| REDX2NV |
I mishifted my car about a month ago and bent a few valves.. I decided i would take it into westside acura to see id they could do anything about it. They agreed and took the engine apart only with some extra service records. Anways the excuse for them was lack of oil in the head. I had filed a complaint two weeks previous through honda canada about an excessive oil burning problem(2L in 2000kms-syn 5/30). They said keep an eye on it every 1000 kms and make a consumption report..
Now im stuck in a sticky situation. Acura says i NEGLECTED to put oil in my car. That is total complete BS, i only run mobil 1 syn 5/30 in my car. Previously i had a oil change less than 1000kms later. There is no oil buildup on the pistons that show i neglected to change my oil, only previous servuce records show that it wasnt changed at the dealer(i was told i had no problems extending my warranty, and i got 160k intead of 100k)..
Three days ago i was told that i had no problem and that everything was covered except my valves, which i was happy to replace at my own expense. Now they are trying to relate the valves to the oil burning problem, which in itself has zero relation to eaxh other.
Acura will not change their mind, im seeking legal action against them... Is this a wise choice? They straight up lied straight to my face and will not give a reason why they wont cover it :angry: |
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| scooby_dooby |
| did you raise your redline or anything? |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| mis-shift.. as in you dropped from say 5th to 3rd and like scooby asked.. it redlined big time? IMO you're liable for 100% of the mistake unless covered by warranty.. there is no clause in the warranty saying if you improperly maintain your vehicle that they won't cover it. Get all of your oil change receipts together (hopefully you keep some sort of log book writing down the k.m's on your car at the time of oil change.. how much was drained and how much of what you put in). If not it's their words against yours and they can refuse to work on it, if you do take legal action... you will probably lose and if you don't you will FORCE them to work on it? Or receive monies for trauma or something? What will legal action accomplish.. if anything? I'm just curious |
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| scooby_dooby |
i was just wondering because if you have a stock redline then you should never have bent any valves even on a mis-shift, I mean at the track I fuckt up and went from 3rd to 2nd, bounced off the rev-limiter for a split second, put in the clutch and that was it, no problems.
What I would do, but i'm sure you already have, is pick your arguments, make sure they're 100% valid and don't back down from them. Just keep repeating it and repeating it, if you haver to bitch for 2 hours it's worth it.
When I blew my tranny out for the second time in 6 months, AutoTec told me they wouldn't be able to warranty my tranny because it was obviously driver error. My points were #1 It was winter, icy as hell, and there's no way I was baggin the car #2 - I said look at the clutch(also new), I gaurenteed him it would be mint, meaning I'd babied the car. and #3 It was a used tranny, there's no way to tell what condition the Diff was in previously. I took that risk when buying it, but the risk was supposed to be negated a little since I had warranty.
Those wree my 3 points and I didn't back down, I would not let him hang up on me, just kept repeating it and repeating it, finally after about an hour of chatting on the phone he relented and said they'd cover a new Tranny.
Long story, but basically just sayng that No doesn't resally mean no, it just means you have to stick to your guns, be calm, intelligent and logical. If one guy won't do it try and go over his head or around it.
either way, good luck meng, and sorry to hear about the R |
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| REDX2NV |
Car is prettyy much stock. I had an aem on there for about a week and put the stock back on.
Yea man after coutless bitching, and arguing even to the head honcho's at acura they still said no. The person calling the shots is their district manager who will not speak to the general public(which is f@cking garbage cuz he makes all the decisions and cant be bothered to let his customers know WTF is going on)..
They are all trying to relate everything to the valves, which is not an oil consumption problem. They refused even to check the oil pump, which is a very important part of the oiling system. If this wasnt pumping enough oil, well f@ck im running my engine dry.
I think i will get a quote from them on how much to fix it(new shortblock+new head=$10000)as they insist me to do. I will sue for that amount, but concieveably id probably only get as much as the rebuild. Luckily i make less than $1200 a year so i aquire free student legal services.
I only had the car 5 months, i only did about two oil changes on it. Arent they supposed to knoe about the service records befoe they exetend my warranty. Like c'mon they inspected the car and did a background check on it. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| so you bought it, they did an inspection on it and purchased a warranty thru them? |
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| REFLUX |
Get a lawyer Greg.
Get a lawyer, I highly doubt Acura Canada is going to make this a big deal because it is not worth their time & expenses to go through such measures over a mere $10,000
I wouldn't give up on the legal actions idea just because a new engine & the labour costs can be potentially more than the lawyer fees
Sue for inconvenience of not having a car, loss of a good reputation with your company (if you work and have had to take time off or been late due to loss of a car) and any other area in your life that has been affected by not having a car.
Any reason to sue is valid as long as it is justified and backed up with evidence.
Again, get a lawyer and take legal action. |
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| colossus |
Hate to say this guys, but consumer reports indicate that Honda / Acura dealers are known to be stingy about warranty repairs. I've heard some bad things about particular dealerships. I say stick to your guns, contact Acura's national office, file a complaint, and if your grievance is still not addressed in a fair manner, then go to the Law Courts, get the brochure on CAMPAC <-- the 3rd party mediation group to get the issue resolved. If that fails, then small claims court will be your last step. Filing claims these days costs $100 / action.
Good-luck! Hate to see the big guys keeping the little guy down. ;) |
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| uncle ben |
| Just wondering, If YOU misshifted and bent a few valves, doesent that mean that it's YOUR fault. Otherwise people who want fresh engines in their cars would drive down the highway in fifth and then throw it into first. Am I wrong in thinking this way? I dont mean to be a jerk, but i think that my point is valid. What do you guys think? |
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| CanadianR |
| I agree with Uncle Ben on this one. It seems that Acura is being pretty wishy washy about their reasons for denying warranty, but there sould be no warranty coverage for mis-shifting the car in the first place. Unless there is a known condition that would cause the tranny to be more likely to mis-shift. ( as in the Celica GT-S which had a technical service bulletin out about mis-shifting) Really, if they covered anyone who mis-shifted their car, i'd go blow mine up too at the end of my warranty. As far as the oil consumption goes, i'm guessing you drive the car pretty hard, right? If you do (ie spend a fair amount of time in VTEC) then using copious amounts of oil is normal. While 2L/2000km sounds high, if you're driving the car hard for most of those k's then it's not unlikely. If you do a search on H-T there are lots of threads about oil consumption on R's. This spring, i took a trip with a friend to Schuswap lake and we drove pretty hard, really hard once we got there, we put almost 2000k's on and i used a little over a litre of oil and my buddy ('93 GSR) used two litres of oil. Basically the rpm's we run our engines at just vaporize the oil. Oh, i use Amsoil 10W30. |
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| ChromeDragon |
I just took notice of the fact that you only had the car 5 months, and it was burning a litre every 1000km. You should have had the car in for warranty when that shit was happening. There is absolutely no way you should have to be adding oil to a car with that low of km's(well possibly a little oil, but that's just stupid). I say that you get on their case about how they wouldn't repair the car when you first brought this to their attention. If they refuse to do anything, call the People Helper, they love trashing rich companies. There's no way in hell that they should have told you to "keep an eye on it" and just left it at that. That much oil consumption is pretty indicative of a serious problem.
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| WookeysRX7 |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon@Jun 28 2003, 09:42 AM
I just took notice of the fact that you only had the car 5 months, and it was burning a litre every 1000km. You should have had the car in for warranty when that shit was happening. There is absolutely no way you should have to be adding oil to a car with that low of km's(well possibly a little oil, but that's just stupid). I say that you get on their case about how they wouldn't repair the car when you first brought this to their attention. If they refuse to do anything, call the People Helper, they love trashing rich companies. There's no way in hell that they should have told you to "keep an eye on it" and just left it at that. That much oil consumption is pretty indicative of a serious problem.
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| Pro Drag |
As you yourself stated RedX, you should be on the hook for the parts and labor to replace the valves since you admitedly mis-shifted and over revved the engine. Warranties do not cover neglect or abuse.
The oil consumption issue should still be addressed under warranty however, unless Honda wants to admit that VTEC will lead to increased oil consumption. |
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| BLK_LBL |
| Greg Just go buy another $300 mustang. The old 'Stang went to hell and back at least 3 or 4 times before it finally blew B) |
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| scooby_dooby |
quote:
Originally posted by REDX2NV@Jun 28 2003, 07:59 AM
Luckily i make less than $1200 a year so i aquire free student legal services.
be careful about that, when I was going to NAIT is was actually losing money every year and I used Legal Aid. I thought it would be provided free, but 2 years later(no shit) I got a bill for $800 from legal aid.
and the lawyer's there are bums too, might be better off getting a real lawyer. |
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| scooby_dooby |
quote:
Originally posted by BLK_LBL@Jun 28 2003, 10:37 AM
Greg Just go buy another $300 mustang. The old 'Stang went to hell and back at least 3 or 4 times before it finally blew B)
so did my $400 prelude, 385,000km, still running strong...smoky! but strong... :bigthumbup: |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| I'm still sticking to my guns... YOU mis-shifted therefore driver error and therefore no longer under warranty.. it didn't just "go" like a timing belt or a power steering pump.. you made an error while driving so imo if I was the shop foreman you'd be on the hook for us even looking at the car |
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| Davegs |
I agree with the above and it was your mistake there for your problem. BUT you said you misshifted while, acura has a protect redline and if you go over your redline then the computer will shutdown the fuel and everything it needs to protect the motor, whatever you were doing to have the pistons come up that high and hit your values you shouldn't have be doing it. Just remember these mechanics are trained and will not spend money on something if the owner messed it up themselfs. I still think your first mistake was taking it to West side acura but hey thats just me... You should try bring it to south view acura and see what they say or just come in and talk to brain about it....
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| mrintegra |
| man, you are just tring to blame you own fault onto other people, if you don't know how to shift its your own problem |
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| BLK_LBL |
quote:
man, you are just tring to blame you own fault onto other people, if you don't know how to shift its your own problem
Isnt the rev limiter supposed to prevent this from happening?
Honestly REDX, you shouldnt have told them about the missed shift. I think if you do take this to court, then that could kill your case. But if you really want to fight this, grab the yellow pages, and just find a lawyer that offers free consultations. Im sure you could get some valuable free info from it.
and if you dont get any good free info, well theres tons of lawyers, just get as many free consultations as possible.
But honestly I'm guna have to say you should just buy another junker. It beats driving around in a rental Echo. |
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| REDX2NV |
I never told them i mishfted AT all. They determined it was bent valves that caused it run like shit.
The main concern is there is scoring in the head from lack of oil. They said that is quite unusual, and that they would cover it with a brand new head. My expense being a set of valves at $24 each(24*16=something). Now they turned theire backs on me and NO way, and no reason at all.
The valves had zero to do with the oil problem, they knew that i knew that. They dont wan to take fault for anything.
Its kinda a 2 sided story, but i would cover my fuckup(bent valves)but i will not cover a set of rings, new head yadeyadda... |
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| REDX2NV |
Oh yea when i called Acuras hq's, they pretty much laughed at me :angry:
They said it was the dealers decision, westside said it was acuras canada fault. Called back and said it was their district managers decision, which cannot be contaced by the public. honestly i dont even think this guy exists, they are all yanking my chain. |
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| mrintegra |
| BLK LBL, the rev limiter only pervent overrevving on up shifts, but when you misshift from 5th to 2nd, the rev limiter is not gonna stop the engine from revving to 13000 rpm |
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| REDX2NV |
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Originally posted by mrintegra@Jun 28 2003, 03:18 PM
BLK LBL, the rev limiter only pervent overrevving on up shifts, but when you misshift from 5th to 2nd, the rev limiter is not gonna stop the engine from revving to 13000 rpm
3rd to 2nd not 5th to 2nd. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| so you're trying to f@ck Acura for your own problems... man that's not cool, that's why our insurance is 5 g's a yr.. so ppl can f@ck the insurance companies for a dime |
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| REDX2NV |
quote:
Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Jun 28 2003, 04:51 PM
so you're trying to f@ck Acura for your own problems... man that's not cool, that's why our insurance is 5 g's a yr.. so ppl can f@ck the insurance companies for a dime
man what the f@ck are you talking about. read back to my posts about what is happening before your try and look like a tough guy.
what does this have to with insurance? if you dont want to help and enlightne my situtaion, STFU!
I AM NOT SUING THEM OF BENT VALVES!!! You guys cant f@cking get that through your head.... |
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| Type. K |
so now you have a engine that isnt toghter and a possible 10 grand tab?
that is so not cool. I think that you should cover your valves (as you have stated) and they pay for the scored head and such, it only seems simple.
I dont realy understand how they can spring a 10 grand bill on you all of a sudden, that is just plain silly..... :wacko: |
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| SplineZ |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Jun 28 2003, 04:51 PM
so you're trying to f@ck Acura for your own problems... man that's not cool, that's why our insurance is 5 g's a yr.. so ppl can f@ck the insurance companies for a dime
Insurance has nothing to do with this.. its idiots who crash their daddies bimmers that cause the insurance problems :)
hrm... they are willing to spring for a new head and labour? I'd say cut your losses there, and pay for valves.. if they'll let you..
If you talked to them before about the oil consumption problem, and they told you to "watch it", then I guess they'd be semi-responsible for your scored head.. the valves would be your bag... which you'd have to pick up
but atleast everything is apart.. so them puttin the vavles in should be not expensive..
One question.. How can this engine be 10k? I am not quite up to spec on honda engines, but doesnt that seem a little steep? specially for a stock engine.. *shrug* You could pick up a used engine, rebuild it to stock specs, or hop it up for much less i'd assume..
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| scooby_dooby |
Red, do you have a mom? I know I do....QUIT PREACHIN
96-2000 Type R Complete swap = $6000 CDN + Shipping($670 CDN at the most).
+ duty and gst of course ($900) ;)
You only need the shortblock though...might be easier to buy the swap and part it out? you could make some SWEET coin by parting it all out . Think about it:
- LSD Hydrolic Tranny (S80)
- ECU (P73)
- Axles with Half Shaft
- Shift Linkage
- Stock Motor Mounts
- Alternator
- Starter
- Clutch
- Flywheel
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Distributor
- Engine Harness
You could make back some serious coin.... |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by scooby_dooby@Jun 28 2003, 08:31 PM
You only need the shortblock though...
From my understanding he needs the LONGBLOCK. Shortblock would only be the actual engine block itself including the internals. |
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| redbaron303 |
Greg I'm not sure your posts have been 100% clear?
I know you messed up some valves b/c of a misshift, and your taking ownership of that basically asking to pay for the valves and the costs of the problem you've caused...
But I'm not sure what you're asking them to warranty??? You have a scored head, which by the sounds of it isn't a good thing, and that was caused b/c the car started to burn tons of oil as a manufacturers defect and it's caused you that problem amongst other problems??? I guess I"m just not following your many posts, sorry man! |
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| scooby_dooby |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag@Jun 28 2003, 08:551 PM
From my understanding he needs the LONGBLOCK. Shortblock would only be the actual engine block itself including the internals.
longblock usually means engine with all the stuff like alternator, starter, distributor, intake manifold, oil and water pumps etc etc, no tranny or ecu though.
shortblock is just the engine, nothing else. |
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| SplineZ |
A short block is the term used for the block with the crank, rods, pistons,
cam and timing chain installed. Some come with an oil pump as well.
A long block is the same thing only with the cylinder heads installed.
Depending on the manufacturer / remanufacturer, the long block may or may
not come with the "covers", like valve/timing/oil pan, etc..
engines with accessories are "pulled" :)
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| Pro Drag |
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby@Jun 28 2003, 09:07 PM
longblock usually means engine with all the stuff like alternator, starter, distributor, intake manifold, oil and water pumps etc etc, no tranny or ecu though.
shortblock is just the engine, nothing else.
Where do YOU get your "information"? |
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| SplineZ |
quote:
Originally posted by Pro Drag@Jun 28 2003, 08:55 PM
quote:
Originally posted by scooby_dooby@Jun 28 2003, 09:07 PM
longblock usually means engine with all the stuff like alternator, starter, distributor, intake manifold, oil and water pumps etc etc, no tranny or ecu though.
shortblock is just the engine, nothing else.
Where do YOU get your "information"?
scooby's definition would be nicer for the people that are "wallet minded" it'd be nice to beable to buy a longblock and have EVERYTHING needed :) ahhh sweet dreams... :crying:
Unfortunatly Pro Drag is right.. but its not as nice on the wallet :D
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| scooby_dooby |
| just when I was calling around town looking for engines, this is basically what I was told. a few guys referred to a longblockhaving everything, whereas the shortblock was just the engine. guess not... |
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| Insomniac |
So let me see if I have this straight:
Your car was consuming more oil than it should.
You over-reved your motor on a 3-2 shift and bent your valves
Your motor is now f*cked
You want to pay for the bent valves, but have Acura pay for everything else? |
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| REDX2NV |
quote:
Originally posted by Insomniac@Jun 28 2003, 10:28 PM
So let me see if I have this straight:
Your car was consuming more oil than it should.
You over-reved your motor on a 3-2 shift and bent your valves
Your motor is now f*cked
You want to pay for the bent valves, but have Acura pay for everything else?
your on the ball, even if i ovvereved it it shouldnt have a lack of oil in the head.
The rings seem like they didnt seat well and burnt quite a bit of oil.
I was told by acura all i have to pay for is the valves, nothing else. Now i have to pay for everything :( |
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| REDX2NV |
quote:
Originally posted by redbaron303@Jun 28 2003, 07:05 PM
But I'm not sure what you're asking them to warranty??? You have a scored head, which by the sounds of it isn't a good thing, and that was caused b/c the car started to burn tons of oil as a manufacturers defect and it's caused you that problem amongst other problems??? I guess I"m just not following your many posts, sorry man!
Yes, how could my mishift lead to a oil burning problem-even though i claimed the problem before i actualy msihifted. Im just frustarted now, i hate it when people lie to me.. |
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| redbaron303 |
Sometimes ppl tend to run you around on warranty issues... it comes out of Acura's pocket and they would prefer you pay for it!
Goodluck in getting your problem resolved, hopefully you'll have your car back on the road soon. |
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| 1mns13 |
| Back to the chunk of concrete that damaged your oil pan. Would this have caused your problems? I understood that you noticed the oil level low when you checked it at your friend's at I believe you said 12:30? Maybe the county should be on the hook, or they might say a car at stock ride height might have cleared it. |
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| REDX2NV |
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Originally posted by 1mns13@Jun 29 2003, 08:03 AM
Back to the chunk of concrete that damaged your oil pan. Would this have caused your problems? I understood that you noticed the oil level low when you checked it at your friend's at I believe you said 12:30? Maybe the county should be on the hook, or they might say a car at stock ride height might have cleared it.
hmm the thing is when that happened, the chunk was right beside the gas station.. i pulled into th parking lot and had it twoed from there.
the chunk cleared the escalade in front of me, but i git it. that f@cker was huge like the size of a shoebox.. |
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| BLK_LBL |
Im not even sure I get this completely....
So lets just pretend you didnt bend those valves on the misshift.... Was there any damage from the engines lack of oil? |
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| Insomniac |
REDX2NV Posted: May 23 2003, 05:42 PM
"I'l summarize this in a timeline of events, alot easier to explain..
7:30 pm--> Driving down baseline road in sherwood park to have a BBQ at my buds house...Had an encounter with a massive f@cking chunk of conrete(like 10"x10") and it his so hard i though i broke my front lip right off the car... Get out and do a visual inspection, my front lip is all right (dam that thing is TOUGH), check around everything seems fine so i'm on my way..
12:30 am--> Take off from my friends to go home to get a nice sleep, oil light is on=oh shit(thought my motor was blown- i have a little oil burning problem!!!!)..Pull over to check oil, wont even register on the dipstick so i muster over to the closest gas station..
"12:35 am--> Arrive at mowhawk and buy 2 litres if 5/30 mowhawk special oil...Pour it in, and nothing at all still, wtf is going on here...Back up two feet and there is a huge fuggin puddle of oil
12:40 am--> Call ama for a tow...They said they would be 1/2 hr to 45 mins...Drive car a incy bit over to get away from the pumps. I jacked the car up to check to see the problem and whadda ya know, oil pan is fugged up around the drain plug
1:10 am--> Dropped car back down just as the tow truck driver to arrive, no freakin way this is car is gettin on that truck, it is wayyyy to low . Called around the city to get a flatdeck and no-one had one at all ...Dam im in for a LONG NIGHT "
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After reading everything your wrote, I think your trying to get a free ride after abusing your motor.
Your complaining about lack of oil? How about the lack of oil when you destroyed your oil pan, dropped your oil, and drove off to buddy's house? That and the over-reving icident, and you think you're only responsible for paying for 16 shiny new valves, I don't think so. |
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| 1mns13 |
| Thank you, insomniac. I'm not very good at using the quote feature. |
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| REDX2NV |
quote:
Originally posted by Insomniac@Jun 29 2003, 10:26 AM
REDX2NV Posted: May 23 2003, 05:42 PM
"I'l summarize this in a timeline of events, alot easier to explain..
7:30 pm--> Driving down baseline road in sherwood park to have a BBQ at my buds house...Had an encounter with a massive f@cking chunk of conrete(like 10"x10") and it his so hard i though i broke my front lip right off the car... Get out and do a visual inspection, my front lip is all right (dam that thing is TOUGH), check around everything seems fine so i'm on my way..
12:30 am--> Take off from my friends to go home to get a nice sleep, oil light is on=oh shit(thought my motor was blown- i have a little oil burning problem!!!!)..Pull over to check oil, wont even register on the dipstick so i muster over to the closest gas station..
"12:35 am--> Arrive at mowhawk and buy 2 litres if 5/30 mowhawk special oil...Pour it in, and nothing at all still, wtf is going on here...Back up two feet and there is a huge fuggin puddle of oil
12:40 am--> Call ama for a tow...They said they would be 1/2 hr to 45 mins...Drive car a incy bit over to get away from the pumps. I jacked the car up to check to see the problem and whadda ya know, oil pan is fugged up around the drain plug
1:10 am--> Dropped car back down just as the tow truck driver to arrive, no freakin way this is car is gettin on that truck, it is wayyyy to low . Called around the city to get a flatdeck and no-one had one at all ...Dam im in for a LONG NIGHT "
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After reading everything your wrote, I think your trying to get a free ride after abusing your motor.
Your complaining about lack of oil? How about the lack of oil when you destroyed your oil pan, dropped your oil, and drove off to buddy's house? That and the over-reving icident, and you think you're only responsible for paying for 16 shiny new valves, I don't think so.
I had claimed the oil problem before the oil pan was scraped, i was driving and the oil light came on when i was right beside mowhawk. the car ran and drove fine after that.. |
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| 00'GSRteg |
| what i say is that your a moron for shifting from 5th to 3rd how is that a misshift that is simply retarted. If you were Acura would you warrenty some kid with a $30,000 car that can't drive it and it was personal error why the engine is messed up in the frist place? Sure you paid for a warrenty but that dosn't give you the buy you the right to drive your car to hell. |
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| stealth |
quote:
Originally posted by 00'GSRteg@Jun 29 2003, 03:59 PM
what i say is that your a moron for shifting from 5th to 3rd how is that a misshift that is simply retarted. If you were Acura would you warrenty some kid with a $30,000 car that can't drive it and it was personal error why the engine is messed up in the frist place? Sure you paid for a warrenty but that dosn't give you the buy you the right to drive your car to hell.
Dont be so harsh man. Maybe if there was oil in the car there would not be a problem, its the oilconsumption shit probably. |
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| redbaron303 |
| Remember redx did say there was a problem w/ his head b4 his misshift error, and he's also said he would pay for the parts he broke during his mis shift, but would like them to warranty the "oil problem"... . |
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| REDX2NV |
quote:
Originally posted by 00'GSRteg@Jun 29 2003, 03:59 PM
what i say is that your a moron for shifting from 5th to 3rd how is that a misshift that is simply retarted. If you were Acura would you warrenty some kid with a $30,000 car that can't drive it and it was personal error why the engine is messed up in the frist place? Sure you paid for a warrenty but that dosn't give you the buy you the right to drive your car to hell.
man you are stupid as shit, how bout you read the f@cking posts before you come post on here, im sick of explaining myself to you wee-todds...even if you had read the posts i had staed i misshifted from 3rd to 2nd.
misshifting yes it happens, im sure everyone has done it at least once, unfortunately my motor went with it.
im sorry if your gealous of a kid like me who can afford an r and not had to settle as a gsr. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| hey greg sorry for being so hard... I mis-shifted from 5th to 3rd (instead of down to 4th) once on the Porsche... cause i'm a f@cking idiot and then popped it out immediately and my car was absolutely mint after.. not a problem at all and that car is 30 yrs. old and leaks oil like a sev (sp?) so your engine should not f@ck up with that close of a shift even if you did over-rev the bastard.... get a lawyer and fight the fuckers :bigthumbup: |
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| 00'GSRteg |
| ahahahah thats gotta be the funniest thing i've ever heard!! I'm jelous of your type r thats got a blown engine and sitting in some shop,, mean while i've never had one problem with my car and a gsr has sooo much more potential than a type r. By listening to what you say you probably just bought a type r just so people would think your cool and look at you, and sorry i don't have rich parents that buy me any car i want. Oh ya and how did you miss going from 3rd to 2nd what did you do put it into 4th!!???? I don't get!! |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by 00'GSRteg@Jun 29 2003, 03:59 PM
what i say is that your a moron for shifting from 5th to 3rd how is that a misshift that is simply retarted. If you were Acura would you warrenty some kid with a $30,000 car that can't drive it and it was personal error why the engine is messed up in the frist place? Sure you paid for a warrenty but that dosn't give you the buy you the right to drive your car to hell.
I am getting tired of people like this.
My patience is growing thin and copying & pasting the V8Less Posting Rules is becoming very tedious.
00'GSRteg: You are to read the forum posting rules before you begin posting. Being this is your FIRST post...
1) I wouldn't act so cocky and narrow-minded if I were you.
2) I will be nice and copy&paste the rule you have broken.
4) Please be respectful of other members and moderators.
Don't start a flame war, or attack another user. This action is not welcome here PERIOD.
Do not continue with the attitude you have shown us in the early stage of your membership.
This is your first and last warning.
--Terry
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a gsr has sooo much more potential than a type r.
I don't drive a Honda myself but I am very confident to say that an ITR has a TREMENDOUS amount of potential, much more than your GS-R. |
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| redbaron303 |
00gsrteg, man chill out a minute there... no need to try and start a flamewar... if you find what happened to redx2nv funny, then sit there and laugh your ass off at work, home, where ever you are...
At least he's got the balls to admit to a mistake he made...
ANd he said he misshifted from 3rd down to 2nd (from what I read), so I presume he was trying to "speed" shift into 4th but missed... :(
Don't be so hard on the guy, its not your car and your problem, but feel free to try and offer him any helpful hints on how he can get his car back running and on the roads! |
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| REDX2NV |
Terry can you do me a big favour and delete this thread? Too much flaming and i cant defend myself anymore, theres more to life than arguing on the net..
But c'mon, i mishifted once in the enitre time i owned the car and went poof.. i was going 110-120 when this happened..
Im sorry if offended anyone, but im a bind and all thank all the poeple for the input on this thread.
00gsrteg, i dont appreciate your input in this thread-if you dont have anything positive or informative information please dont say it at all, especially with your big 2 post count you have lost respect from most members on this site.
Slowazz-its cool, dont want to seem like a dick too...but just think that one time you did it your engine could have been toast too.. scary stuff huh.. |
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| Insomniac |
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Originally posted by REDX2NV@Jun 29 2003, 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Insomniac@Jun 29 2003, 10:26 AM
REDX2NV Posted: May 23 2003, 05:42 PM
"I'l summarize this in a timeline of events, alot easier to explain..
7:30 pm--> Driving down baseline road in sherwood park to have a BBQ at my buds house...Had an encounter with a massive f@cking chunk of conrete(like 10"x10") and it his so hard i though i broke my front lip right off the car... Get out and do a visual inspection, my front lip is all right (dam that thing is TOUGH), check around everything seems fine so i'm on my way..
12:30 am--> Take off from my friends to go home to get a nice sleep, oil light is on=oh shit(thought my motor was blown- i have a little oil burning problem!!!!)..Pull over to check oil, wont even register on the dipstick so i muster over to the closest gas station..
"12:35 am--> Arrive at mowhawk and buy 2 litres if 5/30 mowhawk special oil...Pour it in, and nothing at all still, wtf is going on here...Back up two feet and there is a huge fuggin puddle of oil
12:40 am--> Call ama for a tow...They said they would be 1/2 hr to 45 mins...Drive car a incy bit over to get away from the pumps. I jacked the car up to check to see the problem and whadda ya know, oil pan is fugged up around the drain plug
1:10 am--> Dropped car back down just as the tow truck driver to arrive, no freakin way this is car is gettin on that truck, it is wayyyy to low . Called around the city to get a flatdeck and no-one had one at all ...Dam im in for a LONG NIGHT "
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After reading everything your wrote, I think your trying to get a free ride after abusing your motor.
Your complaining about lack of oil? How about the lack of oil when you destroyed your oil pan, dropped your oil, and drove off to buddy's house? That and the over-reving icident, and you think you're only responsible for paying for 16 shiny new valves, I don't think so.
I had claimed the oil problem before the oil pan was scraped, i was driving and the oil light came on when i was right beside mowhawk. the car ran and drove fine after that..
I think you have things confused. Oil consumption, and damage to the head are probably not related.
Maybe your car burned some oil because the rings sucked...
So then you hit a block of concrete, drop all of your oil on the road, keep driving with no oil, then mis-shift and over-rev your motor, and you want a new motor (minus the 16 shiny new valves you're willing to pay for). This makes no sense to me (do I have everything right?) |
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| REDX2NV |
| i beleive the rings werent seated properly, thus leading to mass oil consumption.i drove my car about 20 feet to the gas station..the leak was slow but fast enough to lose it all within a few hours |
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| scooby_dooby |
it is bogus that your engine went with one mis-shift. like he said it happens to everyone and no-one normally blow an engine the first time. That's seriously weak.
But Acura has no way of knowing what you did, just that you did something wrong big-time. The fact that you aren't admitting to anything probably pissed them off, since they know something happened, obviously.
Did you buy your car used? Maybe it wasn't the first time this happened. |
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| REDX2NV |
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Originally posted by scooby_dooby@Jun 29 2003, 06:29 PM
it is bogus that your engine went with one mis-shift. like he said it happens to everyone and no-one normally blow an engine the first time. That's seriously weak.
But Acura has no way of knowing what you did, just that you did something wrong big-time. The fact that you aren't admitting to anything probably pissed them off, since they know something happened, obviously.
Did you buy your car used? Maybe it wasn't the first time this happened.
acura didnt ask once, they said they didnt care what happed. they said tehy base everyting upon physical evidence.
here is the kicker, i kept all my oil change stickers since i bought my car. they said if i didnt change my oil regularly they would be oil buildup on the rings. the psitons had zero crap buildup on them, but acura said that there was no recepts or record for every oil change ever done on the car. talk about hypocrits, i thought they based it upon physical evidence..
to get warranty work done to your motor, acura requires that you spend $95 and get all your oilchanges there... f@ck that i live nowhere near acura and im not going out of my way to do something which can be done locally for alot cheaper.
i bought the car used, it was out even before i had my licence.. acura fully inspected the car and willingly extended my warranty. |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
| need the name of a good lawyer? ;) |
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| REDX2NV |
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Originally posted by SlowAzzPorsche911T@Jun 29 2003, 08:01 PM
need the name of a good lawyer? ;)
i got one, thanks :mellow: |
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| scooby_dooby |
| so what's your plan man? are you gonna get that baby back on the road? |
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| REDX2NV |
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Originally posted by scooby_dooby@Jun 29 2003, 08:40 PM
so what's your plan man? are you gonna get that baby back on the road?
yup, in about two weeks with some minor internal mods hehe :P |
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| scooby_dooby |
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Originally posted by REDX2NV@Jun 29 2003, 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by scooby_dooby@Jun 29 2003, 08:40 PM
so what's your plan man? are you gonna get that baby back on the road?
yup, in about two weeks with some minor internal mods hehe :P
awesome. good to hear! |
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| NCC-1701D |
| just a question...what year type r..how many km on it and when did you start using synthetic oil in it? |
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| CanadianR |
| Really, it seems some of the people don't really get it in this thread. If you mis-shift a car from 3 to 2 at redline you WILL wreck your engine. Yes, the rev limiter will shut down the injectors but the engine is mechanically engaged when the clutch is let out, causing the engine to rev to probably 11,000 to 12,000 rpm, the injectors can't stop that from happening. The B18C5 is a tough engine but it can't handle revs like that. If you misshift a couple thousand rpm before redline you will have no problems, it's only at or close to redline. Go look on a Celica forum and check out the number of threads regarding the same thing happening to GT-S's because of a tendancy to want to go from third to second instead of fourth. Also, misshifting could have caused all the damage that happened to Greg's car, i'm sure we've all seen the RSX mis-shift video and the aftereffects on that engine. Unfortunately, there seems to have been a pre-existing condition with your engine, but i'm sure when Acura discovered that something like a mis-shift occured they probably decided that you would be on the hook for any problems. I know you didn't tell them about the mis-shift, but i have a feeling they were able to tell, cuase when i read one of your posts saying what was wrong with your car my first reaction was to say mis-shifted car. Sorry, i don't really have any advice for you, i'm not really sure what you should do, but i think fixing the car should be your responsibility. On the good side i know you have the money to rebuild it, and if i were you i'd rebuild it better than stock. |
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| CanadianR |
| For the posts talking about excessive oil consumption, you have to realize that the kind of driving done will greatly affect the amount of oil consumed by a B18C. For Acura to do warranty work for excessive consumption on one the car must use 1.5L of oil per 1000km, so i was told by Westside Acura. If you drive a b18C engine hard, it will use alot of oil, if anyone doesn't believe me check on Honda Tech or Team Integra, everyone experiences it if they drive the car hard. I will say tough, that it seems Greg's car was using quite a bit of oil, even for a B18C5. |
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| REDX2NV |
I agree Canadian R, thanks for your input. I appreciate it. I think the tach may have seen just about 10k rpms, but it wast pegged. After i did that the car drove fine for about two minutes, and bam it dropped like a rock when i pulled into the gas station. I guess this just an oppurtunity to go bigger and badder, but i feel acura has to have some responsibility in regards to the rings. I'm still confused on how the head was scored and what could have caused it. It seems like some dirt or particles gave gotten in there by the way it had been scored, the marks are very uneven and only on the one lobe.
I know your car can burn alot of oil in the upper rpm range, but i only do spirited driving once in while. I tend to be easy on my car since its my daily driver ;) |
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| BLK_LBL |
| hey greg wana go destroy some go-karts today? it'll make u feel better |
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| CanadianR |
| What kind of stuff are you thinking about replacing for the rebuild? Yeah, it seems then that that was alot of oil. I usually go through about 1.5-2 L of oil per 5000k and i either drive the car fairly easy or quite hard, depends on the situation, usually harder lately. |
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| Lethal |
fuk Acura westside and southside... all their techs are stupid fawk faces. and the managment can suk my cack to
motha fukas have to prove u FUKED up
i say take it all the way and fuk em over
FAWK ACURA MOTHA FUKAS
i8 them for my own reason
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| Lethal |
the stupid fawks when I had my gsr said I needed over 3g's in repair lol
rite.. my clucth was going but the fuker said that b4 he took it out for a test drive lol. oh and ya my front rite cv boot had a minor crack but they said my axle was cracked..... tried to lie...
they needed to replace my entire muffler because the tips were gone lol.
but when i asked him if there was any holes on the muffler he said "i dont know i didnt check I just listend to it"
then when i said "ok so theres no holes or nothing?" he goes "oh well i saw tiny holes" fawker just asid he didnt check tho? moron. hahaha
oh and the techy did a compression test saying its too high for my motor lol FUKN PIECE OF CRAP FUK HEAD
I told him its supposed to be like this etc.. he goes no its not supposed to be this high and i go how u know and he goes cuz preludes etc the same etc and i go f@ck no ever motor is differnt etc. and he goes well integra motor the same as prelude motor etc just differnt HP output hahah
and im like really so u work on tons of b17a's? and his response "ya plenty" LOL RITe u fukn pos tahts why g2 gsr is so rare.. god dam ACURA CAN SUK MY DIK
werd
oh 4 days later I took my car elsewhere and it came out wiked. under 1000 to replace everything etc.
oh one more funny thing.... they said I needed to ugprade my fukn AC to the new refrigdant etc... GUESS WHAT? motha fukas i did that last yaer at AUTOtemp when my AC went OUT. did the new conversion etc. and got the paper work for that.. but Acura thinks I need to do it again?
so fawk Acura and their managment and staff... they can suk my dik and i wish all of them to hell |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by REDX2NV@Jun 29 2003, 06:04 PM
Terry can you do me a big favour and delete this thread? Too much flaming and i cant defend myself anymore, theres more to life than arguing on the net..
seems that people have died off & there is no more need to defend yourself
g/l with your hype-r mang ;)
Lethal: that's why I don't take my car to the dealership either.... |
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| REDX2NV |
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Originally posted by REFLUX@Jun 30 2003, 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by REDX2NV@Jun 29 2003, 06:04 PM
Terry can you do me a big favour and delete this thread? Too much flaming and i cant defend myself anymore, theres more to life than arguing on the net..
seems that people have died off & there is no more need to defend yourself
g/l with your hype-r mang ;)
Lethal: that's why I don't take my car to the dealership either....
thanks t-dogg...without you v8less would be the new E-O!
oh yea acura quoted me nearly $3000 just for labour. PE is hooking me up for wayyyyy less..
oh yea they also tried to charge me for taking the motort out, which i replied no f**cking way ahah and they agreed and cut my losses at that. |
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| REFLUX |
np Greg
question for you though, so what exactly is happening with your engine now? |
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| Badazz |
This would not be the car u run nitrous on, Would it?
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ok airhead...unfortunatley for you im one of the few on this board who actuallys runs nitrous, so till you can back up your statements STFU!
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| midnite |
| i believe his truck uses the n2o |
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| 1mns13 |
| Who is PE having to build your engine? To my knowledge they have no techs there. |
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| Badazz |
A speed shop without tecs? How the f#^$ are they sapos to know anthing about cars? books? i dont think so.
Go to extreme machine, very good work |
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| redbaron303 |
| they have plenty of techs that hang around there... |
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| TheWask |
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Originally posted by Badazz@Jul 2 2003, 12:30 AM
A speed shop without tecs? How the f#^$ are they sapos to know anthing about cars? books? i dont think so.
Go to extreme machine, very good work
You always base things off of someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Not a knock on 1mns13 he is just inncorect, but like he said he wasen't sure.
Extreme Machine? Never heard of this place. |
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| 1mns13 |
| Thanks for the correction. My understanding was that Hanson and James did not have any employees. And neither of them is a mechanic. Anyhow, I'd still like to know who they have building Greg's engine. |
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| REDX2NV |
i Can trust Hanson and James, if you ask them them about Honda's they will give you an ear-full aboy their experience. They have a reputation and they and would want to keep it that way.
Not to metion Rich, Way, and whomever else are certified honda techs less than 1 km away!
Im sure Hanson and James know more than some techs, especially more than those that havent seen anything less than 8 cylinders in their life. A honda is much more technical than a single cam pushrod v8. And if you think not i have built a v8 before and this motor is light years ahead! |
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| Pro Drag |
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Originally posted by REDX2NV@Jul 2 2003, 12:02 AM
i Can trust Hanson and James, if you ask them them about Honda's they will give you an ear-full aboy their experience. They have a reputation and they and would want to keep it that way.
Not to metion Rich, Way, and whomever else are certified honda techs less than 1 km away!
Im sure Hanson and James know more than some techs, especially more than those that havent seen anything less than 8 cylinders in their life. A honda is much more technical than a single cam pushrod v8. And if you think not i have built a v8 before and this motor is light years ahead!
Are you not kissing your factory warranty away? Or have you given up on Acura already? |
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| SplineZ |
extreme machine is out on 118th ave, near gregs distributors.. the place is mostly geared towards musclecar heads instead of the import scene.. but their techs work on EVERYTHING under the sun..
Alot of places that rebuild engines outsource Extreme Machine to do it for them. I am pretty sure thats who did my engine.. HED sourced them to do it a few years ago... Extreme has all the stuff needed to all the work in house afaik.
James Z |
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| REFLUX |
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Originally posted by Pro Drag@Jul 1 2003, 10:41 PM
Are you not kissing your factory warranty away? Or have you given up on Acura already?
*nod* |
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| SlowAzzPorsche911T |
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Originally posted by SplineZ@Jul 1 2003, 11:03 PM
extreme machine is out on 118th ave, near gregs distributors.. the place is mostly geared towards musclecar heads instead of the import scene.. but their techs work on EVERYTHING under the sun..
Alot of places that rebuild engines outsource Extreme Machine to do it for them. I am pretty sure thats who did my engine.. HED sourced them to do it a few years ago... Extreme has all the stuff needed to all the work in house afaik.
James Z
I worked there and I'll vouch for the guys rebuilding engines there :bigthumbup: |
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| madx |
| 1mns13 if you think that hansen and james are not good at what they do.. then how can james build a strong engine himself...i think that alone tells me one thing about petunning. |
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| REFLUX |
this better not turn into a:
"Does PE Tuning have what it takes to do good work?" thread
if it does I'm locking it, start your own topic you bastards!!!!!
--Terry |
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