| GOT BOOST |
Doing some homework for a new daily driver I am looking to purchase in about 5 years. One of the cars of my choice is the BMW M5.
Fully loaded all options available:
Priced it out in Canada.... $125,150.00 Plus GST and all the other BS taxes.
Priced out in USA....$91,705.00
That is a nice savings of $33,445.00
Yes, I need to pay Duty, GST and a few other BS taxes, conversion to day time running lights. The incidental stuff will not equate to another $33,445.00
It is nice to see we are still getting bent over on cars here.
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| newaccorddriver |
although i dont agree with the pricing difference between the canadians and the americans, i can see that we have 2 very different economies. ive actually talked to a guy i work with about this cause he has relatives that live down there, and their $20/hour wage is comparable to our $30/hour wage. our dollar goes farther here then theirs there, so i can see why it would cost less there.
theres also more to consider then just the cost of the cars. i know BMW used to honor their warranty throughout north america, but its hard to say what car companies would do with warranty since there has been a surge in US imports crossing the border. i would look into that before buying something like an M5 cause i think its pointless without the warranty. i bought a used 3-series and it has 48,000km on it when i bought it, and when i got rid of it at 90,000km, it had been to the dealership roughly 10 times for warranty services. nothing major went wrong, but it would have cost quite a bit to fix every little thing that went wrong with it. if a motor in the 3-series went, it would cost alot to replace, but if the motor in an M5 went, might as get a second mortgage. |
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| GQsmooth |
| way to state the obvious:rolleyes: |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by newaccorddriver
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theres also more to consider then just the cost of the cars. i know BMW used to honor their warranty throughout north america, but its hard to say what car companies would do with warranty since there has been a surge in US imports crossing the border. i would look into that before buying something like an M5 cause i think its pointless without the warranty. i bought a used 3-series and it has 48,000km on it when i bought it, and when i got rid of it at 90,000km, it had been to the dealership roughly 10 times for warranty services. nothing major went wrong, but it would have cost quite a bit to fix every little thing that went wrong with it. if a motor in the 3-series went, it would cost alot to replace, but if the motor in an M5 went, might as get a second mortgage.
Agreed. I am looking at brand new. I have entertained the idea of pre owned, but it would be nothing more than 3 years old.
It will be interesting to see about the warranty. I will need to look into the reliability of the car more. If it turns out that it is a heap that needs to be fixed all the time and plagued with issues I will not purchase it. My idea would be to drive it then dump it before the warranty comes off.
Just pricing out 2 year old pre owned ones in the states for comparison to 2 year old ones in Canada. The pricing difference is unbelievable. I can purchase an 07 in the states for substantially less than one that is an 05 here.
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| newaccorddriver |
| im sure its a reliable car(engine wise), but these cars seem like cars that would nickel and dime you to death like every other german car |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by newaccorddriver
im sure its a reliable car(engine wise), but these cars seem like cars that would nickel and dime you to death like every other german car
indeed. :beer:
Again, this is just preliminary research I am doing right now. I would like an M5, but I am going to narrow it down to my choice of 3 Makes and Models.
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| newaccorddriver |
| get an escalade with 22's and be the king of the road, or run people off the road with a hummer:thumbup: |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by newaccorddriver
get an escalade with 22's and be the king of the road, or run people off the road with a hummer:thumbup:
:lol:
I will not purchase a North American vehicle. Not looking for an SUV. :D
Mike |
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| newaccorddriver |
| an S-class with limo tint all around would put you into baller status, but the cops might hassle you a bit |
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| Tech2 |
| The US 20$ wage =canadian 30$ wage thing may be true, and a year or 2 ago higher prices for goods in canada made sense. But the US currency didn't gain 20% purchasing power in the last year, like ours did. Us canadian workers and business managers made our economy, and we should see economic benefits for it. |
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| THUD |
| With the GST changing to 5% jan1/08 and good dollor price the savings are worth it if you got the funds do it...and come out to the meets with it. |
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| gtaylor |
id bet theres a few m5's on the market right now in canada for 90-100ish....
broken in with 8-15000km.:dunno: |
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| gtaylor |
also, my parents have a 07 X5 4.8 coming up from the states.
nice thing is, they say the OOP is already completed, apparently the BMW dealership it came from did it.:dunno:
ill let you know how things go with the dealership, when we take it in for its first check up
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| Driven |
quote:
Originally posted by gtaylor
also, my parents have a 07 X5 4.8 coming up from the states.
nice thing is, they say the OOP is already completed, apparently the BMW dealership it came from did it.:dunno:
ill let you know how things go with the dealership, when we take it in for its first check up
:cool:
your gonna need a $500 recall letter.. an OOP performed by a licenced shop here in alberta.. and various other modifications to make that car "legal" for our roads. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by Driven
your gonna need a $500 recall letter.. an OOP performed by a licenced shop here in alberta.. and various other modifications to make that car "legal" for our roads.
Yup.
Remember that 3-series that came in where the transmission was just fucked?? We had to replace the whole thing?
Apparently, they're still dicking around with that; the fuckin' guy's still waiting and his car hasn't been fixed yet... :dunno: |
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| Eclipser |
| Since when is a recall clearance letter 500? last time i checked they where free. |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by Eclipser
Since when is a recall clearance letter 500? last time i checked they where free.
thats what i thought as well. with all the importing that is being done, this is probably a way to deter some people, or to make the prices a little less attractive |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Yup.
Remember that 3-series that came in where the transmission was just fucked?? We had to replace the whole thing?
Apparently, they're still dicking around with that; the fuckin' guy's still waiting and his car hasn't been fixed yet... :dunno:
was it because of BMW's shitty tiptronic feature, or was it a mechanical failure of some sort? |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by Eclipser
Since when is a recall clearance letter 500? last time i checked they where free.
BMW charges $500 for the letter.
Mercedes-Benz charges like $2000. And they're harder to import, too. |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by newaccorddriver
was it because of BMW's shitty tiptronic feature, or was it a mechanical failure of some sort?
Don't know. I quit before it came to where it's at now, and I'm happy I don't work there and have to deal with that kind of crap anymore... |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
BMW charges $500 for the letter.
Mercedes-Benz charges like $2000. And they're harder to import, too.
was all this just recent, or was it always like this? |
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| PimpSlap |
| A friend of mine has two M5's and its a nice car but I'm not to impressed with it for that price range. |
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| tho_chi |
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Originally posted by PimpSlap
A friend of mine has two M5's and its a nice car but I'm not to impressed with it for that price range.
and why not? care to elaborate? |
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| PimpSlap |
| Beautiful car and totally luxurious but on the performance end nothing spectacular. He raced an older muscle car the one time and I just thought that over 400 Hp the car should have went much better. Also the feel of the 06 with the clutch-less manual transmission just never seemed right to me. He also agrees that the transmission just doesn't work well for a car of that price range. He loves the cars but he is also well in to his 50's and content to drive around leisurely 99% of the time. |
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| Driven |
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Originally posted by 95EagleAWD
Yup.
Remember that 3-series that came in where the transmission was just fucked?? We had to replace the whole thing?
Apparently, they're still dicking around with that; the fuckin' guy's still waiting and his car hasn't been fixed yet... :dunno:
Who cares.. that guy was a total fucking idiot.. bought a car from the states.. they fucked him.. and he tried blaming it on us. |
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| gtaylor |
yea that letter is 500, but apparently you can get it for free.
we didnt pay:dunno: |
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| tho_chi |
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Originally posted by gtaylor
yea that letter is 500, but apparently you can get it for free.
we didnt pay:dunno:
so is it in yet?? has the volvo been put away lol? |
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| crzyone |
I bought an 06 Cadillac CTS 2 months ago, saved a bunch of money. We wrote off our Intrepid on the way down to Nevada to visit the in-laws. Hit a deer doing 80mph outside of Great Falls Montana which totaled the car. We bought the car in Reno which was convenient.
We did not have to pay for a recall letter. Everything went smoothly except trying to fax the title to the border. You pretty much have to do it in the middle of the night to avoid a busy signal, was really annoying. Guess they are getting a high volume of cars comming across. |
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| h22civic |
| A buddy just picked up a BMW 335 last week and he looked at buying out of San Diego. Apparently BMW now has a $3000 warranty transfer fee on US vehicles brought to Canada. He managed to find a black 07 with 14,000 km's for $45K out of Calgary instead. |
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| AuZZZie |
Kinda Off topic. But fuck this company pisses me off..
Another $100 package delivered via UPS today from the US. $20 shipping. And another $52 at the door.
Thats for products manufactured in the US. NAFTA my fuckin ass.
Vent over. |
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| TrevorK |
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Originally posted by AuZZZie
Kinda Off topic. But fuck this company pisses me off..
Another $100 package delivered via UPS today from the US. $20 shipping. And another $52 at the door.
Thats for products manufactured in the US. NAFTA my fuckin ass.
Vent over.
If you ship via UPS Express you don't have to pay the typical UPS fees (it's included in the price of shipping). |
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| AuZZZie |
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Originally posted by TrevorK
If you ship via UPS Express you don't have to pay the typical UPS fees (it's included in the price of shipping).
yea true enough. But they also want $60 to ship a pen most the time. |
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| Replay |
You have some good taste lol M5's are beautiful/ I know when my parents were purchasing their new 08 benz. We told the salesman we might consider going to the states and purchasing one. He said you have to sign some paper does has some agreements. And if you have any questions regarding your car we won't help you have to talk to the dealer where you purchased the car from. They said they wont touch the car if its not inspected by us and has all the requirements for benz Canada and alberta. Also he said that to change the speedometer that you would have to change the main computer which can be costly. Dunno maybe the sales guy making bs :dunno:
Enjoy the M5 tho if you decide on purchasing it:) |
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| 95EagleAWD |
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Originally posted by Replay
And if you have any questions regarding your car we won't help you have to talk to the dealer where you purchased the car from.
I'd tell them to fuck right off right there. That's some pretty shitty business. |
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| Replay |
Also to add to that he said you might have to get it serviced their too
Haha I wish I could say that lol the salesman said Mercedes Benz policy is dealers advise that they serve customers within their area and tell customers to shop within their area.
Like one time I phone a Benz Calgary dealer and a salesman answered and right away he said " I see your from Edmonton what would you like make it quick".
Lol a nice way to treat a customer then I replied" Well do you have this car in stock"
He said "No that has a waiting list also we do not serve a customer like you living in Edmonton"
I got pissed and said "Can I please speak to a Manager who can actually help me ".
He answered "sure/ok"
My argument with the manager (maybe not a argument)
I told him "What kind of service is this your salesman treating me like crap"
He replies "Well I see Your from Edmonton we usually stick to our policy "dealers treat customers within their area"
Then for 15min he keeps talking about why I should buy the car and he checks if he has stock to make my mood happy
Well you get the point cant remember the conversation much it was a month ago. |
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| Driven |
| Car must be modified to meet Canadian specs by a Mercedes-Benz Canada dealer and certified that standards are met. Mercedes-Benz Canada then issues a Letter of Compliance, and the same 4 year/80,000 km warranty as Canadian market cars. There is no corrosion warranty and no extended warranty is available. |
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| GOT BOOST |
Replay,
Thanks for sharing that.
Myself I would have not tolerated that. I would have called directly to Mercedes H.O. and let them know exactly what car I was looking to purchase, how I was treated by their manager and salesman. I would have then made reference comparing their inferior dealership to a shady used car lot. :D
The M5 is a beautiful car. Again, just doing some research and planning. When the time comes to purchase I will be looking at the 2012 or 2010 models at the latest. I want a car I can bag, take to the track and not worry about something retarded breaking. :D ….That rules out my Supra. :lol:
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| Replay |
| Ya, was thinking about phoning the H.Q never got around to do it tho lol |
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| b18c5crx |
so if a can gets paid 10 dollars/hr that means that the usa equivalent is making 0/hr?
cool, i should move. |
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| Tech2 |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Myself I would have not tolerated that. I would have called directly to Mercedes H.O. and let them know exactly what car I was looking to purchase, how I was treated by their manager and salesman. I would have then made reference comparing their inferior dealership to a shady used car lot. :D
You'd have done it too. And I'd have loved reading the thread about it, with mercedes getting put in their place a la toyota dealerships. |
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| firestarter |
| I work for Norden Autohaus (vw/porsche) and we have plenty of cars coming up from the states that get oop'd but here is the kicker, some cars from the us have mph only speedo clusters, and that has to be swapped over to the kph cluster, I have had more than one customer very very upset when I tell them the cost of a cluster, one guy was so angry he swore at me, I played the overly nice card and riled him up even more just for my benefit, he went on and on about how he saved around $8500 on his v6 touareg then I explained the $1550 cost of the instrument cluster and the $750 core fee I had to charge him, he told me where to go and how to get there in a hurry, but he really had no choice! he cant get the core back due to the fact we cant send a different part # back to VW. he still saved money but in the end considering all fees, taxes, shipping, bs and time he spent he may have well just bought the car here! Some cars are uber cheap to buy used and bring up though! |
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| GOT BOOST |
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Originally posted by firestarter
I work for Norden Autohaus (vw/porsche) and we have plenty of cars coming up from the states that get oop'd but here is the kicker, some cars from the us have mph only speedo clusters, and that has to be swapped over to the kph cluster, I have had more than one customer very very upset when I tell them the cost of a cluster, one guy was so angry he swore at me, I played the overly nice card and riled him up even more just for my benefit, he went on and on about how he saved around $8500 on his v6 touareg then I explained the $1550 cost of the instrument cluster and the $750 core fee I had to charge him, he told me where to go and how to get there in a hurry, but he really had no choice! he cant get the core back due to the fact we cant send a different part # back to VW. he still saved money but in the end considering all fees, taxes, shipping, bs and time he spent he may have well just bought the car here! Some cars are uber cheap to buy used and bring up though!
Please provide proof that a speedometer must read in kph to pass an OOP.
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| Driven |
| Yea that doesn't make any sense... a cluster that has mph and km/hr is perfectly legal. I like how buddy complained about the bullshit 2 grand he had to pay.. when he still saved what 4-5 g's? |
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| newaccorddriver |
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Originally posted by Driven
Yea that doesn't make any sense... a cluster that has mph and km/hr is perfectly legal.
doesnt BMW clusters only display in mph OR kph and not both? maybe thats why?
i think theres probably another kicker to changing out the cluster cause your odometer is set to 0 from however many miles it had as well. doesnt look good on a carfax report |
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| Driven |
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Originally posted by newaccorddriver
doesnt BMW clusters only display in mph OR kph and not both? maybe thats why?
i think theres probably another kicker to changing out the cluster cause your odometer is set to 0 from however many miles it had as well. doesnt look good on a carfax report
New bmw's clusters come both in kph and mph.... perfectly legal.. from what i remember. The only time i've heard of changing clusters with bmw/mini products is with one mini that wouldn't take to programming.. rare case. |
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| C30AofDOOM |
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Originally posted by GOT BOOST
Please provide proof that a speedometer must read in kph to pass an OOP.
Mike
It doesn't.
But it does to pass a Federal Inspection with RIV. |
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| newaccorddriver |
quote:
Originally posted by Driven
New bmw's clusters come both in kph and mph.... perfectly legal.. from what i remember. The only time i've heard of changing clusters with bmw/mini products is with one mini that wouldn't take to programming.. rare case.
the one on my 3 series was only displayed in kph, and it was an 03.
what would programming have to do with the cluster anyways to a point where it might have to be changed? |
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| Driven |
quote:
Originally posted by newaccorddriver
the one on my 3 series was only displayed in kph, and it was an 03.
what would programming have to do with the cluster anyways to a point where it might have to be changed?
03 is not new is it? 5 years old now. I don't recall the exact situation.. it was quite a while ago. |
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| m3the01 |
Ive already done this with an 06 M3 SMG II.
Both the M3 and M5 have a simple dealer switch that can activate the daytime running lights. Make it part of the deal when u buy the car new in the states, very simple.
Secondly, $500 recall letter thats a joke. If its used just call up BMW north america and request the letter. I bought the M3 with like 200 miles on it, called up the dealer where it was originally bought and said i was looking at the specific car and wanted to verify it was bought there. The guy was nice and just pulled up the report and faxed it to me.
When i got it to canada, took it to canadian tire for riv inspection. All done!
Sold it about a month later for a quick profit, easy as that. |
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| VeeDub |
with respect to whether or not if the clusters needs to be replaced, i actually did some research a couple month ago...since i was interested in purchasing an 05 Audi A4 from the states. This is what i found out.
Most Euro Cars that has Both MPH and KPH on the clusters, are almost 100% available for reprogramming from MPH to KPH or vice versa.
Daytime running light can also be activated through special softwares for most newer BMW's and Audi/Volkswagan.
If you guys do a search on OBDii Softwares, you can actually find those cables can do hell of a lot of stuff.
As for those that doesnt want to do all the job all by themself and still want to save a some money, there are actually "agents" out there in edmonton that does it for you.
but as for me, i still want to look/feel/drive the car before i buy it, so i ended up buying one from Calgary for a similar price. |
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| cdot420 |
Now I'm not sure if this would apply to a Benz or B.M.W but i work for Cadillac and what we've been going through with imported Escalade's is pretty much the same. We were replacing clusters mainly for warranty purposes, keeping track of mileage in km as apposed to miles. But this is only applied to trucks made 06 or prior in the 07's the cluster can be entirely switched from metric to standard or vis versa, at the push of a button. As far as I knew it had nothing do due with passing out of province inspection. Maybe the person you were in touch with wasn't informed.
Something else anyone may want to note is that when purchasing a veh from the states brand new, in some cases,
the veh must have accumulated 15000km and also be in Canada for a period of time. I think it's 6 months. For warranty to even apply. Just food for thought.
I wish i had the green to even think about buying an m5. PROPS. |
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| firestarter |
quote:
Originally posted by Driven
Yea that doesn't make any sense... a cluster that has mph and km/hr is perfectly legal. I like how buddy complained about the bullshit 2 grand he had to pay.. when he still saved what 4-5 g's?
Touaregs come with only mph OR kph not both, with porsches the digital section can be programmed for kph which is fine, but to pass federal inspect it has to be in kph!! |
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| Driven |
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Originally posted by firestarter
Touaregs come with only mph OR kph not both, with porsches the digital section can be programmed for kph which is fine, but to pass federal inspect it has to be in kph!!
Ah ok.. that guy still saved himself a ton of money.. and was still bitching.. god stfu. Also have you ever seen a "federal inspection"
performed? I almost laughed myself to the grave. |
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| Eclipser |
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Originally posted by Driven
Ah ok.. that guy still saved himself a ton of money.. and was still bitching.. god stfu. Also have you ever seen a "federal inspection"
performed? I almost laughed myself to the grave.
Yup :)
*walks out to car* start you car for me.
I start car.
He looks at headlights
He looks through the window. (see's child safety hook on seat)
Ok, done. Lets go fax this shit off.
And canadian tire says they need about 6 hours to do the inspection. Trailmobile takes 5 minutes or less, and even fax the stuff off for me :) |
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