| Invalid Zero |
Here's the vid if you haven't seen it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QPCgwCS3viQ
Discuss.
I think it was handled great. You come to a foreign country and start busting shit up (table, computer, etc...), you're gonna get fucked. |
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| b18c5crx |
i can fully understand the police action in this video.
they had to gain control over the situation somehow.
now near the end is the cop hitting the guy with the baton or just closing it? |
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| Invalid Zero |
He's just closing it.
Here's my favorite response.
"I understand that he was under great duress. However, the officers there did not know that. The officers did not know what language he was speaking. The officers did see somebody who was not acting rationally, not responding to them, and acting violently. In that situation, their job is to make sure that the public is protected. It is tragic that he died, but there was nothing else for the police to do in that situation."
I'm actually LOLing reading all the responses from stupid fucking hippies. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| It's unfortunate that they didn't wait for the interpreter, but I believe they handled the situation as they saw fit. Whether they should have tasered him that quickly, who knows? It's tough from the camera's vantage point to see if there were any hostile actions or gestures. They obviously figured that the man would fight back if they attempted to cuff him, so they used the taser to subdue him. Even then he fought back. |
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| ChromeDragon |
Hahaha, I'm sure your comment won't illicit any responses Louis.
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Awesome!!! GO COPS!!! Seriously.
Wow there are some stupid people in there.
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Fukin shithouse Canadians! u have absolutly no right to point a fingure at Saddam! Because you guys are the same species of worm.
Obviously u think u are the law, judge and jury!!
You have the right to remain silent, but you have a resposibility to mankind - NOT TO.
Let them know what you think!! RCMP police department numbers are
+ 1 604 278-1212
My response.
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You, sir, are a moron. Police take down one man by the book after he fails to respond to their verbal and visual orders and continues to yell and act aggressively, and all Canadians are now sadistic purveyors of genocide?
Pull your head out of your ass and catch a clue.
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| Vive le Quebec |
Here's what I'm seeing:
a) beginning of video shows him blockading himself in that particular area...he's piling up furniture at the entrance.
b) he's obviously very distraught
c) before police arrive he's standing at the entrance with a small table in hand as if to use it as a weapon
d) throws computer on ground
e) throws table/chair against window
f) is about to throw something else, puts it down - airport security arrives and stands at entrance
g) when police arrive and motion him to go sit down somewhere, he walks towards the counter and turns around with what looks like a stapler or large metal object of some sort (this can be seen leaving his hand as the first taser hit drops him)
h) he's hit a second time
i) handcuffed
Should a translator have been called? I don't think so - in an airport where there's already an extremely heightened sense of fear? Perhaps we should have called a translator to negotiate with the some of the 9/11 hijackers. He was causing a scene in an airport and the way they dealt with it was quick, effective, and efficient...no waste of time trying to talk, translate or calm him down.
Secondly, did the taser kill him? It looks like no...he's still struggling with them as they attempt to handcuff him. |
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| Turb0.ed.v6 |
I only have one problem with this... from the video right before he got tasered.. it didnt seem like he was acting agressivly at all. Look at where his hands/arms are they went behind him as if he was trying to talk to them(obviously that didnt work). I didnt see any need for a taser because once again there was no sign of "angry" gestures or even a threat to the safety of the RCMP at all.
What it seems like is they didnt know what the polish man was saying.. so they probly thought "fuck it I dont have time to try and understand him.. I know.. I'll just taser this sob.. it will be SOO much easier and heck I never used it in a while.." and there you go the taser was shot. :dunno:
I know you guys out there who think it's macho macho man to just say "HA he deserved it!" but honestly a taser is supposted to be used when there is an immidiate threat to the safety of themselves or others, once again from the video it seems it was used because the RCMP's thought it would be easier than to try and communicate with him. |
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| Turb0.ed.v6 |
| Also I would like to add, for all the people out there who look at the news and say "THE RCMP ARE MONSTERS!! THEY KILLED HIM" I think there's just fucking retarded and cant seem to understand the situation. Did the rcmp try to kill him? NO they tasered him as it is suppost to be a non-lethal solution. Whether or not using the taser was neccesary, the RCMP did not know that his body will not respond well to the shock and would leave him to death. The media as well as "hippies" are blowing this way out of proportion saying asthough the rcmp purposly killed him. |
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| 4thGenLude |
I'm glad no one has jumped on the bangwagon saying that the use of the taser was in the wrong.
All the people attacking the RCMP for what they did have no real understanding of police work or the use of force module.
Their actions were completely justified. As a matter of fact, they had reason to taser him earlier than they did. |
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| RangerMan |
ahhh it wasn't intent to kill the man - RCMP were just doing their job. Like you guys said - your in an airport what do you expect. It does raise the question are Tasers to dangerous to use during a take down, its a tool used to subdue the individual not kill him.
What I hate is people blaming the RCMP for lethal force, go read the letters in the Edmonton Sun (anti-government as it is). |
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| Tech2 |
There was some rcmp guy on the radio the other day talking about this. His point had to do with the cops escalating too quickly and out of context with the situation. I don't know the internal policies of the agency involved, but the guy said it's generally not recommended to taser or pepper spray someone with a psychiatric condition. The guys in the video didn't do anything to figure out if this guy had one or not. I'm also a little surprised 4 guys (cops highly trained in physical control techniques, or at least they're supposed to be) couldn't take him down without using a taser.
Of course this doesn't answer the question of weather or not the taser killed him. Maybe it was just one of those shitty times a taser leads to a heart attack. Maybe it was the knee to the guy's neck. I will be waiting to hear the investigation report.
Then there is the other question of where the fuck were the airport security guys in the previous 10 hours? Or how about airport or airline staff. Not just that had someone communicated with him during this time there would have most likely been no escalation, but how the fuck does some messed up distraught looking foreign troublemaker guy get left alone for so long in the airport?
This is like 10 things getting fucked up at once, and someone died. It happens, but it really shouldn't. |
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| Invalid Zero |
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Originally posted by Turb0.ed.v6
I know you guys out there who think it's macho macho man to just say "HA he deserved it!"
Yes I do think it was justified when they tased him. It's terrible that he died, he certainly didn't deserve that, but IMO the way it was handled was proper. |
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| Invalid Zero |
Wow there's some smart people out there. LOL
"hajhooj82
Canadians should be treated like shit when they go to Poland..should be shot and killed to death " |
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| Vive le Quebec |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Wow there's some smart people out there. LOL
"hajhooj82
Canadians should be treated like shit when they go to Poland..should be shot and killed to death "
no kidding. |
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| rocklee_86 |
IMO, it looks like the cops escalated to using the taser way too quickly. From what i could tell from the video, it looked like the guy was distraught, and maybe slightly aggressive (correct me if i'm wrong cause i seriously couldn't make out much int he video). But even worst case scenerio, the guy wasn't armed (or was he?), he wasn't in the immediate vicinity of bystanders and he had FOUR cops surrounding him!
Even 2 cops would have had no trouble subduing this guy with their bare hands.
I think the tazer was pulled out unnessesarily early. I guess the cops were trying to stop this situation before it got any further, which is fair since they didn't know what the guy was yelling about (for all they knew, he could be spitting death threats to everyone in the airport), but it looks like using just force would have stopped this guy just as quickly as the tazer did.
I always thought tazers were last resort options in take downs, and it didn't look like the cops tried to do anything before shocking his ass. |
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| little_one_der |
I'm going to go ahead and say that excessive force was used. He looks scared. He doesn't speak the local language. He was trying to protect himself from things he does not know. He basically went into a fight or flight instinct mode. And the trained officers (four of them) should have been able to tack him down. The taser was just the cop-out move.
And I very much doubt they really tried to get an interpretor to the scene. He spent 10 hours at the airport? Give me a fucking break. Don't you HAVE to be bi or even multi-lingual to work at the airport? So you're telling me they couldn't find a translator in 10 hours?
And how many of you guys have been tasered? If you would like to know how it feels, come on over to my place and I'll hit you with 100,000 v. Let me know how it feels.:drama: |
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| blondy |
He didn't do anything to deserve death
Why were "last resorts" used "first"
Where were airport staff? Where were airport supportive staff? This man was detained for over 10 hours...in an airport...language unknown to him...what was going on was unknown to him...he didn't know or understand why he was being detained...
If any of us were detained in an unknown place for over 10 hours I wonder how our patience would be
Why was a taser used so soon after their arrival? Since when is a taser a standard procedure when officers are called to a scene...
After tasered he didn't fight back...I am sure if one was tasered your would be in a convulsive state...you would be rolling around in the pain...not trying to fight back and for sure another taser will not make the convulsing stop and it can and will cause cardiac arrest
He came from Poland to an English speaking airport...I know I don't speak enough Polish...none in fact to get me by in a Polish airport while English is pretty universal language is still does not mean that EVERYONE will know how to speak it or understand it
Turn the tables...you a Canadian immigrating to Poland and the same situation arises....there is no promise that someone in that airport will understand what you are saying...and it really bothers me that it seems no attempt what so ever was made in those 10 hours to get a Polish speaking person for the man.
There have been attempted suicides in this city and the police found a translator to speak to the person...
And if a Canadian were tasered by Polish police 25 seconds after their arrival to confront him and he dies.......what would the reaction of Canadians be??!!
RCMP arrive and confront the man..
Man cannot speak English
Man has been stuck in airport for 10 hours
No one tried to help the situation by body language...maybe putting out hand to shake or to get a interpretor or show any movement that they were their to HELP
Instead man moves...man gets tasered
I don't care who what where you are...when one feels threatened...you will react even if you have a knee jammed to your neck...
So it goes an immigrant from a small village comes to Canada to live his life with him mom and now is dead. Why?
Because he grabbed a computer and smashed it...because no one cared to help or understand him in anyway for 10 hours.
Yes he was most certainly acting erratic...but I have seen crazy people act far worse on the street...in bars...parking lots...after a night of partying on the weekend....loud....drunk and kicking cars and throwing garbage cans...smashing windows...and not one of them are dead today because of their actions |
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| 95EagleAWD |
| The point of a taser is so the officers don't have to physically tackle someone. Why would they risk getting hurt when they can safely take someone out without risking their ass? |
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| ChromeDragon |
If I was in a strange place where I didn't speak the language and the police surrounded me, I would get my ass down on the fucking ground and let them cuff me. He knew they didn't speak Polish and continued to yell at them and display aggression.
Why would the police tackle someone who could have concealed weapons or potentially contagious diseases in close quarters? The guy could try and gouge out their eyes or bite them.
The taser is designed to take the person down to the ground so that they can safely cuff and lead them away. It is NOT designed to kill people. Unfortunately there have been a few situations where this has happened and perhaps they need to review its usefulness as a non-lethal solution for subduing hostile people. |
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| Tech2 |
Using a taser is just fine, under the right circumstances. As far as my little understanding of police/rcmp procedure goes, these were not the right circumstances. But to be fair, the blame for this guy's death shouldn't be placed on the taser until the autopsy is out.
eagle95AWD, why not use the taser so you don't have to tackle someone? 1)Because the taser can kill people, 2) there are 3 other guys to help you, and 3) because maybe that's not the best or safest way to deal with the situation. As an afterthought, there's 4) Why not just blast him with your pistol. You don't want to take any chances with a possible murderer endangering your safety right?
Hey, I'm all for the cops laying a beat down when it's necessary, but I sure don't think a tasering/beat down/pepper spraying was the right course in this case. I'll bet the inquest finds something similar.
I mean seriously, you're walking by yourself home from the bar a little too rowdy. 4 cops see you, don't say anything, and taser the shit out of you 4 times (or 2, I don't think anyone is sure just how many times this guy gets hit with it). Is it justifiable police procedure? No way.
If 4 cops can't take someone down (who's not on PCP) maybe we'd all be better off if they were in a different line of work.
And finally, is there anyone on here who knows what the actual procedure is for dealing with these kinds of situations? All I have is a textbook with a diagram for how police should deal with violent/possibly violent situations and how to escalate/de-escalate them. And the guys at the airport didn't follow it at all. |
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| blondy |
So what ya'll are saying is 4 police officers are not capable of taking down one unarmed man
Just clarifying
*edit* and why in 10 hours would they have kept in in quarters without getting to find someone to fine out what was his problem....why was he in Canada
I still stand that they use last resort as first resort
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| Tech2 |
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Originally posted by blondy
*edit* and why in 10 hours would they have kept in in quarters without getting to find someone to fine out what was his problem....why was he in Canada
To me this is the biggest question. What the fuck were the airline staff and airport security people doing for ten freaking hours while some weird strange looking/acting man is there. Getting a computer smashed is tiny compared to what a motivated bad guy could come up with. The more I think about this the more it pisses me off. |
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| ehos |
6:20, 'Hello, how are you?'
6:50, Taser.
That's about 30 seconds. The taser was used way too fast (especially for 4 Police officers, unarmed man, contained area). But, that's just my opinion.
There should be (and will be) an investigation. The Police have a huge responsibility, but at the same time, they MUST accept scrutiny at all times (just like the government, judges, lawyers etc etc). That is fact. |
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| gjgud |
| fuck finally people with right thought.. fuck canadian cop and RCMPS... they are use less. those 4 cops were tooooo scared at one polish guy... WoW |
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| rocklee_86 |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
The point of a taser is so the officers don't have to physically tackle someone. Why would they risk getting hurt when they can safely take someone out without risking their ass?
really? I always thought tazers were a last resort option if the situation gets too out of control that they can't do anything else.
At the risk of sounding like a jackass, cops understand the risks involved with their job and they still do it because when they take up that position, they accept the responisbility that comes with it. And a lot of the time, cops are involved situations where they could be injured or killed. Their main priority in those situations is to protect the people and if need be, put themselves in harms way to avoid OTHER people getting hurt. And yes, this DOES include the criminals they may be trying to stop. (or in this case, the erractic polish immigrant who seemed more confused then anything).
This doesn't mean the use of tazers, force or guns is wrong for a cop, but they got procedures and regualtions when dealing with potentially hostile situations. Tazering a guy because the officer doesn't want to "risk getting hurt" is not one of them. Potentially lethal force is never used as a precaution in case shit hits the fan....its used when a cop realizes he has no other options if hes going to protect himself and the people involved.
Cops risk their asses all the time on the job and thats why we call them heroes. Theres nothing heroic about tazering an erractic immigrant in an airport because he looked "aggressive". Especially when you outnumbered him by 3, and not ONE attempt was made to subdue him without the use of weapons. |
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| gjgud |
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Originally posted by rocklee_86
really? I always thought tazers were a last resort option if the situation gets too out of control that they can't do anything else.
At the risk of sounding like a jackass, cops understand the risks involved with their job and they still do it because when they take up that position, they accept the responisbility that comes with it. And a lot of the time, cops are involved situations where they could be injured or killed. Their main priority in those situations is to protect the people and if need be, put themselves in harms way to avoid OTHER people getting hurt. And yes, this DOES include the criminals they may be trying to stop. (or in this case, the erractic polish immigrant who seemed more confused then anything).
This doesn't mean the use of tazers, force or guns is wrong for a cop, but they got procedures and regualtions when dealing with potentially hostile situations. Tazering a guy because the officer doesn't want to "risk getting hurt" is not one of them. Potentially lethal force is never used as a precaution in case shit hits the fan....its used when a cop realizes he has no other options if hes going to protect himself and the people involved.
Cops risk their asses all the time on the job and thats why we call them heroes. Theres nothing heroic about tazering an erractic immigrant in an airport because he looked "aggressive". Especially when you outnumbered him by 3, and not ONE attempt was made to subdue him without the use of weapons.
hay man your right eaxept those four cops and this situation |
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| rocklee_86 |
| sorry. outnumbered 1 to 4 |
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
The point of a taser is so the officers don't have to physically tackle someone. Why would they risk getting hurt when they can safely take someone out without risking their ass?
:blink: It makes is seem that they can pull out the taser anytime they don't wish to dirty their hands
Yes he was acting in a weird manner...none of us will know why...but was he threat? He didn’t hurt anyone
I am not debating the "obey police" just the amount of force used...
4 officers on site...make sure the man doesn't "escape" call in someone who can speak with him...find out what is causing the agitation...arrest him if necessary but at least he was able to tell someone what was going on...
This wasn't some little small airport that is not use to getting "foreigners"...this was a main Canadian airport that gets millions of of passengers from all over the world for the first time every day...and no one had the common sense to get a medic... translator...some form of mediator to communicate through body language anything...they did nothing... |
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| gjgud |
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Originally posted by blondy
:blink: It makes is seem that they can pull out the taser anytime they don't wish to dirty their hands
Yes he was acting in a weird manner...none of us will know why...but was he threat? He didn’t hurt anyone
I am not debating the "obey police" just the amount of force used...
4 officers on site...make sure the man doesn't "escape" call in someone who can speak with him...find out what is causing the agitation...arrest him if necessary but at least he was able to tell someone what was going on...
This wasn't some little small airport that is not use to getting "foreigners"...this was a main Canadian airport that gets millions of of passengers from all over the world for the first time every day...and no one had the common sense to get a medic... translator...some form of mediator to communicate through body language anything...they did nothing...
this is what i'm talking about... |
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Discuss.
I think it was handled great. You come to a foreign country and start busting shit up (table, computer, etc...), you're gonna get fucked.
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
:rolleyes:
That's a most interesting debate comment...your first post was to discuss and you stated that you were 100% behind the killing....
You've now I gather read some of the other side...this is all you have to reply...am just asking...not being a smart a$$ |
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| Invalid Zero |
No, I didn't say it was great he died. I said the RCMP's actions were justified IMO.
Like Chromedragon said, "If I was in a strange place where I didn't speak the language and the police surrounded me, I would get my ass down on the fucking ground and let them cuff me. He knew they didn't speak Polish and continued to yell at them and display aggression. "
I wouldn't expect to be treated any different if I was at an airport in Canada or anywhere else in the world. |
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| blondy |
Look at the picture a little bigger...
People here in the city even if they feel they have done nothing wrong...at times will "resist" ina big or small way against the police...
If you are in an airport and police come charging at you your instinct may be to fight back...or resist in some way because in your mind you have done nothing wrong...you are just in a strange place they have locked you up in...no one coming to see how are you are...you just want to see your mother...why are these people doing this to me ??
You said...
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You come to a foreign country and start busting shit up (table, computer, etc...), you're gonna get fucked.
Do you really see he was a threat to anyone's safety that it could not have been handled in a different way? |
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| Invalid Zero |
Cops are not wrestlers. The come to the scene and see all the shit trashed and this guy is acting the way he is, fuck it, I wouldn't take the chance of getting beaned in the face. Zap.
They didn't know he had been there 10 hours. They only knew what they saw, and dealt with it accordingly. |
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Cops are not wrestlers. The come to the scene and see all the shit trashed and this guy is acting the way he is, fuck it, I wouldn't take the chance of getting beaned in the face. Zap.
Looking at the video it didn't seem so bad...there were not that many things in there in the first place...but whether a computer was smashed to the ground or not is really not that important
Cops are trained....don't tell me that they have no clue how to subdue someone...other than with a weapon
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They didn't know he had been there 10 hours. They only knew what they saw, and dealt with it accordingly.
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Oh my gawd please do not even say that...if they didn't know what they were dealing with why the hell did they deal with it in the last resort way ??!!
Didn't know what they were dealing with??!!
Then they should have friggen found out before they dealt with it in the way they did...
That is ludicrous !!!
Shoot first...ask questions later ???!!!
You don't make any decisions without knowing the facts !!!! |
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| Invalid Zero |
Last resort? LOL A tazer is far from that. Last resort is the business end of a 9mm.
They didn't hit him with it planning on killing the guy. Had he not died nobody would have ever heard of this incident. |
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Last resort? LOL A tazer is far from that. Last resort is the business end of a 9mm.
They didn't hit him with it planning on killing the guy. Had he not died nobody would have ever heard of this incident.
Don't worry about whether he died or not from the tasor...we don't have the proof about that yet
Come back to me with some debate material instead of laughing at my comments and comparing tasers to guns...
why did they hit him?
why didn't they know the facts?
why was no one brought in to find out why he was acting the way he was?
Throwing computers and holding a stapler are not valid reasons in my mind...am waiting on valid reasons why they are from you
Peace :) |
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| Invalid Zero |
What do you want the cops to do? Sit there for hours and have tea with him? Fuck that. He was acting like an idiot, and was treated like it.
Go try this shit in another country and see how you're treated.
And you're the one who compared tazers to guns by calling it a "last resort". |
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| Tech2 |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Had he not died nobody would have ever heard of this incident.
No, had no one shot video, no one would have heard about this.
Let's also not forget the guy with the camera had the threaten legal action to get his video back. The cops said he'd have it back in 48 hours, but it took legal action and going public to get it. Cover up alarm bells anyone? And why would this happen if the police had acted properly?
As for cops acting on what they knew about the situation, how much procedure did they breach not finding out what the situation was?
Cops aren't wrestlers, that's true, but like I said earlier if 4 of them can't perform a restraining takedown, they need to be in a different line of work.
*Preparing flame suit*
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Originally posted by gjgud
fuck canadian cop and RCMPS... they are use less. those 4 cops were tooooo scared at one polish guy... WoW
I sure hope this doesn't come down to pushing a pull door or some shit. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Last resort? LOL A tazer is far from that. Last resort is the business end of a 9mm.
They didn't hit him with it planning on killing the guy. Had he not died nobody would have ever heard of this incident.
Exactly. Tasers are far from a last resort... They're becoming quite common in usage because they're a very effective way of controlling people without resorting to physical means. No officer is in danger when they taser someone, and 99.99999999% of the time, they're perfectly safe to use. They don't leave any permanent damage, something you can't say about an asp or a pistol.
Instead of showing how many people had "died" from Taser use, I'd like to see stats that show how many lives it's saved, whether victims or officers, by having that step in their use of force guidelines instead of stepping up to a pistol. |
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| Prudz_lude |
Reading the youtube comments brings out the ignorance in the world. Reading this forum seems to as well...
i agree, if you go to another country and act like an asshat trashing shit your going to get subdued. It was not like they purposely tried to kill him with the taser. It was an accident and its unfortunate. |
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| rocklee_86 |
I think the bigger arguement is weather or not using a tazer was neccessary in this case.
You had 4 cops surrounding 1 unarmed polish immigrant. No other civilians even close to them.
For the cops to not even TRY to subdue him without using the tazer is mind boggling.
And you say he was acting like an idiot and got what he deserved....how do you even know what the guy was saying? How can you blame him for acting like most people would act when pushed into a corner? He was detained at an airport for 10 hours, nobody could/would listen to him, and he didn't know what the hell was going on. I'm not gonna criticize the guy for not being the most calm at the point.
People keep saying the cops were right to use the tazer because it was a self defense precaution.....a cops main priority, just like a superhero's, is to protect the lives of others, a lot of times at the costs of their own health.
Thats why we call them heroes! |
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by rocklee_86
I think the bigger arguement is weather or not using a tazer was neccessary in this case.
You had 4 cops surrounding 1 unarmed polish immigrant. No other civilians even close to them.
For the cops to not even TRY to subdue him without using the tazer is mind boggling.
And you say he was acting like an idiot and got what he deserved....how do you even know what the guy was saying? How can you blame him for acting like most people would act when pushed into a corner? He was detained at an airport for 10 hours, nobody could/would listen to him, and he didn't know what the hell was going on. I'm not gonna criticize the guy for not being the most calm at the point.
People keep saying the cops were right to use the tazer because it was a self defense precaution.....a cops main priority, just like a superhero's, is to protect the lives of others, a lot of times at the costs of their own health.
Thats why we call them heroes!
What? A cop's main priority is to ensure the SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC. So if they can take out a person that is obviously causing a disturbance to said public, without putting themselves at risk, why wouldn't they? Tasers cause less damage than any other physical means of subduing someone. |
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| Tech2 |
Taser use should really be only an aside in this situation. There was a huge breakdown of security in the airport to let this situation get to where it did.
Following police procedure is another one. So far no one has commented on weather or not these officers did follow any kind of procedure, or just step right in to using the tool one step down from lethal force. Eagle95AWD, weren't you trying for EPS? Maybe you have some info here.
Maybe this is just from the movies, but police forces are supposed to "serve and protect". There was no service here at all, and the protective value is pretty small. If the officers had dealt with information and communication we'd not be having a discussion about if some guy should get tasered or not. If this kind police behavior is acceptable, I'll be looking forward to many more examples of drunks getting tasered an whyte ave. Why not, if it's safer to just escalate to strong non-leathal force than to risk talking to someone.
And yeah, don't start shit in an airport. Even if you've been fucked over for 10 hours. In general you'll be treated much better in a canadian holding cell than one in, say, cambodia. Course, is the cambodian police the standard we should be comparing the RCMP to? |
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| rocklee_86 |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
What? A cop's main priority is to ensure the SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC. So if they can take out a person that is obviously causing a disturbance to said public, without putting themselves at risk, why wouldn't they? Tasers cause less damage than any other physical means of subduing someone.
Was there any attempt at all to subdue the guy using just force? Was there any reason to NOT try that?
If the answer to both those questions is "yes" to both those questions, then a tazer is the next best option.
But what was the guy doing that was so disturbing to the public? From the video, it looks like he was seperated from the rest of the people by a wall. |
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| blondy |
Ya'll have your right to the reasons on the situation but we are not a 3rd world country...we are for the most part a peace loving country...we would prefer to close things peacefully than how this situation ended up
A situation took place in a worldly airport that does have access to services such as medics...translators...assistance etc etc
Why was a passenger held for 10 hours without any of the services provided and no one cared to find out just what the problem was
This is why I said a last resort method was used....it is no less a problem whether he died or not...
To me this is the crime...no professional took the time or cared to see what was the matter....passengers for frig sakes tried to help or understand him but not one airport staff or police officer
Take down situations in the city...whether they ended peaceful or not...it has been stated numerous times that a translator was brought in...... |
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| Tech2 |
Don't take the comments about communication and de-escalation from me, take it from the Government of Canada Commission for Complaints against the RCMP.
In a complaint about a different incident:
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The Chair concluded in an interim report that the members' overzealous conduct and lack of communication throughout the incident precipitated the resulting traumatic event. Despite the repeated requests for information by the complainant and her husband, none of the six RCMP members present responded in a manner intended to de-escalate the situation. Instead, the members resorted to using inappropriate and excessive force against the elderly parents and their son. The Chair recommended that the members be reminded of the importance of appropriate communication with clients, that they approach this complainant with a view of bringing about reconciliation with her and her family and that they apologize for the inappropriate uses of force.
And this was a case where the family ended up wrestling and swinging against officers. Doesn't make things look too good for the RCMP in the airport. |
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| polishguy |
Taser use has been getting more and more popular.
There has been numerous Whyte Ave incidence and others which were not publicly mentioned. In the particular case, they could have easily restrained a single guy. Its 4 on 1!! But instead, they felt the need to shoot him twice with a taser!
Given that he was stuck at an airport for 10 hours after a 12hr flight, he was fed up and over reacted but did not deserve the treatment he got from what looked like rentacops with tasers.
^&%$ bullshit if you ask me. Watching world news, all of europe is upset over this. I hope necessary action is taken. |
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| gjgud |
smart people's point of view
why was that man did not get any help for 10 hours
dumb people's point of view
he deserves taser because he was danger to public
fuck man where the world is going.... dumb fucks..
i can say on a situations like this that there was discrimination against one guy that does not know how to speak english... |
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| Cyanide Ride |
I think 4 against 1 disoriented elderly man would be sufficient to subdue the so called "threat"
Police Officers are trained in many ways to subdue a human being without throwing a single punch. It surprises me that they didn't even try. A blood choke renders someone unconscious in a few seconds and with 3 guys as backup, I'm sure someone could've found the time for a proper application. Heck even a basic armlock would've calmed him down.
I have also seen and heard of officers defusing situations worse than this particular one, one of the benefits of helping a friend who is a tactics trainer develop training geared towards these types of situations.
I think the tazer is becoming the choice for first response for reasons that were mentioned by some. I feel that this is a very bad idea as not everyone will react in the typical manner in which it was intended.
It seems that officers trained with the tazer are turning to it for convenience rather than "getting their hands dirty" Bad choice in my opinion.
Who knows why he was acting irrationally, some elderly are a bit more delicate in the brain than others. If it was anyone you knew, you would've hoped that the officers did everything to protect the innocent bystanders INCLUDING THE INNOCENT FROM THEMSELVES, which I believe the man was acting irrational, but obviously not in the right of mind. |
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| Prudz_lude |
quote:
Originally posted by gjgud
smart people's point of view
why was that man did not get any help for 10 hours
dumb people's point of view
he deserves taser because he was danger to public
fuck man where the world is going.... dumb fucks..
i can say on a situations like this that there was discrimination against one guy that does not know how to speak english...
soooo you must be one of the dumb ones. Learn to spell. |
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| Turb0.ed.v6 |
| I totaly agree with you blondy... That taser like I said was used way too early and I honestly think unneccesary..The swat uses the tasers as a non-lethal alternative to stop a either a fleeing suspect.. or a suspect that poses a danger to himself or others.. Look at that video again.. like I stated the guy showed absolutely no signs of agressive behavour towards the rcmp. |
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| GQsmooth |
fuck the RCMP, fuckin pussies!
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| Godzilla |
quote:
Originally posted by GQsmooth
fuck the RCMP, fuckin pussies!
/thread
you just keep proving yourself to be a bigger douche everytime you post. i for one am damn happy we have policing here in canada and 99% of my dealings with the RCMP have been great. i'd like to see you get yourself into a job where you put your life on the line daily to serve random public that you've never met. |
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| GQsmooth |
| why? so I can be on big power trip and use excessive force unlawfully and get away with it? I'd feel so much better about myself then hey?:thumbup: |
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| Godzilla |
quote:
Originally posted by GQsmooth
why? so I can be on big power trip and use excessive force unlawfully and get away with it? I'd feel so much better about myself then hey?:thumbup:
no so you can have a gun to shoot yourself with because your obviously a pretty big waste of skin if you can't respect the people who work to protect us on a daily basis.
edit: i don't actually condone suicide, its a pussy way out of problems. however the thought still stands, i have no respect for you and your veiwpoints |
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| 4thGenLude |
I'm appaled at some of the ludicrous responses in this thread.
For those who are just simply saying "fuck the RCMP" with no reason or supporting arguments, I ask you this:
Your car gets broken into, your house is being robbed, you've been assaulted, someone has kidnapped your child, you've been in an acident, etc etc who is the first person you call? Exactly.
Secondly, would any of you be ignorant enough to go to a country where you dont speak a lick of their native language and throw a tantrum in their airport of all places, regardless of how long you've been there? Simple communication like having a family member greet you or some other means of communication would be a logical thing to do I would think. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in that he couldn't have someone greet him. But he sure did not need to cause a disturbance like he did. As stated before, why not subdue yourself to the Police and clear it up later in a more comfortable setting after you've cooled down.
Finally, for those of you asking about the "proper police tactics training" search up the "Use of Force Model". I've briefly searched before but was unable to find it. Some of you may. Police arrive on the scene to a man throwing computers and furniture. He is automatically classified as an "assaultive resistor". An active resistor calls for any means up to and including the use of an "intermediate weapon". You guessed it; tasers fall under that precise category. So from a legal standpoint the Police were in their right to use the taser. |
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| blondy |
quote:
Originally posted by 4thGenLude
Secondly, would any of you be ignorant enough to go to a country where you dont speak a lick of their native language and throw a tantrum in their airport of all places, regardless of how long you've been there? Simple communication like having a family member greet you or some other means of communication would be a logical thing to do I would think. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in that he couldn't have someone greet him. But he sure did not need to cause a disturbance like he did. As stated before, why not subdue yourself to the Police and clear it up later in a more comfortable setting after you've cooled down.
His mother was on the other side...she waited for 4 hours or so before leaving because no one would tell her anything or help her find her son
You would think that airport personnel would put two and two together and just maybe the distraught Polish man might have a connection with the mother who is concerned where her son was
He landed at 4pm the day before...doesn't speak a speck of English...never left his homeland before...never been on a plane...and is now left waiting for hours upon hours...I would think a English speaking Toronto passenger who is left detained in Vancouver for 10 hours or more with no explanation would feel stressed
Don't be appalled...other than a few "interesting" I hate cop postings...it's just humans with differing opinions...makes the life interesting...and being that none of us thank goodness have been placed in that situation we can only go by what our gut tells us
Peace
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| little_one_der |
| So if someone was breaking into my car, weilding a bat or something, and I pumped 100k v into his neck and he dies, I wouldn't get charged with murder? |
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| STiPWR |
What is wrong with some of you?
The guy didnt speak english... who the fuck cares? It has NOTHING to do with anything.
Every human being out there understands body language, I dont care what country you are from if a bunch of people in uniform come up to you, you are going to be 100% coorperative. Or you're fucking retarded.
Excessive force? hardly. He wasnt complying with their demands and when they brought him to the ground after the first tazer, he continued to fight back.
You fight after that, well guess what? Next level of force is applied. In their choice it was a second tazer shot.
Resisting arrest....
They didnt kill the fucking guy with a tazer gun, thats impossible. From my understanding, he had some sort of a panic attack and died from that.
People are too quick to point fingers and accuse law enforcement for faults..... These guys deal with the scum of the earth every day, not that thats an excuse, but I understand their mind set 100%. |
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| THUD |
My reply
If anything the RCMP officers did a good job and the arrest was not very rough and there tactics and positioning looked very well versed,the RCMP take the use of a tazer very seriously and train hard and do there best to studie a situation and a persons state of mind and age and health.
NON lethal weapons are better, should they have tackled him? should they have pepper sprayed the shit outta him? or better yet just shot him in the foot and make him dance?
I wounder more on the guys health, he was breathing heavily and upset too, his heart might have been to weak.
If anyone has a better Idea on how to arrest some one non leathly I bet the RCMP would love to hear your idea and put it to the test. :beer: |
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| T-LAV MRV |
quote:
Originally posted by little_one_der
So if someone was breaking into my car, weilding a bat or something, and I pumped 100k v into his neck and he dies, I wouldn't get charged with murder?
no because it is called self defense. That person comes at u with said bat, and u use the appropriate level of force to subdue, or even detain them.
now if u overdue the level of force used, then yes u can be charged with aggravated assault causing death because u escalated the use of force to an inappropriate level, without proper reasoning.
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| STiPWR |
I still cant believe how some people think.
wow.
It the same thing as every other controversial event happening in the world today.
Every criticizes, no one does anything about it, nor understands it completely. Just biased views and opinions based on the media.
If you think you could do so much better, go fucking do it. Or let it be. |
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| T-LAV MRV |
its obvious the idiots posting "FUCK THE RCMP" or "fuck u for agreeing that the level of force was justified" have no idea what they are talking about.
lets play this one. The person in question is being irate and decides to grab onto one of u and toss u around in a fit of rage. Police come in, try to tell the man to calm down or they will use force to neutralize him, he resists(whether or not he understands, i agree with Aaron, hand gestures should be pretty easy enough to understand) fails to do what the police ask/tell him to do, and advances on them or u with a table or stapler ot keyboard who cares, man is armed with a weapon.
the police use in their judgment the appropriate level of force to subdue the individual and he continues to resist, level of force escalates as it should. Now if the man had a heart condition or whatnot is no fault of the rcmp, they acted well within their rights to take control of the situation and bring peace to a potentially dangerous situation
are u gonna be telling the rcmp what they should've done once the situation has been taken care of?, no, u are goin to be thanking them for their work, and continuing on your merry way.
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| Cheverz |
| Gotta say that This is B.S the cop's over re-acted however vancouver is a huge airport so i guess on that front it makes sense. |
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| polishguy |
quote:
Originally posted by T-LAV MRV
its obvious the idiots posting "FUCK THE RCMP" or "fuck u for agreeing that the level of force was justified" have no idea what they are talking about.
lets play this one. The person in question is being irate and decides to grab onto one of u and toss u around in a fit of rage. Police come in, try to tell the man to calm down or they will use force to neutralize him, he resists(whether or not he understands, i agree with Aaron, hand gestures should be pretty easy enough to understand) fails to do what the police ask/tell him to do, and advances on them or u with a table or stapler ot keyboard who cares, man is armed with a weapon.
the police use in their judgment the appropriate level of force to subdue the individual and he continues to resist, level of force escalates as it should. Now if the man had a heart condition or whatnot is no fault of the rcmp, they acted well within their rights to take control of the situation and bring peace to a potentially dangerous situation
are u gonna be telling the rcmp what they should've done once the situation has been taken care of?, no, u are goin to be thanking them for their work, and continuing on your merry way.
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mike
First of all, the guy did not harm anybody at all! He was backing off as the cops approached him and tasered him repeatedly.
As far as being stuck in an airport for 10 hours after and half day flight with no food, water or sleep. I would be getting irrate.
The matter is going to be reviewed, don't act like you support whatever they RCMP's do to control the situation. If you feel like that, they might as well shot him as that "takes care of" the situation....
Keep this situation in mind when you are traveling to a foreign country and the same situation happens to you and then argue the law enforcement techniques. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Why do so many of you attacking the RCMP assume they were trying to kill him? If they wanted him dead they would have shot him. They didn't use the taser expecting him to die, so stop believing that they did. |
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| onestepback |
| I'm just surprised it took him ten hours to get pissed. I'd be pissed about one hour. :dunno: |
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| polishguy |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
Why do so many of you attacking the RCMP assume they were trying to kill him? If they wanted him dead they would have shot him. They didn't use the taser expecting him to die, so stop believing that they did.
The issue is why did the RCMP use the taser as a first resort to restrain an individual. |
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| REFLUX |
Yack yack yack, fuck the police, fight the power!!
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Right up to the point that you need them to uphold the law in your favor.
Then they're all fine & dandy when they do their jobs, right?
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| 95EagleAWD |
quote:
Originally posted by STiPWR
If you think you could do so much better, go fucking do it. Or let it be.
Words to live by. |
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| 240sex |
i've been reading some of the comments, and were forgetting that we are sitting in edmonton and this happened in vancouver, we are watching this from someones cell phone camera via youtube, while they were there witnessing this first hand, we are seeing this a month later, you have to put all those into consideration before you start saying who is right and who is wrong, were the RCMP justified for using the taser as their first resort maybe they were maybe not how the hell can you say they werent or they were when your sitting in edmonton, they are trained police officers they witness many incidents like such probably on a daily basis and it wasnt just one cop it was 4 so if one was wrong i dont see why the other 3 wouldnt stop him when he pulled his taser gun out they obviously all saw something that the public couldnt from their view and thought the best course of action was to use the taser, and like it was pointed out before they most likely were not trying to kill him most likely just trying to gain control of the incident
dont know if that made any sense :dunno: it is 3:24 which would explain if it doesn't |
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| GQsmooth |
quote:
Originally posted by Godzilla
no so you can have a gun to shoot yourself with because your obviously a pretty big waste of skin if you can't respect the people who work to protect us on a daily basis.
edit: i don't actually condone suicide, its a pussy way out of problems. however the thought still stands, i have no respect for you and your veiwpoints
your a fuckin moron, why the fuck would i respect the people who abuse their power and get away with it...These motherfuckers killed a man, and used excessive force for no reason...This was only 1 fuckin guy, and he was unarmed...why the fuck do you need to taser him? That's quite uncalled for! So STFU with your ass kissing bitch, and i don't give 2 shits what you think about me.. |
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| 4thGenLude |
quote:
Originally posted by polishguy
The issue is why did the RCMP use the taser as a first resort to restrain an individual.
Do you not know the english language either?
Read my post about the Use of Force Module and you'll find out why they used the taser.
I feel like I'm arguing with an elementary class.
Some of you fail to read the posts and ask questions that have already been answered numerous times. :rolleyes: |
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| Tech2 |
http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/reg.../203_98.htm#2.1
From the use of force policy:
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11 Each police force must develop or adopt a use of force model approved by the director and develop a written use of force policy that includes at least the following force options:
(a) officer presence;
(b) communication;
(c) physical control;
(d) intermediate weapons;
(e) lethal force.
[en. B.C. Reg. 211/2000, s. 10.]
For me the issue with the officers in the video is not so much that they used a taser. It's that they skipped a, b, and c above. Kind of like that cop in town here who tased some native guy sleeping in his hotel room. That didn't go over well with the review board either.
Not sure how valuable it is to argue that anyone who isn't an RCMP officer can STFU though. It's a cop out of a reasonable debate (though there certainly are retards posting fuck RCMP and fuck angry airport patrons here). By that logic there isn't a single person on the board as far as I know who is entitled to an opinion, and none of us would be able to comment on shit like going to the doctor, the NHL, or whatever we haven't personally done ourselves.
Questioning these officers' behavior isn't questioning the entire RCMP either (besides the posters making ignorant fuck tha police comments). It's questioning a situation and behavior that led to someone's death. That's why there are 4 inquiries going on as we speak. NOT questioning shit like this, ie injury and deaths under police custody, is dangerous. |
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| ChromeDragon |
They didn't skip a or b, and c is up for debate. They arrived and showed their presence, that obviously didn't stop him from flipping out. They gave visual communications to get down on the ground, he did not. It seems they judged by his body language, past actions and the damage he had already caused that he would be aggressive so they did not want to approach physically and risk harm to themselves without him being subdued first. Now they aren't going to pepper spray the guy indoors and cause them to have to shut down the airport, so they used the other available option of tasering.
I do agree that someone fucked up this situation, but that happened long before the police arrived. This guy never should have been held up in the airport for 10 hours in the first place. |
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| Tech2 |
I'm still of the opinion that they could have used better communication, and that 4 guys should have been able to use a controlled restraint, but it's a side issue compared to...
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Originally posted by ChromeDragon
I do agree that someone fucked up this situation, but that happened long before the police arrived. This guy never should have been held up in the airport for 10 hours in the first place.
Which is by FAR the biggest issue for me. |
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| Invalid Zero |
Was he actually held up? I was under the impression he was waiting for his mom who had told him to wait there for her. She wasn't allowed into the secure area though, so she couldn't get to him. As far as I know he was free to go. From what I can see in the video, he could have left that room at any time. So why are people making it sound like he was a hostage?
Anybody else wonder how many pages this shit storm will go on for?:lol: |
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| Godzilla |
quote:
Originally posted by GQsmooth
your a fuckin moron, why the fuck would i respect the people who abuse their power and get away with it...These motherfuckers killed a man, and used excessive force for no reason...This was only 1 fuckin guy, and he was unarmed...why the fuck do you need to taser him? That's quite uncalled for! So STFU with your ass kissing bitch, and i don't give 2 shits what you think about me..
you obviously care enought to reply to my post. if the tazers hadn't killed him would it have been considered excessive force? as STIPWR said, if you think you could do so much better, go fucking do it. or leave it be. honistly by your posts i would expect that you were maybe 16. GROW THE FUCK UP AND LEARN A LITTLE RESPECT! |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by Tech2
That's why there are 4 inquiries going on as we speak. NOT questioning shit like this, ie injury and deaths under police custody, is dangerous.
Good post. We need to keep those in power always accountable.
All the other stuff is just noise. |
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| polishguy |
quote:
Originally posted by 4thGenLude
Do you not know the english language either?
Read my post about the Use of Force Module and you'll find out why they used the taser.
I feel like I'm arguing with an elementary class.
Some of you fail to read the posts and ask questions that have already been answered numerous times. :rolleyes:
No, i don't speak english, I use BabelFish to write everything :blink:
If its all policy and procedure, why is the entire world talking about this incident? I rest my case here, we'll see how the matter unfolds |
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| Mobius |
| Just curious, was it the taser that killed him? Or was that secondary to a pre-existing medical condition and/or stress placed on him? It looked to me like he was alive and kicking (literally) for some time after he was tasered. Either that or those guys were having a lot of trouble holding down a dead man. |
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| Mobius |
quote:
Originally posted by polishguy
If its all policy and procedure, why is the entire world talking about this incident? I rest my case here, we'll see how the matter unfolds
The whole world is talking about this incident because it became a media circus. |
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| Invalid Zero |
quote:
Originally posted by Mobius
The whole world is talking about this incident because it became a media circus.
And because the whole world is turning into a bunch or PC pussies. |
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| ehos |
And because Canada isn't the safe and polite place that we make it out to be.
Do we have Canadian neocons? Seems like it. People are blaming the 'liberal media' now for things that journalists SHOULD report.
And I keep hearing, 'Tasers are 99.99% safe'. Says who? The police? Taser? Is there independent studies on Tasers to say they are in fact 99.99% safe? Or is it one of those, keep quoting the same thing enough times and it's fact?
... more research...
"The report presents Amnesty International’s assessment that tasers are not being used appropriately by police officers in Canada. The cases included in the report -- such as the use of the weapon to rouse an unconscious man -- indicate that tasers are being used too readily by law enforcement officers and too low down the use-of-force scale and not as a weapon of last resort. The evidence presented suggests that taser use in Canada falls far short of meeting international standards, which among other things stipulate that force should be used only as a last resort and that the amount of force must be proportionate to the threat encountered and designed to minimize damage and injury.
Amnesty International maintains its position that the use of stun guns by law-enforcement officials anywhere should be suspended until a thorough, impartial and independent investigation into the medical and other effects of the weapon. The report ends with a series of detailed recommendations on safer use of the taser for those police departments who continue to use the weapon" |
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| ehos |
And for the people saying 'you werent' there' and all that nonsense, well, how about Paul Prtichard?
He was there. His interview is pretty damning of the RCMP handling of the case.
"Paul Pritchard: "He basically shrugged his shoulders, put up his hands and kind of admitted defeat, if you will. And he'd been banging things; he looked like he admitted -- he pointed at the computer by his side -- he broke something. OK, do what you need to do, obviously, arrest him or whatever. He just wanted to see his mother. I mean, it's been, like, 10 hours. And, you know, they tasered him. They used the taser at that point."
And it's irrelevant or blurring the issue to focus JUST on the taser. The Police used excessive force. (Tasering him twice, 4 guys on on 1, knee on neck, and after he died, they didn't really care to administer any kind of aid). |
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| Invalid Zero |
| Everyone wants to blame everyone else. How about blame the fuckhead who acted like a moron. How about that? |
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| blondy |
quote:
Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Everyone wants to blame everyone else.
Do you think it is really about blaming someone or more questioning when and if a taser should be used?
I am against giving ordinary cops tasers because you have no control that they won't use it as punishment against people who resist, are obnoxious, smell bad or otherwise annoy them....not every police man handles the dogs...
There are police officers who stay calm in situations and others that maybe jump the gun a little and that has been shown in local news stories...maybe more selective choosing as to just who can use the taser.
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How about blame the fuckhead who acted like a moron. How about that?
I don't believe for one minute that you honestly believe this gentleman was a serious threat to anyone...except maybe himself. I bet you have seen worst outbursts from people in bars who have had too much to drink
It has been said that Robert Dziekan'ski may have suffered from a condition called autism spectrum. It was well known that he loved to collect maps and catalogue (sp?) details about all countries. He was a loner and never left his small village until this recent trip.
The autism condition would also explain why he was acting so freaky and scared and totally disoriented in this new environment he was in.
I hope that you never have to deal with a family member who may suffer a mental illness...I think you would get really angry is someone called a love one of yours a "fuckhead" because of their "weird" actions |
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| blondy |
Oh and one more thing :)
It's unfortunate that the RCMP are getting the brunt of this situation...
There are alot of people who are at fault right from the moment the gentleman stepped on the airplane...
Better arrangements should have been made for the passenger...translator...someone to be there to actually meet him etc etc etc
Soon that airport will be full of "foreigners" with the upcoming Olympics I hope by then they will step up on many issues they failed to supply in this situation |
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| Tech2 |
quote:
Originally posted by blondy
It's unfortunate that the RCMP are getting the brunt of this situation...
There are alot of people who are at fault right from the moment the gentleman stepped on the airplane...
Werd. |
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| bryce.f |
| i personally feel/think (without too much thought) that within the contect of the situation *airport* the police were justified in using a tazer. |
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| ehos |
| Typical. Blame the victim. |
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| ehos |
quote:
Originally posted by Invalid Zero
Everyone wants to blame everyone else. How about blame the fuckhead who acted like a moron. How about that?
You mean the fuckhead that used the taser or the fuckhead that was crushing the victim's windpipe?
After reading Paul Pritchards eyewitness report and seeing the video, I've gone from pro-RCMP to anti-RCMP on this one. The victim clearly puts his hands up and looks to be giving up seconds before he's tasered. |
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| gjgud |
i don;t understand why people here think that polish guy was acting like fuckhead what would you say if something like this happened to your mother, sister, brother or your father.. then say it fuckers... this is why we are all up set... RCMP that we are suppost trust to help and protect our friends and family they have acted very aggressive.. to one man thiank one man that did not get help for 10 hours.
if you have passed that vancuber airport as an immigrant i'm pretty sure that all you have experienced same situation, those custom or immigrant officers think they are police and treat you like some kind of criminal... and those cops have over reacted that way even before they try to find out what was going on...
look at the video again he was not helped for 10 hours OK he got mad police was called the man put his hand up ans walk way then he got shot... |
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| Bluestreak |
| The RCMP's first course of action was to taser the guy. With 4 of them there, could they simply not have wrestled him to the ground? |
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| Godzilla |
| i read an article in the paper this mornig about this where the victems wife said that he was not acting like himself and she claimed he looked like a terrorist. personally i would be using force (wich was not intented to be leathal) to subdue a terrorist. |
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| accord90 |
| I bet you if they pulled out their guns and shot him almost everyone on here would be asking why they didn't taser him. |
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Originally posted by accord90
I bet you if they pulled out their guns and shot him almost everyone on here would be asking why they didn't taser him.
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