| brownracer |
So im taking everything off this motor that i have in my garage.
I have some big plans for it, but im wondering how i can get the most out of this motor??
I wanted to get the cylinder walls bored, and i was wondering what the biggest i can go.
Any other ways you guys know how to make this engine better? If you know please let me know. Any advice is good advice.
and also, does any one know where i can get a good turbo KIT!
Perferably greddy, or another high name brand. |
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| Tony_TSi |
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Originally posted by brownracer
and also, does any one know where i can get a good turbo KIT!
Perferably greddy, or another high name brand.
Why do you want a greddy or other "high end name brand" kit?
There are much more effective turbos out there. At your stage, I would only recommend an evo 16g.
How much power do you plan on making anyways? Do you have dsmlink? Do you tune the car yourself? How about supporting mods?
Just do a basic rebuild on the motor (2g pistons, 1g rods), you dont have to open it unless you're making over 500hp....and trust me you'll be needing plenty of other things once you're around this number. |
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| brownracer |
Nahh i dont want to go with a 16g turbo.
Looking for something bigger, I wouldent mind getting 500 horse out of this engine.
I know im going to need alot stuff if im going to try to do something with alot of horsepower.
As for the tuneing and all the work, its just me and my friend..
whats a dsm link by the way?
This is just my winter project. |
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| DIZZUM |
| you need to do some reasearch before you go about it the wrong way and spend alot more money then you have to. go on a dsm specific site like tuners and just read about everything and anything untill you kno exactly what you want. |
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| brownracer |
| Thats some good advice. |
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| DSM |
Do some searching on DSMTuners.com there is some good advice on there.
You don't need to bore out the block unless it needs it. You want to stick with the 2.0L or do you want to stroke it and go with a 2.3L? What are you going to be using the car for (daily driver, drag, auto x,...)? How much HP do you want? It is better to over build an engine then have the internals on the edge. |
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| brownracer |
I want atleast 300-400 hp.
If i throw bigger pistons into this block wont that help alot more... Im going to be useing this to drag, and pull it out here and there to some car meets.
I have been checking out dsmtuners for the past hour and im slowly getting an idea of what i want.
If i wanted to stroke it, what would i need? |
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| Flip |
| You don't want to have to bore the cylinders. .02 is all you'll usually need. Make it a stroker with a 2.4 crank and stroker pistons and rods. And stay away from gay "high end" turbo kits, they're a waste of money. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
If all you want is 300-400 hp, an EVO III 16G will do that.
I've seen 16Gs around 330 awhp in the US. It just doesn't sound cool to say you have a 16G in the car. It's 98% of the turbo you'll ever need. Good spool, but it lacks a bit up top.
If you want to spend a lot of money on a turbo, go for an FP Green or an FP3065 or thereabouts. The 3065 is a BB turbo, and is generally regarded as an awesome all-around turbo.
But yeah, since you seem to be lacking in the research department, hit up sites like dsmtuners.com, dsmtalk.com, galantvr4.org, etc.
Get everything else you need, and know how to tune before you buy the big turbo and blow everything up. |
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| brownracer |
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You don't want to have to bore the cylinders. .02 is all you'll usually need. Make it a stroker with a 2.4 crank and stroker pistons and rods. And stay away from gay "high end" turbo kits, they're a waste of money.
So i dont have to bore the cylinders... ok. What kind of turbos would you guys suggust? Besides a 16g please.
And also, what company makes good cams for these engines? any one know?
the 2.4 crank prob goes for how much?
3000ish? or less?
pistons 2000ish? or more?
Rods 2000ish more?
Plus new fuel pump, and injectors.
Water pump.
New Turbo.
New suspention.
Have the rims though:thumbup:
Not to mention intercooler fittings.. i prob find a kit.
New bigger exhaust. I want 3" down pipe... Any one know if thats a good idea?
And paint job.
I know im forgetting some things too..
This is going to be one sweet project.
:D |
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| Flip |
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Originally posted by brownracer
So i dont have to bore the cylinders... ok. What kind of turbos would you guys suggust? Besides a 16g please.
And also, what company makes good cams for these engines? any one know?
the 2.4 crank prob goes for how much?
3000ish? or less?
pistons 2000ish? or more?
Rods 2000ish more?
Plus new fuel pump, and injectors.
Water pump.
New Turbo.
New suspention.
Have the rims though:thumbup:
Not to mention intercooler fittings.. i prob find a kit.
New bigger exhaust. I want 3" down pipe... Any one know if thats a good idea?
And paint job.
I know im forgetting some things too..
This is going to be one sweet project.
:D
Holy crap, give me the 7 grand and I'll get you your crank, rods, pistons, I'll even throw in the cams...
At this point I would suggest you stay clear of all shops till you do some online shopping to atleast have an idea of what your parts are worth. |
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| Flip |
| The turbo you want is an FP 3052. |
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| brownracer |
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If all you want is 300-400 hp, an EVO III 16G will do that.
I've seen 16Gs around 330 awhp in the US. It just doesn't sound cool to say you have a 16G in the car. It's 98% of the turbo you'll ever need. Good spool, but it lacks a bit up top.
If you want to spend a lot of money on a turbo, go for an FP Green or an FP3065 or thereabouts. The 3065 is a BB turbo, and is generally regarded as an awesome all-around turbo.
But yeah, since you seem to be lacking in the research department, hit up sites like dsmtuners.com, dsmtalk.com, galantvr4.org, etc.
Get everything else you need, and know how to tune before you buy the big turbo and blow everything up.
Really! I dident know you can get that much out of an 16g, i was thinking less.
But the other turbos you suggested sounds good too, im going to do a little bit more research on this. Also thanks for the web sites. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
Don't forget little things like injectors, intercooler, something to tune it with, from an SAFC to DSMLink or AEM EMS if you're really baller like Kris and Phill... :p
There's a ton of shit you can do to a DSM before you have to rip apart the engine. You can get it low 12s on a 16G for under 5K no problem and not have to touch the internals. |
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| DSM |
| My best advice would be spend a lot more time reading and learn before you commit to anything. Once you have things figured out set a budget, make a parts list and start shoping. If all you want is 300-400 hp a stock engine will take care of that no problem. 450-500 is where things start to get iffy. If you want to go with 2.3L I have a brand new crank that you would need for the job. |
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| brownracer |
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My best advice would be spend a lot more time reading and learn before you commit to anything. Once you have things figured out set a budget, make a parts list and start shoping. If all you want is 300-400 hp a stock engine will take care of that no problem. 450-500 is where things start to get iffy. If you want to go with 2.3L I have a brand new crank that you would need for the job.
Pm me on a price for the crank... I still have to do more research, and would it be better if i bought my parts through a supplier store in edmonton, or just online? I guess i should start calling around, and comparing prices from the net to the stores.
300-400 is good enough for me, if it runs as good as an STI my goal is reached. |
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| brownracer |
| What extra things would the engine need if i wanted to run NOS? |
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| brownracer |
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95EagleAWD Don't forget little things like injectors, intercooler, something to tune it with, from an SAFC to DSMLink or AEM EMS if you're really baller like Kris and Phill...
There's a ton of shit you can do to a DSM before you have to rip apart the engine. You can get it low 12s on a 16G for under 5K no problem and not have to touch the internals.
DAMNN!!! BALLIN IS RIGHT... AEM EMS goes for almost 19,000 thats insane... i wish i was this ballin... one day i will be.
As for the 16g, i think i might go with this one. If you tell me i can get atleast 300 hp with this turbo then might as well. With some other mods though, im hopeing to go down to the low 11s or high 10s, that would be sweeeeet! |
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| beeb |
as it has been said by many people before me
do some damn research |
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| Flip |
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Originally posted by brownracer
DAMNN!!! BALLIN IS RIGHT... AEM EMS goes for almost 19,000 thats insane... i wish i was this ballin... one day i will be.
As for the 16g, i think i might go with this one. If you tell me i can get atleast 300 hp with this turbo then might as well. With some other mods though, im hopeing to go down to the low 11s or high 10s, that would be sweeeeet!
I'll sell you my EMS for $6000. |
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| 70newport |
Im by no means as experienced as a lot of the guys that have been replyin gon here but check out vfaq.com
there is lots of stuff on there for fixing and tuning and question answer stuff. just another place to check out.
Project sounds awesome though. :thumbup:
Gary |
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| DSM |
| If you don't want to do any research and work your self you can bring your car to me, give me a budget and I will do the work. |
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| ritesh |
| Bro def recommend a dsm link, its probably the best way to tune any turbo dsm. It works with a palm pilot which is cool and it has pretty much all the controls as a stand alone. And you were partly right small 16gs cant handle 400 but a big 16g will. And as for you ripping thru the motor, dont think its needed. Bigger pistons are only needed if your planning on pushing over 500 hp. The internals are good to over 400 all you should really plan on doing is finding extra 4g63's and extra drivetrain parts is a must. Make sure your motor is GOOD b4 you start modding it cant stress that enough. |
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| brownracer |
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I'll sell you my EMS for $6000.
Thanks for the offer, but im going to hold off on that for now.
Need other things before this part. |
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| Psi |
Unless you have a super humungo monster of a turbo that needs "NAWWWWZ" to spool the damn thing, you don't want nitrous.
Or... if you have a sub 10 second car. |
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| brownracer |
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Originally posted by 70newport
Im by no means as experienced as a lot of the guys that have been replyin gon here but check out vfaq.com
there is lots of stuff on there for fixing and tuning and question answer stuff. just another place to check out.
Project sounds awesome though. :thumbup:
Gary
Thanks for the site. |
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| brownracer |
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Originally posted by DSM
If you don't want to do any research and work your self you can bring your car to me, give me a budget and I will do the work.
Thanks for the offer.
But I really want to do this myself. I want to be able to say that i did all the work. |
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| brownracer |
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Originally posted by Psi
Unless you have a super humungo monster of a turbo that needs "NAWWWWZ" to spool the damn thing, you don't want nitrous.
Or... if you have a sub 10 second car.
Aight cool.
Makes sense. |
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| brownracer |
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Originally posted by ritesh
Bro def recommend a dsm link, its probably the best way to tune any turbo dsm. It works with a palm pilot which is cool and it has pretty much all the controls as a stand alone. And you were partly right small 16gs cant handle 400 but a big 16g will. And as for you ripping thru the motor, dont think its needed. Bigger pistons are only needed if your planning on pushing over 500 hp. The internals are good to over 400 all you should really plan on doing is finding extra 4g63's and extra drivetrain parts is a must. Make sure your motor is GOOD b4 you start modding it cant stress that enough.
Ya im going to do a bit more research on a dsm link. Thats pretty cool how it can work off a palm pilot.
I want to compare pricess for the 16g. I really want to spring for the bigger one... hopefully at a good price.
As for the motor, im going to just rip it all apart. I think 2 of the pistons have bad rings, and also i want to change the head gasket. Also clean up the damn thing... theres alot of grease on it, once its cleaned i want to inspect the block for any cracks.
Its funny that you brang up having to have an extra 4g63, cuzz i do:) |
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| 70newport |
if you are still looking for yet another 4g63t then my Laser RS turbo that got written off this summer was really clean, valve cover gasket started to leak just b4 i was in the accident but other than that everything was really good. ill try and find out if it went to aution yet and let you know if u want. Should go super cheap.
Gary |
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| Flip |
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Originally posted by ritesh
Bro def recommend a dsm link, its probably the best way to tune any turbo dsm. It works with a palm pilot which is cool and it has pretty much all the controls as a stand alone. And you were partly right small 16gs cant handle 400 but a big 16g will. And as for you ripping thru the motor, dont think its needed. Bigger pistons are only needed if your planning on pushing over 500 hp. The internals are good to over 400 all you should really plan on doing is finding extra 4g63's and extra drivetrain parts is a must. Make sure your motor is GOOD b4 you start modding it cant stress that enough.
Anybody who thinks "bigger" pistons are needed for 500hp isn't worth listening to. 1000hp drag only DSMs use factory sized pistons for fucks sakes. |
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| Tony_TSi |
I'll sell you my brand new, still in box, AEM EMS for best price ever, $5109.
$6000 for a USED aem ems is SUCH a rip. |
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| brownracer |
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Originally posted by Tony_TSi
I'll sell you my brand new, still in box, AEM EMS for best price ever, $5109.
$6000 for a USED aem ems is SUCH a rip.
Nicest price iv herd.
But i found a way to get mine for absoulutly free:D |
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| DSM |
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Originally posted by brownracer
Nicest price iv herd.
But i found a way to get mine for absoulutly free:D
These guys are joking. A brand new AEM EMS sells for $1600 then you need a to buy a couple sensors that are a couiple hundred bucks. You really really need to do some research or you are going to get ripped off hard. Kevin over at EZ would love you. |
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| silent |
Have you ever head of this thing called "money"? These prices you are pulling out of your ass and expecting to pay for things are just ridiculous.
Keep that talon stock before you kill yourself due to ignorance. |
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| Tony_TSi |
Unfortunately I dont think he realizes the financial commitments required to build ANY 500+ whp car.
Brownracer, stick with a basic 16g setup with supporting mods, I assure you, it will be more than you can handle. |
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| dance_of_curse |
| aem pnp ems for your talon is 1941.06 usd...look on the aem website before you start taking prices as fact..i hope you and your freind know how to build engines or you will find out the hard way. good luck bub |
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| brownracer |
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Originally posted by DSM
These guys are joking. A brand new AEM EMS sells for $1600 then you need a to buy a couple sensors that are a couiple hundred bucks. You really really need to do some research or you are going to get ripped off hard. Kevin over at EZ would love you.
Hahaha ohh kevin.... I dont deal with EZ motor sports so its all good.
Im doing the research, i aint spendin money yet.. I aint no suckaa. |
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| brownracer |
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Originally posted by silent
Have you ever head of this thing called "money"? These prices you are pulling out of your ass and expecting to pay for things are just ridiculous.
Keep that talon stock before you kill yourself due to ignorance.
Man i aint stupid, you think im just going to close my eyes and throw my money away, I dont think soo...
As got the stock issue, it aint gona happen... aftermarket baby:D |
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| brownracer |
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Originally posted by Tony_TSi
Unfortunately I dont think he realizes the financial commitments required to build ANY 500+ whp car.
Brownracer, stick with a basic 16g setup with supporting mods, I assure you, it will be more than you can handle.
At first i wanted 500hp, but if you kept reading i went down to 300-400.. Im going with the 16g setup i already made my mind up with that. |
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| brownracer |
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Originally posted by dance_of_curse
aem pnp ems for your talon is 1941.06 usd...look on the aem website before you start taking prices as fact..i hope you and your freind know how to build engines or you will find out the hard way. good luck bub
Ill look, then ill talk pricess for next time, but like i said im gettin a aem ems for free so no worriess.
Dont worry, we know what we r doing.. but if we ever get stuck on something, i know who to go to for advice. |
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| silent |
| If your english is half as good as your mechanical ability, you're fucked. |
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brownracer
Member
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 110
STAY SILENT! DONT SAY STUPID SHIT 2 ME
If you dont have any advice to give, then dont say shit all aight.
Im not on here waiting to get trashed on, so screw u.
Have a nice day.
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