| Accordoum |
I went out with my friend on Saturday, had a couple of drinks on White ave (2 bud light and 2 rum and coke).
At around 3 o'clock we were going back home.
I didn't feel really good so I went behing this building on white ave, I thought I was going to be sick, right away two By-Law Officer gave me a fine of $500 because they said I was peeing there....
My friend was walking behind those officers, he saw everything and tried to tell them I wasn't peeing but... they said go to court if you want to contest this fine...
What am I suppose to do???
Of cource I'm going to plead not guilty but...can I win??? |
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| seevik |
| had this happen to couple of buddies, except they were pissing, right behind saphire and it was 290$ |
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| shortie |
Go to court.
;)
They probably wont even show up and it will be dismissed, or if they do just have your case ready and hopefully the officers dont lie, and there will be insufficient evidence, etc... plus you have witnesses as well.
Go to the date on your ticket and enter your plea of not guilty and get your court date that will be something like 5 years from now because the court sytem is backed up with retarded cases that dont even belong in court wasting everyone's money... ooo I am bitter lol...
Anyways, I would fight it for sure as it sounds they had absolutely no physical/visual evidence or reason to believe other than how you were standing and didnt investigate it further... - and if it can be concluded that (guessing for bylaw here, not sure exactly) on a balance of probabilities that you werent takin a piss (based on said lack of evidence and your witnesses, etc) then they will have to throw it out.
Plus, it will cause the by-law officers an annoyance as they will have to show up to court, provide a written report any witness statements (if applicable... well his co-worker's report at least) for disclosure and so on. So you will be causing them annoyance in return :cool: which, for me, would give me a little pleasure out of it |
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| ~sanj~ |
| but his witness is a biased witness beacuse it is his friend |
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| Accordoum |
quote:
Originally posted by ~sanj~
but his witness is a biased witness beacuse it is his friend
Thats what I thought. I guess its not even worth it to bring him to court with me? |
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| ~sanj~ |
| anythings worth a shot to save money |
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| anschutz_93 |
| your not really saving much money especially if your bringing a friend along if anyones been to the courts it takes a good 1/2 a day to get anything done. you both would have to take an entire day off work so to most people its not worth it. if your a student though id say go for it miss a couple classes plead your case and say that your a student and would have a hard time paying the fine. it would probably be enough to get your case dismissed. I know someone who went to court for a 50 over ticket and was going to get his licence taken away but he told that he needed his licence to get to schooling so the ticket was reduced and the reckless driving charge was dropped. |
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| shortie |
quote:
Originally posted by Accordoum
Thats what I thought. I guess its not even worth it to bring him to court with me?
anything is worth a shot.
If it is found at trial that there is insufficient evidence (say it was super dark, they never 'investigated' the pee lol) who knows. If you have the time, like others said, do it. 500 bucks is a lot so you have nothing to lose imo. plus it will depend on the disclosure and the by-law dudes reports and statements and so on. I say give'r a go- could go your way... although you were intoxicated (no?) ... but I have seen people discharged from much, much worse with solid incriminating evidence. |
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| Accordoum |
quote:
Originally posted by shortie
anything is worth a shot.
If it is found at trial that there is insufficient evidence (say it was super dark, they never 'investigated' the pee lol) who knows. If you have the time, like others said, do it. 500 bucks is a lot so you have nothing to lose imo. plus it will depend on the disclosure and the by-law dudes reports and statements and so on. I say give'r a go- could go your way... although you were intoxicated (no?) ... but I have seen people discharged from much, much worse with solid incriminating evidence.
I'm millitary so YES I have the time to go there and I'm not going to loose any money for that day...
Also yes I was a little intoxicated (2 bud light and 2 rum and coke) but not that much I know what I was doing. |
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| shortie |
quote:
Originally posted by Accordoum
I'm millitary so YES I have the time to go there and I'm not going to loose any money for that day...
Also yes I was a little intoxicated (2 bud light and 2 rum and coke) but not that much I know what I was doing.
Well, if you have the time and aren't losing money - give'r, my friend! :D
If you are being charged falsely for something you have every right to go and show it. |
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| little_one_der |
And why couldn't you go to the can at the establishment you were at?
No offense or anything, but if you decide to urinate out side when you left a location of a bathroom, you deserve the ticket. |
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| Accordoum |
quote:
Originally posted by little_one_der
And why couldn't you go to the can at the establishment you were at?
No offense or anything, but if you decide to urinate out side when you left a location of a bathroom, you deserve the ticket.
Well if you read my thread you might understand that I didn't do that!!! |
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| 180sxforthewin |
| Fuck that sucks. Stupid bylaw officers. I dunno if you have a chance with this one. Only one way to find out I guess. Bring your freind to court and give that a try too. Ask them for proof i guess:lol: :lol: :lol: |
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| little_one_der |
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Originally posted by Accordoum
... had a couple of drinks on White ave ....
I must have mis-interpreted it... :geezuz:
Unless of course you were walking around with drinks in hand that you carried all the way to Whyte... |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by little_one_der
I must have mis-interpreted it... :geezuz:
Unless of course you were walking around with drinks in hand that you carried all the way to Whyte...
? He's saying that he made it clear in his post that he did not pee in public, not that he didn't have drinks on Whyte Ave. |
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| shortie |
I think ya got a shot... but I am optimistic. And the court system tends to be a crap-shoot with who your judge is, crown, if they bylaw even show up, etc...
Actually you would have a good shot with even a semi-decent lawyer... but then you are losing money in the end :lol: |
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| TrevorK |
I would assume you can get the ticket thrown out.
I would then also assume you can sue the Bylaw Officers/city for charging you with an offence that they clearly had no evidence for and ask for the "lost wages" for the day (As you'll have to take a holiday, sick day, whatever you want to call it to go to court). I'm no lawyer, but I know when a corporation wastes your time you are legally entitled to sue them so I assume the same would be true with a Bylaw Officer if you feel you can prove they did not do their job and targetted you unjustly. |
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| diesekiel |
| Just go back to the scene of the crime and do some urine analysis swabbing with the judge and labrats, to factor yourself out of the equation. |
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| Accordoum |
I can ask the Crown prosecutor's office for "disclosure." Disclosure means I can have copies of all the evidence in your case, such as witness statements and the police officer's notes.
Thats what I'm going to do first that will help me to get a good defence. |
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| shortie |
| Yah, get the disclosure and see, it will have the officer's report/notes and any witness statements as well as a 'will-say' statement if they have a witness they are bringing in (which I highly doubt in these circumstances). Often the disclosure is pretty useless though and vague and not very helpful, but all the more for your case, I suppose. Seriously, though, I would put a wager that if you went to trial (and it will take months.. and months...) that they by-law officers wont even show and it would be dismissed.... happens a lot... Plus, if the Crown goes over the file (which isnt usually until the day before or of the trial) and sees that the case is retarded and there is insufficient evidence then he/she will just dismiss it anyways. |
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| SkiTLz |
quote:
Originally posted by little_one_der
And why couldn't you go to the can at the establishment you were at?
No offense or anything, but if you decide to urinate out side when you left a location of a bathroom, you deserve the ticket.
Fuck i hate it when people post without even reading the thread.. Or even the very first post.. :rolleyes: |
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| little_one_der |
| I did read it, and it reads like we went behind a building to pee. |
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| dtjohnst |
quote:
Originally posted by little_one_der
I did read it, and it reads like we went behind a building to pee.
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| 180sxforthewin |
quote:
Originally posted by little_one_der
I did read it, and it reads like we went behind a building to pee.
He went behind the building to yack, not pee |
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| euro_trash |
quote:
Originally posted by little_one_der
I did read it, and it reads like we went behind a building to pee.
quote:
Originally posted by Accordoum
I didn't feel really good so I went behing this building on white ave, I thought I was going to be sick
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| lukaz |
| you got sick from 2 bud lights and 2 rum and cokes? :beer: |
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| T-LAV MRV |
beer before liquor never been sicker, liquor before beer your in the clear
mike |
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| ~sanj~ |
| beer before liquor for mee |
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| little_one_der |
| And I thought it was Beer before liquor; get drunk quicker. Liquor before beer; you gonna feel queer:dunno: |
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