cd burner, dvd player, measily 128mb ram (it's mb right??)... awe, it's sooooo old now... like only a couple years and it seems stone age. |
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| Z3r03rr0r |
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It's an hp
that's the first problem, I used to tech support for them
what version of windows? |
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by Z3r03rr0r@Jun 9 2003, 11:45 AM
James I know you used to work for shaw so you have a pretty good idea about that, but the ip on the cable modems is not actually there. the cable modem has a MAC adress that is non changeable unless you do a firmware update, the ip address is actually set to the computer through the NIC which also carries a MAC address if you want a new ip address you can release it and then power cycle your modem and then renew the address. I could go a lot more indepth than this but I don't see a need for it.
... When I worked there, no matter how many times you powercycled, you would get the same IP address... it was the same way with videon as it is with shaw.
You'd have to change the Mac address of your ethernet card, thru windows, or ask shaw to get a new ip address.. I should have been more clear in my explanation.
HP's are problematic at best :) Never buy a brand name computer.. get them custom built.. I believe baron is using winme from a previous post.
Telus's support is not that great, anything that they didnt provide, they wont support and they "RTV" (refer to vendor)... Barons computer probly needs a good format, and install a decent OS, win2k or XP... 2k would run better.. XP is really resource intensive.
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| Z3r03rr0r |
| the main problem with trying to upgrade the OS on an HP is the lack of decent driver support, if it is ME then I can do quite a few things to get it running a lot better |
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by Z3r03rr0r@Jun 9 2003, 01:45 PM
the main problem with trying to upgrade the OS on an HP is the lack of decent driver support, if it is ME then I can do quite a few things to get it running a lot better
its not a special version of the operating system to support "just hps".. The onyl problem is finding out WHAT hardware is in there.. That is truely the lame part of "un hp'ing your hp" :) Win2k is pretty good at recognizing most hardware..
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| Z3r03rr0r |
| I'm not saying that I can't make it work like a real computer it is just that hp is lacking in doing driver updates for upgraded OS. the best support is from say ME to XP upgrade |
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| redbaron303 |
I have an HP... and I always get things like "not enough memory" when I have like two msn windows open... or my msn fuzzes up and all the windows blend and you can't see waht the other person was writing, etc... Sometimes programs just don't open and when you cntrl+alt+dlt they come up as not responding.... oh and I'm running Windows ME.
I'm tired of this pos... so I'm saving for a cool lil laptop... :)
Any suggestions on brands??? I've had good experience w/ compaq and Dell.
Maybe we should start a new thread about junk computers and software...?! |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Ok guys try and stay on topic :P
If you wanna talk about how crappy your computers are goto the Copmuters, Games, and Electronics forum. |
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| Z3r03rr0r |
| Chris if you want nay help with your PC or finding a new one PM, Don't mind helping where I can |
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| dc2696 |
| whoa u could have known computers were so complicated????? :o ;) :mellow: :angry: :( :) :wacko: :blink: :unsure: |
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| redbaron303 |
I dunno... I'm hoping I'll get a new computer for school.... B) :fingersx:
And ya computers are complicated and are like junk a year l8tr :( |
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