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| myslohonda |
hey guys,
as my name kidna says i'm driving a slow honda. anyways i've heard one of the best cheap things to make power is a new intake system. i'm just curious, what kind is the best for my car.
thanks,
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| Prudz_lude |
you were told wrong. The best kind is no intake at all.
On a serious note, you were told wrong. The only thing that is going to make that civic fast is turboing it or doing an engine swap. Save your money, don't buy an intake. THe only time you should ever buy an intake is if you are going to replace the air filter. The ebay intakes cost about the same amount as a cheapo filter. |
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| myslohonda |
wouldn't i get any power from it.
also what kind of engine is best to swap, i think the car has a d16 right now. |
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| arabian_ryda |
u can get a reactive filter at jb`s for like 20-30 bcuks and just replace the stock airbox with that...................
agreed with above dont waste your money making it fast unless u wana engine swap.
personally id slam it and put some nice rotas on it. make it a cruiser. |
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| arabian_ryda |
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Originally posted by myslohonda
wouldn't i get any power from it.
also what kind of engine is best to swap, i think the car has a d16 right now.
i had a b18c1 swapped civic coupe and it had some decent power.
best N/A swap would be a h22a out of a 93+ prelude
best forced injection for the money would be a b18c out of a gsr integra
check out honda-tech.com they cover every inch of the eg civic. |
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| myslohonda |
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Originally posted by arabian_ryda
u can get a reactive filter at jb`s for like 20-30 bcuks and just replace the stock airbox with that...................
agreed with above dont waste your money making it fast unless u wana engine swap.
personally id slam it and put some nice rotas on it. make it a cruiser.
what are rotas? like big brakes rotors or something. what would be the easiest swap then, i have a bit of money and i know a bit about working on cars but i don't want to have to fabricate a bucnh of stuff. plus its my only car so i can't really have it undrivable for a long time. |
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| BRITAIN1.8 |
Rota is a wheel comany.
Also, you dont need to engine swap to make power. You will be faster than an h22 if you boost that d16... SOHC are great learning engines.. Parts are cheapish too...
Intake wise, get a an AEM CAI.. thne you can covert it to an SRI in thw winter..
All intakes are basically the same but buying an AEM on or similar makes instrallationa breeze and look better IMO.
You'll see 3hp MAYBE. lol. Car will be louder and you'll probably drive faster though..
An intake was my first mod. If your starting to modify a car instal an intake yourself and it gives you a confidence boost.. It sounds weird but yah..
You could go all motor.. Intake header exhaust.. Make another 15-20hp... Thats always fun! lol. I had an all motor D16 it was fun.. but i was 16 and thought it was king shit hahahah..
try www.clubcivic.com
READ throgh everything.. At an hour or so a day it would take you a month or two but you'll come out knowing alot more. Save yourself time in the long run. THen pick yourself up a helms manual and befriend some other honda people. Bam |
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| arabian_ryda |
oh sorry i meant rota wheels.
ANY B series engines would bolt right in with no fabricating but your looking at around 2-4000 if u wana go this route and depending weather u wana keep it stock or mod it.
if your using it as a daily driver id save up and get something with more potiential. cause if u wana make this fast its gonna cost u an arm and a leg. its more worth while to invest your money in some other platform. |
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| T-LAV MRV |
the eg civic is a good platform to start with.
Honda tech, and Honda hookups are a good place to start as well. Google those names and it should be one of the first sites to show.
i am dd'n and building my DA integra(not alot out for it). a good site to check as well is http://passwordjdm.com/index.aspx and http://www.speedtechracing.com/home.php.
hope that helps.
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| myslohonda |
| hey thanks for the help guys. i don't really have the money for an engine swap yet but i think it is a good idea, especially if i can put a series B engine in easily. where would i go to find an engine, do i need wiring and transmission stuff too or will it work with my stock transmission? |
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| T-LAV MRV |
www.jdmsource.com or ebay. i got my gf's crv b20 from tiger Japanese out of Scarborough, and they have listing on eBay for that
and abit more research might be in your best interests. go onto Honda-tech and research.
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| myslohonda |
| sweet , thanks man, are you a mechanic or something? |
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| T-LAV MRV |
yes, equivalent to 3rd year.
mike |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by BRITAIN1.8
Also, you dont need to engine swap to make power. You will be faster than an h22 if you boost that d16... SOHC are great learning engines.. Parts are cheapish too...
not true. Trevors civic vs my ex prelude was dead on. His turbo civic vs my h22 with minor bolt on's were neck and neck everytime. He would either pull or i would pull.
What it will do is allow you to have the same power. Thats what you should have posted :thumbup: |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by myslohonda
hey thanks for the help guys. i don't really have the money for an engine swap yet but i think it is a good idea, especially if i can put a series B engine in easily. where would i go to find an engine, do i need wiring and transmission stuff too or will it work with my stock transmission?
honestly if you want my friend dylan is selling my old h22. Its the entire swap, ecu, its obd1 (out of a 1993 as stated above), wiring, axles, manifold, injectors yadda yadda. It just does not come with a transmisson. People are saying 2-4000 for a complete swap... This is only 1000 dollars. It just got its new timing belt done, plugs wires, plugs, valve adjustment, etc. Go to the forsale thread. its on page 2 or 3 i think. :thumbup:
Also a h22 in an eg is going to be much faster than a h22 in a prelude and much faster than a turbo'd d16. Something to think about. Its also going to be faster than any stock b series motor. There is only a 40 pound weight difference. |
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| myslohonda |
| thats awesome, the price is almost doable but i need to save for christmas too. would it be a hard swap to do or easy like a series B engine. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| i think you just need to buy some mounts which cost 300 dollars for it to work. On top of that my friend cody will be able to help you with the complete swap for an extremely fair price. He has swapped countless engines, tuned plenty, and is a very respected member on the boards. His user name is Ayeso on these boards. He is also the founder of the sufi car club. He should be able to tell you everything you will need to do to make that swap work. You should have a 13 second car with that motor in an eg. |
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| myslohonda |
| damn, thats got me excieted, what exactlyu is Sufi? |
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| Prudz_lude |
| a edmonton based car club. go to www.sufi.cc |
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| myslohonda |
| thanks i'll check it out. |
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| Prudz_lude |
lol i am still suprised that complete hasn't sold yet. Its the cheapest h22 locally, its a full swap, not just the engine(minus tranny), and on top of that its had every aspect of maintance done.
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| myslohonda |
| would i need a new tranny for it tooo |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by myslohonda
would i need a new tranny for it tooo
Yah. You would want to find a h22 tranny. Tranny code m2y4 or m2b4. They have the shortest gear ratios which means you will get the power faster than one with long gear ratios. The difference between the two is the m2b4 has an LSD while the m2y4 does not.
Your looking at about 700-1200 depending on the condition. If you don't care about the ratios you might be able to get a decent condition one for about 500-600 but don't count on it. Not only that, it will make a noticable difference when you race someone with the same engine and mods. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| I have a h22 m2y4 with zero grinds, extremely strong, only 30k on it. I want 900 right now for it but only if i can locate a h23 transmission. It has longer gears which is better for my boost setup. Find me one and i will trade you mine for yours with a bit of extra cash from you :D |
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| bluciv93 |
| it all comes down to how much do you love your car? how much power you want? and how long your planning on keeping it? if its just something to get you around for a bit and you just want some more power i say turbo that bi*ch, but if its something your planning on keeping and putting alot of time and money into it then do a swap. also after that swap i still say turbo that bi*ch |
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| myslohonda |
| so would you guys say this H22 would be my best option? will i need new drive shafts with the transmission too? i like the idea of an engine swap because it might be more reliable than a turbod d16 |
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| jordanturbo |
I wouldn't do a H22, there will alot more hidden costs with the H22, and performance upgrades are harder to find and are usually more rare than B series upgrades. I think your best bet would be an b18b swap out of an integra, they are a dime a dozen you can have a full swap for about a grand, they make decent gains and have tons of aftermarket support. they are boost friendly due to their lower compression, there are a million turbo kits for them, you can take any b series vtec head and bolt it on for vtec, any b series tranny, etc. and b series parts used are easier to come by then h series. B series drops right in and you have alot more room to work than an h series, wiring will be a little easier, as well as it is easier to find a person to tune a p28 ecu for a b18 vs a H22.
I think best bang for your buck would be the B18b since it is cheap to start with, you wont have the initial power of the H22, but will be able to make more power cheaper. and an intake for your d16 will also work on a b18 |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by jordanturbo
I wouldn't do a H22, there will alot more hidden costs with the H22, and performance upgrades are harder to find and are usually more rare than B series upgrades. I think your best bet would be an b18b swap out of an integra, they are a dime a dozen you can have a full swap for about a grand, they make decent gains and have tons of aftermarket support. they are boost friendly due to their lower compression, there are a million turbo kits for them, you can take any b series vtec head and bolt it on for vtec, any b series tranny, etc. and b series parts used are easier to come by then h series. B series drops right in and you have alot more room to work than an h series, wiring will be a little easier, as well as it is easier to find a person to tune a p28 ecu for a b18 vs a H22.
I think best bang for your buck would be the B18b since it is cheap to start with, you wont have the initial power of the H22, but will be able to make more power cheaper. and an intake for your d16 will also work on a b18
where did you get that info?
What hidden costs are there for the h22 that there are not for the b18? Upgrades are rarer? Where did you get that from? The h22 will make more power whatever you do if its N/A. Even then you can make more turboing. |
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| Ayeso |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
where did you get that info?
What hidden costs are there for the h22 that there are not for the b18? Upgrades are rarer? Where did you get that from? The h22 will make more power whatever you do if its N/A. Even then you can make more turboing.
hes fully building an NA h22... thats probably how :P |
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| element |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
not true. Trevors civic vs my ex prelude was dead on. His turbo civic vs my h22 with minor bolt on's were neck and neck everytime. He would either pull or i would pull.
What it will do is allow you to have the same power. Thats what you should have posted :thumbup:
wow i dunno where you got that from buddy, its weird i just told that to trevor and hes like " man i never even raced that guy haha but trevors civic would of destroyed you like no tomorow. get your shit straight lol
Trevor had TWO Completely different turbo setups...
wich the first one dynoed at 145whp and 140tq and his second well it would of destroyed your heavy prelude |
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| jordanturbo |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
where did you get that info?
What hidden costs are there for the h22 that there are not for the b18? Upgrades are rarer? Where did you get that from? The h22 will make more power whatever you do if its N/A. Even then you can make more turboing.
I was refering to such thing s as mounts etc, it is not quite as easy to drop in as a b series. Rarer upgrades was the wrong wording, what i was trying to say is there is a larger number and wider variety of performance parts for the B series vs the H series. And yes a H22 na will make more power than a B series na with the same mods, but for the money, the B series will be much more affordable. Then worrying about clearances trying to turbo an H22 in an eg is another hassle that is not as big a deal as a b18. There is a reason I think that you see way more B series civics vs H powered ones, and you see many more many more B series engines putting out big power vs H series |
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| jordanturbo |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
where did you get that info?
What hidden costs are there for the h22 that there are not for the b18? Upgrades are rarer? Where did you get that from? The h22 will make more power whatever you do if its N/A. Even then you can make more turboing.
And this person Ayeso, who is so knowledgable in doing swaps and building Honda's, why is he not putting an H22 or K series in his eg but building my old B18 for turbo, my guess is because it is an easier more strait forward swap, that can be built more reliably and affordably than any other honda engine, but thats just a guess |
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| element |
| yep and lets not mention the gay ass FRM sleeves from the h22 |
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| myslohonda |
| whats a k series, is it the higher the letter the bigger the engine? and a guessing that the numbers are the same as the engine size cause my d16 is 1.6L |
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| jordanturbo |
| The only reason I am doing an H22 swap in my civic is because I am slightly retarded, and am spending alot of time and money to build it right naturally aspirated |
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| jordanturbo |
to put its simply the K series is the dohc engine out of the new Honda's/Acuras and for the most part cost big money, swap with out install starts at 5000 o
K20 the 2L out a RSX, or K24 a 2.4 L out of a TSX
H series is the dohc honda engine that came in the prelude and some accords, H22 is the 2.2L vtec model H23 is non vtec
B series came out of the integra and civic and was their dohc engine that came in many different trims and power outputs in both a 1.6L and 1.8L versions |
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| jordanturbo |
| I would do alot of research on forums like honda-tech.com for real answers and recomendations on what swaps and modifications will give you the best bang for the buck power, and How To's will show you how hard or simple the install/swap will be and what you can expect. I would not expect a whole lot of good advice here since most people on this site do not actually know a whole lot about what they are saying, or have actual experience, but like to spout off what ever random info google gave them 5 min after you asked your question, or what EZ had previously recomended to them with their infinite knowledge in honda's with the experience they gained with their crazy $100+k ef civic |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by jordanturbo
I would do alot of research on forums like honda-tech.com for real answers and recomendations on what swaps and modifications will give you the best bang for the buck power, and How To's will show you how hard or simple the install/swap will be and what you can expect. I would not expect a whole lot of good advice here since most people on this site do not actually know a whole lot about what they are saying, or have actual experience, but like to spout off what ever random info google gave them 5 min after you asked your question, or what EZ had previously recomended to them with their infinite knowledge in honda's with the experience they gained with their crazy $100+k ef civic
i hope your not referring to me. |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by element
wow i dunno where you got that from buddy, its weird i just told that to trevor and hes like " man i never even raced that guy haha but trevors civic would of destroyed you like no tomorow. get your shit straight lol
Trevor had TWO Completely different turbo setups...
wich the first one dynoed at 145whp and 140tq and his second well it would of destroyed your heavy prelude
I did not think he would. It was a few times at one of the meets on two different cruises. Not to mention trevor has no clue who i am even though i have talked with him in person. Not to mention only a handful of people even know what my prelude looked like or had in it. |
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| myslohonda |
quote:
Originally posted by jordanturbo
I would do alot of research on forums like honda-tech.com for real answers and recomendations on what swaps and modifications will give you the best bang for the buck power, and How To's will show you how hard or simple the install/swap will be and what you can expect. I would not expect a whole lot of good advice here since most people on this site do not actually know a whole lot about what they are saying, or have actual experience, but like to spout off what ever random info google gave them 5 min after you asked your question, or what EZ had previously recomended to them with their infinite knowledge in honda's with the experience they gained with their crazy $100+k ef civic
thanks man, i'll definitly check it out:thumbup:
what about the sufi site, do those guys no what their talking about |
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| Prudz_lude |
| element is part of sufi i believe, ayeso (cody), is part of sufi, i am actually part of sufi (just haven't met that many of the sufi guys in person) and i would say they know the most out of hondas compared to anybody else in this city. |
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| jordanturbo |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
i hope your not referring to me.
No I ws not picking on you but refering to 90% of the members on this site. There is alot of bullshit to sort through on this site, and the percentage of bullshit to useful info is much better on some other sites.
And yes I would say sufi has very knowledgable members, but the only downside to the site is its lack of members. Most of the info there is good useful stuff, the volume just isnt there as on some bigger forums. But to get questions answered there it would be fairly good |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by jordanturbo
No I ws not picking on you but refering to 90% of the members on this site. There is alot of bullshit to sort through on this site, and the percentage of bullshit to useful info is much better on some other sites.
And yes I would say sufi has very knowledgable members, but the only downside to the site is its lack of members. Most of the info there is good useful stuff, the volume just isnt there as on some bigger forums. But to get questions answered there it would be fairly good
I agree, the thing is thats because there are only a handful of actual educated individuals when it comes to hondas and most of them are in that club. Locally though they are the go to people. |
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| Ayeso |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
I agree, the thing is thats because there are only a handful of actual educated individuals when it comes to hondas and most of them are in that club. Locally though they are the go to people.
Also any questions asked on sufi will always get answered and usually in a respectful way regardless of the question. There is no such thing as a stupid question only a stupid answer, remember we were all new to this at some time or another. |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by Ayeso
Also any questions asked on sufi will always get answered and usually in a respectful way regardless of the question. There is no such thing as a stupid question only a stupid answer, remember we were all new to this at some time or another.
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| BRITAIN1.8 |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
not true. Trevors civic vs my ex prelude was dead on. His turbo civic vs my h22 with minor bolt on's were neck and neck everytime. He would either pull or i would pull.
What it will do is allow you to have the same power. Thats what you should have posted :thumbup:
LOL with the old DSM turbo.. cause he'd kill you now! He killed a g35 coupe too mang. The same g35 was nose in nose with a b18c5 ek hatch. (i.h.e setup) (I was driving the coupe)..
He would kill an h22 now.. His 2nd turbo was the one that killed the g35.. he's on what, his 4th now? Built internals.. For the same price a h22 wouldnt make that power, but thats another debate! |
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| jordanturbo |
Trevor and Cody are 100% Jasonturbo approved
I dont know what SUFI is, and sorry to say it prudz_lude, I dont think you know nearly as much as you think you do. I consistently have seen you posting things related to to tech. on this forum that make me shake my head.
- And yes, what you've heard is true, my initials are JDM |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by BRITAIN1.8
LOL with the old DSM turbo.. cause he'd kill you now! He killed a g35 coupe too mang. The same g35 was nose in nose with a b18c5 ek hatch. (i.h.e setup) (I was driving the coupe)..
He would kill an h22 now.. His 2nd turbo was the one that killed the g35.. he's on what, his 4th now? Built internals.. For the same price a h22 wouldnt make that power, but thats another debate!
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Dear god, how many of you guys saying this stuff realize who i am? Go on sufi, there is a thread about this thread. |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by jordanturbo
Trevor and Cody are 100% Jasonturbo approved
I dont know what SUFI is, and sorry to say it prudz_lude, I dont think you know nearly as much as you think you do. I consistently have seen you posting things related to to tech. on this forum that make me shake my head.
- And yes, what you've heard is true, my initials are JDM
Thats great. I am actually done with 780. Im sick of this community honestly. Since your so smart when it comes to honda's thats great. I don't claim to be the smartest but its not like my facts are incorrect. It just seems like everyone who is into honda's is into B series or D series engines and few and fair between know anything about H series, even less have a clue when it comes to a prelude. They are all about civics. Good day 780, im gone.
"- And yes, what you've heard is true, my initials are JDM" i have no clue what your saying. Not the slightest. |
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| Prudz_lude |
Sooo where am i full of shit? Fuck go read honda tech you tool. If you think a fwd car won't have serious traction issues after 350whp then fuck... i don't even know what to say. They have traction issues after 250whp. As far as my build, Yah i could push 500whp depending on the turbo. You have no clue what i have, you have no clue my setup, you have no idea how much thought and attention to detail has been put into my engine.
Why are you going out of your way to try and make me look like an idiot? Fuck yourself. Your the one who thinks an h22 can handle extremely high compression without a sleeve job. Hell you even thought you could just drop new pistons in it without doing anything to the block. |
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| Prudz_lude |
| After this thread i am out. Most likely due to being banned. |
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| jordanturbo |
Wow
You need to count.. 1... 2.... 3.... 4....
it helps me when i get upset.
Ok look, I'm sorry if you took that the wrong way.
Why are we talking about traction?
Jordan does not know everything, this is not Jordan, it's Jason.
Jason knows everything. If FWD cars have traction problems at 250whp, then why are you boosting an H22? ....
"shakes head" |
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| jordanturbo |
"Large underpowered land yacht"
Thanks for the laugh Cody |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by jordanturbo
Wow
You need to count.. 1... 2.... 3.... 4....
it helps me when i get upset.
Ok look, I'm sorry if you took that the wrong way.
Why are we talking about traction?
Jordan does not know everything, this is not Jordan, it's Jason.
Jason knows everything. If FWD cars have traction problems at 250whp, then why are you boosting an H22? ....
"shakes head"
Maybe because i know how to solve those traction issue and maybe because i simply enjoy driving my prelude. H22's are the prelude engine. I am not going to throw a B series into a prelude. Why do people boost civics? |
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| Ayeso |
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Originally posted by jordanturbo
Trevor and Cody are 100% Jasonturbo approved
I dont know what SUFI is, and sorry to say it prudz_lude, I dont think you know nearly as much as you think you do. I consistently have seen you posting things related to to tech. on this forum that make me shake my head.
- And yes, what you've heard is true, my initials are JDM
SuFi is me and trevors local car club just a group of friends that have weekly meets and go to the 780tuners meets. Mostly hondas.. but anyone is welcome. |
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| kayin |
to summarize, you need to do much more reading...hondatech.com, c-speedracing.com, howstuffworks.com etc etc..
or go chat up a local shop, speedtech, speedway performance etc
Intake isn't the first mod that I would do since you'll get minimal gains, if any at all...we're not talking about butt dyno gains..like any real, significant gains in power.
BUT, if you're just getting started, and want to play around with something, its easy, its cheap, and you can do it yourself. Just make sure everything is tight afterwards, or it could also be a very costly mod:thumbup:
have fun with it, get some basic mods in, get out to the track and see if you really like the hobby. Friends with connections really help, so don't be afraid to talk to people.
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| ZEguy |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
Thats great. I am actually done with 780. Im sick of this community honestly.
Dude chill, it's all good.Different opionions and shit.
No one will question how fast your car is when spring hits, i know about that engine you got and it will be without question your car will rip.
And honestly the community here is alright, i mean i have a squabble or two with some guys on here but we usually work it out in the end, and i prefer it that way.Example, me and a guy got into something, but we made up and what not through PM.
Turns out buddy was the ONLY one that knew where i could get a key to my gay-as-fuck lug nuts on my car.Doubt he would have posted in my thread if we didnt "squash it". |
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by ZEguy
Dude chill, it's all good.Different opionions and shit.
No one will question how fast your car is when spring hits, i know about that engine you got and it will be without question your car will rip.
And honestly the community here is alright, i mean i have a squabble or two with some guys on here but we usually work it out in the end, and i prefer it that way.Example, me and a guy got into something, but we made up and what not through PM.
Turns out buddy was the ONLY one that knew where i could get a key to my gay-as-fuck lug nuts on my car.Doubt he would have posted in my thread if we didnt "squash it".
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Its all good. Turns out jasonturbo joined sufi to spite me i guess :lol:
Im not torn up about anything honestly. I think i have just been spending to much time on the internet lol. I need to take a break or just spend less time while at work sitting on the forums. Maybe i will actually try and do some work instead of school work and forums while i am at work. |
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| Spoonin |
hondas suck and they are slow....
case closed |
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| T-LAV MRV |
alright there mr.ball'n-outta-control sk2 with the phat rims and NO HARDTOP lol.
mike |
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| mattEG |
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Originally posted by T-LAV MRV
alright there mr.ball'n-outta-control sk2 with the phat rims and NO HARDTOP lol.
mike
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| adrian64 |
quote:
Originally posted by Spoonin
hondas suck and they are slow....
case closed
lolz |
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