| ~30oZ~ |
| I installed my RPS 6 puck clutch at 158,000km and my car now has 178,000km on it and the clutch is toast...Is this common for this kind of clutch to go that soon? I don't ever dump the clutch or do burnouts or anything of that nature and I don't ever "ride" the clutch either, my driving is pretty mild. So what gives? Also does anyone know where to get the replacement pads for the RPS flywheel? :mad: |
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| 4kruzn |
sorry i cant help myself. i will explaine it.
first, you bought a RACE clutch to calmly dirve your car around on the street. second, if you were racing your car with that clutch your post would be something like this.
RPS 6 puck clutch = SWEET long life... i got 20,000kms on it, i highly recomend this clutch to anyone.
i hope this helps anyone who is trying to decide what clutch to buy next.
street car...street clutch.
race car...race clutch. |
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| STiPWR |
quote:
Originally posted by 4kruzn
sorry i cant help myself. i will explaine it.
first, you bought a RACE clutch to calmly dirve your car around on the street. second, if you were racing your car with that clutch your post would be something like this.
RPS 6 puck clutch = SWEET long life... i got 20,000kms on it, i highly recomend this clutch to anyone.
i hope this helps anyone who is trying to decide what clutch to buy next.
street car...street clutch.
race car...race clutch.
Well put :thumbup: |
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| ~30oZ~ |
quote:
Originally posted by 4kruzn
sorry i cant help myself. i will explaine it.
first, you bought a RACE clutch to calmly dirve your car around on the street. second, if you were racing your car with that clutch your post would be something like this.
RPS 6 puck clutch = SWEET long life... i got 20,000kms on it, i highly recomend this clutch to anyone.
i hope this helps anyone who is trying to decide what clutch to buy next.
street car...street clutch.
race car...race clutch.
It's a streetable race clutch, it was on sale so I bought one because I needed to replace the stock one. I do push the car sometimes, so thats why i figured the "race" clutch would be better than the normal type of clutch...so you're saying a "race" clutch will wear down fast regardless of driving habits? You're first post doesn't answer any of my questions.
for the record, if the clutch is only suppose to last that long then it was a great clutch. |
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| beeb |
how many race's do you know that go over 20,000kms?
Race clutches are designed to hold alot of power
not last long |
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| ~30oZ~ |
quote:
Originally posted by beeb
how many race's do you know that go over 20,000kms?
Race clutches are designed to hold alot of power
not last long
But I don't have alot of power that would burn up the clutch...:dunno: again, I'm asking how long are they suppose to last? |
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| STiPWR |
quote:
Originally posted by ~30oZ~
It's a streetable race clutch, it was on sale so I bought one because I needed to replace the stock one. I do push the car sometimes, so thats why i figured the "race" clutch would be better than the normal type of clutch...so you're saying a "race" clutch will wear down fast regardless of driving habits? You're first post doesn't answer any of my questions.
for the record, if the clutch is only suppose to last that long then it was a great clutch.
A 6puck is not a streetable clutch.. Being ABLE to drive it on the street and what it was intended for are 2 different things.
Yes it will wear faster than a street clutch because of how you need to drive it on the street. Slipping it etc.
You asked if it was normal for the clutch to be toast..... 4kruzn answered your question perfectly.
This reminds me of when I used to work at subracing..... People dont do their research when buying performance parts... They expect race parts to perform as street parts. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard someone complain about suspension, clutches, waste gates, 2way diffs, dog boxes etc .... I would be driving a R8.
Race parts arnt made for comfort, and they arnt always designed to last a long time. |
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| STiPWR |
quote:
Originally posted by ~30oZ~
But I don't have alot of power that would burn up the clutch...:dunno: again, I'm asking how long are they suppose to last?
How long they last depends on your driving....... I dont think your going to get an accurate number.
You dont need alot of power to burn a clutch. |
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| MX5 Miata Guy |
Remember the adage...a properly built race car will win the race, but fall apart just after crossing the finish line.
Using the clutch you did is akin to driving slalom tires on the street...you'd be lucky to get a summer out of them that way.
Take it as a lesson learnt and buy a high-performance street clutch as opposed to a cheap race clutch. The US/CAN dollar exchange is at a point now where everything is cheap. :D |
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| Inzane |
Bearing in mind what everyone has said above, there's one more thing Edwin. The RPS clutches are known to be somewhat sensitive to how you set them up. Proper clutch pedal freeplay adjustment is imperative. Before you write-off your clutch completely check out Greg's FAQ on the RPS clutches.
Even if its too late to save this one, at least you'll be armed with better knowledge for the next clutch. |
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| MixManMash |
SpecialtyZ - How to Choose a Clutch
A few quotes:
"RPS makes the sprung hub 6 puck and it is very streetable"
Note the following is in miles.
"The 6 puck disc with the latest materials are lasting about 20K on average."
"A street disc when not drag raced can last about 40K on average in a high powered Z."
"Remember what the duty of your clutch CAN be, getting a 3600 LB car moving from a dead stop and spinning the flywheel at 4000 to 8000 RPM and wanting the two to connect."
How to Properly Adjust your Clutch Pedal by Greg Dupree |
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| Grace Too |
Edwin,
I have had my 6-puck clutch for more "k" than you have had yours and mine is fine and dandy. IMO the 6-puck clutch is the really good street clutch that can be used for racing.
I also have two theories why your clutch maybe toast:
1. You let other people drive your car, and these other people may not be as nice to your clutch as you are.
2. You yourself bag on the car on the weekends. C'mon man lie to your mother not to us;).
I agree with Inzane and MixMan as well, maybe your clutch is not toast it might just be out of adjustment. With any luck Coz will have stuff sitting on his shelf for you, in terms of parts.
I don't know if this helps you or not, but it is my opinion.
Cheers,
GT |
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| ~30oZ~ |
ok, great. Thanks for all the help everyone.:thumbup:
PS: I feel like such a noob....:( |
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| kellyk75 |
What's a clutch?
...... to make the noob feel better......:p
J/K..... good info though. |
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| ~30oZ~ |
quote:
Originally posted by kellyk75
What's a clutch?
...... to make the noob feel better......:p
J/K..... good info though.
lol you ass :p |
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| mike300zxt |
Hey guys, just a little input for your on this one...Edwin and I already talked on 604Z.com, but thought I'd share it here as there are some misconceptions about the streetability of this clutch in this post...
The beauty of the RPS clutches is that they can hold insane power, yet they are VERY streatable! That is their big advantage over ACT and Centerforce.
I have an RPS Max 6-puck, and it slips smoothly, yet it will hold all the torque you throw at it! My car is 540ft-lbs of torque to the wheels, and my RPS clutch has over 40K on it, including a tonne of daily stop + go commuting! When the tranny was out a couple months ago, it looked half worn.
As Jason said, it all comes down to proper install and adjustment. This is NOT a stock clutch, and requires proper adjustment of the clutch pedal and hydralic system to ensure that it works properly and lasts a long time. When I first had the clutch installed by a Nissan dealer, it wore out in 8K! After having it rebuilt and installed properly, it has yet to let me down!
With proper adjustment and proper driving, the life expectancy for an RPS Max 6-puck is 40-80,000Km. If you drag a lot, expect more like 30-60,000Km. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by ~30oZ~
HA! I knew it! :p
So... is your clutch FINE or what? :dunno: You never mentioned whether you fixed your problem or not. |
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| ~30oZ~ |
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Originally posted by Inzane
So... is your clutch FINE or what? :dunno: You never mentioned whether you fixed your problem or not.
No, it's gone...so next year I'll install another one, probably a full disk with the sport pressure plate. I'm sure Ron had installed it correctly, but he was saying maybe it took to much abuse when the car was running on one turbo, I never really drove it like that but it must have took alot to get the car to move with one turbo. ALSO I never did break in the clutch because I was told they don't need to be, but maybe they do to some degree...:dunno: BUT I knew 20,000KM was to short of a life span for RPS clutch. |
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| mike300zxt |
| If anything, one turbo would have made your clutch last longer. Send the clutch to RPS and see what they say. They can usually tell how/why it wore out. |
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| ~30oZ~ |
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Originally posted by mike300zxt
If anything, one turbo would have made your clutch last longer. Send the clutch to RPS and see what they say. They can usually tell how/why it wore out.
Will do, thanks Mike! |
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| MixManMash |
Edwin, something to look at are the Southbend DXD clutches. Personally, I haven't had any direct experience with them, but they sound good, especially for the price.
I have a centerforce dual friction clutch installed in my car. Let me tell you, it is very streetable and I have about 16,000 kms on it so far. I'll keep my fingers crossed though. |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by MixManMash
I have a centerforce dual friction clutch installed in my car. Let me tell you, it is very streetable and I have about 16,000 kms on it so far. I'll keep my fingers crossed though.
The previous owner of my car had one of those and it only lasted ~ 25,000 km, and the car was stock at the time.
I personally have had really good luck with the Jim Wolf street clutch. Their street clutch has the same feel as stock and has endured everything I've thrown at it so far. |
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| MixManMash |
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane
The previous owner of my car had one of those and it only lasted ~ 25,000 km, and the car was stock at the time.
Yes. I have heard a lot of people in North America having issues with the centerforce dual frictions not lasting long.
Apparently, a lot of people in Australia and New Zealand have used centerforce dual friction clutches without these issues in their Z32TT's with way more than 25k kms. Half of the problem with them failing early is due to improper installation. They are a bit trickier to install correctly. I think that my cousin's tech and myself did get the installation right :fingersx: . The tech has installed tons of these clutches on many different cars without an issue. |
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| mike300zxt |
| Ya, bad install is the biggest cause of aftermarket clutch failure. The stock hydralics just can't work a heavy pressure plate without some tweaking! |
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| kellyk75 |
| What kind of tweaking is needed. I would think that as long as everything is centred properly and torqued to spec, that would be considered a "proper" install (aside from clutch pedal adjustment). |
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| mike300zxt |
| Clutch pedal adjustment and the push rod for the clutch master cylinder. |
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| kellyk75 |
quote:
Originally posted by mike300zxt
Clutch pedal adjustment and the push rod for the clutch master cylinder.
Push rod @ the pedal? |
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| kellyk75 |
| Knew about that...... just sounded like two different adjustments. Pedal & Master Cylinder. |
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| mike300zxt |
quote:
Originally posted by kellyk75
Knew about that...... just sounded like two different adjustments. Pedal & Master Cylinder.
Sorry, no, it's all done at the pedal :)
Another thing to check with a prematurely worn clutch is the clutch pedal return spring. We just had a 240 come in with a clutch that lasted 25K, and it was because the clutch pedal spring was shot, so the pedal was never coming all the way up, which caused the clutch to never fully disengage. |
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