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| Mekanik22 |
This may be a retarded question, but if you do a burnout in a AWD car (A WRX for example) will all 4 tires smoke? If not, which ones? Can you do donuts easier/as easy as a RWD? Thanks guys.
EDIT: No I don't planning on doing this stunting, I've just been wondering for awhile. |
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| 2003specv |
| Do a search on Kazaa for the twin engine Tiburon that was in Sport Compact Car's Ultimate Street Car Challenge :bigthumbup: |
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| Z3r03rr0r |
donuts = easier in a RWD, or a FWD in reverse
an AWD burnout will vary dependant on the LSD that the car is running if any |
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| Mekanik22 |
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Originally posted by Z3r03rr0r@Jun 10 2003, 03:51 PM
an AWD burnout will vary dependant on the LSD that the car is running if any
So it is possible to smoke all 4 tires at once? |
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| import_3000 |
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Originally posted by 2003specv@Jun 10 2003, 03:36 PM
Do a search on Kazaa for the twin engine Tiburon that was in Sport Compact Car's Ultimate Street Car Challenge :bigthumbup:
twin engine tiburon? dayyam, that must be sweet, im gonna go check it out |
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| import_3000 |
omg, just saw a video on it, and it is amazing, it makes 600 hp. 300 on one engine and 300 on the other, 10 seconds in the quarter. i saw it do axis spins too, that is crazy. They are both 2.0 L turbo engines, i think i just creamed myself looking at that thing.
Twin Engine Tiburon |
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| colossus |
OMG that Tib video sent shivers down my spine. That is how Tibs should be made, instead of the wimpy stock engines.
Some observations:
- the male passenger w/ the necklace in the video looks like a woman.
- why would that guy burn out a completely good set of tyres. Man what a waste! :wacko: |
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| Z3r03rr0r |
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So it is possible to smoke all 4 tires at once?
it definately is possible for an awd car to do a burnout with all 4 tires |
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| import_3000 |
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Originally posted by colossus@Jun 10 2003, 05:13 PM
OMG that Tib video sent shivers down my spine. That is how Tibs should be made, instead of the wimpy stock engines.
Some observations:
- the male passenger w/ the necklace in the video looks like a woman.
- why would that guy burn out a completely good set of tyres. Man what a waste! :wacko:
hes got money to burn |
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| Mekanik22 |
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Originally posted by Z3r03rr0r@Jun 10 2003, 05:42 PM
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So it is possible to smoke all 4 tires at once?
it definately is possible for an awd car to do a burnout with all 4 tires
Sweet, that would be one burnout to see!! Thanks guys. |
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| 83b18b1slow |
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Originally posted by colossus@Jun 10 2003, 05:13 PM
OMG that Tib video sent shivers down my spine. That is how Tibs should be made, instead of the wimpy stock engines.
Some observations:
- the male passenger w/ the necklace in the video looks like a woman.
- why would that guy burn out a completely good set of tyres. Man what a waste! :wacko:
About the guy that looks like a woman.
That was SCC "grandma" test.
About general road driving & comfort.
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| TurboTony |
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So it is possible to smoke all 4 tires at once?
Yes B)
But it's usually followed by a very rapid acceleration...
Here's a awd doughnut vid, I think I posted it once before.
http://www.sportmachines.com/videos/donut[1].mpeg
Copy and paste the link, damn thing won't work right any other way.
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| SplineZ |
Well heres what it kinda looks like on a vehicle.. 2 pages from the JTR v8 conversion manual :)
Not really a burnout perse... but they have all 4 tires smoking :)
James Z |
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| colossus |
| That pic is hilarious, I can tell by the hair and clothes that it was from the 80's. The girl with the tool seems to have NO NECK, just like the girl from Dixie chicks, anyone notice she has no neck too? Just like the odd seagull at Hawreluk park. :) |
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| little_one_der |
| Let me go change my shorts... then I'll come back and make a witty remark. :bow: |
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by colossus@Jun 10 2003, 09:21 PM
That pic is hilarious, I can tell by the hair and clothes that it was from the 80's. The girl with the tool seems to have NO NECK, just like the girl from Dixie chicks, anyone notice she has no neck too? Just like the odd seagull at Hawreluk park. :)
The book was actually published in 2001.. I think they did that as a joke for the magazine it was in :)
I like how they "Chained it to an unmoveable object, a one-one dualy crewcab pickup"... Too bad the 305 in my blazer didnt have more balls, it would have been soo awsome then :)
James Z |
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| BlueTurboEGG |
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Originally posted by import_3000@Jun 10 2003, 06:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by colossus@Jun 10 2003, 05:13 PM
OMG that Tib video sent shivers down my spine. That is how Tibs should be made, instead of the wimpy stock engines.
Some observations:
- the male passenger w/ the necklace in the video looks like a woman.
- why would that guy burn out a completely good set of tyres. Man what a waste! :wacko:
hes got money to burn
Quite literally, that thing runs on Alcohol...
Is that Jon Bon Jovi in the 90's working on a Blazer?!... |
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| Z3r03rr0r |
| the problem with that Tib is lac of proper intercooling, as well the owner is a bit of a jackass he apparently chases down croth rockets for fun |
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| BlueSpanishShark |
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Originally posted by colossus@Jun 10 2003, 05:13 PM
OMG that Tib video sent shivers down my spine._ That is how Tibs should be made, instead of the wimpy stock engines._
Some observations:_
- the male passenger w/ the necklace in the video looks like a woman.
- why would that guy burn out a completely good set of tyres._ Man what a waste! :wacko:
Hey guys I'm new to the forums but I been reading your forums for the past 2 months. Anyway...saw this post and I thought I might let you know little more about the Tiburon your talking about. If you care to learn about it, knowing it's a Hyundai and all! :rolleyes: lol
The person is Michael McIntyre and he owns Dragon Fabrication in El Paso, Texas. I think he sold the shop and now it's a dealership for Hyundai. Although rumors are that he will re-open the shop. Now saying the stock engines of a Tiburon is wimpy, just to let you know, those engines are completely stock internally right from the Hyundai factory.
The turbo chargers run with methanol injection. This cools the intake charge so they do not need an intercooler, or as large of an intercooler...and also adds octane to the air/fuel mixture.
This is how he runs the two engines. The two engines are only connected via throttle linkages and tranny gear selection linkages. The Front engine drives the front wheels like normal, and the rear engine drives the rear wheels.
This set up works great for a drag car, but Unless you have a handy supply of Methanol, it doesn't work out too well for a street legal application. :blink: |
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| HKSpowers |
| Thats COOL!! :bow: |
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| Badazz |
| You cant spin all four tires!!! the truck you have a picture of is a 4 wheel drive not awd. two totale diffrent things. do a search on how awd works and then do a search on how 4x4 work then get back to the forum. |
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by Badazz@Jun 12 2003, 06:57 AM
You cant spin all four tires!!! the truck you have a picture of is a 4 wheel drive not awd. two totale diffrent things. do a search on how awd works and then do a search on how 4x4 work then get back to the forum.
ok then tell that to marcin who ran the 11.95 se 1/4 at bud park with his eagle talon.......cause I was on the start line and almost everyrun I saw he was spinnign ALL 4 tires when he launched!!!! and it is possible with AWD>
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| Badazz |
the awd system cant put power to all tires. only two at a time. " transfers power from the wheels that slip, to the wheels that grip" unless he has a locked cluppler that is the only way it would work.
to know this you must understand how the system works. |
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by Badazz@Jun 12 2003, 05:57 AM
You cant spin all four tires!!! the truck you have a picture of is a 4 wheel drive not awd. two totale diffrent things. do a search on how awd works and then do a search on how 4x4 work then get back to the forum.
Right... but as I said in my post.. "Not really a burnout perse... but they have all 4 tires smoking"
Just so everybody could SEE what it looks like..
and BTW, I have also seen ALL 4 TIRES spin in an awd vehicle...
the awd system works by transfering upto 60% (I think also depends on the vehicle) of the power to the rear tires and the rest to the front.. If there is ENOUGH power to OVERCOME the availible GRIP, then all 4 tires will spin..
James Z |
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by SplineZ@Jun 12 2003, 11:20 AM
If there is ENOUGH power to OVERCOME the availible GRIP, then all 4 tires will spin..
James Z
and BINGO was his nameo
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by Badazz@Jun 12 2003, 10:54 AM
the awd system cant put power to all tires. only two at a time. " transfers power from the wheels that slip, to the wheels that grip" unless he has a locked cluppler that is the only way it would work.
to know this you must understand how the system works.
thats why cars like the Subaru STi and the Mitsu EVO can spin all 4 tires right??? please man.......its just like when I spin my 4 tires in winter with my impreza....the tires over come any or no grip and spin.....ALL O' THEM
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| BlueTurboEGG |
I'm reminded of the Apex-i Skyline in Japan...
<click> (no power going to the fronts) BUUUUUUURRRRRRRRNN!!!...
<click> (Power going to the front and back) BBWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!...
4 wheel burnouts are truly awesome to behold... Power overcomes everything :) |
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| Badazz |
| but not all tires are spinning all at once. as one tire starts to spin the torque is transferd through the viscous cluppler to one that is moving slower, once that tire starts spin the transfer hapens again. and again and again, this is how awd works. when i was in ont. we put my subaru up on stands and tryed this out, you cant transfer the power to more then two tires. it does not mater wich two. |
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| Badazz |
read and learn, When a car is braking or going down hill, weight transfers forward reducing rear traction. When accelerating or going uphill weight transfers toward the rear, reducing front traction. In all cases, Subaru AWD responds by transferring power from the wheels that slip to the wheels that grip.
Subaru AWD delivers power to all four wheels. If the front wheels start slipping on a slick surface, their power is instantly redirected to the rear wheels.
If the rear wheels slip their power is transferred to the front wheels. Whether you're braking, accelerating or cornering, traction is there when you need it.
with the diff added in to this you will louse grip on one tire and the power will transfer the one that is spinning.
The design of the Haldex LSC is based on a Swedish patent acquired by the Haldex Group.
The unique design of the Haldex LSC comprises three functional parts
- The hydraulic pump driven by
- the slip between the
- axles/wheels.
- The wet multi-plate clutch
- The controllable throttle valve
- with its electronics.
The unit can be viewed as a hydraulic pump in which the housing and an annular piston are connected to one shaft and a piston actuator is connected to the other.
The two shafts are connected via the wet multi-plate clutch pack, normally unloaded and thus transferring no torque between the shafts.
When both shafts are rotating at the same speed, there is no pumping action. When a speed difference occurs, the pumping starts immediately to generate oil flow. It is a piston pump, so there is a virtually instant reaction with no low-speed pumping loss.
The oil flows to a clutch piston, compressing the clutch pack and braking the speed difference between the axles. The oil returns to the reservoir via a controllable valve, which adjusts the oil pressure and the force on the clutch package.
In traction/high slip conditions, a high pressure is delivered: in tight curves (i.e. parking), or at high speeds - a much lower pressure is provided. |
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| MightyMidget |
shakes head.....somepeople
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| MiniMan |
That article makes it sound like all of the tires get equal (or there abouts) power distrobution until one or more of them lose traction wherein the others then receive it.
Doesn't really change anything though... On Kazaa search for "Audi A4 (amazing AWD axis spins)". One word, PIMPED. :ph34r:
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| SplineZ |
Ripped from wrx.ca
"Unlike some 4wd systems that only power the front or rear wheels, Subaru's symmetrical full-time AWD system can power all four wheels. The different Subaru AWD Systems are matched to each vehicles character. A 60% Front and 40% rear torque transfer on our basic system prioritizes saftey, while a 36% front 64% rear torque transfer on our STI helps maximize performance where sporty driving is the priority"
"Under hard acceleration, or when there is a loss of traction at either the front or rear wheels, each of the Subaru's Symmeitrical AWD systems will automatically lock the center differential to distribute torque evenly between the front and rear sets of wheels (50/50) to obtain maximum traction and stability"
Sounds like all the wheels spin all the time to me :)
James Z |
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| MightyMidget |
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Originally posted by SplineZ@Jun 12 2003, 03:31 PM
Sounds like all the wheels spin all the time to me :)
WOOHOO!!!!!! sweet!!!!! thanks James
but no the way awd is yuo cant have all teh tires spinning.... :P
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| BlueTurboEGG |
Enough bench racing and you "paper dragons" to put it to rest.
Refer to any of the DSM guys around here.
Quote all the technobabble you want, I know it can be done, come to the track and witness it for yourself ;) |
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by Badazz@Jun 13 2003, 09:55 AM
What is dsm?
"diamond star motors"
Talon/Eclipse/Laser
awd turbo goodness :)
James Z |
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| Badazz |
| so i guess im part of this group because i owen a Subaru? that still does not mean i know Everything about awd, and just because you have one does not mean you know how the system works. |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by Badazz@Jun 13 2003, 12:19 PM
so i guess im part of this group because i owen a Subaru? that still does not mean i know Everything about awd, and just because you have one does not mean you know how the system works.
Does seeing not equate to believing?
When 500 HP gets applied to an All Wheel Drivetrain system on STREET tires, ALL 4 Tires will scream their wonderful scream and leave evidence on the pavement/concrete that all 4 were spinning at the same time.
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag@Jun 13 2003, 02:31 PM
Does seeing not equate to believing?
When 500 HP gets applied to an All Wheel Drivetrain system on STREET tires, ALL 4 Tires will scream their wonderful scream and leave evidence on the pavement/concrete that all 4 were spinning at the same time.
:bigthumbup:
Maybe he should drop down to prodrag so you can demonstrate :)
Im sure a stock talon could do it on concreate...
James Z |
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| Badazz |
| I would not be caught on pro drag's proptery, i saw you "drag car" at the scc. Slow azz shit!!! |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by Badazz@Jun 14 2003, 01:14 AM
I would not be caught on pro drag's proptery, i saw you "drag car" at the scc. Slow azz shit!!!
Heh heh heh. The Sivik? |
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| import_3000 |
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Originally posted by MiniMan@Jun 12 2003, 02:12 PM
Doesn't really change anything though... On Kazaa search for "Audi A4 (amazing AWD axis spins)". One word, PIMPED. :ph34r:
Corey
yeah i saw that, its crazy! |
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