| sparkycivic |
| so I gets one in the mail. but the only thing on the plate that's legible is the big numbers, and only barely at that. Could I argue that the plate/vehicle might be from another province or state? I'm assuming that they're assuming that the Plate says "alberta" on it, even though it's completely obliterated in the photo sent to me.... |
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| TrevorK |
Were you speeding?
Regardless, the photo rader people most likely have a way to zoom in on the license plate with more clarity than the printout you are given. |
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| sparkycivic |
| that's the zoomed-in part. I honestly don't remember being there at that time, and there's a ton of those kind of vehicle in that color on the road these days. It was a rental, and the rental company forwarded it to me. Although it is a sopt that i drive sometimes, i still think that they should have to prove convincingly that I did something wrong BEFORE I should have to pay for it... a blurry pic isn't all that convincing legally speaking |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by sparkycivic
that's the zoomed-in part. I honestly don't remember being there at that time, and there's a ton of those kind of vehicle in that color on the road these days. It was a rental, and the rental company forwarded it to me. Although it is a sopt that i drive sometimes, i still think that they should have to prove convincingly that I did something wrong BEFORE I should have to pay for it... a blurry pic isn't all that convincing legally speaking
And yet somehow they managed to figure out the plate was yours and get you the ticket? |
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| Ayeso |
| Im pretty sure he said it was a rental car... |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by Ayeso
Im pretty sure he said it was a rental car...
Ok........so substitute "you" with "rental company". Either way.....they obviously weren't confused as to who they caught speeding and they could read everything just fine. |
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| sparkycivic |
the only thing that's visible is the plate number... NOT THE PROVINCE. how hard do they look at the pics when they're making the tickets? would they assume it's alberta, or did they just give me a really shitty copy of a much clearer image?
I've seen a few of these tickets before(i got one like 3 years ago, and a friend's fridge is full of the fuckers), and they are always surprisingly detailed, so I can usually make out the date on the validation sticker... but not this time not even close.
BTW, the rental company has already paid the ticket, so now I am arguing with the rental company...
This is literally what they sent me, scanned at 300 dpi... can YOU tell me that says Alberta somewhere on it?
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| silvia s13 |
Mine looks just like that....im sure they can zoom in to find out where the plate is from.....
I say fight it. Let me know how it works out and i might just do the same:fingersx: |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by sparkycivic
the only thing that's visible is the plate number... NOT THE PROVINCE. how hard do they look at the pics when they're making the tickets? would they assume it's alberta, or did they just give me a really shitty copy of a much clearer image?
I've seen a few of these tickets before(i got one like 3 years ago, and a friend's fridge is full of the fuckers), and they are always surprisingly detailed, so I can usually make out the date on the validation sticker... but not this time not even close.
BTW, the rental company has already paid the ticket, so now I am arguing with the rental company...
This is literally what they sent me, scanned at 300 dpi... can YOU tell me that says Alberta somewhere on it?
I can see the slanty Alberta A. And it is possible they ran the tag without a province through CPIC and found only an Alberta hit.
Either way, the ticket has been paid, so you won't be fighting this in traffic court, this would be done in civil court after you've been sued by the company. Chances are they can afford good lawyers. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by sparkycivic
This is literally what they sent me, scanned at 300 dpi... can YOU tell me that says Alberta somewhere on it?
The plate number you have is probably unique to Alberta.
As well, I agree with Darren in that if you look at the design of the plate you can tell it's Alberta. |
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| sparkycivic |
| the rental co legal chick sounded like a real ditz. I don't think she's got the attention span to deal with this... |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by sparkycivic
the rental co legal chick sounded like a real ditz. I don't think she's got the attention span to deal with this...
The rental company has every right to bill you, it's in the agreement.
So if the person you're dealing with doesn't want to deal with you, your only option is court (As the rental company has already payed the radar ticket and I assume billed you/your credit card). |
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| sparkycivic |
| they sent me a bill, plus $30 service charge. They're definitely gonna have to do better to convince me that I did something wrong... I've asked them to send me a better picture, because they said what they sent me was a photocopy. they said they don't own a scanner which could have been used to make a high quality copy for me to see. I might as well just drive to their office in Calgary and look at their copy for myself. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by sparkycivic
they sent me a bill, plus $30 service charge. They're definitely gonna have to do better to convince me that I did something wrong... I've asked them to send me a better picture, because they said what they sent me was a photocopy. they said they don't own a scanner which could have been used to make a high quality copy for me to see. I might as well just drive to their office in Calgary and look at their copy for myself.
Yeah, that'll be cheaper than paying the fines. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by sparkycivic
they sent me a bill, plus $30 service charge. They're definitely gonna have to do better to convince me that I did something wrong... I've asked them to send me a better picture, because they said what they sent me was a photocopy. they said they don't own a scanner which could have been used to make a high quality copy for me to see. I might as well just drive to their office in Calgary and look at their copy for myself.
In the rental agreements I've signed it states that I am responsible for any/all tickets that are given to my rental. I would assume if you choose not to pay the ticket they will either:
a) Bill your credit card (Which they do for items such as damage, so this is easily within their realm)
b) Send to collections
c) Ignore it/you
Why are you making this so hard on everyone when you know it was you? |
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| sparkycivic |
i'm making it this hard because:
1: I don't remember being there at that time, so it might still be possible that I'm completely innocent
2: they should be making better effort than a blurry, vague picture, to make me pay a penalty
3: you're not helping to answer my question, therfore, quit being a douche and just leave this thread alone. If you don't have any insight into the process of processing the images, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO POST IN THIS THREAD! Everything you have said up to this point is either repeating information that i have already stated, or should already know... or it's blatant stupidity.
Back on topic...
My habit is to drive 10 over anywhere I go. being told I am caught for 15 over means either I broke my habit(somewhat likely), or it's someone else(equally likely). After half a million KM's, a habit gets pretty entrenched. I USED to get lots of tickets until my research determined that 10 over was something i would never get a ticket for. |
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| TrevorK |
Facts:
- We can make out the exact numbers/letters on the license plate
- We can make out an Alberta symbol on the plate
- We know what date/time this was taken (Which is when you had the rental)
What we don't know:
- Whether that plate number matches the plate number of the vehicle you rented (You haven't told us that yet)
Provided that the plate number on the vehicle matches the vehicle you rented all the evidence is in place to point to the fact that the ticket was issued while the car was in your care. There is no doubt, no grey area at this point.
You can attempt to argue all you want about it "not being clear", but another poster besides myself has already been able to make out the Alberta plate from the scan. If the plate number matches the number of your rental, and the date/time coincides with the date/time the car was in your hands then I don't see the problem.
Everyone makes mistakes are you someone exempt from that? |
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| dtjohnst |
Actually.....it seems to me you've been informed by several people that it's clearly an Alberta plate, which was the basis of your question. Also, this isn't a matter of "is this a fair photo radar ticket", because as I've stated the company has already paid it.
This is a civil matter. If you don't like the results, you can take them to court, or ignore it and they can take you to court. Either way, this has nothing to do with whether or not that ticket would be upheld by the state, you haven't even seen the actual ticket itself, you're basing everything on a photocopy.
It seems to me you're just being pissy because you aren't getting the answer you want.
In either case. I'm done with this thread. I've told you my opinion as has Trevor. Debate and disagree with us all you want, but our opinion that you should suck it up and pay the ticket and that you don't have a leg to stand on legally speaking isn't about to change.
Hopefully someone will come along and give you the answer you want. Try Skitlz. He'll disagree with anything I say. |
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| Unregistered |
Looks like a Discount rental,
as for your ticket, if you were the the sole renter at the time of the photo, you are liable for the penalty, the fact that you cant read the province is no matter. No Plate will be the same. The car could be from BC, Alberta, Ontario, but the plate will stay on that specific car no matter what province it was rented in. Each car is registered to a specific City.
G-53369 will only be used by 1 rental company in 1 province at any given time. When the car is over X ammount of kms, it will be sold and the plate will be transfered to a differant Car. Even then, the plate wont be used again for a year.
I'm afraid you'll have to pay the ticket, or it will go to collections.
If you claim that you were not driving the car, then hope you had a secondary driver on your contract and make him/her pay for it, otherwise you are responsible. |
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| BLOCKER |
the photo they send you is a scanned copy of the orginal. the orginal is taken on film and is very clear.
If you want to see the orginal, you have to go on your court date, plead not guilty and set a trial date. you will have the ability to view the photos on the court date.
also, if your court date does not work for you, you can always write a letter or go down to the court house before the date and set a trial date.
in any event, the car you were driving was speeding. your best bet is to go down to the court house, ask to speak to the prosecutor (early dispute resolution) be very polite, wear nice clothes, and he may reduce the fine for you. (you will catch more bees with honey) but if he doesn't there is not much you can do other then waste a morning, miss work and argue a very weak case.
Also, this is only a photo radar ticket, you will not be penalized with demrits, it is only a fine.
In any event, keep in mind, the commish who was operating the photo radar van was only doing a job and enforcing laws which your elected officals enacted. In other words vote!
hope this helps. |
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| dtjohnst |
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Originally posted by BLOCKER
the photo they send you is a scanned copy of the orginal. the orginal is taken on film and is very clear.
If you want to see the orginal, you have to go on your court date, plead not guilty and set a trial date. you will have the ability to view the photos on the court date.
also, if your court date does not work for you, you can always write a letter or go down to the court house before the date and set a trial date.
in any event, the car you were driving was speeding. your best bet is to go down to the court house, ask to speak to the prosecutor (early dispute resolution) be very polite, wear nice clothes, and he may reduce the fine for you. (you will catch more bees with honey) but if he doesn't there is not much you can do other then waste a morning, miss work and argue a very weak case.
Also, this is only a photo radar ticket, you will not be penalized with demrits, it is only a fine.
In any event, keep in mind, the commish who was operating the photo radar van was only doing a job and enforcing laws which your elected officals enacted. In other words vote!
hope this helps.
No court date, the company already paid. |
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| sparkycivic |
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Originally posted by dtjohnst
No court date, the company already paid.
You are correct. Now it's between me and the rental co. they told me that was the best copy they had, even theirs was blurry. |
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| SilverZ24 |
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Originally posted by Unregistered
as for your ticket, if you were the the sole renter at the time of the photo, you are liable for the penalty, the fact that you cant read the province is no matter. No Plate will be the same. The car could be from BC, Alberta, Ontario, but the plate will stay on that specific car no matter what province it was rented in. Each car is registered to a specific City.
G-53369 will only be used by 1 rental company in 1 province at any given time. When the car is over X ammount of kms, it will be sold and the plate will be transfered to a differant Car. Even then, the plate wont be used again for a year.
That is all correct except that the plate can be transfered right away to another vehicle within the rental companies fleet. No need to wait a year. If that was the case, rental companies would constantly be sitting on hundreds of plates they couldn't use.
As for the original poster. Quit being so pathetic. You rented a car and signed a contract. The rental contract shows the vehicle, vin, plate number and the dates you had the car. So you obviously had the car on that day of the ticket so it is obviously your responsibility.
Rental companies have no choice but to pay tickets right away because if they don't, they can't renew plates or get registration on any new cars. Even small rental companies buy several new cars a day so that isn't an option for them. They pay the ticket immediately and proceed to collect from the person that had the rental that day and who signed a contract saying they were responsible for any traffic tickets on the vehicle while in their possession.
Stop acting like a whiny teenage bitch and man up and pay the fine. If you don't, the rental company will have this on your credit report soon enough. |
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