| Prudz_lude |
Ok guys, so tonight i was at a party full of good friends and i think i just pissed more than 3/4ths of them off simply by expressing a view point. I was accused of being pretentious and more than, like i said, 3/4ths of my friends were ready to kick my ass.
A good friend and myself got into a DISCUSSION about religion. We were talking about the views of how humanity has come to believe certain ways and faiths based on what they have been taught throught their generation. We discussed how humans will base their opinions and beliefs on their upbringing and will base a large portion of their lives based on these values.
During the discussion i expressed my beliefs of profanity, and my good friend expressed his beliefs on Christianity. Before we knew it more than half the party became involved in the discussion. I expressed my views of how humanity protraits religion and how they go upon life believeing in certain values. My friend expressed how he felt about all the different aspects of religion as well. My views conflicted with the majority of the parties.
We both came to the conclusion that you can never force your religion or beliefts upon anyone or any faith and that you should be tolerant to other religions and other faiths and learn to agree with other points of views.
My problem is that i was shunned out of a party for the first time (most of them close friends) and for the first time, i felt that i could not freely express myself and what i believe to be true. I find it unbelievable that others still do not accept the fact that others will have different views and beliefs and that it's ok too discriminate upon them for those views or beliefts rather understand and tolerate them.
What do you guys think? Do you believe that the world is full of opposing view and that whatever you personally believe should be tolerated by other faiths? Do you believe that humans as a whole should understand that alot of us will have opposing views and should come to terms that we will not all conform to one religion/view? Or do you believe that humanity should conform to one specific religion?
That saddest part of the whole night is that my friend and I, were the only people that seem to understand what the debate was about. why can't we come to terms with each others beliefs and respect them. Everyone else at the party had an extremist point of view.
I hope i am not offending anybody. I am honestly just trying to
start a debate. Based on what i found out tonight, the majority of my friends want to believe in some form of higher spirit rather than fact of science.
Lets hear what you guys have to say. |
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| REFLUX |
I agree with you 100%.
But the truth is, this world contains more idiots than intelligent/rational people.
So being able to deal with idiots must be part of the repertoire of skills you must possess to succeed/survive.
Narrowmindedness is all too common and common sense isn't.
Time to expand your horizon of friends buddy.
Sounds like you're pretty open minded/accepting of alternative views on life and your friends aren't.
It'd be difficult, IMO, to have any deep meaningful relationship with ppl you don't feel comfortable expressing yourself around. |
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| newaccorddriver |
| i work with quite a few people that are into religion. whenever they ask me why i dont believe in it, i just say that i dont cause i dont have to. they say that it might be better for me to find religion regardless of what it is, but then i argued that anybody could write a book and claim its religion. they kinda get pissed off at me when i say that cause they know that logic says its very possible that could have happened. its not that their pushing religion on anyone or anything like that, its that they believe too strongly in it to let it be bashed in any way which is why they dont like to hear negative things about it. |
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| oldraven |
| Or maybe they were all pissed off at you because you brought up religion at a party. Just like politics, don't drop the R-bomb on a party. |
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| red88.n/a.rx |
| lol yeah no shit who talks about religon at a party? |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
One of my religious clients asked me about that before... I don't believe in today's version of "religon" because it's scewed by man's interpretations. I have faith that there is a higher being, I've had so many "Holy crap, how did I survive that" moments, there just has to be.
With Religon it's hard to tell now a days, what's a true religion and what's a cult. |
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| AudiInProgress |
The sad fact of the matter is, that there is never a good time to debate religion, and you'll almost always end up arguing with someone or offending someone.
I personally believe that religion has a lot less to do with upbringing than you might think, and a lot more to do with weak minded individuals or brainwashing.
My parents tried to make me go to church and all that "jazz" when I was younger, and as soon as I was old enough to say no, I did just that.
For something which is SUCH a huge part of peoples lives, I believe that religion/spirituality/beliefs are something that people need to come into on their own...
It's when people force their beliefs on you, regardless of whether it is a parent or teacher, or one of your friends - that's where the trouble begins.
I have a lot more to say on this subject, but it's something much better discussed away from the internet, you know... Because then when you don't agree with me - I can punch you in the head.
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| Prudz_lude |
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Originally posted by AudiInProgress
I have a lot more to say on this subject, but it's something much better discussed away from the internet, you know... Because then when you don't agree with me - I can punch you in the head.
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| GT45 |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
What do you guys think? Do you believe that the world is full of opposing view and that whatever you personally believe should be tolerated by other faiths? Do you believe that humans as a whole should understand that alot of us will have opposing views and should come to terms that we will not all conform to one religion/view? Or do you believe that humanity should conform to one specific religion?
That first question should be a statement:
"The world is full of opposing view and whatever you personally believe should be tolerated by other faiths."
Same with the following question:
"Humans as a whole should understand that alot of us will have opposing views and should come to terms that we will not all conform to one religion/view."
The bottom line is there is nobody walking this earth that knows where the fuck we're going after we all die. NOBODY. People have beliefs and have faith that their religion is showing them the path to salvation. But the truth of the matter is nothing is fact. But then that's where faith comes in. I can debate about this shit all day.
I'm christian but I choose not to follow one church. Rather I try to find teachings of the bible through different religions and try to be as open minded as possible. Because you realistically can't say one religion knows whats going to happen better than the other. You're just fucking ignorant if you say that. Which is why religion has created so much war in the past against man in the name of their god. |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
Ok guys, so tonight i was at a party full of good friends and i think i just pissed more than 3/4ths of them off simply by expressing a view point. I was accused of being pretentious and more than, like i said, 3/4ths of my friends were ready to kick my ass.
A good friend and myself got into a DISCUSSION about religion. We were talking about the views of how humanity has come to believe certain ways and faiths based on what they have been taught throught their generation. We discussed how humans will base their opinions and beliefs on their upbringing and will base a large portion of their lives based on these values.
During the discussion i expressed my beliefs of profanity, and my good friend expressed his beliefs on Christianity. Before we knew it more than half the party became involved in the discussion. I expressed my views of how humanity protraits religion and how they go upon life believeing in certain values. My friend expressed how he felt about all the different aspects of religion as well. My views conflicted with the majority of the parties.
We both came to the conclusion that you can never force your religion or beliefts upon anyone or any faith and that you should be tolerant to other religions and other faiths and learn to agree with other points of views.
My problem is that i was shunned out of a party for the first time (most of them close friends) and for the first time, i felt that i could not freely express myself and what i believe to be true. I find it unbelievable that others still do not accept the fact that others will have different views and beliefs and that it's ok too discriminate upon them for those views or beliefts rather understand and tolerate them.
What do you guys think? Do you believe that the world is full of opposing view and that whatever you personally believe should be tolerated by other faiths? Do you believe that humans as a whole should understand that alot of us will have opposing views and should come to terms that we will not all conform to one religion/view? Or do you believe that humanity should conform to one specific religion?
That saddest part of the whole night is that my friend and I, were the only people that seem to understand what the debate was about. why can't we come to terms with each others beliefs and respect them. Everyone else at the party had an extremist point of view.
I hope i am not offending anybody. I am honestly just trying to
start a debate. Based on what i found out tonight, the majority of my friends want to believe in some form of higher spirit rather than fact of science.
Lets hear what you guys have to say.
My view is that religion is the biggest scam the world has ever seen. Don’t get me wrong, it is important to have core values and beliefs. Mine are different. Mine are in myself and not another higher power. “Religion” is up to a matter of interpretation by who ever is the founder or in charge. If you look at it, the base of religion is some higher power. Then these “leaders, priests, or what ever” decide to interpret the “teachings, books, bibles, or what ever”. In essence anyone can create a religion, bring up supporting documents and facts and drive fears into the souls who will follow obediently and with out question. It is amazing what fear can do to people, especially fear of the unknown.. Myself, that fear does not work for me and I like to think on my own.
Most religious people I know are the biggest hypocrites I have seen and are not willing to look at other alternatives or options.
There also seems to be a new fad religion coming out, that will come in quickly, sweep people in, and then disappear as quickly as it came in.
You can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink.
Religion and Politics is a very touchy subject. I am careful as to who I speak with about as most people can not handle a conversation when there are opposing views with out trying to impose theirs, with out shutting their mouth and opening their mind.
Again, this is my point of view.
Mike |
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| ptemomo |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
My view is that religion is the biggest scam the world has ever seen. Don’t get me wrong, it is important to have core values and beliefs. Mine are different. Mine are in myself and not another higher power. “Religion” is up to a matter of interpretation by who ever is the founder or in charge. If you look at it, the base of religion is some higher power. Then these “leaders, priests, or what ever” decide to interpret the “teachings, books, bibles, or what ever”. In essence anyone can create a religion, bring up supporting documents and facts and drive fears into the souls who will follow obediently and with out question. It is amazing what fear can do to people, especially fear of the unknown.. Myself, that fear does not work for me and I like to think on my own.
Most religious people I know are the biggest hypocrites I have seen and are not willing to look at other alternatives or options.
There also seems to be a new fad religion coming out, that will come in quickly, sweep people in, and then disappear as quickly as it came in.
You can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink.
Religion and Politics is a very touchy subject. I am careful as to who I speak with about as most people can not handle a conversation when there are opposing views with out trying to impose theirs, with out shutting their mouth and opening their mind.
Again, this is my point of view.
Mike
Amen to that my friend.... |
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| Godzilla |
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Originally posted by AudiInProgress
For something which is SUCH a huge part of peoples lives, I believe that religion/spirituality/beliefs are something that people need to come into on their own...
It's when people force their beliefs on you, regardless of whether it is a parent or teacher, or one of your friends - that's where the trouble begins.
100% my mom tried to force my sister into her beliefs and my sister gave it an honist chance but couldn't really come to terms with it. me on the other hand, i seemed to have found my own way with the church without any guidance. I am a christian and i'm not ashamed to admit it. i have no problems with others beliefs or lack thereof. As far as hypocracy in religion i agree that there is way too much but it is the same with anything. IE: according to my religious beliefs, i should not drink in excess, have premarital sex, want stuff that other people have and i have disobeyed all of the above. Others believe in following laws to be a good citizen and a good person. how many of them break laws all the time such as speeding, not paying for parking, underage drinking, drugs etc. My point is that no one is perfect in any of their beliefs and by that stand point all of society is hypocrytical |
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| EDISKRAD EHT |
Regardless of Religion, EVERYONE should have the right to think/believe in whatever the hell they want, and not be judged for it what so ever.
I find it funny how hypocritical all these "good" religious people are.
I don't believe in god at all, but I would NEVER judge someone for believing in one. |
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| oldraven |
GOT BOOST, I agree with pretty much everything you said there. The one thing I would correct is your terminology. You say these corrupted and tweaked ways to serve one person or groups intrests at the expense of the faithful is Religion. I call that Doctrine. Religion is the basic fundamentals of a faith. Doctrine is the interpretation dictating a way of life or supporting law.
Now, Religion has served as a basis of Government since long before we even knew what a Government was. Before church run states we had Monarchs with their 'Divine Right'. Pagan faith has always dictated law. But it's the jump from Religion to Doctrine that allows one to govern many. Religion is the fable, and Doctrine is the moral. If the moral gets twisted, do you blame the fable or the person who rethought the moral? |
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| Inzane |
I was brought up as Catholic, but consider myself more agnostic than anything now. I don't "practice" religion currently.
Nothing on this subject drives me crazy like hearing the term "Christian values". WTF? When I hear someone make a comment like that, the first thing I think of is "What... so Jews and Muslims don't have values?".
If you look closely at those three religions, the "fundamentals" are very similiar. The good natured people in each all share the same basic "values".
Like an ex-smoker tends to be hyper-sensitive to 2nd hand smoke (more so than a non-smoker), I tend to be very tuned in to what I perceive as Christian conceit. Its very prevalent in our society, IMO. |
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| shortie |
you should read "God is Not Great" by Hitchens. interesting look into our world and how religion dominates and stems back to all the major human created catastrophies in the history of civilization...
very interesting and intelligent read regarding the religion 'debate'... |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by oldraven
GOT BOOST, I agree with pretty much everything you said there. The one thing I would correct is your terminology. You say these corrupted and tweaked ways to serve one person or groups intrests at the expense of the faithful is Religion. I call that Doctrine. Religion is the basic fundamentals of a faith. Doctrine is the interpretation dictating a way of life or supporting law.
Now, Religion has served as a basis of Government since long before we even knew what a Government was. Before church run states we had Monarchs with their 'Divine Right'. Pagan faith has always dictated law. But it's the jump from Religion to Doctrine that allows one to govern many. Religion is the fable, and Doctrine is the moral. If the moral gets twisted, do you blame the fable or the person who rethought the moral?
Interesting point Old Raven,
In my opinion religion with out doctrine can not exist. Every religion has a doctrine. Religion is merely an idea or a value which people grasp onto, with out the doctrine, it will soon fade and not have a following.
If the moral gets twisted, I blame both the fable and the moral. Many times in religions, the doctrine has been changed to accommodate views of the higher ups, or perhaps to increase membership. I do not believe that they had divine inspiration from the almighty to say it is ok to eat ham now, after many many years of not allowing it. :lol:
This is not to say I am right and you are wrong, or vise versa. I am opposed to religious doctrines and teachings that will try to be instituted into me.
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| DoubleDown |
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Originally posted by oldraven
Or maybe they were all pissed off at you because you brought up religion at a party. Just like politics, don't drop the R-bomb on a party.
Hahah agreed. |
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| MAPEX |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prudz_lude
[B]Ok guys, so tonight i was at a party full of good friends and i think i just pissed more than 3/4ths of them off simply by expressing a view point. I was accused of being pretentious and more than, like i said, 3/4ths of my friends were ready to kick my ass.
A good friend and myself got into a DISCUSSION about religion. We were talking about the views of how humanity has come to believe certain ways and faiths based on what they have been taught throught their generation. We discussed how humans will base their opinions and beliefs on their upbringing and will base a large portion of their lives based on these values.
During the discussion i expressed my beliefs of profanity, and my good friend expressed his beliefs on Christianity. Before we knew it more than half the party became involved in the discussion. I expressed my views of how humanity protraits religion and how they go upon life believeing in certain values. My friend expressed how he felt about all the different aspects of religion as well. My views conflicted with the majority of the parties.
We both came to the conclusion that you can never force your religion or beliefts upon anyone or any faith and that you should be tolerant to other religions and other faiths and learn to agree with other points of views.
My problem is that i was shunned out of a party for the first time (most of them close friends) and for the first time, i felt that i could not freely express myself and what i believe to be true. I find it unbelievable that others still do not accept the fact that others will have different views and beliefs and that it's ok too discriminate upon them for those views or beliefts rather understand and tolerate them.
What do you guys think? Do you believe that the world is full of opposing view and that whatever you personally believe should be tolerated by other faiths? Do you believe that humans as a whole should understand that alot of us will have opposing views and should come to terms that we will not all conform to one religion/view? Or do you believe that humanity should conform to one specific religion?
That saddest part of the whole night is that my friend and I, were the only people that seem to understand what the debate was about. why can't we come to terms with each others beliefs and respect them. Everyone else at the party had an extremist point of view.
I hope i am not offending anybody. I am honestly just trying to
start a debate. Based on what i found out tonight, the majority of my friends want to believe in some form of higher spirit rather than fact of science.
avoid religion debate cu'z no one is gonna win and never end.. i would say no matter how religious or great u r but u can't acccept jesus our God Savior he will not bring u to heaven cu'z hes the one will save us not his father.. |
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by Prudz_lude
Ok guys, so tonight i was at a party full of good friends and i think i just pissed more than 3/4ths of them off simply by expressing a view point. I was accused of being pretentious and more than, like i said, 3/4ths of my friends were ready to kick my ass.
ooof politics & religions are two topics that light up the night.
I remember an ex & I had his parents over with mine...I prayed the conversation would not get too "deep"...it did...his mom brought up something political and that was the end of the night....I kept thinking can't we just all be friends?
I find it interesting when people discuss the religion..each have their own beliefs or not but insist on proving to the other party how wrong their beliefs are...which totally goes against the accepting part of religion.
I have questions of course about my faith...and I don't necessarily like everything about it...but I do know that if I reach a point where I decide there is no God I will be comfortable with the decision so much so that I will not have to question the opposite. I know I would never resort to mocking those who may believe "differently" unless I too am having serious doubts of my own.
I don't think you could ever convice someone else that God doesn't exist....if they truly believe he does. Reminds me of that quote "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who disbelieve, no amount of proof is sufficient." |
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| SilverNeonRacer |
blondy... kinda reminds me of Pascal's Wager....
I don't remember it verbatum, but the jist is, If you do believe and God does not exist, you risk nothing, but if you don't believe and he does exist you risk everything. |
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| blondy |
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Originally posted by SilverNeonRacer
blondy... kinda reminds me of Pascal's Wager....
I don't remember it verbatum, but the jist is, If you do believe and God does not exist, you risk nothing, but if you don't believe and he does exist you risk everything.
:) yes
The quote was “Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing." |
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| Orzel_pl |
Believing in something higher is very humbling, and brings you back to your significance in the full spectrum of everything. I will always respect someone who has chosen any religion over someone who believes they themselves are the "be all end all". The comment about religion being brainwashing, and for the weak minded is exactly what I would say about one who follows nothing. Its easy as hell to say you believe in nothing, but to actually practice your faith (Whether its going to church, mosque, living by the golden rule, or loving the flying spaghetti monster) and tell others "This is my faith, Im proud to have it, and you better believe I'll defend it rickity tick". One of the best lines I've ever heard in a movie was from Lord of War where he asks his dad why he wears hats all the time and he said it's to remind him there is always something above us.
The biggest thing that I won't tolerate is pushing your religion upon others. Others are obviously not you, so don't try to magically convert them. But realize there is a difference between someone defending their religion after you have offended it, and them just coming up to you and trying to tell you how great their religion is and that you should totally try the 1 year membership with pool priviliges at the least. |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by Orzel_pl
The biggest thing that I won't tolerate is pushing your religion upon others. Others are obviously not you, so don't try to magically convert them. But realize there is a difference between someone defending their religion after you have offended it, and them just coming up to you and trying to tell you how great their religion is and that you should totally try the 1 year membership with pool priviliges at the least.
But isn't that exactly what goes on with these Christian "Missions"? When these churches send members out on these "missions" aren't they going with the intent to "spread the word of God" and attempt to indoctrinate others? |
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| Orzel_pl |
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Originally posted by Inzane
But isn't that exactly what goes on with these Christian "Missions"? When these churches send members out on these "missions" aren't they going with the intent to "spread the word of God" and attempt to indoctrinate others?
Your right, ONLY Christians do this. |
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| AudiInProgress |
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Originally posted by Orzel_pl
Believing in something higher is very humbling, and brings you back to your significance in the full spectrum of everything. I will always respect someone who has chosen any religion over someone who believes they themselves are the "be all end all". The comment about religion being brainwashing, and for the weak minded is exactly what I would say about one who follows nothing. Its easy as hell to say you believe in nothing, but to actually practice your faith (Whether its going to church, mosque, living by the golden rule, or loving the flying spaghetti monster) and tell others "This is my faith, Im proud to have it, and you better believe I'll defend it rickity tick". One of the best lines I've ever heard in a movie was from Lord of War where he asks his dad why he wears hats all the time and he said it's to remind him there is always something above us.
The biggest thing that I won't tolerate is pushing your religion upon others. Others are obviously not you, so don't try to magically convert them. But realize there is a difference between someone defending their religion after you have offended it, and them just coming up to you and trying to tell you how great their religion is and that you should totally try the 1 year membership with pool priviliges at the least.
The fact that you have said you will respect religious zealots moreso than people who chose NOT to restrict themselves to any one belief system, religion, or way of life - says to me - that you are a fucking nutjob... Probably one of those weak minded and/or brainwashed individuals of whom I spoke, and you believe that just because I don't share your same life philosophy, that I'm somehow beneath you.
You should respect everyone equally, regardless what they chose to believe, even if they believe in nothing.
If I ask somebody why they follow a certain faith, and they say something like, "that's just how I was raised" then that seems a little silly to me. It doesn't mean I respect them any less, it just means I couldn't imagine living my life that way, because they've been forced (more or less) into one way of thinking.
Go watch the movie "Jesus Camp" and then come talk to me about brainwashing.
I said very clearly, that religion/spirituallity is a HUGE part of life for many people, and it's something that requires a lot of time and effort... Not to mention comittment. Everyone should be able to look at what's out there, and make up their own minds about what they want to believe, and whose teachings they want to follow.
NOT; "Well my mommy made me go to church when I was a kid and now this is who I am." |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by Orzel_pl
Your right, ONLY Christians do this.
Whammo!
About the missions, do you know what goes on in the daily life of a missionary? Spreading the faith is only one of their responsibilities. You don't see missions to Toronto, or Belfast. They are usually feeding people, building homes, Schools, Hospitals (clinics, more like), and yes, explaining what possessed them to leave their comfortable 1st world lives to break their backs in the dirt and face violence on a daily basis. Are you going to tell them they're in the wrong to do this? So long as they don't mention God, I'm sure most people would be slapping them on the backs and giving them praise.
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by AudiInProgress
and you believe that just because I don't share your same life philosophy, that I'm somehow beneath you.
That's that "Christian conceit" I spoke of on the previous page.
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NOT; "Well my mommy made me go to church when I was a kid and now this is who I am."
My mommy made me go to church when I was a kid and now...
I don't go anymore because I eventually figured out for myself that it SUCKS.
Irrespective of one's belief in God, (and I've already admitted my own uncertainty by classifying myself as more agnostic than anything, as opposed to athiest) what I personally find ridiculous is all the ritualistic aspects of practicing religion. Going to church, the chanting, the singing, the symbols, the kneeling, the whole concept of "worship" just seems silly (kinda gay actually) to me and just doesn't work, IMO. I can't see how any of that garbage has any bearing on how you choose to live your life, how well your moral compass and values are aligned, etc.
I guess I realized I was still as bored and uninterested while in church at age 30 (being dragged with the family during Christmas, etc.) as I was when I was 3, that if it hasn't caught on by now I'm not likely to change. |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by oldraven
About the missions, do you know what goes on in the daily life of a missionary? Spreading the faith is only one of their responsibilities. You don't see missions to Toronto, or Belfast. They are usually feeding people, building homes, Schools, Hospitals (clinics, more like), and yes, explaining what possessed them to leave their comfortable 1st world lives to break their backs in the dirt and face violence on a daily basis. Are you going to tell them they're in the wrong to do this? So long as they don't mention God, I'm sure most people would be slapping them on the backs and giving them praise.
Missionaries really are the wrong place to look for corruption.
Hold on a second. I never said a word about corruption. That's not where I was going with that.
And yes I am somewhat aware how missions "help" people. I applaud that aspect. |
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| AudiInProgress |
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Originally posted by Inzane
That's that "Christian conceit" I spoke of on the previous page.
My mommy made me go to church when I was a kid and now...
I don't go anymore because I eventually figured out for myself that it SUCKS.
Irrespective of one's belief in God, (and I've already admitted my own uncertainty by classifying myself as more agnostic than anything, as opposed to athiest) what I personally find ridiculous is all the ritualistic aspects of practicing religion. Going to church, the chanting, the singing, the symbols, the kneeling, the whole concept of "worship" just seems silly (kinda gay actually) to me and just doesn't work, IMO. I can't see how any of that garbage has any bearing on how you choose to live your life, how well your moral compass and values are aligned, etc.
I guess I realized I was still as bored and uninterested while in church at age 30 (being dragged with the family during Christmas, etc.) as I was when I was 3, that if it hasn't caught on by now I'm not likely to change.
Someone who's on the same page. :D |
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| oldraven |
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Originally posted by Inzane
Hold on a second. I never said a word about corruption. That's not where I was going with that.
And yes I am somewhat aware how missions "help" people. I applaud that aspect.
No, but you were eluding to their good works being for some selfish motive of making others believe what they believe.
As for the ritualistic practices you described before, it sounds like you're describing Catholicism. As much as some prefer the ritual, others focus on the relationship with their Creator. To some Protestants, the only ritual they engage in is prayer and church. No chanting, no kneeling (unless the mood takes you), etc. The great thing is that there are so many different ways of living in faith. None will get it all right, but it shows just how personal religion and faith can be. This is why I don't go to church, but still have faith. I choose for me what rings true and what stands out as policy.
Because this can come off as hostile (it's religion, right ;) ) know that I argue out of respect, not offense. :beer: Another Kil' for Inzane. |
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| Inzane |
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Originally posted by oldraven
No, but you were eluding to their good works being for some selfish motive of making others believe what they believe.
Right, but I didn't mean to imply a selfish motive on the part of those individuals, but rather a perception of an ulterior motive on the part of the church that sends them.
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As for the ritualistic practices you described before, it sounds like you're describing Catholicism.
Right, and that's because growing up that is what the bulk of my exposure has been.
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Because this can come off as hostile (it's religion, right ;) ) know that I argue out of respect, not offense. :beer: Another Kil' for Inzane.
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The fact that you have said you will respect religious zealots moreso than people who chose NOT to restrict themselves to any one belief system, religion, or way of life - says to me - that you are a fucking nutjob... Probably one of those weak minded and/or brainwashed individuals of whom I spoke, and you believe that just because I don't share your same life philosophy, that I'm somehow beneath you.
You should respect everyone equally, regardless what they chose to believe, even if they believe in nothing.
If I ask somebody why they follow a certain faith, and they say something like, "that's just how I was raised" then that seems a little silly to me. It doesn't mean I respect them any less, it just means I couldn't imagine living my life that way, because they've been forced (more or less) into one way of thinking.
Go watch the movie "Jesus Camp" and then come talk to me about brainwashing.
I said very clearly, that religion/spirituallity is a HUGE part of life for many people, and it's something that requires a lot of time and effort... Not to mention comittment. Everyone should be able to look at what's out there, and make up their own minds about what they want to believe, and whose teachings they want to follow.
NOT; "Well my mommy made me go to church when I was a kid and now this is who I am."
So it goes. Im Catholic to the bone by my own choice. When I was young I was bored with church too, but once I started to mature it has guided me through some significant parts of my life, and at this point I cannot part with it. And dont call me a motherfucking nutjob just because I cant dig people who believe in nothing. It doesnt mean I dont listen to your views and reflect on them, modify my own because of them etc. Im not close minded because Im relgious, I just full heartedly believe its alot harder for me to sit here and defend my Faith instead of sitting back and nit picking at why I don't follow a Faith.
I may have worded my previous post incorrectly, I figured the Spaghetti monster thing would show my openness to others believing in anything, aslong as they dont sit there and think everything can be explained rationally. Religion is not supposed to be an amusement park of fun and laughter, its meant to be all embracing whether its happyness or pain. Look how easy it is to say you believe in nothing because church sucks and praying takes effort.
But on a lighter note, this doesnt mean I cant hang out with people who arent religous. Obviously atleast 1/3 of the people I know dont go to church or anything like that, but they live by a good set of morals and thats highly respectable aswell, your faith doesnt have to have a Label of Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, or Pizza Hut, you just have to live life by some sort of approvable standards for society, show some compassion and not be an asshole 24/7. I just have to look at these boards sometimes and as soon as I see someone post I know exactly what their response is going to be before I even read it just by seeing their avatar. 95% of the time its some sort of deragatory response.
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Originally posted by Orzel_pl
But on a lighter note, this doesnt mean I cant hang out with people who arent religous. Obviously atleast 1/3 of the people I know dont go to church or anything like that, but they live by a good set of morals and thats highly respectable aswell, your faith doesnt have to have a Label of Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, or Pizza Hut, you just have to live life by some sort of approvable standards for society, show some compassion and not be an asshole 24/7.
You may have just redeemed yourself here with that. Good job! A Kilkenny to you too! :beer: |
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Originally posted by Orzel_pl
So it goes. Im Catholic to the bone by my own choice. When I was young I was bored with church too, but once I started to mature it has guided me through some significant parts of my life, and at this point I cannot part with it. And dont call me a motherfucking nutjob just because I cant dig people who believe in nothing. It doesnt mean I dont listen to your views and reflect on them, modify my own because of them etc. Im not close minded because Im relgious, I just full heartedly believe its alot harder for me to sit here and defend my Faith instead of sitting back and nit picking at why I don't follow a Faith.
I may have worded my previous post incorrectly, I figured the Spaghetti monster thing would show my openness to others believing in anything, aslong as they dont sit there and think everything can be explained rationally. Religion is not supposed to be an amusement park of fun and laughter, its meant to be all embracing whether its happyness or pain. Look how easy it is to say you believe in nothing because church sucks and praying takes effort.
But on a lighter note, this doesnt mean I cant hang out with people who arent religous. Obviously atleast 1/3 of the people I know dont go to church or anything like that, but they live by a good set of morals and thats highly respectable aswell, your faith doesnt have to have a Label of Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, or Pizza Hut, you just have to live life by some sort of approvable standards for society, show some compassion and not be an asshole 24/7. I just have to look at these boards sometimes and as soon as I see someone post I know exactly what their response is going to be before I even read it just by seeing their avatar. 95% of the time its some sort of deragatory response.
Anyways, cars are sweet.
Yeah, I guess you did word it wrong, you fuckin' nutjob... :D :D :D :D
In all seriousness, I was pretty offended when you said you would respect one group of people moreso than another, but I guess I'm just like that.
And I laughed out loud at the Pizza Hut comment.
And if you're so used to the rude comments from Eddie The Head, I guess I'll have to switch it up a bit, haha.
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Yeah, I guess you did word it wrong, you fuckin' nutjob... :D :D :D :D
In all seriousness, I was pretty offended when you said you would respect on group of people moreso than another, but I guess I'm just like that.
And I laughed out loud at the Pizza Hut comment.
And if you're so used to the rude comments from Eddie The Head, I guess I'll have to switch it up a bit, haha.
-Rob
I love Iron Maiden though haha.
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And if you're so used to the rude comments from Eddie The Head, I guess I'll have to switch it up a bit, haha.
Iron Maiden rocks! Don't change it. |
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I love Iron Maiden though haha.
No harm done man, Respect.
Reacharound time? |
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Iron Maiden rocks! Don't change it.
Santa Eddie Approves! |
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Whatever, you're all going to hell.
Excellent. I will see alot of my friends there. I hear the lake of fire keeps things warm in the winter. :lol:
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According to Southpark, Satan throws the best parties.
Come on... a Ferrari cake? Hollywood actresses? What's not to like. :p |
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According to Southpark, Satan throws the best parties.
Come on... a Ferrari cake? Hollywood actresses? What's not to like. :p
Correction; Acura Cake! |
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Reacharound time?
Only if get some of that Acura Cake. |
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| IT'S ALL ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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This one is way better.
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This one is way better.
Nicely done! :beer: |
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