| Godzilla |
| I was talking to rogers the other day and as i was finished the representative on the phone said "happy holidays, if you celebrate". Up untill not long ago it was always "merry Christmas". I find this anoying, not because i'm a christian and i believe in christmas but because society is too afraid to step on the toes of a small minority. If anyone on here is actually offended by people saying Merry Chrismas please explain why. I am personally more offended by people saying "happy holidays, if you celebrate" [/rant] |
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| dc2696 |
| Whole heartedly agree. |
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| REFLUX |
I think people are just too damn sensitive.
Life isn't black & white, "my way or the highway."
If that's the case, then you should start a commune.
Canada accepts different cultures, it's only fair that we all accept the cultures of others and vice versa. |
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| Spoonin |
quote:
Originally posted by REFLUX
I think people are just too damn sensitive.
Life isn't black & white, "my way or the highway."
If that's the case, then you should start a commune.
Canada accepts different cultures, it's only fair that we all accept the cultures of others and vice versa.
thats right Terry isnt racist....he owns a colour TV |
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| arabian_ryda |
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Originally posted by REFLUX
Canada accepts different cultures, it's only fair that we all accept the cultures of others and vice versa.
agreed!!!
i get asked all the time if ive done my christmas shopping and to have a merry christmas and stuff and i dont lie to people i tell them i dont celebrate it becuase its not my culture. i dont get offended neither should you greg or anyone else.
i still decorated my shop for the festive session even though i dont celebrate it i still make it good for others. |
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| EEDZ |
agreed.
if we are so set on accepting every little group of people/culture/religion/etc... then they can accept the fact that 2 little words aren't killing anyone. I don't believe that any group should be disregarded, but at what point does the majority become the minority?
Things like this lead to more an more rights for minority, and pretty soon there will be so many rights that we have to protect, that living normally will be impossible. |
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| DoubleDown |
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Originally posted by Godzilla
Up untill not long ago it was always "merry Christmas". I find this anoying[/rant]
So you're offended by Happy Holidays, but everyone else should be cool with Merry Christmas? Hypocritical?
What's important is that they're wishing you happiness... I don't care what words people use to convey it. Some people are just too negative to see that, heh |
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| HEWSINATOR |
Ya, I do not see such a problem with this, and you really can not blame the company.
Happy holidays, I think, conveys the same meaning without offending those that may or may not be acutely sensitive.
If somebody got upset with happy holidays....
There are plenty enough people who Rogers deals with everyday such that wishing all people on a telephone Merry Xmas would be silly. |
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| Godzilla |
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Originally posted by DoubleDown
So you're offended by Happy Holidays, but everyone else should be cool with Merry Christmas? Hypocritical?
What's important is that they're wishing you happiness... I don't care what words people use to convey it. Some people are just too negative to see that, heh
you raise a good point, but i'm not offended by "happy hollidays" it bothers me when people say it so cautiously and say "if you celebrate". honistly who cares if you celebrate or not, grin and bear it when people say Merry Christmas because thats what most celebrate in Canada, if you don't like it hide in your basement through december. If i was in a different country where they mainly celebrated Chaunukah or Kwanza i wouldn't be offended if they wished me a happy Chaunuka or Kwanza. That's their culture and i would be more than happy to respect that. I don't think canadians should hide their traditions for the benifit of a small minority |
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| arabian_ryda |
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Originally posted by Godzilla
you raise a good point, but i'm not offended by "happy hollidays" it bothers me when people say it so cautiously and say "if you celebrate". honistly who cares if you celebrate or not, grin and bear it when people say Merry Christmas because thats what most celebrate in Canada, if you don't like it hide in your basement through december. If i was in a different country where they mainly celebrated Chaunukah or Kwanza i wouldn't be offended if they wished me a happy Chaunuka or Kwanza. That's their culture and i would be more than happy to respect that. I don't think canadians should hide their traditions for the benifit of a small minority
what your asking is for people to put aside there religious views and except it even though they dont celebrate it? the minority should be treated differenently then the rest and just EXCEPT it like u say? |
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| Tech2 |
Call rogers and tell them what you think. Well, maybe I wouldn't tell them i think they are sniveling spineless pussies in those exact words, but I'd still tell them I don't agree with attaching a disclaimer to a holiday wish, and that I'll remember it when it comes time to renew my contract.
Fuck it's not like I get pissed off if someone wishes me happy chinese new year or happy easter when I don't celebrate either. Someone gave me a good wish, and I appreciate it. |
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| Godzilla |
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Originally posted by arabian_ryda
what your asking is for people to put aside there religious views and except it even though they dont celebrate it? the minority should be treated differenently then the rest and just EXCEPT it like u say?
i'm not asking for people to put their religious veiws aside. i'm saying that people shouldn't be offended when someone wishes them a merry christmas. its because people got offended why people now have to wish "happy hollidays, if you celebrate". as the thread title implys, my beef is about people getting offended by the words "merry christmas" being said in canada. as i mentioned if i was in a different country and someone wished me well for a holiday that they celibrate i would thank them and wish it back even though its not what i believe in or celebrate. If i was in the USA during thanksgiving and some one wished me a happy thanksgiving i wouldn't say "i celebrate thanksgiving in october" i would say "thanks, you too". |
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| AudiInProgress |
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Originally posted by Spoonin
thats right Terry isnt racist....he owns a colour TV
Am I the only one who almost fell out of his chair laughing at this comment?
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| arabian_ryda |
quote:
Originally posted by Godzilla
i'm not asking for people to put their religious veiws aside. i'm saying that people shouldn't be offended when someone wishes them a merry christmas. its because people got offended why people now have to wish "happy hollidays, if you celebrate". as the thread title implys, my beef is about people getting offended by the words "merry christmas" being said in canada. as i mentioned if i was in a different country and someone wished me well for a holiday that they celibrate i would thank them and wish it back even though its not what i believe in or celebrate. If i was in the USA during thanksgiving and some one wished me a happy thanksgiving i wouldn't say "i celebrate thanksgiving in october" i would say "thanks, you too".
i totally understand but what your trying to say is for example a muslim belives in the prophet mohamad yet they should be wished a merry christmas(the birth of christ) and say it back? thats putting there religious views to the side. i dont see anyone taking offense to this and they have no reson too but its pretty much saying if your a christian merry christmas and no comment to the rest(minority).
by saying happy holidays it is unversial and can be applyed to many things not just one. after all canada and canadians are equal and no body should feel or be treated like a minority thats the great thing about this country and what it was built on. |
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| Therin |
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Originally posted by AudiInProgress
Am I the only one who almost fell out of his chair laughing at this comment?
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yes. |
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| Godzilla |
quote:
Originally posted by arabian_ryda
i totally understand but what your trying to say is for example a muslim belives in the prophet mohamad yet they should be wished a merry christmas(the birth of christ) and say it back? thats putting there religious views to the side. i dont see anyone taking offense to this and they have no reson too but its pretty much saying if your a christian merry christmas and no comment to the rest(minority).
by saying happy holidays it is unversial and can be applyed to many things not just one. after all canada and canadians are equal and no body should feel or be treated like a minority thats the great thing about this country and what it was built on.
i guess i should clarify myself. I am proud to live in a multicultural country. and i have no problems with others beliefs. if i were to walk around china town and someone wished me a happy chinese new years i would not be offended and wish it back at them. if i was in west edmonton mall in a radio shack owned by jews and they wished me a happy Chaunuka it would seem a little different to me but i wouldn't be offended. I just don't see how people can be offended by a well wishing. Christmas is a Canadian holliday, it is on our calander, wether or not people celebrate it is no matter to me, i just can't believe pople get offended by it. |
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| arabian_ryda |
quote:
Originally posted by Godzilla
i guess i should clarify myself. I am proud to live in a multicultural country. and i have no problems with others beliefs. if i were to walk around china town and someone wished me a happy chinese new years i would not be offended and wish it back at them. if i was in west edmonton mall in a radio shack owned by jews and they wished me a happy Chaunuka it would seem a little different to me but i wouldn't be offended. I just don't see how people can be offended by a well wishing. Christmas is a Canadian holliday, it is on our calander, wether or not people celebrate it is no matter to me, i just can't believe pople get offended by it.
your asuming people get offended becuase they dont celebrate it when its really not like that. bro all it comes down to is everybody is equal and non single group is better then the other. saying merry christmas is a celebration for the birth of jesus a christian holiday. your saying that every1 should say and except it as there own when really it not as easy as u say. yes your opinion is that you will give your wishes to who ever wants them but not every1 thinks and beleives on the same level as u. |
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| Invalid Zero |
| HAPPY DIWALI EVERYONE!!!!! |
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| Tech2 |
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Originally posted by arabian_ryda
your asuming people get offended becuase they dont celebrate it when its really not like that. bro all it comes down to is everybody is equal and non single group is better then the other. saying merry christmas is a celebration for the birth of jesus a christian holiday. your saying that every1 should say and except it as there own when really it not as easy as u say. yes your opinion is that you will give your wishes to who ever wants them but not every1 thinks and beleives on the same level as u.
So just say, "thanks, happy holidays" back.
But I don't think that was the main problem. I think the issue was some company being all bitch-ass weak about saying merry Christmas. At Christmastime. When they are holding Christmas product sales. Shit like that.
And InvalidZero, i don't celebrate diwali so I now require 10 lashes and 10000$ in restitution.
Or maybe I'll just say, "Cool, what's Diwali all about?" then figure a festival of light must be pretty cool. |
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| Invalid Zero |
| I don't celebrate Diwali either. I just want to wish people a good one..... when it comes around in another 9 months or whatever. :dunno: |
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by Godzilla
i guess i should clarify myself. I am proud to live in a multicultural country. and i have no problems with others beliefs....
:) I fully understand what you mean. In order to not show offense to others we kind of hide ourselves...this is a predominantly Christian country...if I lived in Saudi or somewhere where it is mostly Muslim things would be different of course.
Few years ago we were told we could not wish people Merry Christmas at work....I said um yah but no...and continued to wish people a Merry Christmas...
And today still do so Merry Christmas ya'll!!
I am full aware my Muslim friends don't celebrate but they still wish me a Merry Christmas and I do back to them....and we enjoy the time to get together...because Christmas is far more than shopping and presents and credit card bills....it is a celebration...where family members and friends can get together and visit with each other....at one time most all business' were closed and everyone whether they celebrated or not would enjoy the days off....now it's just all about the mighty dollar
Yes we are multi cultural and I love it...but this is Canada and this is what we do here....and in certain Middle Eastern countries it would be the Ramadan etc etc
Politics wrecks everything :mad:
Some people do get their tail in a knot....I just explain to them thank God we don't wear name badges that say I am Christian or I am Muslim and pussy foot around...we are one race as I see it....human race and its beautiful most of the times |
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| Mustard |
quote:
Originally posted by Godzilla
I don't think canadians should hide their traditions for the benifit of a small minority
Have you looked at the latest cenus, man?
True Chrsitians are getting to be the minority!! :P |
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| Godzilla |
quote:
Originally posted by arabian_ryda
your asuming people get offended becuase they dont celebrate it when its really not like that. bro all it comes down to is everybody is equal and non single group is better then the other. saying merry christmas is a celebration for the birth of jesus a christian holiday. your saying that every1 should say and except it as there own when really it not as easy as u say. yes your opinion is that you will give your wishes to who ever wants them but not every1 thinks and beleives on the same level as u.
not trying to argue with you man but i'm just trying to clarify myself. i don't expect anyone to say merry christmas to me, personally i would rather people say nothing at all over "happy holidays, if you celebrate" i completely agree that everyone is equal an no one is better. i don't want anyone to think or believe on the same level as me. people are individuals and are free to have their own thoughts and beliefs. however i do believe that there are people that got offended by others saying merry christmas, wich is why there is now this bs of "happy holidays if you celebrate". if you're afraid of stepping on peoples toes then don't say anything. otherwise, wish someone a merry christmas as is somewhat customary in canada, if they don't celebrate then whatever. all i'm saying is that people get offended by others wishing them a merry christmas. these people raised a bink stink about it and that is why everyone is afraid to step on toes about it. You said yourself that you dress your shop up for the holidays, that being said if someone wishes you a mery christmas i doubt that you would feel upset about it. it is the people that get upset about it that i am wanting to know why. |
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| Spoonin |
| i believe they call this being Ethnocentric |
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| Godzilla |
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Originally posted by Spoonin
i believe they call this being Ethnocentric
are you saying that i am being ethnocentric or that the people who get offended are? :dunno: i don't consider myself to be ethnocentric at all. |
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| Spoonin |
quote:
Originally posted by Godzilla
are you saying that i am being ethnocentric or that the people who get offended are? :dunno: i don't consider myself to be ethnocentric at all.
no im talking about the ppl who get annoyed when u speak of another cultures holiday than there own....not u |
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| Fazda |
| what i dont understand is how they want santa to start saying he he he, instead of ho ho ho. how fucked up is this. I yet to see santa pimping out any whores.. just retarded. everyone needs to relax and enjoy the holiday.. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| I'm trying to be inclusive, as my sig will show you. I was going to include a picture of Mohammed, but apparently that's frowned upon. :read: |
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| Spoonin |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
I'm trying to be inclusive, as my sig will show you. I was going to include a picture of Mohammed, but apparently that's frowned upon. :read:
lol just a lil hahaha |
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| Inzane |
quote:
Originally posted by Godzilla
I was talking to rogers the other day and as i was finished the representative on the phone said "happy holidays, if you celebrate". Up untill not long ago it was always "merry Christmas". I find this anoying, not because i'm a christian and i believe in christmas but because society is too afraid to step on the toes of a small minority. If anyone on here is actually offended by people saying Merry Chrismas please explain why. I am personally more offended by people saying "happy holidays, if you celebrate" [/rant]
I agree somewhat.
Its not like you're saying to someone "I'm glad you too believe in Christ!" when you wish them a Merry Christmas.
This whole thing is ridiculous. |
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| chris f |
| as a Canadaian im offended on someone elese's behalf. <------Thats a joke. |
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| RSready |
| Who cares... they are only words. The people who are saying it to you are the guys working in call centres in Toronto or the guys bagging your groceries who are just doing what they are told. They don't actually mean what they are saying anyway, just following company policy. Do you care how they great you the other 11 months of the year? |
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| Tech2 |
| I wonder if Rogers will start saying, "Here's a great Christmas deal on a phone, if you celebrate" |
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| hacman |
quote:
Originally posted by Fazda
what i dont understand is how they want santa to start saying he he he, instead of ho ho ho. how fucked up is this. I yet to see santa pimping out any whores.. just retarded. everyone needs to relax and enjoy the holiday..
Yes I think he he he is crazy, I think what is happening to our christmas is crazy(im not a practicing Christian but still have my beliefs so when I say our I mean canadians). Catch this one though, they are even trying to make it so santa is thinner. They want to change parts of twas the night before christmas, change pictures and the santa's at the mall to be more thin. As to not give children idea's to be obese. How messed up is that. In a way its much like the religous part of the holiday. Only a vew children will see a fat santa and think, hey I should eat like a horse. Yet for the majority now it would seem we have to move to the poilitically correct side. so since one kid may get fat. Not kids may get to know santa how he should be.
thats why(same thing applying) I believe there is something wrong when the only mall's with real santa's(not father holiday, or whatever they want to call it now) are the malls who have balls to say wait no this is the christmas season. Not the holiday season. I am all for multiculturalism and intergration. I am sorry however these traditions have been in western cultures for years. The fact there may be less practicing Christians, because thats really where it might show a minority. I feel however if you poll western cultured and grown canadians you will see just how in favor of the celebration of christmas this country still is. Half of the friends I know are no where near Christian, yet still believe in christmas just the same(not because they get gift neither). This may be offensive but im sorry it's too bad when you come to a country, learn to accept and intergrate to whats there already. Spread some of your culture but never forget it was someone else's in the first place. Christmas has been celbrated in canada forever and that should change because we have a few more ethnic people here then we did even 10 years ago. Sorry for the rant, however things like this really do piss me off. It is everyone's country this is true, but in the same respect dont make people feel ashamed because of how they did it before you arrived. It's almost what is made out to be now.
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| T-LAV MRV |
merry fuckin xmas bitches!:D
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| Invalid Zero |
quote:
Originally posted by ChromeDragon
I'm trying to be inclusive, as my sig will show you. I was going to include a picture of Mohammed, but apparently that's frowned upon. :read:
I have a Domo Kun named Mohammed. :wavey:
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| Spoonin |
quote:
Originally posted by Invalid Zero
I have a Domo Kun named Mohammed. :wavey:
I hope I don't get sent to jail.:rolleyes:
no but ill kick ur ass hhahaha |
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| Godzilla |
quote:
Originally posted by hacman
Yes I think he he he is crazy, I think what is happening to our christmas is crazy(im not a practicing Christian but still have my beliefs so when I say our I mean canadians). Catch this one though, they are even trying to make it so santa is thinner. They want to change parts of twas the night before christmas, change pictures and the santa's at the mall to be more thin. As to not give children idea's to be obese. How messed up is that. In a way its much like the religous part of the holiday. Only a vew children will see a fat santa and think, hey I should eat like a horse. Yet for the majority now it would seem we have to move to the poilitically correct side. so since one kid may get fat. Not kids may get to know santa how he should be.
thats why(same thing applying) I believe there is something wrong when the only mall's with real santa's(not father holiday, or whatever they want to call it now) are the malls who have balls to say wait no this is the christmas season. Not the holiday season. I am all for multiculturalism and intergration. I am sorry however these traditions have been in western cultures for years. The fact there may be less practicing Christians, because thats really where it might show a minority. I feel however if you poll western cultured and grown canadians you will see just how in favor of the celebration of christmas this country still is. Half of the friends I know are no where near Christian, yet still believe in christmas just the same(not because they get gift neither). This may be offensive but im sorry it's too bad when you come to a country, learn to accept and intergrate to whats there already. Spread some of your culture but never forget it was someone else's in the first place. Christmas has been celbrated in canada forever and that should change because we have a few more ethnic people here then we did even 10 years ago. Sorry for the rant, however things like this really do piss me off. It is everyone's country this is true, but in the same respect dont make people feel ashamed because of how they did it before you arrived. It's almost what is made out to be now.
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| GOT BOOST |
BAHUMBUG
So should see the responses you get when you reply with that. :lol:
Too many people are afraid to offend someone with some traditional comment.
Who cares if it does not apply to you. People are trying to be friendly. If you find it offensive, time to put on some thicker skin and suck it up. It is not the first time you will be offended and it will certainly not be the last.
I would much rather have someone say merry Christmas, rather than happy, or not so happy holidays of descript, or not descript festive, or not so festive month of December which may or may not have any relevance to this greeting, or time of year.
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| GOT BOOST |
oh...
and one final note. Christmas is over commercialized.
It should be about spending time with friends and loved ones, at least in my opinion. Not stressing out about what to get who, or receiving gifts. You can buy a gift for someone at any time of the year, why does it need to be for that day when everything is insanely marked up?
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
oh...
and one final note. Christmas is over commercialized.
102%....
It's what you make of it..I tend to tune out the music playing before Remembrance day....the Christmas decorations that are out in July cause I really love this whole season and don't like the retail giants trying to make extra bucks from it....like these "open 24 hours for your convience!!" stores
I get a kick out of those who are bitchin' from the get go how they hate shopping and they hate wrapping and they hate having to buy stuff for people...when I ask why do they do it then I get :blink:
You get what you give which is why it's Christmas all year round for me
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| HEWSINATOR |
| NM. Most of what I had to say was said. |
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| not-boosted |
this is why i hate religon:blink:
canada is a melting pot and thats fantastic ! I love all the other ethnics here the food and other stuff thats they do bring. and the simple fact is 90% of them are great people.
Only thing i see wrong with a "melting pot" is if you stir to much shit into it it will leave a bad taste in some one's mouth . in this case its Greg
but my solution is Greg has a nice big :beer: and ignores what spews out of peoples mouths for the month of dec like i do then you got no problems ! :blue: |
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| bboybean |
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Originally posted by not-boosted
this is why i hate religon:blink:
canada is a melting pot and thats fantastic ! I love all the other ethnics here the food and other stuff thats they do bring. and the simple fact is 90% of them are great people.
Only thing i see wrong with a "melting pot" is if you stir to much shit into it it will leave a bad taste in some one's mouth . in this case its Greg
but my solution is Greg has a nice big :beer: and ignores what spews out of peoples mouths for the month of dec like i do then you got no problems ! :blue:
I belive in Social Studies we were taught that Canada is a Mosiac not a melting pot.
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| someguyincanada |
| if someone said happy holidays to me, i tell them merry christmas. im just old fashioned, if you dont like it theres the door. dont let it hit you on the way out. i am no means racist but if you dont like it, theres the door. |
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| ChromeDragon |
| Where's the door?:dunno: |
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| Slow Cruiser |
I like Xmas, but as the years go by, im starting not to like it due to the people/corperations trying to change it... So ill let Foamy do the ranting for me instead
Foamy - No christmas for you |
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| T-LAV MRV |
quote:
Originally posted by Slow Cruiser
I like Xmas, but as the years go by, im starting not to like it due to the people/corperations trying to change it... So ill let Foamy do the ranting for me instead
Foamy - No christmas for you
"quit complaining or i am gonna beat u with a baby jesus"
gold.
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| Orzel_pl |
Merry Christmas Everyone!
whats that?
you take offense to me saying that to you?
well my pesky friend, let me get my christmas machine gun. |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by arabian_ryda
what your asking is for people to put aside there religious views and except it even though they dont celebrate it? the minority should be treated differenently then the rest and just EXCEPT it like u say?
You realise that it's not the minority being oppressed here. The most important religious holiday of the year for the Christian faith is being systematically stripped of its significance. We are being forced to hide our holyday. You really don't see anything wrong with that? It's religious oppression. We're being told that our holiday isn't worth what others are. It's fundamentally wrong to single out one group and replace every important symbol of their most holy of days with something hollow and commercial. Honestly, how may kids out there think Christmas exists because some fat guy in a red suit likes to give out gifts once a year?
I'm just waiting for the day when our Calendars say 'Dec. 5th - Chaunukah. Dec. 25th - Alternate Celebratory Holiday. Dec. 26th - Kwanzaa.'
That said, I was elated to hear 'Merry Christmas' being wished to all on the radio the other day.
*edit*
It seems some people are confused on what Multiculturalism means. We're supposed to celebrate our cultures, as varied as they are. What's happening here is the opposite. Non-culture. It's like seeing the world through a black and white television. Why is it that a greeting has to blanket every person in the nation? If I stood on the roof of the town hall and yelled out "Merry Christmas" and someone said to me, "I don't celebrate Christmas", I'd simply tell him, "Then I wasn't talking to you, was I?"
Also, for all the people who keep saying "And I don't mean to sound Racist...", what does Christmas have to do with Race? Really, think about that for a minute. |
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| Orzel_pl |
quote:
Originally posted by oldraven
You realise that it's not the minority being oppressed here. The most important religious holiday of the year for the Christian faith is being systematically stripped of its significance. We are being forced to hide our holyday. You really don't see anything wrong with that? It's religious oppression. We're being told that our holiday isn't worth what others are. It's fundamentally wrong to single out one group and replace every important symbol of their most holy of days with something hollow and commercial. Honestly, how may kids out there think Christmas exists because some fat guy in a red suit likes to give out gifts once a year?
I'm just waiting for the day when our Calendars say 'Dec. 5th - Chaunukah. Dec. 25th - Alternate Celebratory Holiday. Dec. 26th - Kwanzaa.'
That said, I was elated to hear 'Merry Christmas' being wished to all on the radio the other day.
*edit*
It seems some people are confused on what Multiculturalism means. We're supposed to celebrate our cultures, as varied as they are. What's happening here is the opposite. Non-culture. It's like seeing the world through a black and white television. Why is it that a greeting has to blanket every person in the nation? If I stood on the roof of the town hall and yelled out "Merry Christmas" and someone said to me, "I don't celebrate Christmas", I'd simply tell him, "Then I wasn't talking to you, was I?"
Also, for all the people who keep saying "And I don't mean to sound Racist...", what does Christmas have to do with Race? Really, think about that for a minute.
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| walperstyle |
Instead of opressing religon and expression, promote it.
I'm all for Christmas, but i'm not going to complain about Harmonica or Ramadanandananadan or Tom Cruise.
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